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100 Best Things to do in Singapore

by Jen Miller

https://www.jenreviews.com/best-things-singapore/

This tropical island located at the southernmost tip of peninsula Malaysia is a vibrant modern city-state.

The city brings its best in food, nature, heritage, and culture to punch well above its weight on the global tourist map.

  • 1. Visit the Gardens by the Bay Cloud Forest (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 2. Visit the Flower Dome at Gardens by the Bay (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 3. Night-time stroll across the Supertree Grove (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 4. Visit the National Orchid garden (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 5. Visit Jurong Bird Park (Jurong-Clementi)
  • 6. Visit the S.E.A aquarium at Marine Life Park (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 7. Visit the Singapore Zoo (Sembawang)
  • 8. Visit the River Safari (Holland-Bukit Panjang)
  • 9. Immerse in art at National Gallery Singapore (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 10. Trek through Southern Ridges (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 11. Gardener’s Day Out at Hort Park (Jurong-Clementi)
  • 12. Walk the Labrador Nature reserve (West Coast)
  • 13. Day out at Universal Studios Singapore (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 14. Take a spiritual journey into Buddha Tooth Relic Temple (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 15. Sungei Buloh Wetlands tour (Chua Chu Kang)
  • 16. Picnic at Marina Barrage Green Roof (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 17. Visit the National Museum of Singapore (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 18. Night-time dining at the Singapore Flyer (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 19. Swim at the top of the world at Marina Bay Infinity Pool (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 20. Afternoon Sailing at the Marina Reservoir (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 21. Visit the Southern Islands (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 22. Pulau Ubin Chek Jawa wetlands tour (Pasir Ris-Punggol)
  • 23. Get a bird’s eye view from a cable car (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 24. Wonder Full light show at Marina Bay Sands (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 25. Catch a night-time live performance at Esplanade Outdoor Theatre (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 26. Tour the Asian Civilisations Museum (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 27. Cycle along Eastern Coastal Park Connector Network (ECPCN) Cycling Trail (East Coast-Fengshan)
  • 28. Hike Bukit Timah Nature Reserve (Holland-Bukit Panjang)
  • 29. Ginger Garden trail at Singapore Botanic Gardens (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 30. Explore the Evolution Garden at Singapore Botanic Gardens (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 31. Colonial history trail at Fort Canning Park (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 32. Dive into Chinatown’s Pagoda Street (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 33. Sightseeing cruise along the Singapore River (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 34. Visit the Future World exhibit at Art Science Museum (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 35. Visit the Sun Yat Sen Nanyang Memorial Hall (Bishan-Toa Payoh)
  • 36. Visit Sultan mosque at Kampong Glam
  • 37. Tour the Peranakan Museum (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 38. Explore Little India’s Serangoon Road (Jalan Besar)
  • 39. Dive into Kampong Glam (Jalan Besar)
  • 40. Relive history at The Battle Box (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 41. Fullerton monument tour (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 42. Indoor Skydiving at IFly Singapore (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 43. Visit the Civilian War Memorial Park (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 44. Heritage trail along Ann Siang and Telok Ayer (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 45. Explore Haw Par Villa (Jurong-Clementi)
  • 46. Relive your childhood at MINT Museum of Toys (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 47. Get high with Tiger Sky Tower (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 48. Learn about organic farming at Bollywood Veggies (Chua Chu Kang)
  • 49. Discover a heartland gem – Shuang Lin Monastery (Bishan-Toa Payoh)
  • 50. Architectural tour of The Esplanade (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 51. Have a fun-filled day at MegaZip Adventure Park (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 52. Explore Fort Siloso (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 53. Visit the Singapore Philatelic Museum (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 54. Visit Singapore’s oldest Hokkien temple – Thian Hock Keng Temple (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 55. Day out at Gardens By the Bay East Garden (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 56. Experience the nightlife scene at Chijmes (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 57. Explore the Bohemian enclave Holland village at night (Holland-Bukit Panjang Town Council)
  • 58. Visit Nagore Durgha Shrine (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 59. Explore the Dragonfly and Kingfisher Lakes at Gardens by the Bay (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 60. Watch the exciting Formula One night race at the Marina Bay (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 61. Art sculpture tour at Gardens by the Bay (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 62. Explore the history of the overseas Chinese community at Chinese Heritage Centre (Jurong-Clementi Town Council)
  • 63. Shop along Orchard Road (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 64. Visit St Andrew’s Cathedral in the city (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 65. Visit Bukit Batok Town Park (Chua Chu Kang)
  • 66. Explore the world of art at Singapore Art museum (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 67. Food hunt at Maxwell Food centre (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 68. Pay your respects to wartime heroes at Kranji War Memorial (Chua Chu Kang)
  • 69. Science out at Singapore Science Centre (Jurong-Clementi)
  • 70 Visit the Kwan Im Thong Hood Cho Temple (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 71. Arts trail at Gardens by the Bay (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 72. Visit Sri Veeramakaliamman temple (Jalan Besar)
  • 73. Explore the Peranakan neighbourhood – Joo Chiat
  • 74. Sightseeing kayak expedition around Marina Reservoir (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 75. Hike through the “Venice of Punggol” – Punggol Waterway Park (Pasir Ris-Punggol)
  • 76. Visit Coney Island Park (Pasir Ris-Punggol)
  • 77. MacRitchie reservoir TreeTop walk (Bishan-Toa Payoh)
  • 78. Feast on Satay at Lau Pa Sat Satay Street (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 79. Catch the Wings of Time show at Siloso Beach (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 80. Explore Bugis Village (Jalan Besar)
  • 81. Go surfing at Wave House Sentosa (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 82. Visit the Jurong Lake Gardens (Jurong-Clementi)
  • 83. Cycling at Ketam Mountain Bike Park at Pulau Ubin (Pasir Ris-Punggol)
  • 84. Watch Teochew opera at Pulau Ubin (Pasir Ris-Punggol)
  • 85. Chill out at Lantern Rooftop bar at Fullerton Bay Hotel (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 86. Evening out at Clarke Quay (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 87. Tour the Singapore Sports Hub (Jalan Besar)
  • 88. Go up to the Sentosa Merlion (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 89. Day out at Palawan Beach (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 90. Walk along the Changi Point Coastal Walk (Pasir Ris-Punggol)
  • 91. Visit the skybridge at The Pinnacle@Duxton (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 92. Visit the Raffles Hotel (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 93. Explore Singapore Changi Airport (Pasir Ris-Punggol)
  • 94. Sampan ride at Marina Bay Sands (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 95. Food hunt at Makansutra’s Gluttons Bay (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 96. Camping at Changi Beach Park (Pasir Ris-Punggol)
  • 97. Catch a live performance at Victoria Theatre Concert Hall (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 98. Waterfront promenade walk at Marina Bay (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 99. Watch the Singapore Symphony Orchestra Classics in the Park (Tanjong Pagar)
  • 100. Catch the sunrise at Merlion Park (Tanjong Pagar)


Claremont serial killings: Bradley Robert Edwards faces court over Sarah Spiers murder

By Joanna Menagh  

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-28/bradley-robert-edwards-in-court-over-claremont-serial-killings/9486810

The man accused of the Claremont serial killings has made his first court appearance since being charged with murdering teenager Sarah Spiers, who vanished more than 22 years ago.

Bradley Robert Edwards, 49, was already facing murder charges over the deaths of 23-year-old Jane Rimmer and 27-year-old Ciara Glennon, who disappeared in 1996 and 1997 in similar circumstances to Ms Spiers.

All three women had been on a night out in Claremont's popular entertainment strip when they disappeared after leaving friends.

Ms Rimmer's and Ms Glennon's bodies were found in the weeks after they were reported missing, but 18-year-old Ms Spiers's body has never been located.

Mr Edwards was charged with the murders of Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon in December 2016, but he was only charged with Ms Spiers's murder last week.

 

The Claremont serial killings



Three young Perth women disappeared in the mid-1990s. Two decades later, a man faces court.

Mr Edwards was charged with the murders of Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon in December 2016, but he was only charged with Ms Spiers's murder last week

Victims' fathers in packed court

He appeared in Stirling Gardens Magistrates Court today via video link from Hakea Prison, with the charge of murdering Ms Spiers officially read out to him.

Mr Edwards was not required to enter a plea and was remanded in custody with his case adjourned until July.


PHOTO: Bradley Robert Edwards (inset) has been charged with the murder of Sarah Spiers. (Supplied)

His lawyer, Genevieve Cleary, said her client had initially intended for his case to be committed to the WA Supreme Court today, but the new charge laid last week of murdering Ms Spiers meant an adjournment was necessary.

The court heard the delay will also allow the prosecution to disclose all the material in the case, which prosecutor Carmel Barbagallo said ran in excess of 1.5 million documents.

Mr Edwards showed no emotion during the appearance as Ms Spiers's father, Don Spiers, and Denis Glennon, the father of Ms Glennon, watched on in a packed public gallery at the court.

 

Don Spiers walks out of court with a police officer accompanying him.

PHOTO: Sarah Spiers' father Don Spiers did not speak to the media as he left the Supreme Court. (ABC News: Rebecca Trigger)

Neither made any comment as they left the court accompanied by detectives.

Ms Cleary would not comment on her client's state of mind, nor could she give any indication of how long the case would take.

"I really don't know until we get on top of what's been provided by the State," Ms Cleary said outside court.

"It's extraordinarily different to other cases.

"A million and a half pages would strike fear into the heart of any lawyer I think, but it is what it is and it's an exceptional case and that's to be expected."

Denis walks out of the court, looking sombre.


PHOTO: Ciara Glennon's father Denis Glennon was escorted into and out of court by detectives, and also declined to speak to the media. (ABC News: Rebecca Trigger)

A 'traumatic' 22 years

Claremont serial killings: Bradley Robert Edwards faces court over Sarah Spiers murder

The man accused of the Claremont serial killings has made his first court appearance since being charged with murdering teenager Sarah Spiers, who vanished more than 22 years ago.
The man accused of the Claremont serial killings has made his first court appearance since being charged with murdering teenager Sarah Spiers, who vanished more than 22 years ago.


PHOTO: Bradley Robert Edwards, the man charged by police investigating the Claremont serial killings. (Facebook: KLAC)

A 'traumatic' 22 years

Jane Rimmer's sister, Lee Rimmer, said outside court that the wait for justice had been very difficult for the family.

"But you have to learn to live in the moment and Jane wouldn't want me being upset all the time," she said,

She said her sister's positive personality was a lasting memory of her.

"[She was] just a fun-loving girl that loved everyone and treated everyone with respect," she said.

Murder, sex assault charges

In addition to being charged with killing Ms Spiers, Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon, Mr Edwards was also charged 14 months ago over two sex attacks which pre-dated the alleged murders.

The first relates to the indecent assault of a woman in her Huntingdale home in February 1988, while the second involves an allegation he forced a 17-year-old girl into a car as she walked along Gugeri Street in Claremont in 1995.

Mr Edwards is accused of taking the teenager to Karrakatta cemetery and sexually assaulting her.

That alleged crime happened just 11 months before Ms Spiers disappeared in the early hours of January 27, 1996.


PHOTO: Sarah Spiers, Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer all vanished in the space of 14 months. (Supplied: Fairfax Media)

Topics: murder-and-manslaughtercourts-and-trialslaw-crime-and-justiceclaremont-6010perth-6000wa

 

Claremont serial killings: Sarah Spiers murder charge for Bradley Robert Edwards



22 Feb 2018,

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/bradley-edwards-charged-with-sarah-spiers-murder/9475258

Police have charged a man with the wilful murder of Sarah Spiers, a victim of the so-called Claremont serial killings in the 1990s.

Bradley Robert Edwards, 49, who had previously been charged with the murders of Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer, was on Thursday charged with Ms Spiers' murder.

The 18-year-old's body has never been found.

WA Police commissioner Chris Dawson said it was a "significant development" but he could not comment further.

Ms Spiers was one of three women to disappear in Claremont between January 1996 and March 1997 in a spate of crimes that came to be known as the Claremont serial killings.

Headshot of Sarah Spiers.



Sarah Spiers disappeared in 1996. (Supplied: Fairfax Media)

She went missing after a night out in Claremont on January 26, 1996.

The teenager had been out celebrating Australia Day and was last seen after leaving the Club Bayview nightclub in the early hours of the next morning.

She called a taxi to take her home, but when it arrived, she was nowhere to be seen.

"This development follows extensive inquiries by the Macro investigation team within the cold case homicide squad," Commissioner Dawson said.

A side-on head and shoulders shot of Bradley Robert Edwards.


 Bradley Robert Edwards has now been charged with the murder of all three Claremont victims.

'Traumatic time' for Spiers family

He said Ms Spiers's family had been kept informed.

"This is a very traumatic time for the Spiers family, so I urge the media to please respect their privacy and do not attempt to contact them," he said.

"Sarah Spiers's family has expressly told the WA Police Force that they do not wish to make any comment about today's development."

He appealed for people to refrain from posting comments about the case on social media, warning those who did so could be liable for prosecution.

A composite image of Sarah Spiers, Ciara Glennon, and Jane Rimmer.


PHOTO: Sarah Spiers, Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer all disappeared from Claremont in the 1990s. (ABC News)

Ms Rimmer vanished from the same Perth nightspot in June 1996 and her body was found in bushland near Wellard, south of Perth, two months later.

Ms Glennon disappeared from Claremont the following March and her body was found in scrub in Eglington, a northern suburb of Perth, a month later.

Police subsequently confirmed they were looking for a serial killer.

They made a breakthrough in the investigation in 2016 when Mr Edwards was arrested and charged with the abduction and murder of Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon.

Last month police called for public help to identify a car linked to Ms Spiers' disappearance, and on Thursday Commissioner Dawson said they were still seeking information in relation to it.


A close-up shot of a white 1992 Toyota Camry Station Wagon with its number plate blurred.


PHOTO: Police want to track down a white 1992 Toyota Camry station wagon similar to the one pictured. (Supplied: WA Police)

The car is a 1992 white Toyota Camry station wagon with the vehicle identification number (VIN) of 6T172SV2109318479.

The vehicle was deregistered a decade ago.

Edwards will appear in court next Wednesday charged over the three murders.

Topics: law-crime-and-justice, wa

 

Police say car linked to Sarah Spiers in Claremont serial killer cold case murder probe

By Graeme Powell  

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-01/police-issue-car-appeal-in-sarah-spiers-cold-case-murder-probe/9382290


 Sarah Spiers disappeared after a night out in Claremont in January 1996. (Supplied: Fairfax Media)

Police investigating the disappearance of Sarah Spiers from Claremont in Perth in 1996 have appealed for the public's help to find a car of interest.

Ms Spiers was 18 when she disappeared after a night out with friends.

Police believe she was abducted and murdered, but her body has never been found.

Cold case homicide detectives want to find a 1992 white Toyota Camry station wagon with the vehicle identification number (VIN) of 6T172SV2109318479.

The vehicle was deregistered a decade ago.

Detective Superintendent Rod Wilde said it was still possible the car could help the investigation despite the significant passage of time.


PHOTO: Police want to track down a white 1992 Toyota Camry station wagon similar to the one pictured. (Supplied: WA Police)

"It is a new line of inquiry we'd like to finalise," he said.

"We are aware this car was deregistered in 2008, but from that time onwards it is unclear what happened to it.

"It may have been wrecked or abandoned, or could still be in use on a rural property."

Ms Spiers' family has released a statement calling for anyone who knew anything about the car to come forward.

"We have been kept informed by the police on the status of the investigation," her father Don Spiers said.

"We do not want to comment publicly about today's appeal, apart from urging anyone who knows anything about this car, or where it might be, to please contact the police."

Killings that terrified Perth

Ms Spiers was one of three women to disappear in Claremont between January 1996 and March 1997 in a spate of crimes that came to be known as the Claremont serial killings.


 Sarah Spiers, Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer all disappeared from Claremont in the 1990s. (ABC News)

Jane Rimmer vanished from the same Perth nightspot in June 1996 and her body was found in bushland near Wellard, south of Perth, two months later.

Ciara Glennon then disappeared from Claremont in March 1997 and her body was found in scrub in Eglington, a northern suburb of Perth, a month later.

Police subsequently confirmed they were looking for a serial killer stalking the streets around Claremont.

They made a breakthrough in the Claremont serial killings investigation in 2016 when Bradley Robert Edwards was arrested and charged with the abduction and murder of Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon.

The media release today made no mention of Mr Edwards and he has not been connected with, nor charged over, the disappearance of Ms Spiers.

He is due to next face court on February 28 where he is expected to enter a plea.

Topics: murder-and-manslaughtercrimepoliceperth-6000claremont-6010wa

 

Victims' fathers in packed court

He appeared in Stirling Gardens Magistrates Court today via video link from Hakea Prison, with the charge of murdering Ms Spiers officially read out to him.

Mr Edwards was not required to enter a plea and was remanded in custody with his case adjourned until July.

His lawyer, Genevieve Cleary, said her client had initially intended for his case to be committed to the WA Supreme Court today, but the new charge laid last week of murdering Ms Spiers meant an adjournment was necessary.

The court heard the delay will also allow the prosecution to disclose all the material in the case, which prosecutor Carmel Barbagallo said ran in excess of 1.5 million documents.

Mr Edwards showed no emotion during the appearance as Ms Spiers's father, Don Spiers, and Denis Glennon, the father of Ms Glennon, watched on in a packed public gallery at the court.

Neither made any comment as they left the court accompanied by detectives.

Ms Cleary would not comment on her client's state of mind, nor could she give any indication of how long the case would take.

"I really don't know until we get on top of what's been provided by the State," Ms Cleary said outside court.

"It's extraordinarily different to other cases.

"A million and a half pages would strike fear into the heart of any lawyer I think, but it is what it is and it's an exceptional case and that's to be expected."



Claremont review police feel public pressure

FRI NOV 05,  2004

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2004-11-05/claremont-review-police-feel-public-pressure/580038


A detective appointed to review one of Western Australia's biggest murder investigations admits he is feeling pressure to achieve results.

A four-person panel will look at the evidence of the eight-year-old Claremont serial killer investigation to determine what course it should take.

The Macro Task Force was formed after Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon disappeared from the centre of Claremont in 1996 and 1997.

This year the former police commissioner Barry Matthews ordered an independent assessment of the case in the hope of making a breakthrough.

Detective Inspector Russell Oxford, from New South Wales Police, says it is very difficult to predict the outcome of the review.

"I think there'll be a lot of pressure on us, I think there'll be a lot of expectations and I just hope we can acquit ourselves," he said.'

The panel, which consists of detectives from the United States and other parts of Australia, arrives in Perth next week and will spend a month on the case.







  The Ones That Got Away -

 Exploring accusations of police corruption in Western Australia.


                                                                       http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/s160338.htm
                                               
                                                  WARNING: The language used in sections of this transcript may offend some people.



STEPHEN McDONELL: The beneficiary of this accusation and counteraccusation is organised crime. Western Australia has seen failed prosecutions, the mysterious death of a star witness in a drug trial and a high-tech police operation called off without notice. Tonight, Four Corners goes to the dark parts of Perth where police and criminals go and where corruption seems to be prosecuted selectively.

STEPHEN McDONELL: There's a side to Western Australia not often talked about, a side of life not bound up in sun and sailing. Western Australia has thousands of kilometres of largely unwatched coastline. Facing out and up to Asia, it's the ideal back door for drug importation, like ecstasy, amphetamines and heroin. Western Australia's remote cattle stations are used to establish considerable marijuana crops. This has attracted sophisticated growers from the east. Then there's the capital, Perth. Its burgeoning population has provided a growing demand for hard drugs. Slowly, and without the rest of the nation noticing, organised crime has been moving into Western Australia.


STEPHEN McDONELL: The officers involved in Red Emperor may or may not have acted improperly, but they say they want a Royal Commission to scrutinise the whole affair. Meanwhile, one interested party must be finding quite some amusement in all of this.

JOHN KIZON, NOVEMBER 1999: There's corruption in senior ranks in the police department and has been for years. They've just moved them sideways. It's an absolute disgrace. You've got the public that sit at home and believe that --  There is some honest coppers. And I do respect honest police officers. Your normal police officer that does his job, goes home, and is by the book, I respect him. But in this State, without a Royal Commission, it's a complete disgrace, let me tell you.

STEPHEN McDONELL: How do you feel at the end of all this? You've spent many years working on this operation. What are you left with at the end?

UNDERCOVER OFFICER: A sense of waste. A sense of dismay that it could've come to that. A sense of questioning about the motives of the people who shut it down. Most of all, I guess, I'm concerned that the syndicate is now stronger than it was before.


STEPHEN McDONELL: The officers from Red Emperor were forced to hand over their documents to the ACC. But before the corruption commission finished its investigation into Cull and Coombs, the top brass acted. 

In November 1997, Deputy Commissioner Bruce Brennan issued an official order that Red Emperor be closed immediately. In a confidential memo, he said that any future investigations into the operation's primary target, John Kizon, would have to be cleared by him personally.
 What did you think when you first heard they were going to shut down Red Emperor?

It's crucial to this investigation whether Turton is to be believed in what she will tell the Commission, as follows; she will tell the Commission that she is sure that the bag at that point contained bundles of $50 notes and $100 notes. 
That is, as is probably obvious, an extremely important part of the evidence. 

If Turton is to be believed on that point, it directly implicates the police because at that point, the money is in police custody, according to Turton contains $50 and $100 notes, yet as I'll explain in a moment, when that money was booked into the exhibits officer, Mr Williams, and photographed by Officer Diviney there was not a solitary $50 note or $100 in the amount seized.

Detectives Nesbitt and Cave arrived after the searches had been completed.
They were asked to convey Debnam and Turton to Curtin House, which they did. I should add that the search of unit 22 by Detectives Keays, Stjepic and Etherton did not locate anything of significance.
Following the search, Detectives Potter and (...name suppressed...) left together and they returned to Curtin House, leaving Detective Thompson at unit 5 to await the arrival of a forensic officer to take photographs.
Detective Etherton also remained behind with Thompson during this time.

MR PETTIT: - - - observed to attend, but that search, of course, did not turn up anything further of significance. The possibilities are, of course, that Detectives Potter and (...name suppressed...) conducted that search more in hope than in expectation. It's possible that there were other reasons for the search as well. 


STEPHEN McDONELL: But an infiltration going the other way was about to expose serious police corruption. It begins with a police sting involving a man named Andrew Petrelis.
There are no public photos of Petrelis but he grew up in a well-off family.
He was drawn into the Northbridge scene, becoming a heroin user, and he got work as a driver for John Kizon's old girlfriend.
According to police, in the early '90s, Petrelis started doing some jobs around Northbridge. He was told to go to Perth's Kings Park and dig up a couple of bags buried there.
 He then took the bags, which contained cannabis, to this self-storage unit and padlocked the door.
 The storage centre owners became suspicious when they saw the padlock on a unit they thought was empty.
They broke in, found $150,000 worth of drugs and called the police.

DET SGT PETER COOMBS: We, through the early part of that investigation, established that the person who rented that storage was Petrelis.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Andrew Petrelis was then offered immunity from prosecution if he'd roll over and give evidence against his alleged criminal bosses.
 He agreed and became a protected witness. Back at the storage centre, police had already set a trap using surveillance.

DET SGT PETER COOMBS: That's when I came up with an idea that we'll substitute it with grass clippings.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Coombs swapped the cannabis for lawn clippings, installed a secret camera and waited to see who would turn up.
On 22 November, 1994, a close friend of Mr Kizon named Michael Rippingale was captured picking up the bags which now contained a different sort of grass. The court was later told that when Mr Rippingale to his horror discovered the lawn clippings, he immediately rang John Kizon.
A series of conversations between the men were captured by police phone taps and a bugged car.

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE, FRIEND OF JOHN KIZON, (Re-enactment of police transcript): Do you want to meet me somewhere?

JOHN KIZON: Why? What's wrong?

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Oh, something.

JOHN KIZON: You all right?

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Yeah, oh, no, not really -- not really.

JOHN KIZON: Have the coppers got you?

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: No, no. Something else.

STEPHEN McDONELL: The secret recordings seemed to indicate that John was angry that something valuable was missing.

JOHN KIZON (25 minutes later, meeting in car): Hey, Rip, he probably never put it in there in the first place. You understand what I mean? That cunt.

DET SGT PETER COOMBS: They thought Petrelis had ripped them off the cannabis and put grass clippings in -- and not the police.

STEPHEN McDONELL: And so how were they going to respond to that?
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: They responded in a very violent manner in their conversations with themselves on what they intended to do to Petrelis.

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: (Later that night, telephone transcript): Cunt.

JOHN KIZON: Little arse.

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Oh.

JOHN KIZON: And when you said yeah, he's a little cunt.

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Yeah.

JOHN KIZON: I'm gonna wring his fucking neck.

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Yeah, alright.

JOHN KIZON: Alright, buddy.

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: See ya.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Police phone intercepts show that John Kizon and Michael Rippingale looked for Andrew Petrelis without luck for days. Armed with the phone taps, police charged both Michael Rippingale and John Kizon with conspiracy to supply cannabis. This time, they thought they had the big fish.

JOHN KIZON, 1999: I've only been charged in this offence because I've stayed close to a friend of mine. There is no substance to this charge at all. It's just a slur on my name and it's a personal attack on myself.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Police promised their star witness, Andrew Petrelis, that he'd be protected with a new identity. He moved to Queensland and in the quiet town of Caloundra, planned to get his pilot's licence. When he didn't turn up for his flying lesson one day, local police went around to his flat. They found Andrew Petrelis dead. He was naked and lying hunched over with a CD playing on repeat. The door was locked from the inside and Queensland police said it was a heroin overdose. Yet there was no tourniquet and no spoon. He was right-handed but the injection was into his right arm and this arm was twisted up and around. Official cause of death -- opiate toxicity. Andrew Petrelis was to give evidence against John Kizon and Michael Rippingale in a month. How much of a blow to the prosecution was the lack of the Petrelis evidence?

ROBERT COCK: I think it was a serious blow.
I think the case would have been stronger with his evidence.

DET SGT PETER COOMBS: His evidence, in my opinion, was critical in the conviction of one, if not both, of the accused people.

STEPHEN McDONELL: A jury acquitted John Kizon and Michael Rippingale of the drug charges.

MICHAEL RIPPINGALE, NOVEMBER 1999 (Outside court): Yeah, I'm just happy it's all over now. And this has been going for five years. I can get on with my life. Work the rest out for yourself.

JOHN KIZON, NOVEMBER 1999 (Outside court): I'm pleased for myself but what I'm not pleased about is they spent $1 million to $1.5 million on me.
There's kids in the children's hospital that don't have facilities. There's old people that are being thrown out of their homes in the suburbs because this Government has a personal vendetta against me.

STEPHEN McDONELL: John Kizon had an alibi over the weekend of Andrew Petrelis's death. He checked himself into hospital, complaining of heart problems, and was soon discharged. Andrew Petrelis's death remains a mystery. There was no inquest. We don't know whether it was the result of an overdose or a hot shot from an enemy. But his death opens the doorway to a dark cave of police corruption because before Mr Petrelis had even gone to Queensland, his new secret identity was already blown. And it was blown by the police. This man, Constable Kevin Davy, made an unauthorised access of the police database in May 1995. He found Andrew Petrelis's new identity -- Andrew Parker. The new identity had only just been given out. Davy's excuse for looking this up on the computer was that he's an Elvis fan and he was looking for the name of Elvis's famous manager Colonel Tom Parker. He says he found Petrelis's new identity by mistake. What Kevin Davy did with the information is unknown. But Four Corners has been able to establish that another officer, Sergeant Murray Shadgett, also accessed Petrelis's new identity on the police mainframe. He passed the information on to known criminals. They allegedly provided Shadgett with a car-registration number and he matched it with the name Andrew Parker, Petrelis's new identity. Because Shadgett was speaking to suspected members of the Kizon syndicate, their phones were bugged and Peter Coombs heard the conversations.

DET SGT PETER COOMBS: The fact is, um -- known crooks asked a police officer to obtain information off the police mainframe.

STEPHEN McDONELL: And these were known criminals?

DET SGT PETER COOMBS: That's a criminal offence There's no, uh -- no beg your pardons, in my opinion.It is, um -- an inexcusable.

STEPHEN McDONELL: These criminals who received information from the police mainframe computer, from police -- were they linked to the main criminal syndicate being targeted by you?

DET SGT PETER COOMBS: Yes.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Significant members of the group?

DET SGT PETER COOMBS: Yes.

CHRIS CULL, OPERATIONS MANAGER, RED EMPEROR: And those criminals are involved in the organised crime group in Western Australia.

STEPHEN McDONELL: So there's little doubt that these senior level criminals were trying to find out about Andrew Petrelis?

CHRIS CULL: Absolutely. Everything they could.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Inspector Chris Cull was another officer on Red Emperor.

Could it mean, then, that these high-level Western Australian criminals still have spies, allies in the West Australian police?

CHRIS CULL: Yes.

STEPHEN McDONELL: It's unclear if Andrew Petrelis's death was related to the security breaches. But the West Australian witness protection program has been hopelessly compromised. As for those who looked up Petrelis's details, Constable Davy resigned for giving out other classified information. Red Emperor officers told Internal Affairs about Sergeant Shadgett who'd been recorded talking to their criminal targets. Nothing happened. He's now very sick from diabetes and has just resigned. Both officers refused to speak to Four Corners. For three months, Andrew Petrelis lived in Queensland. Though police knew his identity was compromised, they made no attempt to give him a new one. After the blow of losing Andrew Petrelis, Red Emperor went on. The operation uncovered more police corruption.

INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, RED EMPEROR: What we found was driver's licences in false names in the hands of members of the syndicate under investigation.

STEPHEN McDONELL: And you believe police had given these driver's licences to the criminals?

INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: Inquiries confirmed that they were issued by police officers to persons unknown but ended up in the hands of members of our syndicate, under investigation.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Why is it useful to have a false driver's licence?

INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: You can open bank accounts, you can obtain property under false names.
There are many things you can do with a fake identification.

STEPHEN McDONELL: As Red Emperor continued, its key undercover officer gained access to senior levels of John Kizon's alleged syndicate.

UNDERCOVER OFFICER: Like, you spend hours and hours out on the piss with these lunatics.
Bored out of your brain most of the time because all you're doing is talking absolute shit.
That's really what it comes down to.

CHRIS CULL: He lived with them, drank with them, was right in with them, the whole way.

UNDERCOVER OFFICER: Someone will tell you half a bit of information about it.

You know, something that might be worth rolling over or, you know, plans to make a shitload of eccies or something like that.
So you start talking about presses and who can steal chemicals, then nothing happens with it.
Every now and then, something does.
 That's the whole point
. But you also sit there and you try and work out who's who in the zoo.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Many Red Emperor detectives were close to criminal sources. Although the officers were uncovering police corruption they also came under suspicion themselves, in a grey world of favours, secret meetings and informants.

BOB FALCONER, POLICE COMMISSIONER, 1994-1999: And informers -- guess who they are.  It won't be the archbishop or the local brain surgeon. They're invariably the sorts of people who are deeply involved in crime, and they're cunning and they're clever and they're dangerous, but they can be useful.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Sometimes it's not clear where undercover work ends and crime begins. Police start turning a blind eye to small crimes in return for information. Criminals use police to attack their underworld rivals. But Chris Cull says, "In organised crime, 99 per cent of successes come from informants."

CHRIS CULL: Manipulate the informant. Work on his desires and his motivations. You know, build him up when he's down. Pretend to be a friend to him, so that you can move him toward a position where he feels some comfort with you, and he'll tell you what's going on. 'Cause he's putting his neck on the line. There's also a very good saying in the police in West Australia, and I'm sure it's the world over, that today's informant is tomorrow's target.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Into this mix of police, criminals and those in between, came Western Australia's Anti-Corruption Commission or ACC. It was set-up in 1997 following the Police Royal Commission in NSW.
ACC Chairman, Terry O'Connor, quickly became suspicious of police-informant relationships.

TERRY O'CONNOR, CHAIRMAN, ANTI-CORRUPTION COMMISSION: I suppose you've got to expect that there's always going to be some bad eggs in the barrel. There is in every human barrel. But we would say that there are more bad eggs in the West Australian Police Service barrel than one might expect.

STEPHEN McDONELL: What sort of things are these bad eggs doing?

TERRY O'CONNOR: Well, we see, um -- we have some evidence to support the view that they're engaged in stealing -- stealing money, stealing drugs. Um -- selling drugs, stealing property. Um -- those sorts of things.

STEPHEN McDONELL: It wasn't long before the ACC itself became the subject of controversy. It's an ultra-secretive body. There are no public hearings, there's no cross-examining of witnesses by the accused and the law even prohibits anyone mentioning publicly that the commission is examining a matter. The ACC works closely with police Internal Affairs. Keen to prove its mettle from the outset, the ACC went after the detectives -- including some from Red Emperor with active informants. From this point, the investigation of police in the West becomes a bewildering world of claim and counter-claim. Chris Cull was accused of having an improper relationship with a major heroin dealer and disclosing confidential information to him. Mr Cull says he was trying to save the man's life.

TERRY O'CONNOR: What Cull had done was that he had gone to a major heroin dealer (Pau Massari) to, as he describes it, to provide him information that his life or well-being was under some threat. He said that he had the authority of a senior officer but not his senior officer. He had subsequent meetings with that heroin dealer. He says he was offered money by the heroin dealer which he refused. He made no report of being offered money and appears not to have contemplated charging him with bribery or something like that.
CHRIS CULL: We analysed the situation and saw that the possible target of an abduction and a beating and possibly even worse.

STEPHEN McDONELL: What do you mean by worse?

CHRIS CULL: Torture. Possibly deathPossibly murder.

STEPHEN McDONELL: And who was to be the target of this?

CHRIS CULL: The person that the ACC alleged I had a relationship with (Francesco La Rosa who worked with well known drug dealer Paul Massari who stated in District Court in Western Australia that he worked with the polcie as his partners)
STEPHEN McDONELL: To confuse things, Chris Cull's story has changed. Originally, he said the meeting to warn the man was near the dealer's home with just him and the dealer present. Now Mr Cull claims the meeting took place in a superintendent's office and that this senior officer was present as well. What would you say to critics, I suppose -- especially the ACC -- might say to you, well, why should we believe you if you can't even remember where this crucial meeting took place?
CHRIS CULL: Oh, I can remember the second occasion.
STEPHEN McDONELL: No, the first one though.

CHRIS CULL: Um, well, I don't know. I mean, we're only human beings. We aren't super computers -- 

STEPHEN McDONELL: It's a big difference between meeting him near his house and meeting him in a police building, isn't it?
CHRIS CULL: Yeah.

No, I mean, I -- often we go through this process and I don't remember everything that has gone on. You only remember key issues of matters.
STEPHEN McDONELL: The Anti-Corruption Commission and Internal Affairs also turned their attention to the head of Red Emperor, Peter Coombs.
Internal Affairs prepared a damning report into Sergeant Coombs which was tabled in Parliament. The allegations against him flowed from the 1994 raid on the home of heroin dealer, Francesco La Rosa. During the raid, Coombs and two other officers found cannabis and drug charges would be laid But when a safe was opened, police found inside a pistol, a silencer and 59 rounds of ammunition. The police took the weapon but never charged La Rosa with anything relating to the gun.

DET SGT PETER COOMBS: He was to be charged on that day.He wasn't. And then when it came to light a few months down the track -- after some information was obtained -- he was sanctioned by our superiors for him not to be charged.

STEPHEN McDONELL: Former deputy 

STEPHEN McDONELL: The fight against organised crime in Western Australia has all the appearances of being a shambles. Detectives, criminals and government watchdogs can agree on only one fact -- there is corruption in the police service.

TERRY O'CONNOR, CHAIRMAN, ANTI-CORRUPTION COMMISSION: I suppose you've got to expect that there's always going to be some bad eggs in the barrel. We would say that there are more bad eggs in the Western Australian Police Service barrel than one might expect.

STEPHEN McDONELL: The trouble is nobody can agree on who the corrupt officers are or what constitutes corruption.

LES AYTON, DEPUTY POLICE COMMISSIONER, 1994-1996: There is no way you can effectively catch criminals by sticking strictly to the letter of the law. Good detectives have to take the law to the knife's edge.

BOB FALCONER, POLICE COMMISSIONER, 1994-1999: If you're skilled in detecting and presenting evidence, well, clearly, if you want to turn to the dark side of the force -- to use an Americanism -- then you can easily use those same skills and knowledge as a countermeasure.



Liam Bartlett: WA’s unsolved murders — is there a major issue with Major Crime?

LIAM BARTLETT, PerthNow

June 13, 2015 

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WHEN a senior policeman in charge of the Major Crime division of a large capital city is removed from his “current role” and forced to relinquish the cases he’s overseeing, it is not a small problem.

When another four of his colleagues are also told to take a seat in the corner, and “stood aside” from their criminal investigations, one gets the impression something is seriously amiss.

For the general public, these actions have little impact – and perhaps that’s why the WA Police hierarchy can escape the blowtorch with such little attention. However, if you happen to be one of the unlucky few who are depending on the work of Major Crime to resolve the fate of their loved ones, it is a severe setback, bordering on disastrous.

One such case is the unexplained death of Raymond Kehlet and the disappearance of his wife, Jennie. The couple were reported missing on March 30 after rangers from Sandstone in the Goldfields went to their campsite and found it intact but deserted. Raymond’s body was discovered nine days later in a mineshaft but there has been no trace of Jennie.

This column has previously explored aspects of the tragedy, which seem implausible in light of the facts and inconsistent with what’s known about the pair’s close relationship. But police were adamant the scenario was more mundane. As Detective Superintendent Anthony Lee insisted: “We are not seeing anything that suggests criminality.”

 LIAM BARTLETT: Kehlet’s outback vanishing act just doesn’t make sense

As head of Major Crime, he was running the investigation – up until two weeks ago. That’s when he was “stood aside” with four other officers, at least two of whom were working on the Kehlet case.

Missing prospecting couple Jennie and Raymond Kehlet. 

The reason for the shuffling of deckchairs was the result of an internal investigation into their conduct during a 2010 murder case in Broome. Josh Warneke, 21, was killed while walking home from a nightclub. A Kimberley man, Gene Gibson, faced a charge of murder but it had to be downgraded to manslaughter after a Supreme Court judge found police bungled the case. Gibson was denied basic legal rights such as use of an interpreter and his admissions were not voluntary. Mr Warneke’s mum, Ingrid Bishop, said: “At least two or three officers should depart the services of WAPOL.”

But Commissioner Karl O’Callaghan concluded Lee and four others can effectively twiddle their thumbs while he decides what “further action” be taken against them and he lined up five others for “managerial action”. That left the Kehlet case without a rudder and Jennie Kehlet’s adult children with very little confidence in how police had been handling the investigation. Indeed, their father, Jim Keegans, only learnt this week that Supt Lee had been removed and another detective assigned the case. That was only after multiple phone calls to inquire about what was being done.

Mind you, he was a long way from shocked, having already discovered a sense of urgency is not a commodity Major Crime seems to value highly. He had gone to Sandstone when his former wife was first reported missing and helped to pack up the campsite, collecting Jennie’s personal belongings, including hairbrush and toiletries, in a box. He offered these to detectives for potential DNA samples but nobody was particularly interested.

Weeks later, about May 1, he visited Major Crime and offered the box, which was casually sorted by an officer, who then told him to take it home. It wasn’t until May 14 that a forensic team was sent to his home and clinically tested samples and took photographs of the box’s contents.

A similar approach appears to have been taken with the last person known to have seen either Raymond or Jennie alive. It turns out he was the primary reason the couple were at Sandstone. Not only did he introduce them to prospecting but was also teaching them how to abseil. In fact, when Supt Lee appeared at a press conference to mark the announcement of a second search for the Kehlets he also launched a public appeal for information leading to a number of pieces of prospecting equipment that Jennie was believed to have “discarded”.

What he failed to say was the gear, including a metal detector, did not belong to Raymond or Jennie but was the property of the man who had been camping with them prior to the tragedy. Despite the public appeal, the equipment has not been found.

While there is no suggestion he is a suspect, the Kehlets’ friend is yet to talk publicly. And the police are yet to convince the family that the investigation is not a shambles.

Iveta Mitchell, pictured with her mum Dobra, before she went missing in 2010

MAJOR DISASTER?

We know about the big ones they got wrong and there’s been a few – Button, Beamish, the Mickelbergs, Mallard, Rayney – but what about the cases Major Crime have never had a chance to get right?

Why do the “cold cases” present so much of a mental block for WA Police? Is there a crisis of confidence in Major Crime, which should be a worry for us all, or is the reluctance to be open and accountable just part of an outdated paramilitary culture that has them trapped in a 1960s mentality?

A case in point is the disappearance of Iveta Mitchell. The mother-of-three vanished on May 2, 2010, after a roaring argument with her husband, Chad. He later named himself as the prime suspect, saying detectives had told him he was in the frame. Five years on, the case has gone nowhere.

Iveta’s mother, Dobra, has never fully recovered from losing her daughter and believes that Major Crime’s efforts have been woeful.

If the experience of this columnist is any indication, I can sympathise with her frustration. In March this year I approached police with an offer of statewide coverage and an interview to mark the fifth anniversary. It’s common practice around the globe in modern policing precincts to use anniversaries as a tool, through the use of re-enactment, to jog someone’s memory and hopefully prompt new leads and information.

But, despite over two months’ preparation time, Major Crime were seemingly not interested in generating any new information that could help solve the crime.

Instead, they said this: “WA Police remain committed to the investigation into the disappearance and suspected homicide of Iveta Mitchell. The investigation is ongoing and as such WA Police are not in a position to comment further.”

So, we learn by default they believe she was murdered but don’t want to attract public attention because it’s “ongoing”. This is a favourite chestnut used by Major Crime to excuse any participation, but who are they kidding? After five years they have no body, no killer and, seemingly, no idea of what to do next, but they are happy to build a brick wall around themselves if it means nobody will discover the adequacy of their own performance. It’s either a lack of confidence or competence or maybe both.

MACRO OR MICRO?

It’s the same old song for the state’s most notorious unsolved serial crime. The Claremont killings began with the disappearance of Sarah Spiers in 1996. Two weeks ago the Seven Network asked police to participate in a story about trying to catch the killer but again, not an officer in sight to appeal for public help. The excuse? It’s an “ongoing” investigation. Yes, 19 years of “ongoing” nothingness. No breakthrough, no result and no chance of pricking the conscience of anyone – across a national television audience – who might come forward.

This is what Mr O’Callaghan refers to as “modern policing”. It probably was when Division 4 was being produced by Hector Crawford but not today.

This should not be misinterpreted as being about media self-interest. It’s about our ever-shrinking reputation – a state where serious crime is not always treated seriously.

Mr O’Callaghan has been the top dog since 2004, the same year an external review was held into the Claremont case. Since then, he’s had 11 years to send the case to a coronial inquiry and has never pushed the button. How long before cold goes to freezing?

HAYLEY DODD

Hayley Dodd, who vanished in 1999

Similarly, there has never been a coronial inquest into the disappearance and suspected murder of Hayley Dodd. Despite the case lingering for 16 years, a recent development has been more to do with the dogged persistence of her mother, Margaret, than any inspirational detective work.

Interestingly, on Monday, May 25, police held a press conference and announced that a warrant had been issued for the arrest of a man for her wilful murder. It sounded like an impressive breakthrough – the only hiccup being the accused is serving time in a Queensland jail for another crime.

That led to a complete clanger; the warrant meant nothing without an extradition request being made from the WA Attorney-General to his Queensland counterpart and that wasn’t possible because the detectives had not completed the “appropriate paperwork”. Two weeks later, Attorney-General Michael Mischin said: “When they’ve got an application ready for me to consider, then I’ll pass it on to the Queensland Government.”

It’s Keystone Cops at best.

Only on Thursday morning, two-and-a-half weeks after the bells and whistles announcement, Mrs Dodd confirmed police had phoned to tell her “the Commissioner has signed the application and the paperwork is good to go”.

So, why the hoopla of a media conference when you’re not actually ready to slap on the handcuffs? Could it have had anything to do with getting the Shirley Finn case off the front page of the paper? Senior police also would have known the initial results of the Warneke internal investigation would be announced five days later and that would not reflect at all well on Major Crime.

SHIRLEY FINN

On the morning of the premature “breakthrough” announcement in the Dodd case, all Perth media outlets were chasing a follow-up on Shirley Finn. The 40-year-old murder case was reignited two days previously with the supposed revelation from a former police officer that detectives had threatened to kill him if he spoke up about seeing the brothel madam drinking with police on the night of her murder. The news cycle was strategically altered but the long-running Finn controversy is not over.

Shirley Finn.

Staggeringly, Mr O’Callaghan penned his own editorial on the Finn scenario and said it was “incredible” a 2002 royal commission into police corruption did not investigate it. He was quoted as saying: “I can’t understand why nobody lobbied the premier at the time to actually go back further and look at the Finn case.”

At the time, Mr O’Callaghan was an assistant commissioner, quite well placed to have an opinion. In addition, he worked in Internal Affairs from 1996 – the perfect place to be a receptacle of all sorts of police scuttlebutt and rumour. When he took control in 2004, one would have assumed he was in a perfect position to send the Finn case straight to the Coroner but he did not.

He ordered a review in 2005 and must have had an inkling then that something lurked under the surface because he makes the point that a royal commission in 2002 “could have revealed vital information if it had been allowed to investigate”. So, why did he not send it to the Coroner after the 2005 review?

He now says he’ll consider it after the current review is completed. I suspect that is more a political statement designed to keep the hope alive – not for the Finn family but the wider community who are losing faith in the ability of police to solve serious crimes.

Attempts to get a more scientific measurement of the performance of the Major Crime squad have not been successful. Despite repeated requests this week to police for the latest figures on clearance rates, they have been unable to provide them.

THE WRAP

Police Minister Liza Harvey isn’t worried about the machinations at the Major Crime squad, preferring to support management. As she says: “I have full faith in the Commissioner to be ensuring that we have the right people in those roles to continue with our investigative practices.”

To quote Mandy Rice-Davies, she would say that, wouldn’t she? Having reappointed Mr O’Callaghan for another two years, just last week, Ms Harvey is unlikely to be expressing dissatisfaction.

But one can only hope the Minister takes time to be a bit more forensic in her oversight to ensure our investigative practices do not continue but, rather, improve.

This is a Commissioner who is keen on parroting a “world’s best practice” mantra and yet then hides behind Perth’s traffic congestion as an excuse for falling response times. The last time I looked, New York City police managed to do their job in heavy traffic, albeit with a lot more sirens. Perhaps we need to make a lot more noise.

— Liam Bartlett is a journalist with the Nine Network and can be seen on 9 News Perth. Email: lbartlett@nine.com.au



An excerpt from the book and film

The History of the Darkest Side of Perth, Western Australia…
the shocking untold full story that will shock Western Australians, Australians and the world....which will help Western Australians unerstand whya d how the serial killers and other involved where allowed to continue to abduct, rape and murder innocent girls in Western Australia in the last 50 odd years .... with such abductions, rapes and murders increasing without those involved in such horrendous crimes being properly investigated and/or charged....

Paul Musarri was arrested and jailed in the 1980’s for selling heroin in Perth, Western Australia. When he was on trial in the District Court of Western Australia for these charges, he yelled out from the dock and pointed to the Western Australian Police Officers that had charged him with the supply and selling of heroin criminal offences and said to the District Court Trial Judge… “….. you Honour, I accept that I have been running a business of supplying and selling heroin … but I want to ask why those police officers sitting in the front row of the court are not also charged with me because they for many years were my partners in my heroin business….”The trial judge and the prosecution all took no notice of what Paul Musarri had yelled… Paul Musarri ended up with a long jail term and was sent out of the way down to Albany Prison … what happened was after and five years of Paul Musarri being in prison, members of the Western Australia Drug Squad then came to visit Paul Musarri and put a deal to Paul Musarri…“ …  the new Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer had approved for you to be released from jail on the condition that you sell heroin and other drugs for the Crime Syndicate he runs and is involved with …..”Paul Musarri took the deal ….…after 3 years of again becoming one of Perth’s top heroin dealers and buying a number of homes and cars including a luxurty home in the same multi-million City Beach Street, where the new Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer lived … with the new Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer and Paul Musarri and their families having Sunday barbeques together … just before the Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer had finished his term as Western Australian Police Commissioner  and was about to return to Victoria  ….. Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer arranged for Paul Musarri to be arrested again for heroin dealing … this meant all of Paul Musarri’s assets would be seized under the proceeds of crime act and Paul Musarri would again go back to jail…. There was a massive story in the Sunday Times,   Western Australia’s Sunday newspaper … about Paul Musarri’s arrest…
".. in another instance a well known Perth justice and truth campaigner was attending a Neighbourhood Watch Meeting in Fremantle, in the 1990's, which was  attended by Fremantle community leaders and chaired by the then Western Australian Police Commissioner, Robert Falconer ... the 
well known Perth justice and truth campaigner stated to the then Western Australian Police Commissioner, Robert Falconer during the Fremantle Neighbourhood Watch Meeting ..."..Sir I would like to make an appointment with next week to go through evidence I have of Western Australian Police being involved with the importing, manufacture, growing and distribution of illegal drugs in Western Australia and protecting well known illegal drug dealers  ...... for various monetary and other rewards ...." ... the response the well known Perth justice and truth campaigner had from the then Western Australian Police Commissioner, Robert Falconer was that he ordered security to throw out the well known Perth justice and truth campaigner from the Fremantle Neighbourhood Watch Meeting .. and threatened to have the well known Perth justice and truth campaigner arrested by the Western Australian Police if he ever tried to come back into the Fremantle Neighbourhood Watch Meeting or every tried to repeat again the claim that Western Australian Police Western Australian Police being involved with the importing, manufacture, growing and distribution of illegal drugs in Western Australia and protecting well known illegal drug dealers  .....
on others occasion  the well known Perth justice and truth campaigner had the following information given to him:
1. At a by chance meeting with a lady who used to be a doctor for the
 Western Australian Police Force/Service ... stated to  the well known Perth justice and truth campaigner that is was normal and common that on a Monday morning when she entered the lift at the main CIB Police headquarters  situated at 1 Adelaide Terrace, Perth, Western Australia ......for members of the Western Australian Police Force Drug Squad to be also in the lift with a few large bags of marajuana which had been confiscated from Perth and Western Australian drug dealers over the weekend .... the general and usual conversation would go like this .... the police officer that seemed to be in charge would say to the other police officers .....".... what will e done with these 5 bags of marajuana is that four of them will be given to our drug dealer to sell back on the streets and the 5th bag you will take and book into the police property room as evidence to be used in court against the drug dealers we have arrested .... they will not dare to complain about us stealing four of their bags of marajuanja because they would all e confiscated form them ion any event, and the less marajuana that is presented in court as the amount of marajuana found  in their possession when they were arrested ....the lesser jail sentence they will get . in fact if the drug dealers arrested play ball with us ... and agree to work for us ... we will do our best to get them probation or a suspended prison sentence .... or  at  the worst ..... make sure their get a short prison sentence wit early parole ... so that they can be out on the streets as soon as possible selling marajuana, heroin,  and other illegal drugs for us ..."

2. One day when  the well known Perth justice and truth campaigner and his other friend, dropped into see a female friend who lived in Northbridge .... to have a cup of coffee and a chat .... she had another female friend with her staying for a few days at her flat ... during the conversations over coffee and biscuits  . her female friend  stated among other things  ..... " ....the police that are in the Western Australian Drug Squad all well know I am a heavy heroin drug user ..... I bumped into western Australian Police officers James Cave and and his offsider in the Bat and Ball tavern in Rivervale ... who came up to me and said ..... " .. the police know that you are are well known heroin user ... if you try to score heroin in this tavern you will be charged and arrested .. however is you go the Charles Hotel  in North Perth .... where our dealer has the green light from the police to sell illegal drugs without fear of being charged ro arrested and the people ... and if yo buy off our drug dealer at the Charles Hotel you will not be arrested and charged for buying and using an illegal substance ..."

3. The well known Perth justice and truth campaigner, whose business was closed as a result of robbery and smashing up of his business, with the person who was proven to have organised the robbery and smashing of his business being deliberately charged with the wrong charge so that we was aquitted of the charge that he was charged by the prosecution being with robbery in company, but clearly of the evidence presented and proven at trial, was guilty of violence in company .... bumped into a a young man that used to work for him in the business, a few years back when he was around 17 years old  .. that was robbed and smashed up to make sure he was put out of business  ...  well known Perth justice and truth campaigner asked the young man ..." .. I have not seen you around the streets of Perth for a few years .. where have you been and what had you been up do since I have seen you last .... when you were working for me at the age of 17 years old ..." ... The young man replied ..." .... oh .. io have just come out of a few years in prison for a bank robbery I was involved with ....... I ended up with a huge heroin habit and did a stupid thing and robbed a bank to pay for my heroin habit...... the strange part about what happened to me after I was arrested and charged with the bank robbery ..... is that the Western Australian Police that arrested and charged  me put a deal to me .... they then warned me if I did not co-operate with the deal they were are about to propose .. then they would make sure I ended up locked up in prison for at least 20 years....they then they put the deal to me..... we want to sign a statement that you stole $250,000 from the bank .. even though we all know that you only stole $50,000 from the ANZ Bank ....that way the bank can claim $250,000 insurance money form the Insurance Company ... and the bank makes extra money, the bank mand and us can be a pay off too ,,,,,, we also want you to sign a further statement that you were responsible for three other bank robberies we all known that you were not involved with .. that way we can clean our our arrest, charge and solved crimes records  as well ..." .... The well known Perth justice and truth campaigner then asked ..."..did you take the deal?" ... the answer was from the young man  was ..",,yes I felt I had no choice but to take the deal ... I had met a nice girl and wanted to have a child with her and wnated to star a new life as soon as a could and get out of prison as soon as I could ... I ended up with only 5 years jail and was out in 3 years on parole, instead of 20 years jail ...."


JOHN KIZON, NOVEMBER 1999: There's corruption in senior ranks in the police department and has been for years. They've just moved them sideways. It's an absolute disgrace. You've got the public that sit at home and believe that --  There is some honest coppers. And I do respect honest police officers. Your normal police officer that does his job, goes home, and is by the book, I respect him. But in this State, without a Royal Commission, it's a complete disgrace, let me tell you.
STEPHEN McDONELL: How do you feel at the end of all this? You've spent many years working on this operation. What are you left with at the end?
UNDERCOVER OFFICER: A sense of waste. A sense of dismay that it could've come to that. A sense of questioning about the motives of the people who shut it down. Most of all, I guess, I'm concerned that the syndicate is now stronger than it was before.


West Australian Police Corruption
https://www.slp.wa.gov.au/publications/publications.nsf/.../$file/S020729.pdf
Jul 30, 2002 - various motels in and around Perth, including the Eastway. Lodge in Rivervale .... Robbery Squad received a telephone call from Police. Communications. ..... Cave from the Break Squad had also attended at Belmont detectives office ..... by officers of the Drug Squad; Detective Peribonio in particular, and I ...
http://www.smuggled.com/wapol1.htm
West Australian Police Corruption
Australians Against Corruption (AAC) have an enormous dossier of Police corruption in Western Australia that is all out of proportion to the relatively small size of that state's Police force. This indicates that corruption there is out of control. On 14th October 1997, a Federal Parliamentary (Senate) Inquiry was given substantial evidence at a Melbourne hearing, stating that Bob Falconer the current WA Police commissioner was involved in serious corruption in Victoria in the early 1990's, when head of that state's Police Internal Investigations section, either in a role of facilitating or covering up illegal Police activity.
Time constraints prevent AAC from placing much of this material on the World Wide web, but we expect it to become the focus of books in the future. Avon Lovell has written a number of books about corruption in Western Australia, most notably The Mickelberg Stitch and Split Image. The WA Police force have attempted to ban both books and served a number of vexatious defamation writs on the author. Notably the author of that book, Avon Lovell, wrote a foreward for Raymond Hoser's book, The Hoser Files, which was about Police corruption in Victoria. That book was unlawfully banned by Police in Victoria, following unprecedented pressure on media and the book distributors. In spite of that ban, the first print run has sold out and the book has been reprinted to satisfy demand.

The following letter (below) is typical of many received by AAC in Melbourne from victims of Police corruption. The case involving XXXXXX (see below) has had some media publicity in WA, which in itself is rare as usually mainstream media tend to shy away from exposing official corruption.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/josh-warneke-murder-wa-police-commissioner-reveals-detectives-will-be-disciplined-not-sacked/news-story/129dbdfdb7ab8c01eb86b037801b2e53
Josh Warneke murder: WA Police detectives will be ‘disciplined’, not sacked
PHIL HICKEY, PerthNow
January 7, 2016 

Josh Warneke was found dead on the side of Old Broome Rd after a night out with friends on February 26, 2010EXPOSED: Joshua Warneke murder revealed ‘systemic’ failures in WA Police

Police Commissioner Karl O’Callaghan said on Thursday that 11 officers in total were investigated as part of an internal review into the botched police inquiry into Josh Warneke’s death.
Eight officers will receive “managerial intervention” and three will be subject to a loss-of-confidence process.
Of those three, two will face disciplinary action ranging from fines to demotion.
The third officer, who was not part of the Major Crime team that investigated Mr Warneke’s death, is still being reviewed.
“They made a series of judgment calls about the ability of suspects and witnesses to understand the interview process which were wrong and reflected a lack of diligence,” Mr O’Callaghan said.
“I do accept, however, one of the officers had no experience with interviewing Aboriginal people from remote communities and should never have been tasked with the investigation.
“Other officers could have received better and more thorough advice from their supervisors.
“In this regard, the agency could have also done better.
“These ... are the mitigating factors against their removal from the WA Police.”

EXPOSED: Joshua Warneke murder revealed ‘systemic’ failures in WA Police
LIAM BARTLETT: Cruel wait for mother, prisoner and police over Josh Warneke’s death
BOTCHED: WA Police stand aside five officers over Josh Warneke investigation
POLICE involved in the botched Josh Warneke homicide investigation will face disciplinary action, such as a fine or a demotion, rather than being sacked.
Police Commissioner Karl O’Callaghan said on Thursday that 11 officers in total were investigated as part of an internal review into the botched police inquiry into Josh Warneke’s death.
Eight officers will receive “managerial intervention” and three will be subject to a loss-of-confidence process.
Of those three, two will face disciplinary action ranging from fines to demotion.
The third officer, who was not part of the Major Crime team that investigated Mr Warneke’s death, is still being reviewed.
“They made a series of judgment calls about the ability of suspects and witnesses to understand the interview process which were wrong and reflected a lack of diligence,” Mr O’Callaghan said.
“I do accept, however, one of the officers had no experience with interviewing Aboriginal people from remote communities and should never have been tasked with the investigation.
“Other officers could have received better and more thorough advice from their supervisors.

“In this regard, the agency could have also done better.
“These ... are the mitigating factors against their removal from the WA Police.”
Mr Warneke’s mother, Ingrid Bishop, was notified of the findings on Thursday morning. She has been contacted for comment.

Josh Warneke’s mother Ingrid Bishop.
The Corruption and Crime Commission, in its review into the case, found there were “systemic failures” within WA Police.
Mr Warneke, 21, was found dead on the side of a Broome road in 2010.
Gene Gibson was initially charged with murder in 2012 but pleaded guilty to manslaughter, after a judge ruled police interviews carried out with him were inadmissable.
Also on Thursday, Mr O’Callaghan said a specialist unit for dealing with Aboriginal witnesses and suspects from remote communities would be set up.
Pre-recorded cautions in every Aboriginal language will be introduced, similar to a system in the Northern Territory.
Detectives interviewing Gibson failed to provide him with an interpreter.
Mr O’Callaghan said Operation Aviemore had highlighted the difficulties of interviewing Aboriginal people whose first language was not English.
“More broadly we are enhancing the rigour around our homicide investigative practices by establishing ‘live’ review teams in Major Crime to provide quality assurance and governance across all new investigations,” he said.
“The lessons from Operation Aviemore have also led us to examine our victim liaison services, which will lead to significant improvements.”

Gene Gibson during a school excursion in Darwin when he was 14 years old.
Mr O’Callaghan said a report on the review into Operation Aviemore had been provided to the Attorney General and the Director of Public Prosecutions.
He said “material collected during the review” had also been given to Gibson’s legal team.
Mr O’Callaghan added: “The agency clearly has made mistakes.
“Clearly, these officers could have received better supervision and they could have received better training.
“So I accept as the Commissioner of WA Police those things were wrong.
“No police commissioner wants to be trying to explain the failings of an organisation ... but we have to understand that when things go wrong, we have to have an immediate response.”
Police Minister Liza Harvey refused to comment on the Commissioner’s findings on Thursday.
In November, Mrs Harvey said she was mortified over the bungled investigation and apologised to Mr Warneke’s mother Ingrid Bishop.
“My heart goes out to Ms Bishop, I would be horrified if an investigation into the murder of one of my children had been handled this way — I totally understand her distress,” she said.
“We have a very busy state, we have over 6000 officers, they investigate millions of incidences a year … we’re not always going to get it right, but I don’t expect we would get it so horribly wrong.
“I do apologise to her, I’m mortified this has happened.”

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https://www.police.wa.gov.au/Crime/Organised-crime
Organised Crime in Western Australia
https://www.slp.wa.gov.au/publications/publications.nsf/DocByAgency/012EBF78D9765A0A48256C060011DF67/$file/S020729.pdf
Organised Crime in Western Australia
Organised criminal activities may involve public official corruption, falsification of records, money laundering and the use of violence. Organised crime is when two or more people work together to carry out some type of criminal activity in order to profit.
Criminal activity includes illegal drug manufacturing, drug trafficking and distribution, extortion and sexual exploitation.
How you can help
You can assist police by keeping alert to what is going on around you at home, at work and in your neighbourhood.
What to look out for
Numerous people and vehicles briefly visiting an address within a few hours, particularly at unusual times of the day or late at night, may mean someone is drug dealing.
Significant and unexplained wealth, expensive homes, vehicles, electrical appliances, spending and an overall lifestyle that does not appear consistent with income may indicate a person or group is generating their income and supporting a flamboyant lifestyle from organised crime. Unusual or excessive fortification of premises, expensive alarm systems and surveillance cameras could be indicators of criminal activity related to organised crime.
The regular exchange of valuable items or cash may be payment for drugs or a drug debt. Drug deals often involve the use of cash. A person with no apparent, legitimate income source who frequently has large amounts of cash may have gained it from drug dealing or some other criminal activity.
How to report suspected organised crime
If you have information about organised crime, drug dealing, the people doing it or associated with it, please contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
ROYAL COMMISSION INTO WHETHER THERE HAS BEEN ANY CORRUPT OR CRIMINAL CONDUCT BY WESTERN AUSTRALIAN POLICE OFFICERS
 COMMISSIONER: G.A. Kennedy AO QC, Held at Perth on the 29th day of July, 2002
Counsel Assisting: Mr K. Pettit SC
Appearances: Mr J.C. Hammond (with him Ms J. Pepe), Mr K. Prince.
29/07/2002  A1/1 POLICE


Now, the Commission will hear that at least some of the Armed Robbery Squad detectives, and in particular Detective Potter and Detective (...name suppressed...), developed some explanations for the missing money, to account for the missing money. There were four explanations advanced by Detective Potter in particular. They were these.
 The first possible explanation advanced was that the money was stolen by one of the three women involved.
 That is, Turton, Emonson or Blight. Indeed, Mrs Dawson - Loris?
 Dawson, who owned the supermarket - was told this as fact, that one of the women had stolen the money.
The second theory advanced was that the money had been given to Paul Musarri, probably in payment of some previous drug debt.
The third theory advanced was that Mrs Dawson and her staff had lied about the amount that had been lost so that a fraudulent insurance claim could be made by Supa Valu.
The fourth theory was that police had in fact stolen the money. That theory was given little credence by Detective Potter, he says, and was not discussed with any other officer apart from Detective (...name suppressed...).


MR PETTIT: - - - little in time. At about 0820 hours that morning, Detective (...name suppressed...) of the Armed Robbery Squad received a telephone call from Police Communications. He was advised that an armed robbery at the supermarket had been reported. He immediately informed Detective Sergeant Potter, Glen Potter. Potter at that time was apparently out of town. He was in Bullsbrook. Potter then contacted the BCI and it was he who requested the deployment of a surveillance team to the area of Great Eastern Highway in Rivervale. Apparently Potter had the understanding - correct understanding, as it turns out - that Rose was likely to seek refuge in one of the motels in that area after committing a robbery. In fact, the BCI employed two surveillance teams to the vicinity of the Great Eastern Highway, Rivervale and one of those, as I have indicated, observed Rose and Monaghan return.
Detective Owen Williams collected Potter from the Midland Police Station en route to the supermarket. Detectives Thompson and (...name suppressed...) proceeded to the supermarket separately from Williams, and they arrived at the scene at 0830 hours. When they arrived at Midland, uniform police and the other detectives were already at the scene - that is, detectives from Midland.
Mr Potter and Mr Williams arrived at the supermarket about half an hour later, at 0900 hours. Thompson and (...name suppressed...) by then had begun taking witness statements, in the course of which they were informed by employees of the supermarket initially that approximately 30,000 to 40,000 might have been stolen in the robbery. Miss Karen Muller however, as I said, who was in the office at the time, shortly afterwards specifically recalls that she informed the Armed Robbery Squad of the correct amount having been stolen, which was in the vicinity all-up of $64,000. She will say that she thinks she informed Detective (...name suppressed...) of that directly.
(...name suppressed...) and Potter then left the scene. The remaining crime scene tasks were completed by Officers Thompson and Williams and the Midland detectives, but (...name suppressed...) and Potter returned to the Armed Robbery Squad offices at Curtin House. At 0920 hours (...name suppressed...) and Potter gathered some available Armed Robbery Squad staff for a briefing. In attendance were Detective Senior Constable Mariano Calzada, Detective Constable Kevin Baker, Detective Constable James Crozier and Detective Sergeants Stephen Da Re, Allan Corry and Detective Senior Sergeant Keegan. Additional officers were brought in from the Break Squad, from the Motor Squad and from the Drug Squad.
MR PETTIT: The secondary allegations in respect of those matters really concern the efforts of the police involved to cover up those two alleged thefts, and I'll come to that in more detail later. Turning to some more detail of the allegation, and turning first to some of the principal actors in the matter, Mr Monaghan and Mr Rose first met, we're told, in about 1994 when both were serving prisoners. They met again, relevantly, in March of 1997 when Mr Monaghan was released from Albany Prison.
At that time, March 97, Mr Rose was living in a duplex in Blackadder Road in Swan View. He lived there with a person named Tara Sinclair. She was the wife of a man that Rose had met in prison. At about the same time, that is, March 97 when Monaghan was released from prison, he resumed a relationship he had earlier with Miss Cher Angela Blight. Monaghan and Blight had, in the weeks before the 28th of April, stayed at various motels in and around Perth, including the Eastway Lodge in Rivervale, in Minora Drive, Rivervale.
Monaghan and Blight moved into the Eastway Lodge, into unit 22, about a week before the 28th of April. Also a few days before the 28th of April, Mr Rose took a room at the same lodge, the Eastway Lodge, and with him were two other women, a Miss Tracey Turton and a Miss Zoe Emonson. On the weekend of the 26th and 27th of April, therefore, there were these five people together at the Eastway Lodge. Mr Rose, as I say, was in unit 5 with Miss Turton and Miss Emonson, and Mr Monaghan was in unit 22 with Miss Blight.
All five were at that time heroin users. Mr Rose and Mr Monaghan were convicted criminals and each of the three women supported her drug habit by prostitution. It's important to note, Commissioner, that this was the Anzac Day long weekend in 1997, Anzac Day falling on the Friday. It's also important to note, and we'll have to go into it in some detail as evidence, that the Armed Robbery Squad at the time had earlier instituted surveillance of Mr Rose. That surveillance was code named by the Armed Robbery Squad, Operation Iceberg.
Operation Iceberg was instituted primarily because the Armed Robbery Squad suspected that Mr Rose had been involved in a separate robbery on the 3rd of April. That was committed at Mac's Supermarket in Gosnells, and they were also in receipt of information that Mr Rose was likely to attempt a further robbery, hence the surveillance. The surveillance was conducted, of course, by the police Bureau of Criminal Intelligence, BCI, and BCI had its own operation name for that surveillance. The BCI termed it Operation Two-Step.
The surveillance of Rose - and I should indicate here that at that time, it was not known to surveillance officers that Monaghan was acting in concert with Mr Rose - commenced on the 10th of April and it continued until the evening of the 24th of April. That's the Thursday. At 1836 hours on the 24th of April, the BCI surveillance officers observed Rose and his partner - subsequently determined to be Monaghan - enter the Supa-Valu supermarket in Morrison Road, Swan View. Rose and Monaghan were observed checking the location of the manager's office and checking also the store security cameras. Rose, in addition, was overheard to ask a staff member what time the store closed.
The surveillance of Mr Rose was suspended that evening at 2115 hours and at that point, it was not intended to restore the surveillance until the morning of Monday, the 28th of April.
One aspect of this investigation which might, from one perspective, be viewed as incidental, but is nonetheless important, certainly to those directly concerned with it, is that although officers - - - 


So pausing at this moment, Commissioner, Rose had left to buy heroin and, as I'll indicate in a moment, he went to Bayswater for that purpose. Emonson had left to go to the city to the bank to get some money. Monaghan and Blight had left in a taxi and Ms Turton remained in unit 5. All except Ms Emonson were under surveillance.
If I can take up, for a moment, what we know or what is alleged to be Rose's movements from there on, after leaving the service station Rose drove to Irvine Street in Bayswater where he met one Paul Musarri. He'd met Mr Musarri in prison
- - - 
MR PETTIT: - - - Mr Musarri in prison in 1995. Musarri operated a motor repair business called Northline Radiators. That was close to another business called JJ Motors, which was operated at 3 White Street, Bayswater by Mr Musarri's brother, Joseph Musarri.
Rose was followed to that address by BCI surveillance team.
On his arrival Rose spoke to Musarri. That was observed by BCI. He then entered the premises at 38 Irvine Street. He re-emerged shortly after that and retrieved from the van his blue and maroon Adidas jacket.
Now, the reason for the visit was for Musarri - - was for Rose, I should say, to purchase some drugs. There is some slight discrepancy, which will probably be able to be clarified when Mr Rose gives evidence, but it appears that part of the money that Rose was to pay Musarri involved an earlier debt in respect of a car. Mr Musarri will say that Mr Rose was to repay $2100 for repairs to a car, but the second purpose, according to both of them, was to purchase
some heroin.
Mr Musarri placed the money that he was paid by Rose in a bag to be banked. The money was later banked at the Challenge Bank in Morley into an account in the name of Northline Radiators. By that means Mr Musarri will tell the Commission that he is able with some accuracy to relate how much money he received from Mr Rose, but it seems to have been in the orderbof five or six thousand dollars.
Mr Rose departed from 38 Irvine Street at 1024 hours, still under observation. He drove to Goldie's Lunch Bar in Raymond Street, Bayswater where he purchased food and emerged 2 minutes later at 10.26. I'm sorry, I have that wrong. He entered the lunch bar at 10.26, he left at 10.39 - still, I might add, wearing the Adidas track suit top.
According to the running sheet, BCI took a photograph of Rose leaving the lunch bar but the Commission investigators have been unable to obtain any such photograph. From the lunch bar Rose returned to 38 Irvine Street, arriving there at 1041 hours, and he finally departed 38 Irvine Street at 1046 hours, drove the short distance to JJ Motors at 3 White Street and entered that premises at 1047 hours. A few minutes later, at 10.53, he left the area.
There is another slight discrepancy in the evidence at this point. Before leaving the area Mr Rose recalls that he drove to a nearby railway line car park where he injected some of the heroin he had just obtained, but BCI officers make no mention of that. I should add that the heroin that Mr Rose had obtained was bundled into three bundles, each covered withb black plastic masking tape, each bundle being something less than the size of a squash ball.
As I say, at 1053 hours Rose left the area completely and he drove to the Alcohol & Drug Authority methadone clinic in William Street, Northbridge. Apparently, as he neared the methadone clinic he drove a little erratically, cut acrosssome traffic and parked immediately outside the methadone clinic.
His arrival at the methadone clinic was observed by two uniformed officers. That occurred at 11.06 - - - 





The Ones That Got Away - Exploring accusations of police corruption in Western Australia.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/s160338.htm
WARNING: The language used in sections of this transcript may offend some people.
STEPHEN McDONELL: The officers involved in Red Emperor may or may not have acted improperly, but they say they want a Royal Commission to scrutinise the whole affair. Meanwhile, one interested party must be finding quite some amusement in all of this.
JOHN KIZON, NOVEMBER 1999: There's corruption in senior ranks in the police department and has been for years. They've just moved them sideways. It's an absolute disgrace. You've got the public that sit at home and believe that --  There is some honest coppers. And I do respect honest police officers. Your normal police officer that does his job, goes home, and is by the book, I respect him. But in this State, without a Royal Commission, it's a complete disgrace, let me tell you.
STEPHEN McDONELL: How do you feel at the end of all this? You've spent many years working on this operation. What are you left with at the end?
UNDERCOVER OFFICER: A sense of waste. A sense of dismay that it could've come to that. A sense of questioning about the motives of the people who shut it down. Most of all, I guess, I'm concerned that the syndicate is now stronger than it was before.

The Ones That Got Away - Exploring accusations of police corruption in Western Australia.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/s160338.htm
WARNING: The language used in sections of this transcript may offend some people.

STEPHEN McDONELL: The beneficiary of this accusation and counteraccusation is organised crime. Western Australia has seen failed prosecutions, the mysterious death of a star witness in a drug trial and a high-tech police operation called off without notice. Tonight, Four Corners goes to the dark parts of Perth where police and criminals go and where corruption seems to be prosecuted selectively.
STEPHEN McDONELL: There's a side to Western Australia not often talked about, a side of life not bound up in sun and sailing. Western Australia has thousands of kilometres of largely unwatched coastline. Facing out and up to Asia, it's the ideal back door for drug importation, like ecstasy, amphetamines and heroin. Western Australia's remote cattle stations are used to establish considerable marijuana crops. This has attracted sophisticated growers from the east. Then there's the capital, Perth. Its burgeoning population has provided a growing demand for hard drugs. Slowly, and without the rest of the nation noticing, organised crime has been moving into Western Australia.
STEPHEN McDONELL: The officers involved in Red Emperor may or may not have acted improperly, but they say they want a Royal Commission to scrutinise the whole affair. Meanwhile, one interested party must be finding quite some amusement in all of this.
JOHN KIZON, NOVEMBER 1999: There's corruption in senior ranks in the police department and has been for years. They've just moved them sideways. It's an absolute disgrace. You've got the public that sit at home and believe that --  There is some honest coppers. And I do respect honest police officers. Your normal police officer that does his job, goes home, and is by the book, I respect him. But in this State, without a Royal Commission, it's a complete disgrace, let me tell you.
STEPHEN McDONELL: How do you feel at the end of all this? You've spent many years working on this operation. What are you left with at the end?
UNDERCOVER OFFICER: A sense of waste. A sense of dismay that it could've come to that. A sense of questioning about the motives of the people who shut it down. Most of all, I guess, I'm concerned that the syndicate is now stronger than it was before.


STEPHEN McDONELL: The officers from Red Emperor were forced to hand over their documents to the ACC. But before the corruption commission finished its investigation into Cull and Coombs, the top brass acted. 
In November 1997, Deputy Commissioner Bruce Brennan issued an official order that Red Emperor be closed immediately. In a confidential memo, he said that any future investigations into the operation's primary target, John Kizon, would have to be cleared by him personally.
 What did you think when you first heard they were going to shut down Red Emperor?
It's crucial to this investigation whether Turton is to be believed in what she will tell the Commission, as follows; she will tell the Commission that she is sure that the bag at that point contained bundles of $50 notes and $100 notes. 
That is, as is probably obvious, an extremely important part of the evidence. 
If Turton is to be believed on that point, it directly implicates the police because at that point, the money is in police custody, according to Turton contains $50 and $100 notes, yet as I'll explain in a moment, when that money was booked into the exhibits officer, Mr Williams, and photographed by Officer Diviney there was not a solitary $50 note or $100 in the amount seized.
Detectives Nesbitt and Cave arrived after the searches had been completed. They were asked to convey Debnam and Turton to Curtin House, which they did. I should add that the search of unit 22 by Detectives Keays, Stjepic and Etherton did not locate anything of significance. Following the search, Detectives Potter and (...name suppressed...) left together and they returned to Curtin House, leaving Detective Thompson at unit 5 to await the arrival of a forensic officer to take photographs. Detective Etherton also remained behind with Thompson during this time.
MR PETTIT: - - - observed to attend, but that search, of course, did not turn up anything further of significance. The possibilities are, of course, that Detectives Potter and (...name suppressed...) conducted that search more in hope than in expectation. It's possible that there were other reasons for the search as well. 


STEPHEN McDONELL: But an infiltration going the other way was about to expose serious police corruption. It begins with a police sting involving a man named Andrew Petrelis. There are no public photos of Petrelis but he grew up in a well-off family. He was drawn into the Northbridge scene, becoming a heroin user, and he got work as a driver for John Kizon's old girlfriend. According to police, in the early '90s, Petrelis started doing some jobs around Northbridge. He was told to go to Perth's Kings Park and dig up a couple of bags buried there. He then took the bags, which contained cannabis, to this self-storage unit and padlocked the door. The storage centre owners became suspicious when they saw the padlock on a unit they thought was empty. They broke in, found $150,000 worth of drugs and called the police.
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: We, through the early part of that investigation, established that the person who rented that storage was Petrelis.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Andrew Petrelis was then offered immunity from prosecution if he'd roll over and give evidence against his alleged criminal bosses. He agreed and became a protected witness. Back at the storage centre, police had already set a trap using surveillance.
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: That's when I came up with an idea that we'll substitute it with grass clippings.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Coombs swapped the cannabis for lawn clippings, installed a secret camera and waited to see who would turn up. On 22 November, 1994, a close friend of Mr Kizon named Michael Rippingale was captured picking up the bags which now contained a different sort of grass. The court was later told that when Mr Rippingale to his horror discovered the lawn clippings, he immediately rang John Kizon. A series of conversations between the men were captured by police phone taps and a bugged car.
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE, FRIEND OF JOHN KIZON, (Re-enactment of police transcript): Do you want to meet me somewhere?
JOHN KIZON: Why? What's wrong?
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Oh, something.
JOHN KIZON: You all right?
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Yeah, oh, no, not really -- not really.
JOHN KIZON: Have the coppers got you?
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: No, no. Something else.
STEPHEN McDONELL: The secret recordings seemed to indicate that John was angry that something valuable was missing.
JOHN KIZON (25 minutes later, meeting in car): Hey, Rip, he probably never put it in there in the first place. You understand what I mean? That cunt.
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: They thought Petrelis had ripped them off the cannabis and put grass clippings in -- and not the police.
STEPHEN McDONELL: And so how were they going to respond to that?
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: They responded in a very violent manner in their conversations with themselves on what they intended to do to Petrelis.
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: (Later that night, telephone transcript): Cunt.
JOHN KIZON: Little arse.
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Oh.
JOHN KIZON: And when you said yeah, he's a little cunt.
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Yeah.
JOHN KIZON: I'm gonna wring his fucking neck.
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: Yeah, alright.
JOHN KIZON: Alright, buddy.
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE: See ya.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Police phone intercepts show that John Kizon and Michael Rippingale looked for Andrew Petrelis without luck for days. Armed with the phone taps, police charged both Michael Rippingale and John Kizon with conspiracy to supply cannabis. This time, they thought they had the big fish.
JOHN KIZON, 1999: I've only been charged in this offence because I've stayed close to a friend of mine. There is no substance to this charge at all. It's just a slur on my name and it's a personal attack on myself.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Police promised their star witness, Andrew Petrelis, that he'd be protected with a new identity. He moved to Queensland and in the quiet town of Caloundra, planned to get his pilot's licence. When he didn't turn up for his flying lesson one day, local police went around to his flat. They found Andrew Petrelis dead. He was naked and lying hunched over with a CD playing on repeat. The door was locked from the inside and Queensland police said it was a heroin overdose. Yet there was no tourniquet and no spoon. He was right-handed but the injection was into his right arm and this arm was twisted up and around. Official cause of death -- opiate toxicity. Andrew Petrelis was to give evidence against John Kizon and Michael Rippingale in a month. How much of a blow to the prosecution was the lack of the Petrelis evidence?
ROBERT COCK: I think it was a serious blow.
I think the case would have been stronger with his evidence.
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: His evidence, in my opinion, was critical in the conviction of one, if not both, of the accused people.
STEPHEN McDONELL: A jury acquitted John Kizon and Michael Rippingale of the drug charges.
MICHAEL RIPPINGALE, NOVEMBER 1999 (Outside court): Yeah, I'm just happy it's all over now. And this has been going for five years. I can get on with my life. Work the rest out for yourself.
JOHN KIZON, NOVEMBER 1999 (Outside court): I'm pleased for myself but what I'm not pleased about is they spent $1 million to $1.5 million on me. There's kids in the children's hospital that don't have facilities. There's old people that are being thrown out of their homes in the suburbs because this Government has a personal vendetta against me.
STEPHEN McDONELL: John Kizon had an alibi over the weekend of Andrew Petrelis's death. He checked himself into hospital, complaining of heart problems, and was soon discharged. Andrew Petrelis's death remains a mystery. There was no inquest. We don't know whether it was the result of an overdose or a hot shot from an enemy. But his death opens the doorway to a dark cave of police corruption because before Mr Petrelis had even gone to Queensland, his new secret identity was already blown. And it was blown by the police. This man, Constable Kevin Davy, made an unauthorised access of the police database in May 1995. He found Andrew Petrelis's new identity -- Andrew Parker. The new identity had only just been given out. Davy's excuse for looking this up on the computer was that he's an Elvis fan and he was looking for the name of Elvis's famous manager Colonel Tom Parker. He says he found Petrelis's new identity by mistake. What Kevin Davy did with the information is unknown. But Four Corners has been able to establish that another officer, Sergeant Murray Shadgett, also accessed Petrelis's new identity on the police mainframe. He passed the information on to known criminals. They allegedly provided Shadgett with a car-registration number and he matched it with the name Andrew Parker, Petrelis's new identity. Because Shadgett was speaking to suspected members of the Kizon syndicate, their phones were bugged and Peter Coombs heard the conversations.
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: The fact is, um -- known crooks asked a police officer to obtain information off the police mainframe.
STEPHEN McDONELL: And these were known criminals?
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: That's a criminal offence There's no, uh -- no beg your pardons, in my opinion.It is, um -- an inexcusable.
STEPHEN McDONELL: These criminals who received information from the police mainframe computer, from police -- were they linked to the main criminal syndicate being targeted by you?
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: Yes.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Significant members of the group?
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: Yes.
CHRIS CULL, OPERATIONS MANAGER, RED EMPEROR: And those criminals are involved in the organised crime group in Western Australia.
STEPHEN McDONELL: So there's little doubt that these senior level criminals were trying to find out about Andrew Petrelis?
CHRIS CULL: Absolutely.
Everything they could.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Inspector Chris Cull was another officer on Red Emperor.
Could it mean, then, that these high-level Western Australian criminals still have spies, allies in the West Australian police?
CHRIS CULL: Yes.
STEPHEN McDONELL: It's unclear if Andrew Petrelis's death was related to the security breaches. But the West Australian witness protection program has been hopelessly compromised. As for those who looked up Petrelis's details, Constable Davy resigned for giving out other classified information. Red Emperor officers told Internal Affairs about Sergeant Shadgett who'd been recorded talking to their criminal targets. Nothing happened. He's now very sick from diabetes and has just resigned. Both officers refused to speak to Four Corners. For three months, Andrew Petrelis lived in Queensland. Though police knew his identity was compromised, they made no attempt to give him a new one. After the blow of losing Andrew Petrelis, Red Emperor went on. The operation uncovered more police corruption.
INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, RED EMPEROR: What we found was driver's licences in false names in the hands of members of the syndicate under investigation.
STEPHEN McDONELL: And you believe police had given these driver's licences to the criminals?
INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: Inquiries confirmed that they were issued by police officers to persons unknown but ended up in the hands of members of our syndicate, under investigation.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Why is it useful to have a false driver's licence?
INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: You can open bank accounts, you can obtain property under false names.
There are many things you can do with a fake identification.
STEPHEN McDONELL: As Red Emperor continued, its key undercover officer gained access to senior levels of John Kizon's alleged syndicate.
UNDERCOVER OFFICER: Like, you spend hours and hours out on the piss with these lunatics.
Bored out of your brain most of the time because all you're doing is talking absolute shit.
That's really what it comes down to.
CHRIS CULL: He lived with them, drank with them, was right in with them, the whole way.
UNDERCOVER OFFICER: Someone will tell you half a bit of information about it.
You know, something that might be worth rolling over or, you know, plans to make a shitload of eccies or something like that. So you start talking about presses and who can steal chemicals, then nothing happens with it. Every now and then, something does. That's the whole point. But you also sit there and you try and work out who's who in the zoo.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Many Red Emperor detectives were close to criminal sources. Although the officers were uncovering police corruption they also came under suspicion themselves, in a grey world of favours, secret meetings and informants.
BOB FALCONER, POLICE COMMISSIONER, 1994-1999: And informers -- guess who they are.  It won't be the archbishop or the local brain surgeon. They're invariably the sorts of people who are deeply involved in crime, and they're cunning and they're clever and they're dangerous, but they can be useful.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Sometimes it's not clear where undercover work ends and crime begins. Police start turning a blind eye to small crimes in return for information. Criminals use police to attack their underworld rivals. But Chris Cull says, "In organised crime, 99 per cent of successes come from informants."
CHRIS CULL: Manipulate the informant. Work on his desires and his motivations. You know, build him up when he's down. Pretend to be a friend to him, so that you can move him toward a position where he feels some comfort with you, and he'll tell you what's going on. 'Cause he's putting his neck on the line. There's also a very good saying in the police in West Australia, and I'm sure it's the world over, that today's informant is tomorrow's target.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Into this mix of police, criminals and those in between, came Western Australia's Anti-Corruption Commission or ACC. It was set-up in 1997 following the Police Royal Commission in NSW.
ACC Chairman, Terry O'Connor, quickly became suspicious of police-informant relationships.
TERRY O'CONNOR, CHAIRMAN, ANTI-CORRUPTION COMMISSION: I suppose you've got to expect that there's always going to be some bad eggs in the barrel. There is in every human barrel. But we would say that there are more bad eggs in the West Australian Police Service barrel than one might expect.
STEPHEN McDONELL: What sort of things are these bad eggs doing?
TERRY O'CONNOR: Well, we see, um -- we have some evidence to support the view that they're engaged in stealing -- stealing money, stealing drugs. Um -- selling drugs, stealing property. Um -- those sorts of things.
STEPHEN McDONELL: It wasn't long before the ACC itself became the subject of controversy. It's an ultra-secretive body. There are no public hearings, there's no cross-examining of witnesses by the accused and the law even prohibits anyone mentioning publicly that the commission is examining a matter. The ACC works closely with police Internal Affairs. Keen to prove its mettle from the outset, the ACC went after the detectives -- including some from Red Emperor with active informants. From this point, the investigation of police in the West becomes a bewildering world of claim and counter-claim. Chris Cull was accused of having an improper relationship with a major heroin dealer and disclosing confidential information to him. Mr Cull says he was trying to save the man's life.
TERRY O'CONNOR: What Cull had done was that he had gone to a major heroin dealer (Pau Massari) to, as he describes it, to provide him information that his life or well-being was under some threat. He said that he had the authority of a senior officer but not his senior officer. He had subsequent meetings with that heroin dealer. He says he was offered money by the heroin dealer which he refused. He made no report of being offered money and appears not to have contemplated charging him with bribery or something like that.
CHRIS CULL: We analysed the situation and saw that the possible target of an abduction and a beating and possibly even worse.
STEPHEN McDONELL: What do you mean by worse?
CHRIS CULL: Torture. Possibly deathPossibly murder.
STEPHEN McDONELL: And who was to be the target of this?
CHRIS CULL: The person that the ACC alleged I had a relationship with (Francesco La Rosa who worked with well known drug dealer Paul Massari who stated in District Court in Western Australia that he worked with the polcie as his partners)
STEPHEN McDONELL: To confuse things, Chris Cull's story has changed. Originally, he said the meeting to warn the man was near the dealer's home with just him and the dealer present. Now Mr Cull claims the meeting took place in a superintendent's office and that this senior officer was present as well. What would you say to critics, I suppose -- especially the ACC -- might say to you, well, why should we believe you if you can't even remember where this crucial meeting took place?
CHRIS CULL: Oh, I can remember the second occasion.
STEPHEN McDONELL: No, the first one though.
CHRIS CULL: Um, well, I don't know. I mean, we're only human beings. We aren't super computers -- 
STEPHEN McDONELL: It's a big difference between meeting him near his house and meeting him in a police building, isn't it?
CHRIS CULL: Yeah.
No, I mean, I -- often we go through this process and I don't remember everything that has gone on. You only remember key issues of matters.
STEPHEN McDONELL: The Anti-Corruption Commission and Internal Affairs also turned their attention to the head of Red Emperor, Peter Coombs. Internal Affairs prepared a damning report into Sergeant Coombs which was tabled in Parliament. The allegations against him flowed from the 1994 raid on the home of heroin dealer, Francesco La Rosa. During the raid, Coombs and two other officers found cannabis and drug charges would be laid But when a safe was opened, police found inside a pistol, a silencer and 59 rounds of ammunition. The police took the weapon but never charged La Rosa with anything relating to the gun.
DET SGT PETER COOMBS: He was to be charged on that day.He wasn't. And then when it came to light a few months down the track -- after some information was obtained -- he was sanctioned by our superiors for him not to be charged.
STEPHEN McDONELL: Former deputy 
STEPHEN McDONELL: The fight against organised crime in Western Australia has all the appearances of being a shambles. Detectives, criminals and government watchdogs can agree on only one fact -- there is corruption in the police service.
TERRY O'CONNOR, CHAIRMAN, ANTI-CORRUPTION COMMISSION: I suppose you've got to expect that there's always going to be some bad eggs in the barrel. We would say that there are more bad eggs in the Western Australian Police Service barrel than one might expect.
STEPHEN McDONELL: The trouble is nobody can agree on who the corrupt officers are or what constitutes corruption.
LES AYTON, DEPUTY POLICE COMMISSIONER, 1994-1996: There is no way you can effectively catch criminals by sticking strictly to the letter of the law. Good detectives have to take the law to the knife's edge.
BOB FALCONER, POLICE COMMISSIONER, 1994-1999: If you're skilled in detecting and presenting evidence, well, clearly, if you want to turn to the dark side of the force -- to use an Americanism -- then you can easily use those same skills and knowledge as a countermeasure.

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Notorious WA drug dealer Paolo Musarri jailed for selling ice to officer

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A notorious West Australian drug dealer has received a further substantial prison term for selling methylamphetamine and heroin.

Paolo Musarri, 67, has spent most of his adult life behind bars for drug offences, including conspiring to import drugs in 1984 for which he received a 15-year term.

The latest offences occurred in 2013 and 2014 and were uncovered during an investigation by the WA police's Organised Crime Squad into an interstate drug trafficking ring.

The first offence in December 2013 involved Mussari attempting to buy 361 grams of heroin.

A search of his home found more than $130,000 in cash that was going to be used to buy the drugs.

Whilst on bail for that crime, he committed the second offence by selling more than 400 grams of methylamphetamine to a man called "Vinnie" who was an undercover police officer.

Musarri's 43-year-old daughter Tammi was also involved in that deal, with the District Court hearing she was living with her father at the time and he had instructed her to get the drugs from a truck to hand over to the undercover officer.

Musarri introduced daughter to heroin

Judge Philip Eaton said at the time Tammi Musarri was "significantly" affected by drugs and had been dependent on her father to give her "free" heroin.

Musarri had introduced his daughter to heroin when she was staying with him in 1999 on one of the occasions he had been released from jail.

Judge Eaton said he had taken into account Tammi Musarri's dysfunctional upbringing in giving her an 18-month suspended jail term.

However, he imposed a term of 10 years and five months' jail on Paolo Musarri, whom the court heard now had a range of health problems including being diagnosed with cancer.

It was backdated to the time of his arrest in October 2014, and he will have to serve eight years and five months before he can be released.

Two Vietnamese men were also jailed for supplying the methylamphetamine to Musarri that was sold to the undercover officer.

Van Dieu Phan, 56, who has prior convictions for drug offences, was sentenced to seven years and seven months' jail, while 29-year-old Vihn Pham was given a four-and-a-half-year sentence.

It has been stated by witnesses that well known heroin dealer operating out of Western Australia was the main man behind Barlow and Chambers
 became the first Westerners to be executed under Malaysia's new tougher laws for drug offences that prescribe death for anyone convicted of having over 15 grams of heroin.

The Barlow and Chambers executions were the hangings in 1986 by Malaysia of two Westerners, Kevin John Barlow (Australian and British) and Brian Geoffrey Shergold Chambers (Australian) of Perth, Western Australia, for the drug trafficking of 141.9 g of heroin.

The two men became the first Westerners to be executed under Malaysia's new tougher laws for drug offences that prescribe death for anyone convicted of having over 15 grams of heroin. Barlow was born in the UK in Stoke-on-Trentand held dual British and Australian nationalities.[1] Barlow's family made appeals to UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to make a protest about the impending execution, and Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs Bill Hayden made an appeal for clemency to the Malaysian government. The executions caused public outcry and strained political relations between Australia and Malaysia at the time.

Between early 1981 and the end of 1983 Chambers had made at least twelve trips abroad to transport heroin to Australia. In 1980 Chambers imported heroin to Australia using body packing techniques: Chambers placed the drugs in his anus. The rest of the load was swallowed. He used the same technique in 1981 when, on transit in Singapore, customs officers detected Chambers' two vials of personal-use heroin in his jacket pocket. He was released after bribing officers. Chambers and his then girlfriend, Susan Cheryl Jacobsen, decided to move to Melbourne to escape Perth's organised crime scene. Driving intoxicated near Penong, South Australia, Chambers crashed the vehicle. Chambers was not seriously injured; however, Jacobsen received severe injuries. Jacobsen spent several days in a coma before dying of her injuries on 20 May 1983.The drug run was organised by Perth criminal John Asciak. Chambers was enlisted for the job due to his experience in the task. Asciak spent much time at the residence of his girlfriend Debbie Colyer-Long and got to know her boarder, Kevin Barlow. Asciak soon learned Barlow had little money and few prospects for regular work.
 At the time Barlow was on compensation after injuring himself at work. He was depressed, consuming a lot of alcohol and marijuana after losing his girlfriend. He had also been threatened with the repossession of his car. Though Barlow and Chambers later testified they were tourists travelling alone who met by chance in Singapore and then opted to travel together, their meeting in Singapore in October 1983 was planned by Asciak. Chambers had previously had a meeting with Barlow in Perth to approve him for the job. To help conceal their activities, Barlow had flown to Singapore directly from Perth, while Chambers had flown there via Sydney. After the Singapore meeting they disobeyed orders by travelling together and sharing the same hotel rooms; they had been directed to stay apart. Barlow was a novice on his first drug run; he was convinced by organisers that as Chambers was an experienced drug courier the plan would proceed smoothly. Barlow was initially confident the drug run would be successful.The proposed drug run had been openly discussed by John Asciak and Kevin Barlow in the household of Debbie Colyer-Long prior to the event. Colyer-Long's brother-in-law Trevor Lawson learned of it and had informed the National Crime Authority  of the scheme. Having met in Singapore, Barlow and Chambers travelled by train to Penang  in Malaysia. The package of drugs had been buried on a beach in Penang. Chambers was given directions to the site and dug up the package. Barlow was present but had not known the location of the heroin. Initial plans were that Barlow and Chambers conceal the drugs by inserting some packages into their anuses and swallowing the rest. Barlow refused to do either, the former for reasons of distaste, the latter due to health concerns with that method. Chambers relented and placed the several packages of drugs, which were within plastic carry bags and wrapped in newspaper, into a newly purchased maroon suitcase. Barlow had become very nervous after the collection of the drugs Barlow and Chambers were observed alighting from the same taxi at Bayan Lepas International Airport rt on 9 November 1983. Barlow carried the maroon suitcase and entered the airport. He bypassed the luggage scanning area and approached the check-in desk. Chambers, carrying Barlow's bags, paid the taxi, entered the airport and passed through the luggage scanning area, and joined Barlow at the check-in desk. They were detained by police, as Barlow was seen to be very nervous. Taken to an interview room they were asked to open the suitcases. Chambers opened the bags he was carrying. Barlow said he was unable to open the case he had carried and that it was Chambers' case. Chambers unlocked the case's combination locks and the drugs were found; however, he claimed he had not known the contents of the smaller carry bags the drugs were in. When police handcuffed them, they were reportedly "shivering terribly".

They were imprisoned in Penang Prison for all of 1984 and most of 1985. The prison was overcrowded. Built in 1849 to house up to 350 prisoners, in 1984 it housed 2000 people including women and babies. Barlow and Chambers were locked in a two by three-metre square cell together with up to three other prisoners for 22 hours a day, with an exercise period being allowed only if all cellmates had behaved that day. Chambers was well liked in prison; however, Barlow had trouble adjusting, and was described as being a "lunatic" and "cracking up". Barlow attempted to excuse his actions by claiming that he had been forced to take the trip and his girlfriend threatened to leave him if he refused

 Former Macro Take Force Boss Paul Ferguson was in about 1997 removed by the the then Western Australian Police Commissioner Robert Falconer, who was the former head of the well known to be corrupt Victorian Drug Squad, from being the Macro Take Force Boss and replaced by Inspector David Caporn, who was later made Assistant Commissioner, until David Caporn had to resign from the Western Australian Police Force be cause of a ruling of the High Court of Australia that set aside the murder conviction of Andrew Mallard, because the High Court stated that the evidence that Inspector David Caporn
 put together to that was the basis of Andrew Mallard's murder conviction was false and manufactured evidence
                                        
   Former Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn, who had been named in Western Australian Parliament as being corrupt. and serious questions have been asked as to whether  former Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn was seriously trying to catch and arrest the real Claremont Serial Killer or Killers.... 
......one would expect there to be more than one person involved in the 
Claremont Serial Killings....

Paul Musarri was arrested and jailed in the 1980’s for selling heroin in Perth, Western Australia. When he was on trial in the District Court of Western Australia for these charges, he yelled out from the dock and pointed to the Western Australian Police Officers that had charged him with the supply and selling of heroin criminal offences and said to the District Court Trial Judge… “….. you Honour, I accept that I have been running a business of supplying and selling heroin … but I want to ask why those police officers sitting in the front row of the court are not also charged with me because they for many years were my partners in my heroin business….”

The trial judge and the prosecution all took no notice of what Paul Musarri had yelled… Paul Musarri ended up with a long jail term and was sent out of the way down t6o Albany Prison … what happened was after and five years of Paul Musarri being in prison, members of the Western Australia Drug Squad then came to visit Paul Musarri and put a deal to Paul Musarri…

“ …  the new Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer had approved for you to be released from jail on the condition that you sell heroin and other drugs for the Crime Syndicate he runs and is involved with …..”

Paul Musarri took the deal ….

…after 3 years of again becoming one of Perth’s top heroin dealers and buying a number of homes and cars including a luxury home in the same multi-million City Beach Street, where the new Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer lived … with the new Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer and Paul Musarri and their families having Sunday barbeques together … just before the Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer had finished his term as Western Australian Police Commissioner  and was about to return to Victoria  ….. Western Australian Police Commissioner  Robert Falconer arranged for Paul Musarri to be arrested again for heroin dealing … this meant all of Paul Musarri’s assets would be seized under the proceeds of crime act and Paul Musarri would again go back to jail…. There was a massive story in the Sunday Times,   Western Australia’s Sunday newspaper … about Paul Musarri’s arrest…

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Notorious WA drug dealer Paolo Musarri jailed for selling ice to officer

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A notorious West Australian drug dealer has received a further substantial prison term for selling methylamphetamine and heroin.

Paolo Musarri, 67, has spent most of his adult life behind bars for drug offences, including conspiring to import drugs in 1984 for which he received a 15-year term.

The latest offences occurred in 2013 and 2014 and were uncovered during an investigation by the WA police's Organised Crime Squad into an interstate drug trafficking ring.

The first offence in December 2013 involved Mussari attempting to buy 361 grams of heroin.

A search of his home found more than $130,000 in cash that was going to be used to buy the drugs.

Whilst on bail for that crime, he committed the second offence by selling more than 400 grams of methylamphetamine to a man called "Vinnie" who was an undercover police officer.

Musarri's 43-year-old daughter Tammi was also involved in that deal, with the District Court hearing she was living with her father at the time and he had instructed her to get the drugs from a truck to hand over to the undercover officer.

Musarri introduced daughter to heroin

Judge Philip Eaton said at the time Tammi Musarri was "significantly" affected by drugs and had been dependent on her father to give her "free" heroin.

Musarri had introduced his daughter to heroin when she was staying with him in 1999 on one of the occasions he had been released from jail.

Judge Eaton said he had taken into account Tammi Musarri's dysfunctional upbringing in giving her an 18-month suspended jail term.

However, he imposed a term of 10 years and five months' jail on Paolo Musarri, whom the court heard now had a range of health problems including being diagnosed with cancer.

It was backdated to the time of his arrest in October 2014, and he will have to serve eight years and five months before he can be released.

Two Vietnamese men were also jailed for supplying the methylamphetamine to Musarri that was sold to the undercover officer.

Van Dieu Phan, 56, who has prior convictions for drug offences, was sentenced to seven years and seven months' jail, while 29-year-old Vihn Pham was given a four-and-a-half-year sentence.

It has been stated by witnesses that well known heroin dealer operating out of Western Australia was the main man behind Barlow and Chambers became the first Westerners to be executed under Malaysia's new tougher laws for drug offences that prescribe death for anyone convicted of having over 15 grams of heroin.

 

The Barlow and Chambers executions were the hangings in 1986 by Malaysia of two Westerners, Kevin John Barlow (Australian and British) and Brian Geoffrey Shergold Chambers (Australian) of Perth, Western Australia, for the drug trafficking of 141.9 g of heroin.

The two men became the first Westerners to be executed under Malaysia's new tougher laws for drug offences that prescribe death for anyone convicted of having over 15 grams of heroin. Barlow was born in the UK in Stoke-on-Trentand held dual British and Australian nationalities.[1] Barlow's family made appeals to UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to make a protest about the impending execution, and Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs Bill Hayden made an appeal for clemency to the Malaysian government. The executions caused public outcry and strained political relations between Australia and Malaysia at the time.

Between early 1981 and the end of 1983 Chambers had made at least twelve trips abroad to transport heroin to Australia.[3] In 1980 Chambers imported heroin to Australia using body packing techniques: Chambers placed the drugs in his anus. The rest of the load was swallowed. He used the same technique in 1981 when, on transit in Singapore, customs officers detected Chambers' two vials of personal-use heroin in his jacket pocket. He was released after bribing officers. Chambers and his then girlfriend, Susan Cheryl Jacobsen, decided to move to Melbourne to escape Perth's organised crime scene. Driving intoxicated near Penong, South Australia, Chambers crashed the vehicle. Chambers was not seriously injured; however, Jacobsen received severe injuries. Jacobsen spent several days in a coma before dying of her injuries on 20 May 1983.[

The drug run was organised by Perth criminal John Asciak. Chambers was enlisted for the job due to his experience in the task. Asciak spent much time at the residence of his girlfriend Debbie Colyer-Long and got to know her boarder, Kevin Barlow. Asciak soon learned Barlow had little money and few prospects for regular work.[5] At the time Barlow was on compensation after injuring himself at work. He was depressed, consuming a lot of alcohol and marijuana after losing his girlfriend. He had also been threatened with the repossession of his car.

Though Barlow and Chambers later testified they were tourists travelling alone who met by chance in Singapore and then opted to travel together, their meeting in Singapore in October 1983 was planned by Asciak. Chambers had previously had a meeting with Barlow in Perth to approve him for the job. To help conceal their activities, Barlow had flown to Singapore directly from Perth, while Chambers had flown there via Sydney. After the Singapore meeting they disobeyed orders by travelling together and sharing the same hotel rooms; they had been directed to stay apart.

Barlow was a novice on his first drug run; he was convinced by organisers that as Chambers was an experienced drug courier the plan would proceed smoothly. Barlow was initially confident the drug run would be successful.[

The proposed drug run had been openly discussed by John Asciak and Kevin Barlow in the household of Debbie Colyer-Long prior to the event. Colyer-Long's brother-in-law Trevor Lawson learned of it and had informed the National Crime Authority of the scheme.

Having met in Singapore, Barlow and Chambers travelled by train to Penang in Malaysia. The package of drugs had been buried on a beach in Penang. Chambers was given directions to the site and dug up the package. Barlow was present but had not known the location of the heroin.

Initial plans were that Barlow and Chambers conceal the drugs by inserting some packages into their anuses and swallowing the rest. Barlow refused to do either, the former for reasons of distaste, the latter due to health concerns with that method. Chambers relented and placed the several packages of drugs, which were within plastic carry bags and wrapped in newspaper, into a newly purchased maroon suitcase. Barlow had become very nervous after the collection of the drugs

Barlow and Chambers were observed alighting from the same taxi at Bayan Lepas International Airport on 9 November 1983. Barlow carried the maroon suitcase and entered the airport. He bypassed the luggage scanning area and approached the check-in desk. Chambers, carrying Barlow's bags, paid the taxi, entered the airport and passed through the luggage scanning area, and joined Barlow at the check-in desk. They were detained by police, as Barlow was seen to be very nervous.

Taken to an interview room they were asked to open the suitcases. Chambers opened the bags he was carrying. Barlow said he was unable to open the case he had carried and that it was Chambers' case. Chambers unlocked the case's combination locks and the drugs were found; however, he claimed he had not known the contents of the smaller carry bags the drugs were in.

When police handcuffed them, they were reportedly "shivering terribly".

They were imprisoned in Penang Prison for all of 1984 and most of 1985. The prison was overcrowded. Built in 1849 to house up to 350 prisoners, in 1984 it housed 2000 people including women and babies. Barlow and Chambers were locked in a two by three-metre square cell together with up to three other prisoners for 22 hours a day, with an exercise period being allowed only if all cellmates had behaved that day. Chambers was well liked in prison; however, Barlow had trouble adjusting, and was described as being a "lunatic" and "cracking up".

Barlow attempted to excuse his actions by claiming that he had been forced to take the trip and his girlfriend threatened to leave him if he refused




 Former Macro Take Force Boss Paul Ferguson was in about 1997 removed by the the then Western Australian Police Commissioner Robert Falconer, who was the former head of the well known to be corrupt Victorian Drug Squad, from being the Macro Take Force Boss and replaced by Inspector David Caporn, who was later made Assistant Commissioner, until David Caporn had to resign from the Western Australian Police Force be cause of a ruling of the High Court of Australia that set aside the murder conviction of Andrew Mallard, because the High Court stated that the evidence that Inspector David Caporn
 put together to that was the basis of Andrew Mallard's murder conviction was false and manufactured evidence
                                        
   Former Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn, who had been named in Western Australian Parliament as being corrupt. and serious questions have been asked as to whether  fformer Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn was seriously trying to catch and arrest the real Claremont Serial Killer or Killers.... 
......one would expect there to be more than one person involved in the 
Claremont Serial Killings....

In 1996/1997 a serial killer was stalking young women in Perth, Western Australia. Sarah Spiers, 18, was the first known victim. Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon disappeared from the same nightclub district in Claremont soon after, their bodies discovered sometime later. Sarah Spiers has never been found & the serial killer remains at large, the murders unsolved......

The Premier of Western Australia from the 16th of February, 1993 to the 16th of February, 2001 was Richard Fairfax Court.
It was Western Australian Premier Richard Fairfax Court that arranged and approved his close Freemason brother and to be the first non Western Australian Police Officer to be appointed the Western Australian Police Commissioner. 
The Court Family along with former Premier Charles Court, who was the father to Richard Fairfax Court come form as long line of proud Freemason Brothers,

 Former Premier the late Sir Charles Court, the father of former Premier Richard Fairfax Court

Richard Fairfax Court the Former Premier of Western Australia from 1993 to 2001 .

Robert Falconer


Robert FalconerWestern Australian Police Commissioner, who is a red lodge senior repected Freemason,
who was the former head of the Victorian Drug Squad of Victoria

Robert FalconerWestern Australian Police Commissioner,
 20 June 1994 to 20 June 1999


Commissioner Falconer was of Scottish birth and joined the Victorian police in 1963. He had gained very varied experience in practical policing work and was Deputy Commissioner in charge of operations when he was appointed to the WA position. Robert Falconer was the first person without any West Australian career background to be gain the office since Matthew Smith in 1871. There is little doubt that from day one Mr Falconer had a mandate for sweeping institutional change.

He instituted the Delta Reform programme, which may be likened to a third managerial revolution in the history of WA policing. Some traditional branches were rationalised or even abolished, with widely differing outcomes. The Police Force was renamed the Western Australia Police Service. Opinion among WA police officers of the time was divided in terms of the success of the changes; few would have denied that radical reforms were necessary.

Robert FalconerWestern Australian Police Commissioner,




    WHO ABDUCTED, RAPED OR KILLED THESE WOMEN? -
    THE HUNT FOR A SERIAL ABDUCTOR OR ADDUCTRORS, RAPIST OR RAPISTS  
 AND KILLER or KILLERS
 

February 15, 1988 - 18-year-old woman indecently assaulted in her sleep during break-in at a Gay Street, Huntingdale home

Julie Cutler last seen 12:30am 20 June 1988


Kerry Turner last seen 5am June 30 1991 – BRE’s father’s birthday

Saturday January 1, 1994 Claremont Subway Attack

1994 Jan 1 woman driving home from Club Bay View fights off man who dragged her from her car and tried to rape her near the Claremont subway 

1994 May 23 Pamela Lawrence is murdered at her shop in Mosman Park. Andrew Mark Mallard is wrongfully convicted of her murder in 1995. 
He is ultimately cleared... some 12 years later

1994 Oct A 31-year-old woman breaks her ankle when she leaps from a speeding taxi on Princess Road after the driver and another man try to attack her. 

Sunday February 12 1995 Karrakatta attack.

1995 Feb 12 Teenager abducted in Rowe Park, tied with electrical flex and raped at Karrakatta Cemetery

1995 - Karrakatta Cemetery rape, Claremont

Jan. 1996 - Sarah Spiers abducted Claremont- still missing (Hidden probably in the bush somewhere)-Was a possible call from the killer suggesting a really well hidden enormous area

Church Lane - Women bashed and indecently assaulted Sunday March 3 1996 at 2:00am

1996 Mar 3 A 21-year-old woman is bashed and indecently assaulted in Church Lane behind Club Bay View. 

June 1996 - Jane Rimmer- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- abattoir worker anyone?)

Mar. 1997 - Ciara Glennon- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- maybe im wrong and only one victims was identified in the foreign media as having major knife wounds throughout the body,If So it would be Ciara only where we know the cause of death?)

Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)

Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing (last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)

Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston, St.Perth

18 March 2002, Christine Michelle Schipp last seen Northbridge

Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

 8th August, 2005 - Robyn Santen went Missing in Leederville- Cottesloe area, and has never been found.

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

Karra - blitz attack (planned)
Claremont Subway - blitz attack (brazen)
Car park behind CBV - blitz attack
Swanbourne Railway station - blitz attack (presumably on foot)

Princes Rd/Bayview Tce attack - taxi pick up (2 dudes)
Lakeway golf course attack - taxi pick up (1 dude)

Cottesloe Hotel/Lakeway Drive-in (opportunistic)

There's a lot of different MOs in that lot. The Claremont Subway one is unclear. Articles say "he tried to rape her" which suggests he didn't try to put her in his car.
 Wouldn't mind knowing where exactly he dragged her to. Maybe this is the CSK evolving?

1991 - opportunistic rape. Passed out girl in car.
1993 - rapes 2 girls? How did he do that? Were they on different dates?
1994 - Tried to plan it but failed? Went back to drawing board.
1995 - Karra. Planned it to a tee.
1996-97 - CSK murders

 

 

How many of Perth’s missing and murdered women fell prey to serial killers?

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/how-many-of-perths-missing-and-murdered-women-fell-prey-to-serial-killers/news-story/0c2ef54e364745c7c0582b4e60685a91

JANUARY 17, 2017

IT’S one of the most remote cities on earth, yet no less than four serial killers and suspected
serial killers have chosen Perth as their hunting ground since the 1980s.

The arrest of a man in connection with the most notorious of them all — the Claremont murders — has renewed interest in Western Australia’s other unsolved cases. And there are many.

Over the past four decades, dozens of women and girls have disappeared from the Perth area. A handful have turned out to be murdered but the vast majority have never been found.

Some of these cold cases are being rexamined for possible links to other unsolved cases, while others bear the hallmarks of solved murders and notoriously violent criminals.

The waters have been muddied thanks to some major screw ups by the Western Australian Police, who have developed a reputation for collaring
the wrong man (Andrew Mallard, the Mickelburg brothers and John Button to name a few) while the real killers roamed free, and in some cases struck again.

The town of Claremont has feared there may be a serial killer in their midst since the deaths of
 Jane Rimmer, 23, and Ciara Glennon, 27, in 1996 and 1997.

Speculation about other serial killers has been rife for years as police, amateur sleuths and journalists chip away at WA’s growing list of unsolved crimes.

Two cases which have come up again and again are those of Julie Cutler and Kerry Turner, who vanished in 1988 and 1991 respectively.

Ms Turner’s decomposed remains were found near Canning Dam four weeks after she disappeared. Ms Cutler’s upturned car was found in the surf off Cottesloe Beach two days after she was last seen but her body has never been recovered.

The parents of both Ms Cutler and Ms Turner believe their daughters may have fallen prey a serial killer and have appealed to detectives to investigate possible links.

Just before Christmas, police charged Bradley Robert Edwards with the abduction and murders of Ms Glennon and Ms Rimmer.

The 48-year-old Telstra technician and amateur photographer was arrested after cold case detectives allegedly linked DNA from Ms Glennon to a 1995 rape at Perth’s Karrakatta Cemetery and a kimono linked to the scene of a 1988 assault on a sleeping teenager in Huntingdale.

Mr Edwards faces two counts of deprivation of liberty, two counts of aggravated sexual penetration without consent,
one count of breaking and entering and one count of indecent assault with respect to the earlier cases.

The investigation regarding 18-year-old Sarah Spiers, who also disappeared from Claremont in 1996 but whose body has never been found, remains open.
Mr. Edwards has not been charged with any offences in relation to Ms Spiers

 


Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?299185-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-4/page89

WA Police appear to have changed the actual statement the three boys gave who sat on the bus stop in Stirling Highway who were the last known people to see Ciara Glennon alive on Stirling Highway that night..
One of the boys said he did not see any car stop and did not see Ciara Glennon stand with her hands on her knees talking to the occupants of a light coloured car ..
The other boy said to the police that he only saw the break lights of a car come on, but never saw the actual car stop..
He did apparently say
"that girl will go missing tonight"

18th April, 2016 Bartholemeus on websleths.com
Originally Posted by Frankie1972
"There was no car that stopped that night"
"You should call the police and let them know.
Regardless, all 3 girls got into a car. 
It wasn't a boat, helicopter or invisible jet, and they didn't walk to their drop zones. 
They got in a car. So where is the kill zone?"

22/9/1969 Anne Zapelli ex Geraldton sisappeared on 2th of September 1969  who was from Morowa.
had a policeman boyfriend.was  missing walking home from drive-in theatre.
there was a South Australian pedophile in area at time who made some sort of death bed confession,
however one wonders if such confession was to help cover up for the real killer?



Jean Climas has been missing since April, 1969
 

Jean Climas

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/20030809/news/019.shtml
Mosman mystery spans 34 years 

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=6255

Victorian police want information about this woman, who was last seen in Mosman Park in 1969 and known as Jean Climas (or Shaw or Batten).

JEAN CLIMAS
Jean Climas vanished in Mosman Park in 1969


http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=6255

Personal Details At time of disappearance: Missing since 1969 from Mosman Park, Western Australia Employment: Jean worked at a local lunch bar or milk bar in Mosman Park Age:20 Year of birth: Height: 154 cm - 5'1/2" Build: Medium Eyes: Hair: Blonde but may be naturally dark, curly Complexion: Fair Gender: Female Distinguishing Feature: Alias: Jean Shaw, Jean Batten Circumstances: Jean Climas vanished in Mosman Park in 1969. Described as quiet and shy, she was 20 when she moved into a 5 storey block of flats possibly on Murray Avenue 15 minutes walk from Victoria Street (train) Station in Mosman Park and worked in a nearby deli. Miss Climas left her children, aged six months and 18 months, in Bendigo, Victoria with her sister and moved to Mosman Park, in April 1969, in the company of a man. He got a job at Renaware, selling pots and pans, then apparently left Mosman Park alone after a few months and drove north and eventually to South Australia. Jean Climas has not been heard from since her move to Mosman Park, and all efforts to locate her have proven fruitless. Investigators If you have any information concerning this case, please contact: Bendigo, Victoria Police (03) 5440 2540

Raelene Eaton and  Yvonne Waters 

Raelene Eaton and Yvonne Waters
Missing since: 
Sunday, April 7, 1974, Raelene Eaton and Yvonne Waters were both last scene in Scarborough in Western Australia. 

Last seen:Scarborough WA. Jurisdiction:Western Australia

Raelene Eaton's Year of birth:1957

Raelene Eaton's now in 2007 would be around 59 years old , Raelene Eaton's gender is female, Raelene Eaton's high is 150 cm,

Raelene Eaton's Hair is :Black

Raelene Eaton's Eyes are :Hazel

Raelene Eaton's distinguishing features: Has a mole on the left side of her neck, and the bottom centre tooth is fitted with a gold cap.

Circumstances:

Raelene Eaton and Yvonne Waters were last seen at about 6.45pm on 7 April 1974 leaving the White Sands Hotel, Scarborough in the company of three unidentified men.
Nothing has been seen or heard from either girl since that time.
Raelene was last seen wearing a black skirt, pink top, brown platform shoes and carrying a brown shoulder bag.

Ms Shirley Finn was found slumped in a car with four bullets in the back of her head at the Royal Perth Golf Club in 1975.

Shirley Finn: CCC rules out examining brothel madam's murder unless allegations of police misconduct arise

By Stephanie Dalzell - 25 May 2015.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-25/shirley-finn-ccc-rules-out-examining-madam-brothels-murder/6496380

Western Australia's corruption watchdog has ruled out examining the cold case murder of brothel madam Shirley Finn unless allegations of police misconduct arise.

Ms Finn was found slumped in a car with four bullets in the back of her head at the Royal Perth Golf Club in 1975.

At the time, she was being investigated by the taxation office and had threatened to blow the whistle on the payment of kickbacks to various groups to keep her business operating.

A former police officer came forward with claims detectives threatened to kill him if he spoke up about seeing Ms Finn drinking with police on the night of her murder.

There were calls for the Corruption and Crime Commission (CCC) to conduct its own investigation into WA Police's handling of the incident, but in a statement, the watchdog's commissioner John McKechnie said the investigation of a murder was a task for police.

"The remit of the CCC relates to police misconduct, or misconduct by other public officers, either now or in the past," he said.

"Commission officers will meet with WA Police to discuss progress and whether the current investigation has identified any alleged police misconduct and/or reviewable police action.

"I have written to the Commissioner of Police asking for any information that may be relevant to our function.

"If allegations of police misconduct come to light, then we will assess them in the normal way."

missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/a/l/albert%20petronella%20-%20wa.aspx

Glenyce Rae McGowan on FRIDAY, DECEMBER 12, 1975


Glenyce Rae McGowan
 Date of Disappearance:10/12/1975

Age:19 Height (cm): Hair Colour:Brown Eye Colour: Brown Build:Medium Date of Disappearance:10/12/1975 Town/City:Nanturra State:WA Country:Australia Features Circumstances: 19-year-old Glenyce Rae McGowan was travelling from her hometown of Perth, Western Australia to Tom Price,in the north of the state to visit a friend on the night of December 10, 1975. Due to heavy flooding in the area, Glenyce McGowan was forced to camp overnight at a roadhouse near Nanturra,which is north of the town of Carnarvon. Other travellers were also waiting for the roads to claer at the same roadhouse. Glenyce McGowan disappeared from the roadhouse by the next morning. Her car was located where she had initially parked it the night before. There has been no sign of her since that night.




Felicia Wilson

Felicia Wilson went missing  in from the Kwinanna, Western Australia  area in 1979

In January 1979 Felicia Wilson was bashed to death and mutilated behind
the 
Kwinana Shopping Centre.
FELICIA MARIE WILSON, 19
Orelia resident Felicia Wilson’s battered, mutilated body was found behind a shopping centre at Kwinana on January 10, 1979. Felicia Wilson was found dead in 1979.

Felicia Wilson, West Australia.

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.wilson/11084/mb.ashx

Felicia Wilson.

Hi. I am an Australian historian and just discovered your fascinating website on Wilson family history and wonder if anyone can help me with regards to a famous unsolved Australian crime, the 1979 murder of a West Australian girl, Felicia Wilson, 19 of Kwinana which continues to fascinate Australia. Her parents Bevis & Colleen emigrated from the UK in 1967, they had a very large family which I cannot locate which leads me to believe they may have returned to the UK in 1979. 
I have taken the liberty of attaching, here following, a copy of an article I wrote on the subject and if anyone has any info on the case or family I would be very grateful.
 

Cheers. John Godl. Sydney. Australia.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.true-crime/BWLz6ld6Ru0#

The following appears courtesy of The Australian Broadcasting
Corporation news wire:

Fri, 5 Nov 1999 ABC

Hopes computer software may shed light on unsolved murders

Western Austalrian police are using a new computer software package to review information about three 20-year-old murders and the disappearance of Collie girl Lisa Mott.

Mandurah Detective Sergeant Jeff Beaman is heading the effort.

Detective Beaman says a tip about a marked change of behaviour in a man focussed attention on the case of 19-year-old Annette Caroline Deverall, whose body was found near Pinjarra two years after she disappeared from outside the Mandurah Post Office.

"She was seen in that vicinity, last seen, talking to a young, blonde-headed, scruffy-looking fella," Dectective Beaman said.

He says there is now renewed interest in the theory of a serial killer travelling to and from the south-west.

In January 1979 Felicia Wilson was bashed to death and mutilated behind the Kwinana Shopping Centre.

In December 1979 Kerryn Mary Tate's body was found draped over a burning log at Karragullen.

In October 1980 12-year-old Lisa Mott disappeared in Collie after being seen near a yellow panel van.
---------------------------------------------------------
  The following appears courtesy of yesterday's Australian Broadcasting Corporation news wire:

Police probe new leads on series of murders

November 4, 1999

Detectives at Mandurah, 70 kilometres south of Perth, are working on new leads involving the murders of three young women and the disappearance of a young girl.

Sergeant Jeff Beaman says the information specifically relates to the murder of Anette Carolyn Deverall, who was last seen alive outside the Mandurah Post Office in 1980.

Her body was found two years later in burnt out bushland.

Detective Beaman says there are similarities in the Deverall murder with the 

killings of Kerry Tate and Felicia Wilson, in 1979, and the disappearance of 12-year-old Lisa Mott from Collie in 1980.

"They suspect they know the person," he said.

"We've had a look at the file, and when you look at the file and look at all the newspapers it comes to bear that there was three confirmed homicides and one young girl missing, all around the same time.

"I've spoken to other investigators inquiring into it before and they say it's quite possible they could be linked."

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #7 *ARREST

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?323506-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-7-*ARREST*/page23

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?323506-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-7-*ARREST*/page23

Websleuth:
Yes agreed Sutton they must have identified something more and would prob keep on ld, they also probably wouldn't want to advertise that 20 are linked without capture!


Note this one: is this what is referenced in the new video on YouTube?

7/8/1986 Barbara Western ex Vic Park, located 19/3/1991 (cemetery record) Spectacles (south of Perth). Headless torso in roadside ditch

December 1979 - Kerryn Mary Tate found draped over a burning log at Karragullen;

Personal Details
Last seen: 28-Dec-79, Aged: 19 Years at the time of the Murder of Kerryn Mary Tate,
 Year of birth of Kerry Mary Tate was 1957, Kerry Mary Tate's hair and complexion was fair, The gender of Kerryn Mary Tate is Female


Circumstances: Kerryn Tate disappeared from the Perth metropolitan area on the 28th of December 1979. Her remains were found on a burnt tree stump two days later on the 30th of December 1979 at Boulder Rock, off the Brookton Highway east of Perth. A pendant that Kerryn owned was located at the site too and used to help identify her.

KERRYN MARY TATE, 19

Kerryn Tate disappeared from the Perth metropolitan area on the 28th of December 1979. Her remains were found draped over a burnt tree stump off the Brookton Hwy at Boulder Rock two days later. A pendant found at the site was used to help identify her. A pendant found at the site was used to help identify her.

PAULINE WALTER, 22 went missing in June, 1980
in Perth, Western Australia

Pauline Walter was last seen at a Perth backpacker hostel in June 1980. Her headless body was found in a Forrestdale ditch six years later

Sophie Woodman disappeared on the 21st of March 1980 while travelling..
 last known in Vic with young girlfriend who left and went to Qld, Sophie's homebase WA)
 Sophie Woodman

Anette Carolyn Deverall, was last seen alive outside the Mandurah Post Office in 1980.

ANNETTE DEVERELL, 19
Annette Deverell was last seen heading to Mandurah to buy cigarettes on September 13, 1980. Two years later, her burnt, skeletal remains were found in bush at Pinjarra.
 
A shotgun was found nearby and a post mortem examination revealed her skull had been fractured.

Detectives at Mandurah, 70 kilometres south of Perth, are working on new leads involving the murders of three young women and the disappearance of a young girl.

Sergeant Jeff Beaman says the information specifically relates to the murder of Anette Carolyn Deverall, who was last seen alive outside the Mandurah Post Office in 1980.

Annette Deverell - Murder

Ms Deverell was just 19 when she disappeared from outside the Mandurah Post Office on September 13, 1980 after a night out with friends. Her body was found in bushland east of Pinjarra about two years later. 
To date, Annette Deverell murderer has not been found.

http://missingandmurderedaustralia.blogspot.ie/2011/06/annette-deverall-murder.html

AnonymousMay 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM Annette was 19 when she was taken and correct spelling of surname is Deverell.

AnonymousMay 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM Annette was 19 when she was taken and correct spelling of surname is Deverell.

AnonymousAugust 28, 2014 at 3:56 AM There was another report regarding Annette Deverell in 2012. I cannot locate it on the internet now, but kept a copy of it. It read:

There was another report regarding Annette Deverell in 2012. I cannot locate it on the internet now, but kept a copy of it. It read:

"1 Mar 2012 - WA: Murdered woman seen in panel van on night she vanished”

West Australian police have reopened investigations into a woman whose burnt skeletal remains were found in bushland more than 17 years (ago).

Police have revealed 19-year-old ANNETTE DEVERELL was seen riding in a panel van around Mandurah the night she disappeared.

Police reopened the investigation into the baffling murder after a local businesswoman came forward with information about a possible suspect."

The report did not state the colour of the panel van, but Lisa Mott disappeared after last being seen talking to the driver of a yellow panel van in Collie on 30 October 1980. 

I too had an horrific close shave with the driver of a yellow panel van in Mandurah on 5 October 1980. I was then aged 19. I have posted a comment about this incident to this site's webpage on Lisa Mott.
Looking back it can be seen that there were three incidences involving teenagers being abducted in panel vans in the space of six weeks in September/October 1980. Although I managed to get away, clearly Annette and Lisa did not. 

The question of whether there is a link between all three is a worthy one. Although Collie and Mandurah are indeed a great distance from each other, its not uncommon for people to drive such distances relatively frequently.

It would be preferable to have a photo of Annette Deverell up here. People are bound to confuse her with Hayley Dodd as its the only photo showing. It doesn't help that Ms Deverell's surname in frequently misspelled elsewhere, and her age given (at time of disappearance) varies between 16 and 19 years. I think its imperative that care is taken to ensure accuracy in such serious matters.

AnonymousAugust 28, 2014 at 4:58 AM Another example of where the name is wrong:#
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.true-crime/BWLz6ld6Ru0
Here misspelled as 'Annette Caroline Deverall' and even 'Anette Caroline Deverall'.
Here the police are looking at a possible link between:
1. January 1979 - Felicia Wilson found bashed to death and mutilated behind Kwinana Shopping Centre;
2. December 1979 - Kerryn Mary Tate found draped over a burning log at Karragullen; 
3. September 1980 - Annette Deverell disappeared from Mandurah, burnt skeletal remains found in bushland east of Pinjarra approx 2 years later; and4. October 1980 - Lisa Mott disappeared from Collie, remains missing.
 

AnonymousOctober 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM Andrew Garforth, the evil brute that murdered Ebony Simpson in NSW on 19/8/1992 is the chief suspect in the murder of Felicia Wilson. He was living in Orelia at the time, and has continuously reported having nightmares about the murder of Felicia and is able to give authorities details that have not been published. 
Karrakatta cemetery records show Annette was 19 at the time of her death which they record as being 13/9/1980 which is the day of her disappearance although her burnt remains were found a couple of years later on 7/7/1982 near Lake Navarino which is close to Waroona. Not all of her skeletal remains had been recovered as the remains were headless.
There is a lovely photograph of Annette (link below) which was on the front page of the Coastal District Times on 7/1/1977. She is photographed in connection with the Emergency Rescue Water Group selling raffle tickets, in the company of 2 x policeman Jim Carver and Trevor Thomas - the tickets were being sold outside the police station
http://mandurah1976and77.wordpress.com/tag/jim-carver-constable-trevor-thomas-annette-deverell-mandurah/
I find it fascinating that David Birnie's date of birth is 16 February which is day 47. Annette Deverell 13/9/1980 and Lisa Mott 30/10/1980 were taken 47 days apart. Where some of the Birnie victims were buried at Gleneagles, was 313 degrees from The Birnie's Willagee address. 313+47=360. The last surviving victim of the Birnie's escaped on day 313. all the deceased victims of the Birnies were located on day 313. To me there appears to be a pattern.
on 21/3/1980 a young girl named Sophie Woodman also disappeared.

AnonymousOctober 8, 2014 at 7:10 PM Sophie Woodman and a girlfriend had hitched from WA to Victoria. The girlfriend carried on to Qld. Sophie was to meet up with her but failed to do so. 

AnonymousNovember 22, 2014 at 9:13 PM I new Annette and wondered how she could hang out with the wrong types in Mandurah, she was always nice to me when we spoke as she was a friend of my sisters. I hope they do find her killer one day, I don't know about a yellow panel van I always heard about a white one. Considering Mandurah was a surfing town there was a lot of vans as that was the surfers choice of car. I also heard that her body was found off scarp rd, was that correct? 

AnonymousDecember 5, 2014 at 8:47 PM Annette's incomplete remains were recovered in Scarp Road not far from the northern tip of of Lake Navarino (aka Waroona Dam) on 7/8/1982. I have been advised from a reliable source Annette was last seen with a man in a yellow panel van outside the Mandurah post office. I've seen an online article (historic newspaper clip) that shows Annette selling raffle tickets for a sea rescue group and she is the company of 2 police officers. Did Annette have a relative connected to the police service?

AnonymousDecember 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM Brian I hope you don't mind me posting the link to the historic newspaper article which featured Annette on the front cover 7/1/1977. Is it possible to get a clip of her face put on her profile page? 

http://mandurah1976and77.wordpress.com/tag/jim-carver-constable-trevor-thomas-annette-deverell-mandurah/
                                                            

 Lisa Marie Mott
                                                   
                                                Lisa Mott’s father Brian at his Busselton home with a painting of his daughter, who disappeared in 1980 at the age of just 12.  
 
Lisa Mott vanished on October 30, 1980. She was last seen getting into a panel van on Forrest St, Collie, after a basketball game. Her body has never been found
                                                                                          

                                                                                                                         

        

Lisa Marie Mott
Date of Disappearance: 1980/10/30 Age at time of disappearance: 12 years old Height (cm):152 Hair Colour: Brown Eye Colour: Hazel Build: Slim Town/City: Collie State: WA Country: Australia Lisa Mott was last seen at approximately 8.30 pm on Thursday October 30, 1980. She was waiting in the main street of the West Australian town of Collie where she was to be picked up by a family friend and returned home after a basketball game. Lisa was 12-years old. Despite extensive inquiries by police and family and comprehensive media coverage, there has been no information regarding her whereabouts since then. In 2000, Western Australian police reopened the case. 12-year-old Lisa was last seen speaking to a person in a yellow panel van in Forrest Street after a basketball game at about 8.30pm on October 30. Retired CIB detective Reg Driffill, who headed the investigation into Lisa's disappearance, believed serial killer David Birnie should be interviewed by police about the disappearance. David Birnie has since committed suicide. Det-Supt David Caporn, of the major crime division, said an investigation team was following new leads in the case. He had spoken to Mr Driffill about aspects of the case, including information relating to the ownership of yellow panel vans. Det-Supt Caporn said police were reviewing a number of unsolved crimes, including the disappearance of Lisa Mott. If you have any information on this matter, Please contact CrimeStoppers 1800 333 000

Serial killers David and Catherine Birnie are considered suspects in her case however, there maybe another serial killer or killers responsible
for the disappearance of Lisa Marie Mott and other girls in Perth and around Western Australia

SHARON MASON, 14 vanished on the 19th of February 1983 missing 

Perth schoolgirl Sharon Mason vanished on February 19, 1983.
Sharon Mason's butchered body was found by workman under a shed behind a shop run by Arthur Greer later that year.

Greer was convicted of Sharon’s murder in 1994 and received a life sentence.
However, there is a widely held belief that Greer did not kill Sharon and the WA Innocence Project have conducted a long-running campaign to appeal his conviction but his requests for parole have continually been knocked back.
His pro bono lawyer Jonathan Davies has applied to the board to allow Greer parole in light of the new evidence, which may explain his longstanding refusal to accept responsibility for the schoolgirl’s murder.
The evidence uncovered by John Button, who was also wrongly convicted over a murder committed by serial killer Eric Edgar Cooke,
was presented to the Innocence Project in WA and Edith Cowan University law students, as well as criminologists and psychologists.

His years as a builder meant he was able to find a discrepancy about where the plumbing was on the Mosman Park site where Ms Mason’s remains were found.
It is now suggested that the remains were above pipes that were installed after the girl’s disappearance in 1983, and were not located under a shed then belonging to Greer, which was thought to have concealed the burial spot.
Many believe Arthur Greer was wrongly convicted of the murder of Sharon Mason, 14 (above) and that her real killer remains uncaught.


Sharon Fulton disappeared from near the Pearse RAAF Base in Bullsbrook, Western australia, MARCH , 1986

Sharon Fulton
18/3/1986 Sharon Fulton ex East Perth Railway Station missing dropped off by husband. Maybe domestic involvement.

AGE: 39 years HEIGHT: 165cm BUILD: Medium EYES: Green HAIR: Brown shoulder length wavy hair COMPLEXION: Fair To this day a mystery still surrounds the disappearance of mother of four – Sharon Elizabeth FULTON. FULTON was born Sharon Elizabeth HULME on the 31st of May 1946 in Dubbo, New South Wales, the only child of Robert and Betty HULME. When Sharon was 21 years of age she married Maxwell Robert FULTON on the 8th of July at St Paul’s Presbyterian Church in Brisbane. Together, Robert (which he preferred to be called) and Sharon had four children. Robert was employed by the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) and was often posted to RAAF bases both with in Australia and overseas. In February 1983 Robert was transferred to Western Australia where the family took up residence on Readshaw Road in Duncraig while Robert worked at Pearce Air Base in Bullsbrook. It was from this address that Sharon FULTON, aged 39, was reported missing to police on the 21st of March 1986, by her husband who last saw his wife four days earlier on March 18th 1986. Robert reported that he had arrived home from work around Midday on March the 18th to find his wife missing after having had a conversation with her the previous day where she informed him that she needed time to herself. He later told police that he had taken his wife to the East Perth Train Station on this date. Sharon has not been seen or heard of since. At the time of Sharon’s disappearance her children aged 15 yrs, 10 yrs, 7 yrs and 3 yrs, were left to fend for themselves without a mother, never knowing what happened to her. She was described as an enthusiastic person by all that knew her, centring her life on motherhood, and occasionally enjoying times with her friends while following her hobby of ten pin bowling. Now about 26 years on the circumstances surrounding her disappearance still remain a mystery and the tragedy continues to haunt her children and friends who are still searching for answers. Detectives are eager to speak with anyone who knew Sharon Fulton prior to the time that she vanished. If you have any information about Sharon’s disappearance, make a report online or call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000, where all calls are strictly confidential, and rewards are offered.

Between 6/10/1986 - 10/11/1986 there were five known
David and Catherine Birnie abductions with 4 murders and 1 survivor. 


Cheryl Renwick was went missing in South Perth, Western Australia
between the 25th and 26th May, 1986


Cheryl Renwick

Personal Details:
 Cheryl Renwick was Last Seen: 25th of May 1986, Aged 33 in when Cheryl Renrick disappeared, would be aged 63 in 2016, Height : 162 cm, Hair: Light Brown, Eyes: Blue, Complexion: Fair, Last seen Wearing: Dark tartan skirt, pink skivvy, brown boots

Circumstances: Cheryl RENWICK went missing from her South Perth unit overnight under unusual circumstances, between the 25th and 26th of May, 1986. Despite extensive inquiries by Police and family and comprehensive media coverage, there has been no information regarding her whereabouts since then.Concern is held for her welfare.

Barbara Western was last seen leaving a Perth pub
on the Albany Highway, Victoria Park, Western Australia,
on the 26th of June, 1986...
.
the 38-year-old mother of two was known to hitch hike home ... 





Barbara Western was last seen drinking at a pub on the Albany Highway on June 26, 1986.
Barbara Western was last seen drinking at a pub on the Albany Highway on June 26, 1986... .
the 38-year-old mother of two was known to hitchhike home ...
 

Barbara Western's skeletal remains were eventually found in bush near Karragullen.


Barbara Western was last seen drinking at a pub on the Albany Highway on June 26, 1986. Barbara Western
Barbara Western's skeletal remains were eventually found in bush near Karragullen.
 Suspicion also fell on the Birnies, who are considered suspects in this case.
But it may well be that the Birnies are not responsible  when one considers that the Biries tended to bury their victims in a shallow grave,
thus if the Birnies were responsible for the abduction and murder of Barbara Western then, it would be likely that her skeletal remains would not be found, unless the Birnies told the police where they were and at the same time admitted responsibility of the abduction and murder of Barbara Western.


Victoria Clarke a 30-year-old was murdered in her home on Leonard Street, Victoria Park in April, 1987
Masters raped and murdered 30-year-old Victoria Clarke in her home on Leonard St, Victoria Park, in April 1987.

 

David Troy Masters. Photo courtesy of Australian Police Journal.

Masters murdered 21-year-old British tourist Fiona Carty in a backpackers’ lodge in Katherine in the Northern Territory.
 Masters had also strangled her after attempting to rape her. He was arrested and charged with Ms Carty’s murder in June 1991.
Masters was sentenced to life in jail for the murder and attempted rape of Ms Carty. In 1998,
 he was extradited to WA and handed a second life imprisonment term for killing Ms Clarke, with a seven-year non-parole period.


Sally Beatrix Greenham



Sally Beatrix Greenham went missing on the 20th August, 1987

Sally Beatrix Greenham was allegedly last seen in the early hours of the 20th of August, 1987
 in Adelaide Terrace, Perth, alighting from a vehicle.

Age: 43 years Height: 166 cm Hair: Brown Eyes: Brown

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/SallyGreenham.htm

Sally GREENHAM was a resident of Geraldton. Sally GREENHAM
Sally Greenham was allegedly last seen in the early hours of the 20th of August, 1987 in Adelaide Terrace, Perth,
alighting from a vehicle. Despite extensive inquiries by Police and family and comprehensive media coverage,
there has been no information regarding her whereabouts since then. Concern is held for her welfare. 


Last seen: Unknown

If anyone has seen Sally Beatrix GREENHAM , or has information regarding this persons whereabouts, please contact 1800 333 000

Lisa Joyce Scultz went missing in Collie in 1987.
Lisa Joyce Scultz was a blond girl

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #11


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?326587-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-11&p=13062429&styleid=21


 Julie Leanne Cutler  

Cottesloe Beach were Julie Cutler's car was found in the surf

  • Missing since:Monday, June 20, 1988
  • Last seen:Perth WA
  • Jurisdiction:WA
  • Year of birth:1965
  • Age now:51
  • Gender:Female
  • Ethnicity:Caucasian
  • Height:162cm
  • Build:Medium
  • Hair:Dark, Brown
  • Complexion:Fair
  • Eyes:Blue/green

Circumstances:

Julie Cutler was last seen at 12.30am on 20 June 1988 leaving the Parmelia Hilton Hotel, WA, after a staff function. Her car was found two days later in the sea off Cottesloe Beach.
She was last seen wearing a black evening dress with a high collar and gold buttons on the shoulder and black patent shoes.
Despite extensive inquiries by police and family and comprehensive media coverage, there has been no information regarding her whereabouts since.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Julie please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

There was an attempted abduction and of a girl from
 the Cottesloe Hotel, Perth, Western Australia in 1989.

This attempted abduction has been report in the Subiaco Post Newspaper on the 14th of November, 2015 as per the below article

https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831/POST-Newspaper-for-14th-of-November-2015







Kerry Turner 
went missing from Victoria Park, Western Australia on June 30, 1991

Kerry Turner's family pleads for answers 25 years after daughter's body found in bush

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-28/kerry-turner-family-plead-for-help-25-years-after-perth-murder/7549252

ABC Radio Perth  By David Weber 28 Jun 2016

The parents of a murdered Perth woman have joined police in a renewed plea for help to catch her killer nearly 25 years after their daughter was last seen alive.

Key points:

  • Kerry Turner's body found near Canning Dam after night out in Perth
  • Her parents say they have not had closure
  • Police urge anyone with information to contact Crime Stoppers

The body of Kerry Turner, 18, was discovered in late July 1991 hidden behind a log in bushland in the Canning Dam area.

She was last seen getting into a car on Shepperton Road in East Victoria Park after a night out four weeks earlier.

The murder case is still open.

Ms Turner's father, John Turner, said he and his wife thought about Kerry every day, and said there was a "giant hole" in their lives.

"My wife Sue and I, we both feel as though we haven't had proper closure," he told 720 ABC Perth.

"We miss our Kerry so much and her tragic loss has left a gaping hole in our family that can never be filled, but we would really appreciate it if someone could come forward and provide information to Crime Stoppers."

Ms Turner had gone to Pinocchio's night club in Perth's Murray Street on the evening of Saturday June 29 with a girlfriend, but they became separated and police say Kerry mingled with different people during the night.

She caught a taxi from Murray Street to go home about 4:00am the following morning. The driver dropped Kerry off on the Causeway when he learned she did not have money for the fare.

Witnesses saw Ms Turner sitting on the curb on the Causeway and trying to hitch a ride.

She was eventually picked up by another taxi which dropped her off about 5:00am on Shepperton Road, opposite what is now Conca's Italian Restaurant.

Soon afterwards, a vehicle described by witnesses as similar to a dark-coloured or blue Datsun sedan pulled up next to Ms Turner. Another witness described the vehicle as a fawn-coloured sedan with spoked wheels.

Kerry was seen entering the car on the passenger side, and it continued south on Shepperton Road.

'She never came home'

Mr Turner said he did not know at the time Kerry was trying to hitchhike home.

"I always went out at any time to pick up my daughter and she knew that. So we don't know why she decided to hitchhike, but she did," he said.

"She never came home and you can imagine how that was for us. We were frantic, we were really worried for her safety."

Mr Turner said he thought it was likely the teenager knew the person driving the vehicle that she got into.

"[Kerry] was a lovely, bubbly person, a very happy person, I don't think she had any fear ... she was a close family member just doing the stuff that teenagers did," he said.

"And she didn't deserve to have happen to her what happened to her."

Investigators suspect there are still people who know what happened to Ms Turner, and believe someone who may have felt intimidated or uncomfortable coming forward in the 1990s may now be in a position to do so.

Anyone with information has been urged to contact call Crime Stoppers.


'She accepted a lift and never seen again': Unsolved murder of teen Kerry Turner

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/she-accepted-a-lift-and-never-seen-again-unsolved-murder-of-teen-kerry-turner-20160628-gptg4f.html

JUNE 28 2016 Heather McNeill

Thursday marks 25 years since 18-year-old Perth teenager Kerry Turner, on her way home from a night out in the city, accepted a lift from a driver in Victoria Park and was never seen alive again.

On the anniversary of her murder, her father John Turner has made an emotional plea for anyone with information to come forward, telling Radio 6PR presenter Gary Adshead on Tuesday there wasn't a day that went by that he didn't think of his beloved daughter.

"With Kerry, she was a bright and bubbly 18-year-old - like they are - beautiful looking girl and she was full of confidence and had no fear of anything," he said.

"We miss her so much... it's just left a giant hole in our family."


Kerry Turner.  

Kerry Turner disappeared on June 30, 1991, after accepting a lift in Victoria Park. 

The death of Kerry was the second tragedy for John and his wife Sue, who immigrated to Perth from the UK in 1970 for a better life.

In 1985, their son, Jamie, 18, died after being injected with drugs by a man who was later convicted of his manslaughter.

Six years later, on June 30, 1991, Kerry, their youngest daughter, went missing.

Her body was found four weeks later by a member of the public in bushland near Canning Dam. 

"This particular day, [Kerry] had been in touch with mum and told her she was coming home for dinner," Mr Turner said.

"She rang a bit later on and said there was a change of plans and [Kerry and her friend Kylie] were going out together into the city, and of course mum said 'be careful', all the usual things that mums say.

"We didn't know that she was hitchhiking, she had a car, we'd bought her a car, but she obviously hitchhiked instead of driving her car because they were probably going to have a few drinks or something."

When Kerry became separated from her friend, and did not have enough taxi money to get her home, unknowingly, her fate was sealed.

"The taxi driver dropped her in Victoria Park ata lit up all-night cafe," Mr Turner said.

"She was walking across the street and a car sped up and stopped behind her on Shepparton Road

"The person in the car called out and Kerry turned around and walked back to the car, spoke to the person, and then got in the car and left and that was the last time she was seen alive that we know of."

Police hunted for the vehicle, described by witnesses as a dark blue car, similar to a Datsun 260C, which had spoked wheels, but came up empty handed.

It was one of the few leads they had into Kerry's disappearance.

"It's just mystifying that she would be so positively walking around the back of the car and getting in [unless she knew the person]," Mr Turner said.

"It's very awful, we think about it every single day, there's never a day that goes by that a thought about Kerry doesn't come into my mind."

Mr Turner has pleaded for anyone with information into what happened to Kerry to come forward.

"Whatever it is, no matter how small it might be... if they've got any information that might be relevant, please bring it forward," he said.

"There is definitely a good chance I think of something coming from the continued and renewed vigour of investigation.

"We remain hopeful and we know that there are people that know something."

Alex Turner, the brother of Kerry Turner
went missing on the 23rd of June 1991,
who appears to have been murder in a homophobic attack


 

Radina Marie Djukich disappeared on SATURDAY, MAY 16, 1992



Radina Marie Dyukich

 Radina Marie DJUKICH

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Djukich.htm

Missing since May 16, 1992 from Perth, Western Australia. 

Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: July 29 1977

Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3" - 160 cm.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blue eyes, auburn hair.
Marks, Scars: She has a noticeable turned left eye.
Clothing: Blue jeans ("JAG" brand), red jumper and sports shoes.
Shockingly custody of Radina Marie Djukich had been handed to known pedophile through court system.
 The pedophile subsequently convicted of murder of woman in following year.



Circumstances of Disappearance 
Radina Djukich was reported missing by Ronald Joseph Buckland on May 16, 1992, six weeks after she was released into his care after an appearance in the Children's Court. 
At the time, Buckland was on parole after serving part of a six-year sentence for breaking and entering. He had an extensive criminal record, including convictions for assault and armed robbery. In 1982, he had been declared an habitual criminal. 
Buckland was not Radina's father in any legal sense, yet the Children's Court released her on a $1000 surety with the condition that she lived with Buckland and observed a 7pm to 7am curfew. 
When she disappeared Buckland said she had run away interstate. 
A year later, Buckland murdered his 18-year-old girlfriend, Vicki Robinson, after an argument, and buried her body in bush near Yanchep. He is serving a 20-year sentence for the crime. 
In 1996, Buckland told police Radina had been murdered but denied responsibility. He led officers on an unsuccessful search for her body around the Star Swamp in the Perth suburb of North Beach.

SATURDAY, MAY 16, 1992 

Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old Last Seen: May 16, 1992 Location Perth, Western Australia. Classification: Missing Date Of Birth: July 29 1977 Height: 5'3" - 160 cm. Distinguishing Characteristics: She has a noticeable turned left eye. White female. Blue eyes, Auburn hair. Last Seen Wearing: Blue jeans ("JAG" brand), red jumper and sports shoes. Circumstances: Radina Djukich was reported missing by Ronald Joseph Buckland on May 16, 1992, six weeks after she was released into his care after an appearance in the Children's Court. At the time, Buckland was on parole after serving part of a six-year sentence for breaking and entering. He had an extensive criminal record, including convictions for assault and armed robbery. In 1982, he had been declared an habitual criminal. Buckland was not Radina's father in any legal sense, yet the Children's Court released her on a $1000 surety with the condition that she lived with Buckland and observed a 7pm to 7am curfew. When she disappeared Buckland said she had run away interstate. A year later, Buckland murdered his 18-year-old girlfriend, Vicki Robinson, after an argument, and buried her body in bush near Yanchep. He is serving a 20-year sentence for the crime. In 1996, Buckland told police Radina had been murdered but denied responsibility. He led officers on an unsuccessful search for her body around the Star Swamp in the Perth suburb of North Beach. Radina's mother, Christine Djukich, wants to know why her daughter was released into the care of a violent offender who claimed to be her father. If you have any information or sightings please contact Crimestoppers on 1800 333 000.

Cariad Slater missing  on the 13th of July 1992 from
67a Rosewood Ave Woodlands, Western Australia.

A man charged and convicted; case going through appeal process.
 Located in yard he lived in and address where taxi had dropped her off at.

 Debra Donachy at aged 46 years old went missing in 1992
 from Armadale, Western Australia


 

Alex Turner brother of Kerry Turner went missing 23rd of June 1991
 who appears to have been murdered in a homophobic attack. 

      In 1994 Jan 1 woman driving home from Club Bay View fights off man
      who dragged her from her car and tried to
       rape her near the Claremont subway 

     1994 May 23 Pamela Lawrence is murdered at her shop in Mosman Park. Andrew Mark Mallard is wrongfully convicted of her murder in 1995. 
    Andrew Mallard is ultimately cleared... some 12 years later .. and paid $3.25 compensation by the Western Australian Government for having
     to spend 12 years wrongfully in jail for a murder he was wrongfully found guilty of as a result an misleading evidence presented at his trial
       by police and the Director of Public Prosecutions



       1994 Oct A 31-year-old woman breaks her ankle when she leaps from
         a speeding taxi on Princess Road after the driver and another man try to attack her



Karen Skinner went missing at the age of 20 years old in 1995  
from Kardinya, Western Australia                           

                                               Josephine Jennings 

https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/who-missing/wa/jennings-josephine

                                                                               Missing since:Friday, September 1, 

L                          Last seen:Kalgoorlie Western Australia, Jusidiction: Western Australia- date of Birth 1964
                                     
                              in 2006 Josephine Jennings in 52 years old and hight is 165cm
             with brown hair and tanned complexion- tanned complexion and brown eyes

Ag

                                   Distinguishing features:Has a tattoo ' I love You' on the inside of her left ankle;
                                a large scar from her left ear to her mouth; and a large burn mark on her right calf.

                    Circumstances:

Josephine Jennings was last seen in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia around September 1995.
She has not been in contact with any family or friends in that time.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Josephine please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

                             

                                                    Josephine Jennings

         

        I have a good memory for some things, but a lot eludes me, trust me on that! 
I do just remember something about the Dalziel St murder (must of been the flats, as the only other house was 'the sandy mans' from memory). However, some details of the other one I'm recalling are more clear to me. 
Ok, I can tell you this. The girl was found in the house at 1995 Albany Hwy Maddington, which was diagonally opposite what used to be Stokley station. I can not recall her name, however I know that on my school group someone had mentioned the fact 'so & so' had been murdered and I asked "was that in the house opposite Stokley station?" and he'd confirmed it was (this convo was some years ago now).

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia #10 P.1

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325918-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-10

Tilbury was convicted in 1971 for the murder of Lynette Robeson and again in 1989 for the murder of Vanessa Devlin.


   1996 Feb Police confirm they have received reports of bogus taxis in Perth. 


       1996 Mar 3rd a 21-year-old woman is bashed and indecently
         assaulted in Church Lane behind Club Bay View. 




                              Sarah Ellen Spiers
Sarah Spiers has been missing since Saturday the 27th of January, 1996 and was last seen in Claremont,Western Australia
Sarah Spiers is a Caucasian female who was born in 1977 and would be around 39 years of age in the year 2016.
Sarah Spiers has a height of 160cm and has blonde shoulder length hair and has a fair complexion, with green eyes.
Sarah Spiers has a distinguishing feature which a small scar on her forehead and on the tip of her nose.

  • Ms Sara Spiers went missing from outside a Claremont nightclub in January 27, 1996.
    Circumstances of the disappearance of Sarah Spiers:
    Sarah Spiers was last seen in the early hours of Saturday, 27 January 1996 after leaving Club Bay View, St Quentins Avenue, Claremont.
    She left the night club at approximately 1:30am. At 2:06am it is known that Sarah called a taxi from the telephone booth at the corner of Stirling Road and Stirling Highway, Claremont. A taxi arrived minutes later however Sarah was not there.
    Despite extensive inquiries by Police and family and comprehensive media coverage, there has been no information regarding her whereabouts since this time. Sarah was last seen wearing a light coloured t-shirt, beige shorts, black denim jacket. Concerns are held for her safety and welfare.
    If you have information that may assist police to locate Sarah please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

Jane Rimmer was 23 when she went missing in 1996 after a night out in Claremont

Jane Rimmer was 23 when she went missing in 1996 after a night out in Claremont

Ms Rimmer, 23, was abducted from Claremont in June 1996 and her body found in bushland south of Perth that August.
Students say they saw Jane Rimmer hitchhiking on Stirling Highway, Claremont near Loch Street at around 12.30 am, the description of what Jane Rimmer was wearing matched the unreleased description the police had so it seems quite certain that it was Jane Rimmer hitchhiking on Stirling Highway near Loch Street. The students had been to an event at the Claremont Yatch Club.
12.30 am would have been about the time it would have taken for Jane Rimmer to walk from Bay View Terrace to around Loch Street on Stirling Highway.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?294704-Claremont-Serial-Killer-Media-Timelines-Photos-*NO-DISCUSSION*/page10
Title: We Saw Jane Rimmer Hitchhiking - Student
Author:Andrew Clennell
Date: 19 June 1996
Publisher: Community Times, News Chronical, Nedlands Edition.

Title: We Saw Jane Rimmer Hitching - Uni Student says
Author: Andrew Clennell Date: 19th June, 1996
Publisher: Community Times, News Chronical, Nedlands Edition
University student Emma Clayton and her friends almost picked up a blonde girl she is sure was Jane Rimmer early on the Sunday Morning Jane Rimmer disapeared.
Miss Clayton (21 years old uni student) said she saw the girl staggering along Stirling Highway, thumb out, hitching a lift at 12.30 am. Emma Clayton told police about the incident and her description of the cloths Jane was wearing matched that of a police description which had not been released to the media. Mis Clayton said she and her friends had been in Stirling Highway after leaving a 21st birthday party at Claremont Yacht Club. "Down near Lock Street we saw a girl Hitchhiking," she said. The Girl had her thumb out and we just slowed down and thought maybe we should pick her up but didn't." The conversation between the two couples in the car had been that she was a silly girl for trying to hitch in the area and they discussed whether they should pick the girl up. The decided at the last minute to move on. "we said of all placed for a girl to be hitchhiking alone, this was probably the worst," Miss Clayton said. She said initially, after she had heard of Jane Rimmer's disappearance, she felt guilty that that hadn't picked her up. "If we had picked her up things would have been a lot different, " Miss Clayton said. When she and her friends saw the girl there were no other cars on the Stirling Highway ...



more about 2004 Schramm review of police and macro force forensics

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1239582.htm

in 2004, Father of CG talks about finding perpetrator

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2004/s1236822.htm

Transcript from 2004 discussing Scramm Review

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1257731.htm

"PAUL SCHRAMM: We've found further opportunities to investigate. Naturally, when you have an investigation of this size and you have something like 33,000 pieces of, or 36,000 pieces of information received in a couple of weeks, when we have gone through some of that information, we believe that there are aspects that could be further explored."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watc...-arrest/#page1
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Ciara Glennon was 27 when she disappeared in March 1997 in upmarket Claremont in Perth

Ciara Glennon was 27 when she disappeared in March 1997 in upmarket Claremont in Perth

Ms Glennon, 27, disappeared on March 15 1997. Her body was found in bushland north of Perth 19 days after she was last seen in Claremont.

Disappearance in 1997 of 21-year-old Kimberley woman Sara-Lee Davey from Broome.


Another murder allegedly mentioned in the suicide note was of Sara-Lee Davey - who has been on the national missing persons list since she vanished in 1997.

The former navy mechanic was also a suspect in the 1997 disappearance of 21-year-old Kimberley woman Sara-Lee Davey from Broome.
 

 Dorrough was questioned over her disappearance at the time.

SWara lee Davey was last seen: Tuesday, 14 January 1997 Year of birth: 1973 Height: 175cm Build: Slim Eyes: Brown Hair: Black Complexion:Olive Gender: Female Distinguishing Feature: Circumstances Sara was last seen driving a four wheel drive type vehicle in Saville Street, Broome at 5.00 pm on Tuesday January 14, 1997. This is the last known location that she visited in Broome prior to her disappearance. Despite extensive inquiries by police and family her whereabouts are not known

 

SUNDAY, JUNE 22, 1997 Peta Simonw Weber went missing in Albay, Western Australia

Peta Simone Weber

Age: 25 Years Height: 152 cm Hair: Blonde Eyes: Blue Circumstances: Peta WEBER and her husband were fishing off The Gap, Albany at 0645 hrs, on the 22nd of June 1997. Peta went off to the toilet and has not been seen since. Despite extensive inquiries, Police have been unable to locate her. Last seen:Black leggings, purple/blue parker with hood, ugg boots or white shoes. If anyone has seen Peta Simone WEBER , or has information regarding this persons whereabouts, please contact 1800 333 000


In around August, 1997 Gerard Ross was abducted while visiting Perth with his family from the country town of Newman.

Gerard Ross murder: Fresh leads discovered in schoolboy cold case

 TUE JAN 1

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-17/gerard-ross-child-murder-cold-case-breakthrough-in-rockingham/8187552

PHOTO 

Gerard Ross was abducted while visiting Perth with his family from the country town of Newman.

Several new persons of interest have been identified in the unsolved murder of an 11-year-old schoolboy in Perth, police say.

Key points:

  • Gerard Ross was abducted and killed in 1997 while holidaying in Perth with his family
  • Police say they have new 'persons of interest' following a cold case review
  • Police want to speak with man who approached another young boy on the same road before the abduction

Gerard Ross was abducted while on a family holiday in Rockingham in 1997.

His body was found dumped in a pine plantation near Baldivis and Stakehill roads 20 kilometres away, 14 days later after several unconfirmed sightings.

WA Police have made a fresh appeal to the public to help find his killer following a cold-case review which began in 2014.

Since then the Special Crime Squad has been working through the review recommendations and opened up new lines of inquiry which police hope will lead to a breakthrough, Acting Detective Inspector Jon Munday said.

"This was a crime that shocked all West Australians," Acting Inspector Munday said.

PHOTO Acting Detective Inspector Jon Munday has called for public help.

ABC NEWS: CHARLOTTE HAMLYN

"Despite the passage of time the WA Police remain committed to resolving this matter and bringing the killer or killers to justice, as well as providing some closure for the Ross family."

Police say several new persons of interest have been identified, but would not give any information about who they were or their possible links to the case.

"We believe there are still people in the community who know what happened to Gerard," Acting Inspector Munday said.

"I would ask them that, given the passage of time or changes in circumstances or allegiances, [they] please reconsider and come forward.

"Ask yourself 'what if it was my child or what if it was my grandchild'."

Driver asked to come forward

Police have released an image of a hat worn by Gerard, that was never recovered from the scene, which they hope may have been spotted by the public, or jog someone's memory.

PHOTO The hat that was never recovered in the Gerard Ross abduction and murder cold case.

SUPPLIED: WA POLICE

They are also trying to identify the driver of a beige or cream sedan that reportedly approached a young boy waiting at a Kent Street bus stop near the Rockingham public library a few weeks before Gerard disappeared.

"We don't have a precise date, but in August 1997 a male driver pulled over at the bus stop and asked the 11-year-old if he wanted a lift," Acting Inspector Munday said.

"When the boy declined, the man drove away."

"The vehicle and its driver have never been identified due to the vague description provided but we are still keen to speak to that person, if only to eliminate him from the investigation."

WA Police say they have collected more than 5,000 pieces of physical evidence in the long-running investigation and have spoken to almost 1,200 witnesses.

In 1998, the WA Government offered a $100,000 reward for information about Gerard's murder, and that offer still remains in place, according to police.

Police also ruled out any link to the death of Queensland teenager Daniel Morcombe who disappeared in similar circumstances on the Sunshine Coast in 2003.

Brett Peter Cowan, who was born in Western Australia, was convicted of that murder after an eight-year investigation. Police said Cowan was in custody in Queensland at the time of Gerard's murder.

'He will never experience the joy in sharing his love'

PHOTO Gerard Ross would have turned 31 this year, his mother said.

Gerard's mother Cyrese, who now lives in Scotland, released a statement.

"Gerard would have turned 31 last November and has sadly missed out on so much life," she said.

"He will never experience the joy in sharing his love, creative talent and sense of humour with his niece or when starting his own family. "We make this appeal on behalf of Gerard, and ask you to provide any information, no matter how small or insignificant. "Please come forward as it can make the difference to Gerard's life and give him the justice he deserves."


Lisa Jane Brown has been missing since 12.30am on 10 November 1998 from the Palmerston Street, Perth City area
Lisa Brown was a street worker and mother-of-two who vanished on October 11, 1998 and is believed to have been murdered.
She was last seen looking for clients in the Lake Street area of Perth.
Sex worker and mum-of-two Lisa Brown, 21, is believed to have been murdered by a serial killer
Sex worker and mum-of-two Lisa Brown, 21, is believed to have been murdered by a serial killer

Lisa Jane Brown, is a female who has been missing since Tuesday the 10th of November,1998.
Lisa Jane Brown was last seen in Northbridge, Perth, Western Australia.
Lisa Jane Brown was born in the year 1979, and in the year 2006 would be around 38 years old.
Lisa Jane Brown is 175cm and is of slim build, and has dark blonde hair and has a fair complexion.
Lisa Jane Brown's eyes are brown.


Circumstances of the disappearance of Lisa Jane Brown:

Lisa Brown has been missing since 12.30am on 10 November 1998 from the Palmerston Street, Perth City area.
She was last seen wearing casual blue denim jeans, a black T-shirt and black high heeled boots.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Lisa please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

JENNIFER WILBY, who disappeared in May 1999,
Jennifer Wilby's remains were found in a shallow bushgrave
at Karragullen, 40km south-eat of Perth on the 4th of August, 2011.


WA: Man in court over murder of massage parlour worker

http://formyassetmanagement.blogspot.ie/2012/03/wa-man-in-court-over-murder-of-massage.html

WA: Man in court over murder of massage parlour worker

A 24-year-old man has appeared in a Perth court charged with the murder of a massageparlour worker who disappeared three years ago.

DENNIS IAN BELL was not required to enter a plea in the Perth magistrate's Court over the murder of 23-year-old JENNIFER WILBY, who disappeared in May 1999.

The charge against BELL followed the discovery of Ms WILBY's remains in a shallow bushgrave at Karragullen, 40km south-east of Perth, on August 4.

BELL was arrested early last Friday in the inner Melbourne suburb of South Yarra.

He was charged with the murder in Melbourne and extradited to Perth to appear in court today.

BELL's been remanded in custody to reappear on September 6.

AAP RTV lk/alm/sd/rp

KEYWORD: BELL (PERTH)

WA: Man charged over death of massage parlour worker

http://uhxc1.blogspot.ie/2012/03/wa-man-charged-over-death-of-massage.html

A 24-year-old man will appear in a Melbourne magistrates court today charged with murderinga Perth massage parlour worker whose remains have been found three years after she wentmissing.

Melbourne police arrested the man, from the Perth suburb of Maylands, shortly aftermidnight eastern time.

He's been charged him with the murder of 23-year-old JENNIFER WILBY.

Ms WILBY'S remains were found by bushwalkers at Karragullen, south of Perth, on Sunday.

She was reported missing in May 1999.

The man charged over her murder was arrested in South Yarra.

Police will ask that he be remanded in custody to allow time for Perth officers toarrive in the Victorian capital to seek his extradition.

AAP RTV sd/dl

KEYWORD: REMAINS (PERTH)


HAYLEY MARIE DODD Missing Since July 29, 1999
Personal Details
Status: Unknown (Missing, believed murdered)
Year of birth: 1981
When Last seen: Thursday, 29 July 1999
Occupation: Roust-a-bout
Age: 17
Height: 155 cm
Build: Slim
Eyes: Grey
Hair: Brown
Complexion: Fair
Gender: Female
Distinguishing Feature: 
Racial Appearance: Caucasian


 

http://missingandmurderedaustralia.blogspot.ie/2011/06/hayley-marie-dodd.html

Personal Details
Status: Unknown (Missing, believed murdered)
Year of birth: 1981
When Last seen: Thursday, 29 July 1999
Occupation: Roust-a-bout
Age: 17
Height: 155 cm
Build: Slim
Eyes: Grey
Hair: Brown
Complexion: Fair
Gender: Female
Distinguishing Feature: 
Racial Appearance: Caucasian


Updated 22 June 2011.
Circumstances: Whilst walking and getting lifts to get to her new job, Hayley made a telephone call at about 10.30am on Thursday 29 July 1999. She was then given a lift by a lady to the North West Road, Badgingarra, WA. At around an hour later at 11.35AM she was sighted by a motorist on the North West Road walking towards the farm where she was going. That was the last reported sighting of Hayley. 

At the time of her disappearance Hayley was wearing, light brown hiking boots, blue denim jeans, black v-neck top, grey men's jacket with a hood, silver sunglasses and carrying a light brown backpack with the word " EQUIP" on the flap. 

There has been no trace of Hayley since the morning of 29 July 1999. The only information about what may have transpired has been from convicted prisoners who are making self serving statements about comments allegedly made by other prisoners. This is undoubtedly compounding the pain felt by Hayley's family.

The general consensus is that sometime after her disappearance Hayley died as a result of foul play and her body dumped. This is based on the unsigned statements of convicted thieves, liars and murderers and statistical results of other disappearances.  

The Dodd family are a wonderful caring family seeking nothing more than to have answers to their daughters disappearance. If you have any information or suspicions in this case please act on them as a matter of urgency. 

___________________________________

Hayley Dodd's mum pins last hopes on cadaver dog

By Vanessa Schmitt, Mandurah Coastal Times 22/Jun/2011

 Margaret Dodd.

Exclusive: A CADAVER dog arrived in WA from Queensland on Monday to search the area around Badgingarra for missing Mandurah teenager Hayley Dodd.
Margaret Dodd said labrador Baz was her last port of call in searching for her daughter Hayley, who disappeared while hitchhiking in July 1999.

After a police investigation failed to shed light into what happened to the 17-year-old, Mrs Dodd tried Aboriginal trackers, a private detective, a geographic profiler and clairvoyants to find answers.

With all other avenues exhausted, she said everything was pinned on the cadaver dog.

“It will be 12 years since Hayley went missing on July 29, but I hope we won’t get to that date without finding her.”

Mrs Dodd said cadaver dogs were trained to track bones and could find body remains after many years.

Mrs Dodd has been planning to use the cadaver dog for a year. 

Her family raised money for airfares and accommodation, while dog handler Martin Dominick offered his services free of charge.

___________________________________

Missing teen's mother unaware of killer's confession
By NICOLE COX From: The Sunday Times October 09, 2010 10:00PM 

HAYLEY Dodd's heartbroken mother says she will never give up on finding out what happened to her daughter, despite an 11-year lapse since the teenager's disappearance. 

Margaret Dodd said her family had painstakingly mounted independent searches for Hayley, desperate for answers amid concerns that police had bungled the investigation.

They also called for a coronial inquest, but a date is yet to be set.

Hayley was 17 when she was last seen walking along North West Rd near Badgingarra in the WA wheatbelt on July 29, 1999, after picking up a lift while hitch-hiking.

Mrs Dodd said she was angry that police had not kept her abreast of developments in the case, including the latest man to come forward with a claim convicted killer Robin David Macartney had confessed to being involved in Hayley's disappearance.

She said police had only confirmed the development to her when she questioned them after being alerted by The Sunday Times.

"Whoever is responsible for Hayley disappearing is still out there and I still desperately want them to be caught," Mrs Dodd said. "I get annoyed. Police should be telling me everything. I shouldn't be hearing it from the media."

Macartney, who is serving a life sentence for the murder of Lalita Horsman in Geraldton in December 1999, has long been considered a suspect in Hayley's disappearance. But police have been unable to pinpoint his precise movements on the day she went missing.

Mrs Dodd said she did not believe police had done everything they could to rule Macartney out of their investigation into Hayley's disappearance.

In 2005, Mrs Dodd and her husband Ray visited Macartney four times in Casuarina Prison after the killer requested a meeting, claiming he had information about Hayley's case. During the meetings, he denied having anything to do with Hayley's disappearance but named a person whom he believed had not only killed Hayley, but was also responsible for Ms Horsman's murder.

Macartney also sent Mrs Dodd a copy of a police videotape, which showed graphic footage of the police recovery of Ms Horsman's body, to which he had controversially gained access in preparation for an appeal against his conviction.

Mrs Dodd severed contact with Macartney.

"I felt like he was playing with us, trying to give us hope but not coming through with any genuine information," she said. "I don't sit there and cry anymore. I listen to the information and then try to see if there is any truth to it ...We want to know where she is, we need to know."

WA Police declined to comment on Mrs Dodd's claims of police bungling.
__________________________________
POLICE are investigating Hayley breakthrough
NICOLE COX Police Reporter Sunday Times October 09, 2010  

POLICE are investigating a startling breakthrough in the 11-year hunt for missing teenager Hayley Dodd, amid claims a convicted killer confessed to his involvement in her murder. 
The Sunday Times can today reveal the Special Crime Squad has received new information about Hayley's suspected abduction and murder, one of WA's most mysterious cases.

A released prisoner has come forward claiming Robin David Macartney confessed to killing the 17-year-old.

Macartney, who is serving a life sentence for the murder of Lalita Horsman in Geraldton in December 1999, has long been considered a suspect in Hayley's disappearance, but police have been unable to pinpoint his precise movements on the day she went missing.

The released prisoner claims Macartney, who is known by his middle name David, told him he had killed Hayley because she would not have sex with him.

In an earlier conversation it is claimed Macartney told the former inmate he knew the whereabouts of Hayley's body.

In a copy of the former prisoner's statement to police, made to Det-Sgt Geoff Buck on August 27 this year and seen by The Sunday Times, the released prisoner also claims:

* He found a file of newspaper clippings about Hayley and two articles stuck on the wall of Macartney's Casuarina Prison cell while snooping when Macartney was in hospital in 2009.

* A photograph of Hayley's mother, Margaret, was uncovered in Macartney's cell with holes in her face that appeared to have been made with a pen. The word "bitch" was scawled above her name.

* He overheard Macartney discussing Hayley's disappearance with at least two other inmates at the jail, each time recounting that he had been different distances from where Hayley was last sighted on the day she disappeared.

The Sunday Times has strong information that police and prison authorities conducted at least two raids of Macartney's cell in recent weeks and that items had been seized from his living quarters.

While police said the cell raids were not related to the Hayley Dodd case, Mrs Dodd said detectives had confirmed to her they had been investigating the new claims for about two months and had searched Macartney's cell.

Mrs Dodd, who visited Macartney in jail in 2005 after he contacted her saying he had information about Hayley's disappearance, said she was only alerted to the heightened police investigation after inquiries made by The Sunday Times.

Police contacted her again on Friday asking her not to comment publicly on the latest claims.

But she described as "disturbing" the account that Macartney had news clippings of Hayley in his cell.

Hayley vanished after she hitched a ride from Dongara, where she was working as a roustabout, on July 29, 1999. She was last seen walking along North West Rd, near Badgingarra, about 200km north of Perth.

Police are convinced Hayley was abducted and murdered, though her body has never been found.

Ms Horsman, 27, was suffocated and her body dumped in the sand dunes of a Geraldton beach five months after Hayley disappeared.

The former prisoner, who was released from jail this year, claims that he spoke with Macartney on several occasions about Hayley's disappearance after a TV news report on June 28, 2009, named him as being a suspect in the case.

"I ask(ed) him, 'What happened, how come they accused you of murdering Hayley?'," the former prisoner said in a statement.

"He said, 'I was accused of it because they accused me of killing the girl in Geraldton and they thought I killed Hayley before I killed her'. He said, 'But I do know where the body is because the person who killed her told me where her body is'.

"I said, 'That can't happen. I think you should tell the police where the body is so the mother can have closure to this'. He said, 'No, that would spoil my appeal'."

In the statement, the ex-prisoner said: "It troubled me what David said to me, no one would know where the body was unless he was the murderer, that's what I thought."

He said, while Macartney confessed to knowing where Hayley's remains were, he did not detail the location.

The man claims that Macartney gave him his cell key so he could clean up before he returned from hospital where he was having treatment for bowel cancer.

"On his wall he had pictures and news items cut out of the newspaper about Hayley Dodd," the statement said. "There was only two on the wall, they were from 2009."

Inside the cell, the prisoner says he found two plastic files with newspaper clippings about Hayley's disappearance and other cases involving Dannie Wright, who was convicted for raping and murdering Chinese student Jiao Dan in Innaloo in October 2007, and American Dennis Maher, who was exonerated after serving 19 years in jail for raping three women in 1983.

"The red folder was all about Hayley," he said. "I saw some clippings had red ink around them.

"There was one picture of Margaret Dodd and it had holes in her face. It looked like the holes were made with a pen. The word 'bitch' was scribbled above her name."

The prisoner said, when he heard the prison guards coming, he returned the files to where he found them and never spoke to other prisoners about the find.

He said he told Macartney that he would give him an opportunity to go to police, but if he had not contacted them by June then he would.

"I'm telling the police this now as he didn't tell the police himself and the family needs to know and they need to get Hayley back," the statement said.

Mrs Dodd said three people had now come forward with similar stories about Macartney confessing to an involvement in Hayley's disappearance.

"One person could be lying, two perhaps collaborating but three people . . . there is no doubt Macartney is saying these things," she said.

Det-Insp Casey Prins, officer-in-charge of the Special Crime Squad, declined to comment.

A Department of Corrective Services spokesman said he was unable to comment or release information about operational or security issues regarding individual prisoners.

A $250,000 reward has been offered for information leading to the conviction of those responsible for Hayley's disappearance.


Deborah Anderson ex Woodvale missing on the 25th Januaruy 1999
Located Midland area
Deborah Anderson was found deceased in driver's seat of burnt vehicle on the 25th of January 1999



Lisa Joanne GOVAN

https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/who-missing/wa/govan-lisa

Lisa Joanne GOVAN
Lisa Govan was last seen near the bottle shop of the Foundry Hotel in Kalgoorlie on October 8, 1999.
At the time, the hotel was also used as a clubhouse by the Club Deroes outlaw motorcycle gang.
Lisa Joanne Govan's body was never found and despite a $50,000 reward and two anonymous calls made to her parents in connection with her suspected murder,
the case remains unsolved.

  • Missing since:Friday, October 8, 1999
  • Last seen:Kalgoorlie WA
  • Jurisdiction:WA
  • Year of birth:1971
  • Age now:46
  • Gender:Female
  • Height:155cm
  • Build:Slim
  • Hair:Brown
  • Complexion:Olive
  • Eyes:Blue

Circumstances:

Lisa Govan was last seen at approximately 7.30am on the morning of Friday 8 October 1999 in the vicinity of the Foundry Hotel bottle shop, Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.
Despite extensive inquiries by police and family her whereabouts are not known.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Lisa please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.



Sarah Ann McMahon
Sarah McMahon was last seen leaving work at Claremont on November 11, 2000.
Her car was later found abandoned and unlocked at a hospital carpark.
Missing, presumed murdered: Claremont woman Sarah McMahon.



Sarah Ann McMahon went missing from Greenmount on November 8th, 2000, 
Was aged 20, Now would be age 36 in December, 2016



https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/who-missing/wa/mcmahon-sarah

  • Missing since:Wednesday, November 8, 2000
  • Last seen:Greenmount WA
  • Jurisdiction:WA
  • Year of birth:1980
  • Age now:36
  • Gender:Female
  • Height:173cm
  • Build:Slim
  • Hair:Auburn
  • Eyes:Green

Circumstances:

Sarah McMahon has not attended work since Wednesday, 8 November 2000.
She was last seen driving her vehicle, a 1986 White Ford Meteor Sedan, registration 7FO-731 east on the Great Eastern Highway Greenmount, Western Australia.
She was last seen wearing dark jeans, black turtle neck sweater and black suede jacket.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Sarah please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

Susan Margaret Christie was reported missing on November 20, 2001 by her first husband, Ian Ure.

Susan Margaret Christie was last seen about 10.28pm on the night of November 15 by her neighbour when a taxi dropped her off at her one-bedroom unit in Curry Street, Jolimont, after a trip to the Wembley Hotel to pick up a bottle of wine.
Giving evidence today, South Metropolitan District Superintendent Scott Higgins said police believed the 42-year-old Ms Christie was killed sometime between November 15 and 16.
Her second husband, Rory Kirk Christie, was sentenced to life imprisonment for her murder in October 2003 after a month-long trial in the WA Supreme Court which heard from over 100 witnesses.
He successfully appealed the sentence in March 2005, and had his case dismissed in a retrial by Justice John McKechnie in November 2005.
"I conclude that there is a defect in the evidence about the accused's opportunity to dispose of the body," Justice McKechnie said in his acquittal of Christie.
"Taken at its highest, the evidence cannot sustain a verdict of guilty. I therefore direct that a verdict of not guilty be recorded and a judgment of acquittal be entered."
Christie is understood to have since returned to his native Canada.
Today, Superintendent Higgins confirmed police were "not actively investigating" the case anymore and conceded "no one was likely to be charged".
"All avenues of inquiry have been exhausted in this case," he told the court.
State Coroner Alistair Hope reserved his findings into the inquest, but conceded that "on the basis of the evidence" Ms Christie was dead.
"I am prepared to find beyond reasonable doubt that (Susan Margaret Christie) is deceased," he said.
"The death was an unlawful homicide by a person or persons unknown.


Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)

Christine Michelle Schipp 18/03/02 from Northbridge 


Ms Darylyn Ugle vanished on March 25, 2003, from Highgate, Perth, Western Australia


Christine Michelle Schipp was last seen in  Northbridge, Perth Western Australia  on the 18th of March, 2002
 it appeare Christive Michelle Schipp's remains were located on the 6-5-2013

Judy Maringu- last seen in Northbrige,  Perth, Western Australia  on the 1st of May, 2003.




Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)
DARYLYN UGLE, 25
Ms Ugle vanished on March 25, 2003, from Highgate.
Her badly decomposed body was found in bush near Mundaring Weir about two weeks later.

Hatice Gurbuz 18 year old went missing from Maddington 

missing since: january 15, 2004

Violent attacker is suspect in murders

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/violent-attacker-is-suspect-in-murders-ng-ya-141907

Violent attacker is suspect in murders

LUKE ELIOT

Monday, November 07, 2011

Donald Morey

Donal Morey is a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle,
 a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003

Violent attacker is suspect in murders

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/violent-attacker-is-suspect-in-murders-ng-ya-141907

Violent attacker is suspect in murders

LUKE ELIOT -, Monday, November 07, 2011

 Donald Morey, 

1s a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle, a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003

A street prostitute who narrowly survived a brutal bashing at the hands of a sexual deviant who is suspected of being involved in two unsolved suspected murders says she is still haunted by the chilling attack and believes her assailant may have killed other women.

In her first media interview since the December 2003 attack, the woman, who did not want her name published, described crawling through a swamp and scaling a 2.4m high concrete wall in a bid to escape.

"I know there are other girls who aren't as lucky as I was," the woman said.

In September 2005, career criminal Donald Victor Morey was convicted after trial of attempted murder.

In handing down a 13-year jail term, Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Miller accepted the prosecutor's submission that there was no sexual motive to Morey's crime as he was impotent at the time.

"This woman was a random target and . . . it was predatory conduct on your part," Justice Miller said. "It was a premeditated offence, that you planned to take her to a remote area and it was not the case that you voluntarily desisted from what you were doing."

Morey's appeals were dismissed and he remains behind bars.

He is a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle, a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003, and to the disappearance of Sarah McMahon, a 20-year-old Parkerville woman who has not been seen leaving her Claremont workplace exactly 11 years ago today. Her vehicle was found at Swan District Hospital. Morey denies involvement in both cases but admits he knew Ms McMahon.

Ms Ugle's body was found in April 2003 near Mundaring Weir - a short distance from Morey's Chidlow home and from the Helena Valley street where he took his December 2003 victim. The two prostitutes knew each other.

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

A street prostitute who narrowly survived a brutal bashing at the hands of a sexual deviant who is suspected of being involved in two unsolved suspected murders says she is still haunted by the chilling attack and believes her assailant may have killed other women.

In her first media interview since the December 2003 attack, the woman, who did not want her name published, described crawling through a swamp and scaling a 2.4m high concrete wall in a bid to escape.

"I know there are other girls who aren't as lucky as I was," the woman said.

In September 2005, career criminal Donald Victor Morey was convicted after trial of attempted murder.

In handing down a 13-year jail term, Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Miller accepted the prosecutor's submission that there was no sexual motive to Morey's crime as he was impotent at the time.

"This woman was a random target and . . . it was predatory conduct on your part," Justice Miller said. "It was a premeditated offence, that you planned to take her to a remote area and it was not the case that you voluntarily desisted from what you were doing."

Morey's appeals were dismissed and he remains behind bars.




ROBYN SANTEN - Missing from Northbridge, WA - 8th August 2015 - Age 36yrs

Australia - Robyn Santen, 36, Perth, 8 Aug 2015

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?287493-Australia-Robyn-Santen-36-Perth-8-Aug-2015/page6

http://www.crimewatchers.net/forum/index.php?threads/robyn-santen-missing-from-northbridge-wa-8th-august-2015-age-36yrs.3086/

Australian Federal Police

December 22, 2015

On Saturday 8 August 2015, Robyn Santen was with work colleagues at the Grapeskins Wine Bar in Northbridge, Western Australia. She left the establishment at approximately 11pm and returned to her home in West Leederville.

Her car was located the following day at the City Beach car park. Despite extensive police inquiries, her whereabouts remain unknown.


If you have information that may help police to locate Robyn, please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

https://www.facebook.com/australian...004722006806/1124936257646976/?type=3&theater

http://www.crimewatchers.net/forum/...sing-from-australia-since-8-august-2015.1186/

MONDAY, DECEMBER 12, 2005


Donelle Newberry missing betwen November and December, 2005

Dec 12, 2005 - Donelle NewberryPersonal Details Last seenNov 2005 – Dec 2005Warburton WA Year of Birth: 1977. Sex: Female Eyes: Brown Hair: Black

Personal Details
Last seen: Nov 2005 – Dec 2005, Warburton WA
Year of Birth: 1977
Sex: Female
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Black
Height: 170cm
Build: Slim
Complexion: Dark 
Racial: Australian Aboriginal
Circumstances: Despite extensive inquiries by police and family her whereabouts are not known. Missing person was last seen with a group of people sitting in a creek bed outside of the town site of Warburton Western Australia. Exact dates are not known but it was believed to be between November 2005 and Christmas 2005. She has not contacted family or friends since that time.

Posted by James Brian 

elfare.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Leela please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

                                  Chanelle MCDOUGALL 
                                                                                    

MISSING SINCE 1ST JULY, 2007 FROM HER RESIDENCE IN NANNUP, WESTERN AUSTRALIA. CHANTELL MCDOUGALL IS A FEMALE WAS BORN IN 1980 AND IN THE YEAR 2007 IS 36 YEARS OLD

CHANTELL MCDOUGALL IS 163CM IN HEIGHT AND IS MEDIUM BUILD WITH BROWN HAIR AND BLUE EYES

Circumstances:

In July 2007 six-year-old Leela and her mother, 27-year-old Chantelle McDougall, along with two other men vacated their premises in Nannup Western Australia.

All indications were that they were going on holiday to Brazil possibly via New Zealand.

Extensive enquiries have failed to locate Chantelle McDougall and there are concerns for her safety and welfare.

If you have information that may assist police to locate Chantelle please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000

https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/who-missing/wa/mcdougall-chantelle


Leela MCDOUGALL

https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/who-missing/wa/mcdougall-leela

Missing since:Sunday, July 1, 2007

Last seen:Nannup WA

Jurisdiction:WA

Year of birth:2001

Age now:15

Gender:Female

Hair:Blonde

Eyes:Blue

Circumstances:

In July 2007 six-year-old Leela and her mother 27-year-old Chantelle McDougall along with two other men vacated their premises in Nannup Western Australia.
All indications were that they were going on holiday to Brazil possibly via New Zealand.
Extensive enquiries have failed to locate Leela McDougall and there are concerns for her safety and welfare.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Leela please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.


 Iveta Mitchell missing ex residence Parmelia

on the 3rd of May 2010.
  Iveta Mitchell

Iveta Mitchell had worked at a hotel near Mundaring, Western Australia

    Into thin air_ The disappearance of Iveta Mitchell
                                     by  
Anne-Louise Brown MAY 3, 2012

                                              Iveta Mitchell

HTTP://WWW.WATODAY.COM.AU/WA-NEWS/INTO-THIN-AIR-THE-DISAPPEARANCE-OF-IVETA-MITCHELL-20120502-1XY4U.HTML

Two long, sad years have passed since Sinki Nikolic last heard the infectious laugh of her best friend, Iveta Mitchell.

Today marks the second anniversary of the day Mrs Mitchell, a loving mother-of-three, vanished into thin air. It's a day her friends have been dreading.

Facebook images of Iveta Mitchell

Mrs Mitchell, a 37-year-old Parmelia mum, disappeared in the early hours of May 3, 2010, after an argument with her husband, Chad Mitchell, at their Meares Avenue home.

They had fought over money he'd spent, funds meant to go towards paying off their mortgage that Mr Mitchell had used to buy drugs. According to Mr Mitchell, his wife went for a cigarette at nearby Barney Park and never came back.

This year, like the one past, Ms Nikolic and a group of Mrs Mitchell's closest friends will spend the evening at Barney Park remembering their friend.

She does not hold out hope Mrs Mitchell is alive, nor does she believe Mr Mitchell will attend the memorial, but Ms Nikolic has vowed to keep her friend’s memory burning until she knows exactly what happened that May night.

 

"To be honest, it doesn't feel like any questions have been answered. I haven't heard anything about the investigation in ages.

 In your head there are just more and more questions that keep popping up," Ms Nikolic said.

"There's no trace whatsoever of what happened to Iveta – it’s mind boggling. It’s like she just vanished into thin air.

"To be honest, it doesn't feel like any questions have been answered. I haven't heard anything about the investigation in ages. In your head there are just more and more questions that keep popping up," Ms Nikolic said.

"There's no trace whatsoever of what happened to Iveta – it’s mind boggling. It’s like she just vanished into thin air

Justyna Kozol

https://www.missingpersons.gov.au/who-missing/wa/koziol-justyna

Justyna Kozol

Missing since:Monday, March 24, 2014

Last seen:Denham WA

Jurisdiction:WA

Year of birth:1985

Age now:31

Gender:Female

Ethnicity:Eurasian

Height:160cm

Build:Slim

Hair:Blonde

Complexion:Tanned

Eyes:Blue

Distinguishing features:Polish National.

Circumstances:

Justyna Koziol is believed to have left her accommodation at the Tradewinds Seafront Apartments in Denham, Western Australia, about 7.00am on Monday, 24 March 2014.
Justyna is Polish and is described as being 160-165cms tall with blonde hair and blue eyes and requires medication for a diagnosed illness.
There are welfare concerns for Justyna due to her state of mind at the time.
If you have information that may assist police to locate Justyna please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

 


                The Age-Part One
       
  http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/viewDocument.ac?
 
 Publication: The Age, Section: News Extra, Page: 1
   
 Author: Martin Daly with additional reporting by David Reardon

                                                                                                                  Date: 30/05/1998, Words: 2000




THE LAUGHTER has died in Claremont. It was there on
Friday night a year ago, and the next day it was gone. The music stopped. Parents of young women became frightened; those with young, blonde daughters were terrified.

Claremont is known as a place for the young and the beautiful, a Perth suburb that has long been a synonym for privilege and security. It is Toorak cachet in an area smaller than but like Brighton, with a main street similar to Church Street.

The wealth here is understated. The apparel is often designer label. Education is largely private.

The suburb has a distinct culture. It adjoins blue-ribbon Liberal-voting Nedlands, Dalkeith and Peppermint Grove, where grand mansions back on to Freshwater Bay.

For young adults, Claremont always represented a peculiar brand of western suburbs fun, largely at their favorite haunts: the Continental Hotel and the Club Bay View. To those from less affluent suburbs, Friday and Saturday nights in Claremont meant rich kids having a good time.

In many ways that is the Claremont that was.

The city is howling with outrage. They're talking of bringing in the army, bringing across the Sydney homicide squad, Scotland Yard ... The whole city goes mad with fear and outrage. He knows what he's doing. They're frightened of him. The whole city is quaking at the thought of him. -- Cloud Street

In this exerpt from Tim Winton's award-winning novel, a serial killer stalked Perth's streets. In Claremont today, there is another. He targets young, blonde women. The bodies of two have been found; a third is missing, feared dead. Unless the killer is caught there will be more victims; serial killers continue to murder until they are caught.

Everybody in Perth appears to know who is the killer. He is a taxi driver, they say. He is believed to be the former mayor, Peter Weygers (this is untrue: police say he is not a suspect). He is the public servant from a nearby suburb who was arrested by police at 3am on Sunday, 5 April, as he cruised Claremont in his car, armed with a knife, stalking young women. He is local. He is any number of estranged male partners dobbed in by women who accused them of liking kinky sex with young girls and, therefore, they had to be suspect. The killer is a police officer. He is from interstate, where he has killed before (no evidence for this). He was a friend of the dead and missing women, or was known to them, as the friend of a friend.

They all know also that limbs were hacked from the bodies of the dead women and spikes driven into the skulls. Police have revealed little about the bodies or the investigation, but the rumors became so frightening they told The Age emphatically: "They were not mutilated."

The murders and grim rumors at one stage so paralysed aspects of community life that WA police commissioner Bob Falconer publicly called for calm. "... We're into a mixture of panic and paranoia and fear and distrust and the blaming stage," he warned.

The fear called for special measures. Security guards turned up at taxi ranks even in Fremantle, about 10 kilometres away. A former Australian SAS commando, reportedly an "adviser to the US Pentagon", and two associates were said by a local newspaper to have been hired to analyse risks to women on Claremont streets.

THE media response to the murders is seen as damaging in part. It so much plays on victim profiles as young, educated, intelligent and living in a wealthy bastion protected by its prosperity, that critics suggest the story has become like Serial Killer Haunts Bay Watch.

"The whole thing was sensationalised to the point that it was almost glamorised (by the media)," says Annie Goldflam, director of the Centre of Research for Women at the University of Western Australia.

For Dr David Indermaur, research fellow at the University's Crime Research Centre, the case has transcended its origins to become a curious class issue. People, he says, feel threatened; if something like this can happen to "nice girls in a place like Claremont" it can happen to them as well.

"There is definitely a class dimension to this. Maybe it's in the killer's mind as well," Dr Indermaur says. "They are almost like the play-out of real life in a TV drama. We do not know what is fact from fiction when we see Claremont on TV."

The police investigation at one stage was the largest ever murder investigation in Australia. Fifty thousand telephone calls were made in response to police appeals for help. Thousands of people have been interviewed. A retired FBI polygraph expert from San Francisco tested responses from 54 people. Many people have been fingerprinted. Clairvoyants picked locations of significance and hypnotists helped penetrate witness recollections.

FBI-trained Captain David Caldwell, brought to Perth from the South Carolina Police Service, was quoted as saying of the killer: "The chances of his striking again are very good."

Serial murder is a big story, and police and the media have used each other in the search for the man who is kidnapping, probably raping, and killing young women. There is now a breach in relations; media outlets that helped the cause are being accused of hindering it by publishing stories the investigators did not want made public.

An element of blame-the-victim has emerged. What, some people ask, were the women doing alone and under the influence of alcohol at that time of night? They were asking for it. And, it is said, there will be more killings, not only because a murderer is stalking young women but, as one taxi driver volunteered, girls with short skirts are still walking around Claremont alone at night.

Police messages have emphasised that women should enjoy life but be careful. However, Barbara Buick, of the Womens' Electoral Lobby, says the campaign has scared young women. "They don't like being blamed, and they feel vulnerable."

Dr Indermaur fears, too, the stranger-danger theme has caused long-term damage by frightening women. His mother believes the messages are telling her not to walk the streets at night.

But Denis Glennon, father of Ciara Glennon, 27, a victim of the serial killer, disagrees: "It is quite easy from the confines of an academic cloister to theorise on the prospective effects of the campaign and that it is linked to some sort of derogation of victims. It is my experience, having been at the coalface, that this is poppycock . . . It (the campaign) has no damaging affect whatever."

Two-and-a-half years after the first woman disappeared, and a year after the body of the last victim was found, the community remains traumatised. In this time there appears to have been elements of self-interest rising in Claremont, despite the threat of more killings. Everybody wanted telephones on the streets and a taxi rank to help keep the kids safe, but some businesses made it clear they did not want them outside their premises.

Enmities about planning matters appeared, too, to become part of a blame campaign. The then Claremont mayor Peter Weygers, some Claremont councillors and local business people - notably the owner of the Continental Hotel and the Club Bay View, John Sainken - became embroiled in a dispute about who should have done more to protect patrons from the serial killer. This led to Club Bay View issuing a writ, later withdrawn, against the mayor and others.

In Claremont, some of those designated as "people of interest" by the taskforce investigating the murders talk bitterly of the upheaval in their lives. They claim they were treated as suspects. Taskforce spokesman Tony Potts counters: "We are not going to make any apology for investigating the murder of two young women and the disappearance of another. We act within the law. We are always professional."

The taskforce suffered a setback when its then head, Senior Sergeant Paul Ferguson, was removed and charged later with misleading a special investigator from Western Australia's Anti-Corruption Commission on matters relating to a drug squad case. It had nothing to do with the murder investigation.

There is also a dispute among academics about the use by police of FBI profiling techniques while, it is claimed, there is a better science in England. Police say they have used both methods and reject the criticism.

In the search for the killer, taxi drivers claim they became scapegoats because, initially, one of their number, or a bogus taxi driver, was believed to be the killer. Drivers were spat on and abused on the streets. They were asked for and, in most cases, gave saliva samples. Their cars were thoroughly searched and about 80 lost their jobs when prior offences emerged in police checks.

They blame the media for pushing the taxi-driver theme, and many of the 4000 drivers in Perth are unforgiving. "I always tell passengers a reporter did it," one says.

T HE Continental Hotel is on the corner of Gugeri Street and Bay View Terrace, Claremont's main street. It is a trendy pub where hundreds of young people gather on weekends. A short distance down the main street, on St Quentin Avenue, is Club Bay View, another place where the young meet friends from similar, privileged backgrounds. They are now notorious - three women left them and are believed to have walked into the night and into the hands of a serial killer.

It is 2.06am on Saturday, 27 January 1996, and Sarah Ellen Spiers, 18, a secretary, is standing at a telephone box about 300 metres from Club Bay View. She has called a taxi. She had been at the club with friends from about 12.15am and had been drinking. When the taxi arrives, she is not there.

In the absence of a body, Ms Spiers was treated as a missing person. Club Bay View offered a $10,000 reward for information about her disappearance. The State Government ran a $130,000 television campaign to warn women against taking risks at night.

Sarah's parents, Don and Carol Spiers, are adamant their daughter would not disappear of her own accord. Carol Spiers refused to talk to The Age about Sarah in terms of the serial killings. "As far as we are concerned our daughter is still a missing person," she says.

The Spiers family was the first of three whose public grief shocked communities throughout Australia.

Bret Christian, the editor of Claremont's The Post newspaper, says Don Spiers remained by his phone day and night. "He checked out 250 phone calls, many from clairvoyants," Christian says. "He has been all over the countryside. They are cruel bastards, those people. They do not realise what they are doing."

Spiers responded to the calls believing someone might pose as a clairvoyant to give him a clue that could save his daugher. "He was told things like 'I have a 100 per cent vision that your daughter is in a house in Wembley, no address, with a white picket fence outside it, and he would drive up and down every street looking for a house that fitted that description."

Perth at night has often been dangerous for women. In the 1960s, "Moonstruck Murderer" Eric Cooke, the last person hanged in WA, killed six people, some from the area. In the mid-1980s, David and Catherine Birnie tortured, raped and murdered four women, and abducted and sexually assaulted a fifth. They are in jail for life.

On New Year's Day 1994, a man dragged a woman from her car after she had left Club Bay View. He tried to rape her, but she fought him off. Three months earlier, a

31-year-old woman got into a taxi near the club. A man hiding in the back seat grabbed her, but she jumped from the car, breaking a leg. In February 1995, a girl, 17, was tied with an electrical cord, raped and left for dead at Karrakatta Cemetery. She had been abducted while walking home from the club.

The disappearance of Sarah Spiers in the context of the previous attacks, and the fact that she would not disappear of her own accord, added a sinister dimension. But, as in all such cases, the absence of a body meant the investigation stopped short of full-scale murder hunt.

On 3 March, two months after Sarah disappeared, a 21-year-old woman was indecently assaulted in a lane behind Club Bay View, which she had left about 2am. Her head had been bashed six times against a brick wall and her skirt ripped off.

Taxis were often hard to find in Claremont. Drivers sometimes did not want to go there, particularly on weekend nights, because of abuse from intoxicated young people who would vomit in their cars. The taxi shortage meant some young people slept in their vehicles until they were sober enough to drive home. Some would walk, trying to pick up a cab or hitch a lift.

On 8 June 1996, Jane Louise Rimmer, 23, a child-care worker from Wembley, went to the Continental Hotel with friends. At 12.04am, she headed home, declining to share a taxi with four friends. She disappeared.

The next day police set up the taskforce. It has gathered 80,000 pieces of information, much of which is still being assessed.

Two months later, on 3 August, Jane's body was found alongside a dirt track beside a riding school at Wellard, 35 kilometres south of Perth. The body had decomposed, but The Age understands there were no gunshot or knife wounds and she may have been strangled.

Her watch was found, giving police clues about which they refused to talk. But there is evidence Ms Rimmer was killed and dumped within hours of her abduction. The fact this happened in such a short time could indicate the murderer is in the early stages of a killing spree and is not yet confident enough to hold victims captive for long periods.

CIARA EILISH GLENNON, 27, the Zambian-born eldest daughter of Irish Catholic businessman Denis Glennon and his wife Una, of Mosman, returned from a year-long world trip in time for the wedding of her younger sister, Denise. She rejoined her old law firm, Blake Dawson Waldron, and began contacting old friends.

Ten days after later, on Friday, 14 March 1997, she went to the Continental Hotel with work colleagues. Her mother had told her of Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer.

Ciara left the hotel just after midnight on Saturday, 15 March, and was last seen 15 minutes later on Stirling Highway.

Denis and Una Glennon appeared on television, saying they were convinced Ciara was alive and asking her captor to let her return to them and for those who might know something to call police.

Two weeks later, on 3 April, Ciara's semi-clothed body was found by a bushwalker, in bushland off Pipidinny Road, about 50 kilometres north of Perth. It was 86 kilometres from where Jane Rimmer was found. Based on the definition that a serial killing is two or more killings with a cooling-off period in between - a couple of hours or days - the Glennon case dramatically changed the murder hunt.

There was now no doubt there was a serial killer in Claremont. The State Government posted a $250,000 reward for information leading to the killer.

Last week police produced replicas of distinctive pieces of jewellery that could help catch the killer: a silver Claddagh brooch belonging to Ciara and a golden sunflower key-ring belonging to Sarah Spiers. They believe the killer may have kept the items as souvenirs, which have been seen by someone, or he may have given them to a friend or relative.

Within a short time of his daughter's disppearance, Glennon was poring over minutes and documents at Claremont council to test his contention that it did not do enough to protect women in Claremont.

He refuses to discuss this issue with The Age. "In the council documents, there are gross inadequacies in relation to the action that should have been taken after the first and second girls (disappeared)," he says. He denies helping to oust Peter Weygers in the mayoral election in May last year. "I took no part in the campaign at all."




In around August, 1997 Gerard Ross was abducted while visiting Perth with his family from the country town of Newman.



                                                                      Closing in on a killer

                                                                                                                                                                          September 25, 2004

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/24/1095961862193.html?from=storylhs

Innuendo and charges of police conspiracies surround the renewed interest in three unsolved murders, writes Robert Wainwright.

In 1964 Eric Edgar Cooke was hanged for a series of gruesome murders in the wealthy inner-western suburbs of Perth. Cooke not only stole the lives of eight people - attacked in their beds with knives, strangled, shot and even run down with cars - but also the innocence of a city where front doors were left open to wash away the summer night heat.

Four decades later, the same quiet, well-to-do neighbourhoods stretching along the Swan River between the city and the Cottesloe surf have been rent by another killing spree. At least two young women have been murdered and dumped, taken not from their homes as a raging Cooke had done, but selected, carefully, and plucked from quiet streets while the city slept behind bolted doors and windows. A third is believed to have suffered the same fate.

These cases came to public attention some years ago - Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer disappeared in 1996, and Ciara Glennon in 1997, all while on a night out in Claremont - but Perth is still seething, not in fear of a killer on the loose but in anger that the case has not been solved.

Instead, the investigation has become a multimillion-dollar, three-ring circus: three victims, three people investigated and three detectives heading a case that has been reviewed 10 times and will be again in November.

Peter Weygers, 62, was mayor of Claremont when the murders occurred. His 12-year tenure ended in 1997; around the same time he began phoning the father of one victim in the middle of the night to say he (Weygers) was a suspect in the case. Weygers was one of about 100 men initially interviewed by detectives in the rush of activity. In the years since, his significance has been mostly dismissed by police. But that changed in dramatic circumstances last week when detectives staged a very public search of his Claremont home, during which he was compelled to give a DNA sample.

Outside and defiant, Weygers claimed the police scrutiny was part of a State Government plot to discredit him: "This is a gross invasion of privacy. This is a gross invasion of rights. I have no idea what their excuse is for this absolutely disgraceful conduct," he told reporters.

It was not the first time Weygers has railed against police and the State Government. He is a complex character - by profession a senior, and controversial, psychologist with the Education Department; by choice a strident, and controversial, president of the West Australian Council for Civil Liberties.

Weygers enjoys thrusting himself into the public spotlight in any or all of his capacities, a trait which would appear to be at odds with the behaviour of a serial murderer who might be expected to hide in the shadows of society. He is intelligent and a man of means, owning 19 investment properties around the city, mostly inherited from his mother with whom he lived until her death several years ago. He has since married Vicki, a Filipina.

A big man, at 192 centimetres tall and weighing 100 kilograms, Weygers was a popular mayor with elderly ratepayers and once spent the weekend scrubbing excreta off a bus shelter, rather than locate a council crew. His supporters describe him as passionate and courageous, while to opponents he is a dreary zealot.

Weygers has been the voice of the civil liberties council since 1988. His reign as a champion of justice has been marked more by his penchant for being a human headline, many times for the wrong reasons and seemingly bizarre causes. Weygers once agreed to launch a book written as a guide for Australian males who wanted to get themselves a virgin Filipina bride. The launch was abandoned amid public outcry.

He created more public dismay in April by defending the three-time convicted serial rapist Gary Narkle, describing him as an artist and claiming Narkle had more to fear from his victims than they had to fear from him.

Such is Weygers's profile that the Council for Civil Liberties refused to admit the WA branch to the peak national body, saying it did not have a rational or uniform approach.

Weygers's problems have also spilled into his professional life. This year he was investigated over workplace harassment allegations.

The September 15 raid on Weygers's home was the second on a property linked to him in three weeks. On August 25 taskforce officers searched a property he owns in the outer Perth suburb of Embleton, seizing items including two vehicles belonging to 47-year-old taxi driver Steve Ross, who lives in a van in the back yard. One of the vehicles, a Ford station wagon, was used as a taxi by the cabbie at the time of the murders.

Though police said the search had nothing to do with Weygers, his links with Ross are strong. The pair knew each other as far back as the early 1990s when Ross went to Weygers for help because of a complaint by one of his passengers.

Ross owned the property until he sold to Weygers in 2001 because of financial difficulties after losing his taxi licence. Weygers then put a mobile unit at the back of the block for Ross to live.

Like Weygers, Ross's links with the investigation goes back to 1996 when he supplied police with information about Sarah Spiers. Ross told police he picked her up in his taxi the night before she disappeared. Spiers had shared the cab with a second woman and another man. The woman was dropped in a nearby suburb before Ross drove Spiers to the Windsor Hotel in South Perth. Even though the man had wanted to go to the city, he got out with Spiers and paid the fare. Ross theorised that the man had gone back to Claremont the next night, found her and killed her.

Ross handed out an unsigned 44-point statement to media on Wednesday, claiming police had tried to coerce him into making false admissions about Weygers the day before the raid on the civil libertarian's home, suggesting he was the driver who delivered girls to the former mayor.

"The police made derogatory remarks about Peter Weygers and implied that I was involved in a homosexual relationship with him," he wrote. "I denied that I was in a homosexual relationship with Peter Weygers and that he was not my boyfriend. The police alleged that Peter Weygers exerted an abnormal influence over me, which I denied. The police alleged that Peter Weygers gave me orders that I carried out, which I denied. The police then stated words to the effect that Peter Weygers 'wanted' young girls."

There is a third figure in this confusing case. Cottesloe public servant Lance Williams was named after a police sting in the late 1990s which used a policewoman as a decoy. Williams picked up the undercover officer, who asked to be driven to a nearby suburb. Williams denies he had anything to do with the killings and says he was just being a good Samaritan.

In May, police returned to the home Williams shares with his elderly parents. They also scoured a vacant beachfront unit owned by Williams. Nothing has been said since, though a former member of the taskforce spoke out at the time, saying the circumstantial evidence against Williams was compelling. Others inside the police force disagree.

Which leads to investigation by Taskforce Macro. Weygers, who has been lying low since the raid on his house, insists the real motive of the renewed interest is the review which will be conducted in November by a panel including Superintendent Paul Schramm, who led the Snowtown bodies-in-the-barrels case in South Australia.

George Papamihail, one of Weygers's lawyers, says his investigation has unearthed two more likely suspects. "If it's taken us one week then why has it taken police eight years?' he asked.

Tom Percy, QC, also represents Weygers: "This latest stuff is just a way of police shoring up their own reputations. If they want to charge Peter Weygers with murder then come and arrest him."

In the meantime, the families of the three women continue to wait.

Ciara Glennon was the last of the trio to disappear, on March 14, 1997, outside a hotel. Seven years later, her father, Denis, is hesitant to say anything and wants to give investigators more time.

Jane Rimmer, a child-care worker, was last seen outside a hotel at 12.10am on June 9, 1996. Her mother, Jenny, remains vaguely hopeful of justice.

Sarah Spiers, 18, was the first to disappear and, unlike the others, her body has never been found. She was last seen at 2.06am on January 27, 1996 when she ordered a taxi near a Claremont nightclub. She vanished before the cab arrived. Her father, Don, said the family was still tormented by not knowing what had happened.

He told one newspaper: "I am hopeful there is going to be a breakthrough. We are going to the grave with the unknown. Every time I hear of a similar case, I know what those parents are going through and I relive it."



C                                                          Chantelle MCDOUGALL
            
        

C              Chantelle MCDOUGALL and Leela Mcdougall

MIS                misSING SINCE 1ST JULY, 2007 FROM their RESIDENCE
                IN NANNUP, WESTERN AUSTRALIA
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                 CHANTELL MCDOUGALL
                  IS A FEMALE WAS BORN IN 1980 AND IN THE YEAR 2007 IS 36 YEARS OLD

                      chaNTELLe MCDOUGALL IS 163CM IN HEIGHT AND IS MEDIUM BUILD WITH BROWN HAIR AND BLUE EYES

            Circumstances of the disappearance of Chantelle and Leena McDougall: 

                  In July, 2007 six-year-old Leela and her mother, 27-year-old Chantelle McDougall,
                          along with two other men vacated their premises in Nannup Western Australia
.
               

           All indications were that they were going on holiday to Brazil possibly via New Zealand.

Ex                        Extensive enquiries have failed to locate Chantelle McDougall
             and Leela McDougall and there are concerns for her safety and welfare
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                            If you have information that may assist police to locate
                   Chantelle please call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000  
   
              Leela McDougall's year of birth is 2001 with fair hair and complexion 

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                         Leena  Mcdougall
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         for safety of missing cult family-MAKO

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         Often new information is received, even without new information Senior Detectives  still review cases on a regular basis. 

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           Often new information is received, even without new information Senior Detectives still review cases on a regular basis. 
          If you have any information please contact Crime Stoppers  onb1800 333 000


Police say new lead on family's disappearance prompts public appeal 


Police say a new lead has led to renewed calls for information about the disappearance of a family more than six years after they left their Nannup home. 
Religious cult leader Simon Kadwill, his partner Chantelle McDougall, their daughter Leela, and a friend Tony Popic who lived with the family, disappeared in July 2007. 
Detective Senior Sergeant Greg Balfour says at least one of the group may have travelled by train from Bunbury to Perth and then from Perth to Kalgoorlie. 
"From our inquiries, we believe one of our two missing men, either Tony Popic or Simon Kadwill, boarded the Prospector train at 7:15 on the morning of July 16th, 2007," he said. 
"That person travelled from Perth to Kalgoorlie under the name of J. Roberts." 
Detective Balfour says renewed attention in the media may help to spark the memory of someone who was on the train. 
"The photographs of our missing people have been circulated nationally and we're hopeful that someone may recognise one of the four or several of the four as being on the train," he said. 
He says there has been no trace of the woman or young girl since they disappeared. 
"There's no indication that Chantelle or her daughter Leela were on the same service," he says. 
"We ask anyone who may have encountered any of our missing people on the train, or spoken to a man by the name of J. Roberts, to call CrimeStoppers." 
Detective Balfour says there is unconfirmed information that the man may have returned to Perth the following day. 
www.abc.net.au (13-8-2013) 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-13/police-say-new-lead-on-disappearance-of-family/4884546

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International hunt for cult 'guru' over Nannup family disappearance 

 

One of Western Australia's greatest mysteries has gained international exposure as Australian Federal Police try to re-ignite new leads into the case of missing Nannup mother Chantelle McDougall and her daughter Leela. 
The 30-year-old and her six-year-old daughter went missing in October 2007, together with partner Gary Feldman, 45, and friend Antonio Popic, 40. 
Mr Feldman was only ever known in Australia as Simon Kadwell, a false alias he picked up from England before emigrating in 2000. He was also Leela's father. 
Since their disappearance, he has been linked to a sect based on a doomsday book called Servers of the Divine Plan, which calls on "servers" to take up their positions on Earth before the world's imminent end and rebirth. 
The family and their lodger, Mr Popic, who lived in a caravan on their South-West property, mysteriously vanished, leaving behind wallets, credit cards and dirty plates on the table. 
They were last seen in a Busselton car yard north of Nannup heading towards Perth, where they sold Ms McDougall's car for $4000. The money remains untouched in her bank account. 
Ms McDougall's parents, Jim and Cathy McDougall, have not given up hope of finding their daughter and granddaughter safe and well, but remain convinced it was Mr Feldman who persuaded them to disappear. 
"Originally this guy - Gary Feldman, as we know him now - claimed to be some sort of religious guru and he enticed them into his little flock that way," Mr McDougall said. 
"(It) was September two years ago that we found he was English, and his parents were from England, and he had taken money off people, and that his name was Gary Feldman, and the real Simon Kadwell was quite a nice guy in England." 
He said his daughter was a vulnerable and naive teenager when she met Mr Feldman in Victoria. 
"He was operating in Melbourne when Chantelle met 'Simon Kadwell', if you want to call him that. Chantelle was only a teenager, only 16 or 17. She's 30 now," Mr McDougall said. 
"That guy had other young girls with children and when they moved over there (to WA) she went over to help with the kids and it went on from there. 
"I think she was fairly naive in believing in what this guy was telling her." 
Mr McDougall thought they may have travelled to Brazil, after Ms McDougall suggested the family was planning a holiday there months before they disappeared. But there has been no evidence to show the group left Australia. 
"We did a bit of work but everything we found was a dead end, in the end. So we never really got anywhere ... we couldn't find any reason about where they had been, where they had gone, so there was just no clues to help to find them," Mr McDougall said. 
"It is unresolved and completely strange but also it is very frustrating for us and the police and Missing Persons and everybody because there are four people missing, not just one person missing." 
AFP Missing Persons Co-ordination Centre team leader Rebecca Kotz agreed, saying: "This case is so baffling to police because there are no leads." 
Investigators have so far worked with WA Police, Scotland Yard and US authorities. However this week, as a part of Missing Person's Week, they have stepped up the campaign by involving the global missing children network, which has 19 member countries. 
"All of the profiles that are submitted (to the International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children), of which Leela was one of our Australian profiles, will be featured all around the world," Ms Kotz said. 
She said the centre has started a Facebook page this year which includes every profile on AFP's website helpbringthemhome.org.au
Although Ms McDougall and her daughter's physical appearances may have changed, her parents say the pair was unlikely to go unnoticed. 
"Leela was very loud child, she wasn't quiet and she loved to know exactly what you were doing.," Mrs McDougall said. 
"She would go up and talk to different people and ask them what they were doing and she loved to dance, play little jokes and that. 
"So I don't know how you would keep a child like that quiet, you would notice her, and Chantelle was always a very kind, thoughtful and caring sort of person. 
"She liked to joke too and she was happy and things like that, and if she was in a community people would notice her." 
Although they still visited WA to see Mr Popic's family - who were too traumatised by the disappearance to speak publicly - they could no longer bring themselves to go to Nannup, saying it was "too heartbreaking". 
"It never gets any easier. You always relive it every day of your life, every day it gets a little bit harder," Mr McDougall said. 


www.watoday.com.au (26-5-2011) 
Aja Styles 
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/international-hunt-for-cult-guru-over-nannup-family-disappearance-20110525-1f4dm.html

Brazilian search for cult family 
 
The mysterious disappearance of a Nannup family linked to an internet cult has taken a dramatic twist, with police investigating whether they were on a plane which crashed in Brazil four years ago. 
Chantelle McDougall, 30, her cult leader boyfriend Gary Felton, 48, their daughter Leela McDougall, 10, and friend Tony Popic, 44, were last seen on July 13, 2007 in Busselton where they sold a car for $4000 to a local dealer and drove away in a waiting vehicle. 
The group, none of whom have touched their bank accounts since, told family and friends they were headed for Brazil. 
Four days later, Tam Airlines domestic flight 3054 from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo crashed at Sao Paulo Airport, killing 181 passengers, six flight crew and 12 people on the ground. 
The plane careered off the end of the runway, cleared a highway bordering the inner-city airport, slammed into a fuel depot and burst into flames. 

The resulting heat was so intense that more than 70 of the bodies were so badly burnt they were either never recovered or could not be identified. 

_The West Australian _understands the WA Police missing persons squad has been liaising with Brazilian authorities in an effort to determine whether the missing group were among the victims. 

While the flight's passenger manifest is publicly available, and does not contain the names of any of the group, the issue has been complicated by Mr Felton's history of forging identity documents. 

While living in Australia, where he operated a secretive doomsday internet forum, the Englishman went by the name Simon Kadwell - an identity he stole from a former British associate more than 15 years ago. It is understood WA detectives have been investigating whether the group could have travelled under false identities, but are yet to find any evidence that they did. Police have previously said they had not left Australia under their real names. 
WA Police refused to comment on the case yesterday. 
Chantelle's father Jim McDougall said yesterday he had conducted his own investigations into the plane crash and did not believe the group were on board. 
He did not believe there was enough time for them to have made it to Porto Alegre in time for the flight. 
"We spoke to police about that crash a little while back but we haven't had any recent update on what they've come across," Mr McDougall said. 
"We looked at the names on the passenger list and didn't find theirs, which was a big relief. 
"We strongly believe they are alive and are hoping that they will make contact sooner, rather than later." 
Mr McDougall and his wife have previously accused Mr Felton of brainwashing and seducing their daughter when, as a 17-year-old, she started babysitting for him.
Mr Felton and Chantelle had Leela and in 2004 moved with Mr Popic to Nannup, where Mr Felton operated the doomsday forum called The Gateway. 
He was called Si in the internet chat forum, which involved about 40 members around the world who referred to themselves as the Forecourt - a religious reference to the place where believers wait for "judgment day". 

New fears for safety of missing cult family 

A WA family linked to an internet cult who disappeared almost two years ago have not used their bank accounts or contacted relatives, raising fears they have been murdered. 
Investigators initially believed that former internet cult leader Englishman Simon Kadwell, 46, Chantelle McDougall, 28, their daughter Leela, eight, and a friend Tony Popic, 42, may have sneaked out of the country to New Zealand before travelling to Rio Branco, a Brazilian city known for its religious cults. 
But it is understood the WA Police missing person’s squad has uncovered no evidence that the group have left the country. 
They were last seen on July 13, 2007, in Busselton, where they sold a car for $4000 to a local dealer and drove away in a waiting car. 
Chantelle’s father, Jim McDougall, said yesterday that his fears for the wellbeing of his daughter and granddaughter were growing by the day. 
With Leela featuring in a national missing children’s campaign that started on Monday, he said he still hoped that they would be found. 
But he could not understand why Chantelle had not contacted him or his wife Kath in almost two years or how they could survive for such a long time without using their bank accounts. 
1000 missing person’s flyers 
The couple, who live in Wodonga, Victoria, have printed 1000 missing person’s flyers featuring photos of Chantelle and Leela and will set off in July on a three-month trip from Victoria to Cape York in Queensland, plastering the posters along the way. 
“As every day goes by and I don’t hear from Chantelle it gets a bit harder to keep going,” Mr McDougall said. 
“She was very close to both me and her mother so to not have heard from her for almost two years does make us very worried for her and Leela. 
“It’s always in your mind that something may have happened (to them). I try not to think about it and just hope that we will hear from them soon.” 
While living in WA, Mr Kadwell operated a secretive doomsday internet forum called The Gateway. He was called Si in the chat forum, which involved about 40 members around the world, who referred to themselves as “the Forecourt” — a religious reference to the place where believers wait for “judgment day”. 
Ms McDougall’s parents have accused Mr Kadwell of brainwashing and seducing their daughter when, as a 17-year-old, she started babysitting for him and his partner, Deborah, in 1998. 
The teenager had been introduced to Mr Kadwell and Deborah through friends in Victoria and would follow them to WA, Britain and back. By September 2000, Mr Kadwell, Deborah, their son Daniel and Ms McDougall were living in WA. 
“awakening servers of the divine plan” 
The same year, Ms McDougall, who was pregnant, and Mr Kadwell moved to a rented house in Floreat, where they continued to believe that the planet was on “red alert” and it was time for “awakening servers of the divine plan” to come forward. 
Mr Popic moved in with them. With baby Leela, the couple and Mr Popic moved to Denmark. In 2004, the group shifted to Nannup, where Ms McDougall worked at a fish and chip shop and taught swimming, while Mr Popic lived in a caravan at the rear of their property. 
Mr McDougall said yesterday that his daughter had told him during their last conversation on the day they disappeared that they were going to live in a small religious community on the outskirts of Rio Branco. 
When the owner of their Nannup property went to the house in the days after they left the town, he found a note on the front door which read “Gone to Brazil”. 
But given that police had no evidence that they had left the country, Mr McDougall believed that the Brazil trip was probably a cover story. “We were always worried that Simon would take off with Chantelle and Leela one day,” he said. “Simon seemed to have control over Chantelle and she would do whatever he said. All we want to know now is that they are OK and safe. We won’t give up hope.” 
Anyone with information about the group should 

call CrimeStoppers on 1800 333 000. 



Safety Tips for Women (and men) 

CIFS is an Australian support and information network. CIFS was initially formed by parents and family members of loved ones caught up in abusive groups.

The network has grown to include families, friends, former members and concerned individuals working together towards a common goal, to provide support and develop awareness for those affected by high demand groups or cultic relationships.

For further information, support or to or become an Associate Member of CIFS...

Website: http://www.cifs.org.au

info@cifs.org.au

Ph: 0423-332-766

CIFS : GPO Box 1690 ,Sydney, NSW, 2001,A USTRALIA

www.cifs.org.au 

(31-5-2009) 
http://www.cifs.org.au/disappeared.php

http://www.mako.org.au/safetyforwomen2.html

Important - All women should empower themselves with safety tips and information. 
 The information below could prevent you from being sexually assaulted or even Save Your Life !!....... 
The mind is your greatest self defensive weapon. Always have it with you!

Safety Tips for Women (and men) 
Top of our safety tips list is to always use your common sense and TRUST YOUR INSTINCT, it's there for a reason. If a situation is uncomfortable then get out of there as quickly as possible.
 Here you will find some general safety and self defence information to better arm yourself in the event of an attack. 
A high percentage of women who FIGHT back get away..... 


DON'T THINK IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN TO YOU 

Drink Spiking

Be aware that it's something that can happen to you.

Whenever you can, go out with people you "trust". Try not to go out alone

Designate a trusted person to stay sober

Don't accept drinks from strangers. Only people you "trust"/or get your own

Watch bar staff while they make drinks/ Sealed beverages are even better

NEVER leave drinks unattended. WATCH your drinks at all times

Watch out for friends

Be suspicious if someone buys you a drink and it's not what you asked for

If your out drinking and start feeling strange (dizzy, light-headed) or unwell for no apparent reason, or more affected than you think you should be, seek medical attention immediately/ drink plenty of water. Just get to a safe place, preferably with safe people

Be aware that by going back to someone's house you are putting yourself in a vulnerable position

Be aware of drink spike detector cards, buy them whenever you can afford to.

Drink-Spiking Facts- Australian Drug Foundation

Drink spiking is when alcohol or another substance is added to a person's drink without them knowing.

It is a criminal offence under the Victorian Crimes Act.

Drink spiking is commonly associated with other crimes, including drug-faciliated sexual assault.

Victims are mainly young women, aged 18 to 30. In many cases, the offender is known to them.

Alcohol is most commonly used in drink spiking (with extra shots added to drinks).

Other drugs such as Rohypnol, GHB (Gama Hydroxybuyrate), Ecstasy, Midazolam and Temazapam are also being used.

The effects of these drugs include drowsiness, vomiting, unconsciousness, memory impairment, loss of motor skills and muscle relaxation.

Many cases of drink spiking go unreported because of memory loss or feelings of embarrassment/ shame.

Self Defence Information 

"Should you find yourself in a struggle for survival, your goal is not to maim your attacker, not to kill, not even to 'win' the fight... your goal is to make it home alive. Everything else is secondary. "Fair fights are for professional prizefighters and people killed in the streets. Otherwise, do what it takes to make if home safe."


Awareness is half the battle

Many attackers will look for vulnerable women especially in vulnerable places- For example, easier targets to overpower would be women talking on mobiles/ looking through handbags/ wearing headphones while jogging etc..

Many abductions occur in shopping centre and work car parks/ underground carparks. Hitch-hiking is also not recommended.. 

Fact: A high percentage of rape victims knew their attacker.

Some Tips

Break fingers, gouge eyes, slap ears, chop throats, kick groins and knees, stomp the tops of his feet, scratch, bite, spit and scream.

You must completely overwhelm your attacker both physically and mentally to be successful in surviving. In a fight for life and death- nothing- is off limits.

Pull hair, throw objects, bash, slash, and stab with objects.

Do not give up or give in to fear...turn your body's fear into rage and use- Controlled Violence- to stop your attacker.

Rules of Engagement

If you feel attack is imminent and you have no escape route, it is acceptable morally and legally to strike pre-emptively. Observation of the predator’s body language, his verbal taunts, and consistent imposing on your personal space all are factors to consider. Often the one who strikes first holds the upper hand in conflict.

Be aware that an attacker can cross 7 yards, (21 feet), in about 1.5 seconds. This means among other things, that your personal safety area can be compromised in about the time it takes your brain to effectively realize what is happening.

If you are faced with overwhelming odds, such as weapons or sheer numbers of attackers, lethal force is justified. Although your premise for defence should not be based on killing but rather incapacitating in the most effective manner necessary in order to preserve your life. If death or dismemberment of the assailant is a result of your actions, then it is just that...a consequence of HIS actions, not yours.

However if you can be reasonably sure the attacker poses no immediate threat to your life, lethal force may put you in the defence chair in court. Examples would be a significantly smaller and less powerful individual or otherwise impaired individual. These are the cases where less than lethal tactics may be required.

Even if you properly defend yourself or a third party from attack you still may be required to defend yourself again in court. It is a good idea to learn the self defence laws in your area.

The best self defence is avoidance. Don’t be there. However this is not always possible. Keep in mind, in court you will be asked to prove you did EVERYTHING to avoid the confrontation in the first place.

Usually striking immediately gives the best chance of survival. However you may have to feign compliance until an opening arises.


Element Of Self Preservation

Always be aware of your surroundings, and WHO is in them. TRUST YOUR GUT FEELINGS.

If you must defend yourself, do so aggressively. There are NO RULES in a fight for survival. Only prizefighters and people killed in the street try and fight with rules.
FIGHT DIRTY. NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING...IS OFF LIMITS.

Targets: Pick the easiest and the weakest. THE EYES. THE GROIN. ANYWHERE ON THE NECK but especially THE THROAT.

Strike hard, fast, and strike through the target. Then do it again and again and again.

Do not stop striking until the attacker runs away, you can get away safely, or the authorities arrive.

ANYTIME an attacker puts his hands on you in any way, he is exposing SOMETHING. Learn to look for what is exposed and attack it. Then find the next opening and attack it. REPEAT until you can get home safely. 
Your goal is not to injure, maim, or kill...IT IS TO MAKE IT HOME ALIVE. That is all that matters.

Always... have a back up plan. If you carry a gun, carry a back up or another weapon...i.e. anything can break, and usually does when you need it most. (Murphey's Law)...If one tactic, tool, or target choice doesn't work try another and so on until you get to leave alive.

EVERYTHING IS A WEAPON 

 There are 3 types of weapons. Impact, cutting, and weapons of distraction. If you can't hurt them with it, throw it in their face and use the micro second of distraction to attack.

Use you hands, elbows, knees, feet...headbutt, bite, spit, and scream. If you want grace, do ballet. If you want to look pretty, join a pageant. If you want to survive a violent assault, do whatever it takes.

  • Keep it simple and vicious ...Complicated, fancy, and honorable are for fight tournaments and Karate movies.
  • Fight strength to weakness not strength to strength. If you are a lady, don't try and fist fight with a man, odds are that will be your strength vs his strength and most of the time men are just stronger...that's not sexist, just a physical fact. Strength to weakness is your fingers in his eyes. Your fist in his throat. Your foot in his groin or kneecap. Strength to weakness.
  • Never ever rely on PAIN to stop a violent attacker. Some people do not respond to pain for various reasons. You must incapacitate...i.e. take away his ability to continue the assault. Example would be...tearing out his eyeball or shattering his kneecap. If he can't see, walk, or breathe he can't keep coming after you.


Never-Land

NEVER go to a secondary location with an individual you suspect will cause you harm.
 Predators remove would be victims in order to separate them “from the herd”. 
No witnesses, and no one to stop them during their assault.
 Even if he has a gun trained on you...DO NOT go. 
Fight if no other option. 
People who go to secondary locations are at the greatest risk of being killed.

NEVER go walking or jogging wearing loud headsets. Not only should you be able to see your surroundings...you need to be able to hear them as well.

NEVER forget you have the option of saying...”NO”. If you are not comfortable allowing someone in your home or car, or even to be around you...YOU CAN SAY NO.

NEVER let the thought of a rapist dictate to you what you can wear. Provocative clothing may “excite” a man, but it will never make a decent man rape you. Rape is more about power than sex.


The Mind-Your Primary Defensive Tool

One of the Key Elements in security and self defence is a good mindset. It is also in the mind where the battle is usually won and lost...the body is just the stage on which this battle is played out. You must have the proper mindset to SURVIVE. Don't let fear control you. Trust your intuition. Fight strategically.

It is in your mind where the battle for survival is won or lost. You must have the survival mindset...the attitude that you will survive the attack. You must turn fear into determination to stay alive. 90% of Self Defence is in the mind...10% is physical. Wars are won and lost in the battlefield of the mind.

You must decide that you will not be a victim...that you will do any and everything you can to make it home alive. You must understand that in a violent assault you will get hurt...then you must get over it! Wounds will heal...death will not.

You must constantly be alert and aware of your surroundings to avoid being in a bad situation in the first place. However sometimes even the most alert person may find themselves in a bad predicament. You must then maintain your focus...to survive. Trust your "gut feelings"...trust your intuition...these are not supernatural or psychic responses...they are subprograms your brain constantly runs concerning the normal and not so normal behavior of others. If someone gives you the "creeps" there is a reason for it...just because you cannot "put your finger on it"...does not mean there is not a problem. Your subconcious has picked up on something that is abnormal...HEED your intuitive warnings.

A weapon without the brain is just a paperweight...any tactic without the proper mindset will fall to either luck or disaster...and neither of these can be counted on to keep you alive.

Self Defence Information provided by "First Line Personal Security"

http://www.mako.org.au/prelist.html

Articles and Publications of Interest:

This list of publications and researched articles has been selected for their informative content and insight into the cult phenomenon.

http://www.cifs.org.au/publications.php

CultWatcher Handbook   

http://www.cifs.org.au/CultAidBooklet.pdf

 

This booklet is a collection of papers and articles designed to give you an overall idea of the identifying marks of a cult, and to impart some strategies should you in some way be affected by an extremist group.

Tax Laws Amendment (Public Benefit Test) Bill 2010 - Senate Committee Report   

http://www.aph.gov.au/binaries/senate/committee/economics_ctte/public_benefit_test_10/report/report.pdf

 

This report of the Australian Senate Inquiry called for by Senator Xenophon has comprehensive recommendations including the establishment of a Charities Commission and a Federal cult-watch body similar to the French 'MIVILUDES'.

CIFS appreciates the opportunity to present evidence to the Inquiry regarding widespread harm and abuses of members by the many renegade cult-like groups who have been free of oversight for too long.

Research Paper

http://www.cifs.org.au/Denis%20Healy%20-%20Research%20Project-%20Retraumatising%20in%20Therapy.pdf

'An exploration of the methods used by therapists to address instances of re-traumatising in therapeutic meetings with former members of psychologically abusive cults.' Full PDF File

by Denis Healy

Abstract:

Various authors have disagreed about whether or not cults are harmful to individuals; whether members experience trauma during their time in the cult; and whether they continue to experience cult related traumas in the post-cult life. And, if this is the case, is there a special form of post cult post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)? Does potential exist for re-traumatisation during therapy? And, if it occurs, what is the therapists’ attitude to the incidence of trauma and what is the recommended approach to address it? ... more…

'Memoirs of a Spiritual Refugee'

https://thehumanist.com/magazine/november-december-2009/features/memoirs-of-a-spiritual-refugee

by Mary Garden

 Published in the The Humanist, November/December 2009

A review of Jane Stork's book, Breaking the Spell: My Life as a Rajneeshee and the Long Journey Back to Freedom (Pan Macmillan, 2009). This is the story of a spiritual quest that led not to lightness or freedom but to darkness and imprisonment. The title is apt. For those of us who have spent time in religious cults—even if we emerged relatively unscathed—looking back it can seem as if we have been under a spell, and we can be long haunted by the mental seduction that took place.

The After-Effects of Cult Involvement as Experienced by Former Members: 

http://www.cifs.org.au/CIFS-CultAfterEffects2006.pdf

An Investigation    

This Report, written on behalf of CIFS,

 aims to give former cult members and their families an understanding of common cult practices and their after-effects. In addition, this Report hopes to increase awareness and educate the public regarding the potential dangers of becoming involved in cults.

Tabled at 'Public Benefit Test' Senate Inquiry 28-June-2010.

the Skeptic articles by Michael Wolloghan:  

 

Combatting Cult Mind Control . . . CIFS Vision.

http://www.cifs.org.au/CombattingCultCulture%20fromTheSkepticVolume332013No3.pdf

Modern Mormons . . . Papyrus, DNA and faith.

http://www.cifs.org.au/MORMON.pdf

Adrian Norman: Visions of Paradise . . . Educational video.

http://www.cifs.org.au/VisionsofParadise.pdf

Diana Pletts: Phoenix Project . . . Art as therapy.

http://www.cifs.org.au/PhoenixProject.pdf

Gillie Jenkinson: Cult Recovery . . . What helps.

http://www.cifs.org.au/GillieJenkinson.pdf

THE APOSTATE   

 

Paul Haggis vs. the Church of Scientology.   

by Lawrence Wright

http://www.cifs.org.au/PaulHaggis-vs-Scientology.pdf

'The New Yorker Article'

Can Meditation Be Bad for You?   by Mary Garden

http://www.users.bigpond.com/marygarden/

http://www.cifs.org.au/CanMeditationBeBadForYou.pdf

 

by Mary Garden Published in the Humanist, September/October 2007.

A compilation of personal experiences, modern therapies and contemporary brain research.

'Scientology'   

by John August, Humanist Society of NSW president. 

http://www.cifs.org.au/JohnAugustScientology.php

Published in the Australian Humanist, No. 102 WINTER 2011

The Emotional Pain of Leaving a Cult   

http://www.cifs.org.au/EmotionalPain.php

A list compiled by the late Jan Groenveld.

Jan Groenveld operated the Cult Awareness & Information Centre in Brisbane. She compiled a list of responses compiled from her counselling of people who have left cults.

Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups    

http://www.cifs.org.au/CAWCG.pdf

A checklist developed by Michael Langone.

Published in the new book, Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships by Janja Lalich and Madeleine Tobias (Berkeley: Bay Tree Publishing, 2006).

The Trouble With Gurus 

http://www.users.bigpond.com/marygarden/   

by Mary Garden

http://www.cifs.org.au/TheTroubleWithGurus.pdf

 Published in the Australian Financial Review, 21 November, 2003 pp. 6-7

An inside look at the world of Indian Gurus.

Quote: "If the guru is seen as infallible, then the disciples are always to blame: it is their karma. On the other hand, what the guru does is a divine lila (game) or 'test'. "

What Is A Cult? - 2006   

http://www.cifs.org.au/awareness.ppt

This links to an introductory powerpoint presentation of what cults are and how they operate.

Coercive Mind Control Tactics by Dr Margaret Singer

http://factnet.org/coercive-mind-control-tactics

Terminology note: Today Mind control or brainwashing in academia is commonly referred to as coercive persuasion, coercive psychological systems or coercive influence. This short description comes from Dr. Margaret Singer professor emeritus at the University of California at Berkeley the acknowledged leading authority in the world on mind control and cults.

Dangerous Persuaders by Louise Samways (81 pages)

http://www.louisesamways.com.au/

http://www.louisesamways.com.au/dangerous-persuaders-penguin-1994-updated-e-book-2007/

An exposé of gurus, personal development courses and cults, and how they operate.

The complete book is available for download via this link

Cults and Families by Doni Whitsett and Stephen Kent (12 pages)

http://www.cifs.org.au/Families.pdf

From: 'Families in Society: The Journal of Contemporary Human Services' 2003

They conclude with discussion of therapeutic challenges that therapists face when working with cult-involved clients and make preliminary recommendations for treatment.

MALIGNANT NARCISSISM,

L. Ron Hubbard, and Scientology’s Policies of Narcissistic Rage -2008 (44 pages)

https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/malignant-narcissim-l-ron-hubbard-and-scientologys-policies-of-narcisstic-rag

"In this article, we argue that Scientology’s founder, L. Ron Hubbard, was a malignant narcissist who created organizational policies against perceived enemies that reflected his narcissistic rage."

Published in French: Criminologie (Les Presses de l'Université de Montréal) 41 (2): 117–155.

Churches that Abuse by Dr. Ronald M. Enroth. (231 pages)

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/704-abusive-churches-a-view-from-within

"But when they violate that trust, when they abuse their authority, and when they misuse ecclesiastical power to control and manipulate the flock, the results can be catastrophic. The perversion of power that we see in abusive churches disrupts and divides families, fosters an unhealthy dependence of members on the leadership, and creates, ultimately, spiritual confusion in the lives of victims."

The complete book is available for download via this link

A report for the Parliament of Australia - Joint Committee

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House_of_Representatives_Committees?url=jfadt/religion/relindex.htm

Conviction with Compassion: A Report on Freedom of Religion and Belief to both Houses of Parliament on 27 November 2000.

Chapter 10: Point 10.26 onward discusses the CIFS submission to Parliament.


Safety Tips for Women (and men) 

http://www.mako.org.au/safetyforwomen2.html

http://www.mako.org.au/referral.html

http://www.mako.org.au/newsarchive.html

WANTED OFFENDERS

http://www.mako.org.au/ausnews114.html

CIFS is an Australian support and information network. CIFS was initially formed by parents and family members of loved ones caught up in abusive groups.

The network has grown to include families, friends, former members and concerned individuals working together towards a common goal, to provide support and develop awareness for those affected by high demand groups or cultic relationships.

For further information, support or to or become an Associate Member of CIFS...

Website: http://www.cifs.org.au

info@cifs.org.au

Ph: 0423-332-766

CIFS : GPO Box 1690 ,Sydney, NSW, 2001,A USTRALIA

www.cifs.org.au 

(31-5-2009) 
http://www.cifs.org.au/disappeared.php

http://www.mako.org.au/safetyforwomen2.html

Important - All women should empower themselves with safety tips and information. 
 The information below could prevent you from being sexually assaulted or even Save Your Life !!....... 
The mind is your greatest self defensive weapon. Always have it with you!


http://www.mako.org.au/safetyforwomen2.html

http://www.mako.org.au/referral.html

http://www.mako.org.au/newsarchive.html

WANTED OFFENDERS

http://www.mako.org.au/ausnews114.html

http://www.mako.org.au/referral.html

ACT 
Crimestoppers 
Ph: 1800 333 000 

Australian Federal Police
Sexual Assault Unit
Winchester Centre
Cnr. College St & Benjamin Way
Belconnen ACT 2616 
Ph:(02) 6256 7777 

Canberra Rape Crisis (CRCC)- crcc.org.au 
PO Box 3805
Weston Creek ACT 2611 
Ph: (02) 6247 2525 
Text Only: 0488 586 518 
Email: crcc@crcc.org.au 

SAMSSA- samssa.org.au 
Service Assisting Male Survivors of Sexual Assault 
PO Box 3805 
Weston Creek ACT 2611 
Ph:(02) 6287 3935 (Monday – Friday, 9am – 5pm) 
24hr hotline- 02) 6247 2525 
E-mail- samssa@samssa.org.au 

Child at Risk Unit
The Canberra Hospital
Gilmore Crescent
Garran ACT 2605 
Ph: (02) 6244 2717 -(Child sexual assault only) 

FAMSAC
Forensic & Medical Sexual Assault Care
Building 5
The Canberra Hospital
Garran ACT 2605
Ph:02 6244 2184 

NSW 
Crimestoppers 
Ph: 1800 333 000 

VOSA - Victims of sexual assault 
NSW Government - Help for victims of Sexual Assault 
Ph: 1800 633 063 
Ph: (02) 8688 5511 

VOCAL - Victims of Crime Assistance League (NSW) 
vocal.org.au - addressing issues for victims of any crime, through any stage including advocacy and lobbying. 
47 Hudson Street
Hamilton, NSW 2303 
Phone: 02) 4961 4755 
24hr Assistance: (02) 8688 5511 or 1800 633 063 
Fax: 02) 4961 2378 
Email: ceo@vocal.org.au 

The Children’s Hospital Westmead
Child Protection Unit
Postal: The Children’s Hospital at Westmead
Locked Bag 4001
Westmead 2145
Ph: 9845 2434
Ph:9845 0000 (24 hrs) 

Central Sydney- Eastern & Central Sexual Assault Service 
Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Level 9
Queen Mary Building, Grose Street
Camperdown 2050
Ph: 9515 3680
Ph: 9515 6111 (24 hrs) 

Southern Sydney Sexual Assault Service
St George Hospital
36 Belgrave St 
Kogarah 2217
BH: 9113-2494
Ah: 9113 1111 

Child Protection Unit
Sydney Children’s Hospital, Level 3
High Street, Randwick 2031
Ph: 9382 1412
Ph: 9382 1111 (24hrs) 

Northern Sydney Sexual Assault Service
Royal North Shore Hospital
Pacific Hwy, St Leonards 2065
Ph: 9926 7580
Ph:9926 7111 (24 hrs) 

Child Protection Service
Royal North Shore Hospital
Pacific Hwy, St Leonards 2065
Ph: 9926 6060
Ph:9926 7111 (24 hrs) 

Wentworth Sexual Assault Service
Nepean Hospital
Postal: PO Box 63
Penrith, NSW, 2751
Ph: 4734 2512
Ph: 4734 2000 (24 hrs) 

Western Sydney- Blacktown/ Mt Druitt Sexual Assault Service
Postal: PO Box 6010 
Blacktown 2148 
Ph: 9881 8700 

Westmead Sexual Assault Service

Ph: 9845 7940
Ph:9845 5555 (24 hrs) 

South West Sydney Bankstown Sexual Assault Service
Bankstown Community Health Centre
36 – 38 Raymond Street, Bankstown 2200
Ph: 9780 2777
Ph:9828 3000 (24 hrs) 

Liverpool/ Fairfield Sexual Assault Service
Liverpool Hospital Level 3
Campbell & Goulburn Sts, Liverpool 2170
Ph: 9828 4844
Ph:9828 4809
Ph:9828 3000 (24 hrs) 

Macarthur Sexual Assault Service
Rosemeadow Community Health Centre
4 Thomas Rose Drive, Rosemeadow 2560 
Ph:4633 4100
Ph:4629 2111
Ph:9828 3000 (24 hrs) 

Wingecarribee Sexual Assault Service
Wingecarribee Community Health Centre
Bendooley St, Bowral 2576
Ph: 4861 8000
Ph: 9828 3000 (24 hrs) 

Illawarra Nowra Sexual Assault Service
Shoalhaven Hospital
Postal: PO Box 55, Nowra 2541
Ph: 4423 9211 

Urunga House Sexual Assault Service
Wollongong Hospital
Ph: 4222 5408
Ph: 4222 5000 (24 hrs) 

Hunter Newcastle Sexual Assault Service
John Hunter Hospital
Ph: 4924 6333
Ph:4921 3888 (24 hrs) 

Upper Hunter Sexual Assault Service
Muswellbrook Community Health Centre
Ph: 6542 2050 or Freecall: 1800 642357 

Lower Hunter Sexual Assault Service
Lower Hunter Community Health Centre
58 Stronach Ave, East Maitland 2323
Ph: 4933 4422
Ph: 4921 3888 (24 hrs) 

Macquarie Dubbo Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6885 8999
Ph: 6885 8632 (24 hrs) 

Coonabarabran Sexual Assault Service
Coonabarabran Community Health Centre
Cassilis St, Coonabarabran 2357
Ph: 6842 6404
Ph: 6885 8632 (24 hrs) 

Far West Lightning Ridge Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6829 1022 

Broken Hill Sexual Assault Service
Broken Hill Community Health Centre 
PO Box 457 
Broken Hill 2880
Ph: (08) 8088 5800
Ph:(08) 8088 8033 

Bathurst Sexual Assault Service
Bathurst Community Health Centre
William St, Bathurst 2795
Ph: 6331 5533
Ph: 6339 5311 (24 hrs) 

Parkes Sexual Assault Service 
Parkes Community Health Centre
Coleman Rd, Parkes 2870
Ph: 6862 1866
Ph: 6339 5311 (24 hrs) 

New England Moree Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6757 3632
Ph: 6757 9222 (24 hrs) 

Narrabri Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6799 5100
Ph: 6792 1666 (24 hrs)
Ph: 6799 5066 (24 hrs) 

Armidale Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6776 4738
Ph: 6776 4622 (24 hrs) 

Glenn Innes Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6730 2611
Ph:6730 2000 (24 hrs) 

Tamworth Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6766 2555
Ph: 6766 1722 (24 hrs) 

Inverell Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6728 8411
Ph: 6728 8300 (24 hrs) 

Gunnedah Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6740 2888 (24hrs) 

Mid North Coast Port Macquarie Sexual Assault Service
Port Macquarie Community Health Centre
Morton Street, Port Macquarie 2444
Ph: 6588 2882 

Kempsey Sexual Assault Service
Kempsey Community Health Centre
Polwood St, Kempsey 2440
Ph: 6562 6066
Ph: 6562 6155 (24 hrs) 

Taree Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6551 5443
Ph: 6552 1327
Ph: 6628 5343 (24 hrs) 

Coffs Harbour Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6659 1424
Ph: 6652 2866 (24 hrs) 

Northern Rivers Clarence Sexual Assault Service
Grafton Community Health Centre
Ph: 6640 2402 

Richmond Sexual Assault Service
Lismore Hospital, Indigo House
Ph: 6620 2970
Ph: 6621 8000 (24 hrs) 

Tweed Valley Sexual Assault Service
Tweed Heads Community Health Centre
Ph: (07) 5506 7540 

Southern Queanbeyan Sexual Assault Service
Queanbeyan Community Health Centre
Ph: 6298 9233 

Goulburn Sexual Assault Service
Goulburn Community Health Centre
Ph: 4827 3913
Ph: 4827 3111 (24 hrs) 

Young Sexual Assault Service
Young Community Health Centre
Ph: 6382 1522
Ph: 6382 4368 

Bega Valley Sexual Assault Service
Bega Community Health Centre
Ph: 6492 4416 (24 hrs) 

Eurobodalla Sexual Assault Service
Moruya Community Health Centre
Ph: 4474 2149
Ph: 6492 4416 (24 hrs) 

Cooma Sexual Assault Service
Cooma Community Health Centre
Ph: 6455 3201
Ph: 6455 3222 (24 hrs) 

Greater Murray Wagga Sexual Assault Service
Wagga Community Health Centre
Ph: 6938 6411
Ph:6938 6666 (24 hrs) 

Griffith Sexual Assault Service
Griffith Community Health Centre
39 Yambil St, Griffith 2680
Ph: 6962 3900
Ph: 6962 1266 (24 hrs) 

Deniliquin Sexual Assault Service
Deniliquin Community Health Centre
Ph: (03) 5881 9690
Ph: (03) 5881 2222 (24 hrs) 

Albury Sexual Assault Service
Albury Community Health Centre
Ph: 6058 1843
Ph: 6058 4642 (24 hrs) 

Bourke Sexual Assault Service
Bourke Community Health Centre 
Ph: 6870 8899
Ph: 6870 8888 

Mid West Orange Sexual Assault Service
Ph: 6360 7853 

Cowra Sexual Assault Service
Cowra Hospital, Cowra 2797
Ph: 6342 2022
Ph: 6342 1411 (24 hrs) 

VIC 
Crimestoppers 
Ph: 1800 333 000 

State Wide Sexual Assault Crisis Line 
Ph: 1800 806 292 

Broken Rites
Support group for Australian victims within the church.
Postal: Broken Rite Collective Inc.
P.O Box 163, Rosanna, Vic, 3084.
National Hotline: (03) 9457 4999. 

Crime Victims Support Association
Ph: (03) 9758 4512 
Mobile: 0419 897 615 
Email: crimevictims@optusnet.com.au 

Child Wise
National Helpline: 1800 991 099
Email: helpline@childwise.net
Ph: (03) 96458911


Victoria Homicide Victims Support Group
www.victoriahomicide.com.au
Ph: 0459 430 946 

Division of Clinical Forensic Medicine
Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine
11 Moore St, Southbank 3006- arranged via Victorian Police
Ph:(03) 9684 4444 

Victorian CASA www.casa.org.au
Sexual Assault Crisis Line- ph: 1800 806 292
Sexual assault counselling ph: 1800 RESPECT
Email: ahcasa@thewomens.org.au 

Gatehouse Centre
level 5, South East Building
Royal Children’s Hospital
Flemington Road, Parkville 3052
Ph: (03) 9345 6391
AH: (03) 9345 5522 

Melbourne Sexual Health Centre
580 Swanston Street, Carlton 3053
Ph:(03) 9347 0244 or Freecall: 1800 032 017 

Mallee Sexual Assault Unit
Ph: (03) 5025 5400 

Office Of Public Prosecutions - www.opp.vic.gov.au 

QLD 
Crimestoppers 
Ph: 1800 333 000 

Statewide Sexual Assault Help Line
Ph: 1800 010 120 

Bayside Sexual Assault Service
Ph: (07) 3821 9558 
AH:(07) 3821 9558 

Brisbane Rape & Incest Survivors Support Centre
Ph: (07) 3391 0004 

Brisbane Sexual Assault/ Crisis Service
Ph: (07) 3636 5206 
AH: (07) 3636 5206 

Community Counselling Service
Ph: (07) 3636 5207 

Bundaberg Area Sexual Assault Service
Ph: (07) 4153 4299 

Cairns Rape Crisis & Incest Service
Ph: (07) 4031 3590 
AH: (07) 4031 3590 

Centre Against Sexual Violence (Logan) 
Ph: (07) 3808 3299 

Gladstone Region Sexual Assault Service
Ph: (07) 4972 7404 

Ipswich Women’s Health Centre & Sexual Assault Service 
Ph: (07) 3812 0138
AH: (07) 3812 0138 

24 Hour Response (for recent sexual assault)
Ph: (07) 3202 2766
AH: (07) 3202 2766 

Jasper House Sexual Assault Support Service 
Ph:(07) 5433 8888 
AH: (07) 5433 8888 

Jasper House Community - Caboolture 
Ph: (07) 5433 8300 

Jasper House Community - Redcliffe
Ph:(07) 3883 7300 

Longreach Women’s Sexual Assault Support Service
Ph: (07) 4658 3344 

Mackay Sexual Assault Service
Ph: (07) 4968 3919 

Mt Isa Sexual Assault Service 
Ph: (07) 4744 4425 
AH: (07) 4744 4425 

Rockhampton Sexual Assault Support/ Prevention Service
Ph:(07) 4922 6585 
AH: 1800 017 382 

Sexual Assault Support Service (Gold Coast)
Ph: (07) 5591 1164 

South Burnett Women’s Service
Ph: (07) 4162 5439 
AH: (07) 4162 5439 

Sunshine Coast & Gympie Sexual Assault Support Service
Ph: (07) 5443 4711 

Tableland Sexual Assault Service
Ph: (07) 4091 4036
AH: (07) 4091 4036 

Toowoomba Sexual Assault Support Service
Ph: (07) 4631 6950
AH: (07) 4631 6211 

Townsville Thuringowa Sexual Assault Support Service
Ph: (07) 4775 7555 
AH: (07) 4775 7555
Freecall: 1800 657 501 

Whitsunday Sexual Assault Service
Ph: (07) 4946 5211 
AH: (07) 4946 5211 

Wide Bay Sexual Assault Service
Ph: (07) 4121 5999
AH: (07) 4121 5999 

Bravehearts - www.bravehearts.org.au
Outside Bris (QLD only): 1800 114474
Bris (metro): (07) 3290 4474 
Gold Coast : (07) 5591 1244 


WWILD-SVP (Women with Intellectual/ Learning Disabilities)
Ph: (07) 3262 9877 

SA 
Crimestoppers 
Ph: 1800 333 000 

Police - Ph: 131 444 

Child and Youth Health Parent Help Line
Ph: 1300 364 100 

Kids Help Line Couselling Service
Ph: 1800 55 1800 

Women's and Children's Hospital
Ph: 81 617000 

Child Protection Services
Women's and Children's Hospital
Ph: 81 617346 

Flinders Medical Centre Paediatric Department
Ph: 82 044629
Ph: 82 044915 

Child Abuse Report Line
Ph: 131 478 

Child Abuse Prevention Service 24hrs
Freecall: 1800 688 009 

Women's Information Service
Ph: 83 030590 

Kidsafe The Child Accident Prevention Foundation
Ph: 81 616318 

Yarrow Place Rape/ Sexual Assault Service
2nd Floor, Norwich Centre
55 King William Road, North Adelaide SA 5006 
Ph:(08) 8226 8777
AH: (08) 8226 8787
Freecall: 1800 817 421 

Streetlink (service for streetkids)
28 Peel St, Adelaide 5000
Ph:(08) 82314844 

Men’s Information and Support Centre
PO Box 8036, Adelaide 5000
Ph:(08) 8212 0331 

Women’s Health Statewide - www.whs.sa.gov.au
64 Pennington Tce, North Adelaide 5006
Ph:(08) 8239 9600
Freecall: 1800 182 098 (SA women only) 

Shine SA
17 Phillips St, Kensington 5068
Ph:(08) 8341 5177
Ph:(08) 8364 0444 

Kumangka Aboriginal Health Service
6 Mary St Hindmarsh
Ph:(08) 8340 4499
Ph:0417 513 332
Ph:0417 866 371 

Regional health Services Angaston
Angaston District Hospital
Ph: (08) 8564 2062 

Region health Services- Yorke Peninsula
Ernest Terrace, Wallaroo 5556
Ph:(08) 8823 2100 

Lower North Community Health Centre
47 Farel Flat Rd, Clare 5433
Ph:(08) 8842 3355 

Region Health Service
Murray Bridge Hospital, Murray Bridge 5253
Ph:(08) 8532 8333 

Hills and Fleurieu Region Health Service
Mt Barker Hospital, Mt Barker 5251
Ph:(08) 8393 1833 

Region Health Service - Mount Gambier
Ph:(08) 8275 5822 

Coober Pedy Family Resource Centre
Ph:(08) 8672 5009 

Port Augusta Hospital
Hospital Rd, Port Augusta 5700
Ph:(08) 8648 5500 

Whyalla Community Health Service
5 Wood St, Whyalla 600
Ph:(08) 8645 3200 

WA 
Crimestoppers 
Ph: 1800 333 000 

Sexual Assault Resource Centre- Subiaco
Ph:(08) 9340 1820
Ph:(08) 9340 1828 (crisis line) 

Princess Margaret Hospital for Children
Ph:(08) 9340 8546 

Albany SARC
Ph:(08) 9892 2498 

Allambee Counselling Services- Mandurah
Ph:(08) 9535 8263 

Kalgoorlie SARC
Ph: (08) 9091 1922 

Acacia Support Centre - South Hedland 
Ph: (08) 9172 5022 

Waratah Women's Support Centre
Ph: (08) 9791 2884 

Kimberley Sexual Assault Information Service
Ph: (08) 9192 5114 

Gascoyne Mental Health Service - Carnarvon
Ph: (08) 9941 0560 

Geraldton SARC
Ph: (08) 9964 1853 

TAS 
Crimestoppers 
Ph: 1800 333 000 

Sexual Assault Support Service - North Hobart
Ph:03 6231 1811 

Laurel House
Ph:03 6334 2740 

Northwest Centre Against Sexual Assault
Ph:03 6431 9711 

NT 
Crimestoppers 
Ph: 1800 333 000 

Sexual Assault Referral Centre - Casuarina
Ph: (08) 8922 7156 

Ruby Gaea Centre against Rape - Darwin
Ph:(08) 8945 0155 

Sexual Crimes Unit - Police - Berrimah
Ph:(08) 8922 3188 

NT Police Domestic Violence Unit
Phoenix Street Nightcliff
Ph:(08) 8948 0110 

Sexual Assault Co-ordinator
Accident & Emergency - Katherine Hospital
Ph:(08) 8973 9188 

Sexual Assault Counsellor - Katherine
Ph:(08) 8971 0777 

Women's Crisis Centre - Katherine
Ph:(08) 8972 1332 

Women's Information & Legal Service - Katherine
Ph:(08) 8972 1712 

Sexual Assault Counsellor - Tennant Creek
Ph:(08) 8962 1715 

Crisis Accommodation
Ph:(08) 8987 1166.


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Elderly woman sexually assaulted outside her Mackay home 

Police have released a comfit image of a suspect in the sexual assault of an elderly woman in Mackay. 

Police have released an image of a man who is believed to have sexually assaulted an elderly woman in her front yard in north Queensland. 
The stranger approached the woman outside her Mackay home and sexually assaulted her before running away about 7pm on Monday. 
The woman was treated in hospital. 
The man is described as Caucasian in appearance, in his early 20s, of a slim build and has shoulder-length dark hair. 
He was last seen wearing a dark shirt and dark pants. 
Earlier, a community in Mackay is reeling after the callous sexual assault of an elderly woman on her property. 
The Courier-Mail understands the 80-year-old lady – who lives alone – was attacked after she had been walking her dog. 
A source close to the victim said her friend had just been for a walk to the local shops before the incident occurred. 
Reports suggest a man approached her in the front yard of her Finch St property about 7pm and asked for directions to Lamberts Beach. 
Police said he then forced the woman into the backyard where the sexual assault took place. 
The assailant then fled the scene on foot. 
He is described as being in his early 20s, Caucasian, slim, with shoulder-length dark hair. 
He was wearing a dark shirt and dark pants at the time of the attack. 
The victim was taken to the Mackay Base Hospital for treatment but was released just after midnight. 
It is understood she has lived at the property for over 30 years. 
One resident said the attack had shaken the long-term residents – many of whom are elderly. 
“It’s been a good community where everyone feels safe,” she said. 
“But now a lot of people are feeling anxious and afraid. 
“Everybody will have to start locking their doors now.” 
Police used sniffer dogs to search the area, but are yet to locate a suspect. 
Anyone with information should contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or the Mackay CIB on 4968 


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                        Further to the previous media release regarding the alleged attempted abduction of a 15-year-old boy at Dulkara Road Ingle Farm at about 11.30am on
                        Monday 19 March, 2012, the victim has been able to assist police by producing a computer generated image of the suspect's face.
                        He is described as Caucasian, approximately 40 years of age with a shaved head.  He was about 182 cm tall, thin build and unshaven appearance.
                        At the time he was wearing a dark t-shirt and blue denim jeans.If anyone recognises the suspect or has any information at all regarding this matter,
                        they are asked to contact Bank SA Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or online at www.sa.crimestoppers.com.au 
Attempted abduction 15yr old boy (SA) 
NSW- Bourke 
NSW Government will today announce a $100,000 reward for information concerning a
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                        Ms Williams, 25, has bravely recorded an interview about her ordeal 
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SA- Wynn Vale/ Modbury Heights
Police are investigating 6 incidents of indecent behaviour in Adelaide's northeast in the past 4 months.
                        Offences, took place between Jan 23-Apr 28, particularly in Wynn Vale/ Modbury Heights.
                        Suspect is a male aged between 25-50 yrs, Caucasian, 180-188cm tall, slim-medium build,
                        dark brown collar length hair,tanned complexion. Vehicle described as red/ maroon 1985-1990 model Holden Commodore sedan (or similar),
                        black trim / bumper bars. Anyone who has any information- call Crime Stoppers-1800 333 000
Offences occurred -Jan 23-Apr 28, 2011
VIC- Chermside 
WANTED: Image of the man sought over the wilful exposure incident
                        involving a teenage girl at a Chermside bus stop, on Maundrell Terrace between 7.30am and 8am on April 12, 2011. Described as chubby with a pot belly,
                        brown hair, fair complexion, aged around 35-40/ about 173cm tall. He was wearing a baseball cap, sunglasses, dark T-shirt with green band and
                        small logo across the front, black running shorts, running shoes, carrying a small laptop computer- Contact Crimestopppers on 1800 333 000
VIC-Frankston North
Police have released this image of a man wanted in connection with the
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Police comfit of suspect
VIC- Wyndham 
Police image of suspect wanted over pool attack



VIC (Frankston) 
A face image of a man and woman whom police believe can help with inquiries






Hunt for attackers- West End rape (QLD) 
The comfit images of the suspects involved in the West End rape released by police






VIC- Ringwood 

Victim was a woman (22-4-2011)

VIC - Parkville 

Victim was a woman (28-4-2011)

NSW - Grafton
Assault case... A computer-generated image of the man police wish to see
Victim was a woman (March 2011)

Morayfield
16-4-2011- Similiar Vechicle: Police have supplied this picture of a van that looks similiar to the one the suspect used
Victim was a 10yr old boy

VIC - Kyneton
Police are hunting a flasher who exposed himself to a grandmother and her 4yr old grandson at Kyneton library on the 24-3-2011 about 3:30pm.The pair were in the children’s book section when the man exposed himself and engaged in lewd behaviour.
                        He was aged in his late 40s to early 50s, about 180cm, Caucasian, of solid build and had messy brown and grey hair.He wore dark tracksuit pants. Anyone with information is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000
24-3-2011

VIC - Berwick 
Police are investigating reports that a man indecently assaulted a  15yr old girl in a
                        park at Berwick on Sunday, March 27. The man engaged the girl in conversation before indecently assaulting her.The man is described as being about 70 years old, with a long white beard and wearing yellow robes and turban. Anyone who may have witnessed this incident to contact them.
                        Anyone with information is asked to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000
Victim was a girl (27-3-2011)

Clayton- 2011 (VIC) 

Victim- 86yr old woman

VIC- Gippsland (2011) 

22yr old woman assaulted

WA - Armadale 

Victim - 11yr old boy

VIC - Narre Warren 

Attempted abduction 


Attempted Abduction 
 
Oct 2008 
Have you Seen this man?


Help find this man 

12yr old girl assaulted
Sex Attack (qld) 

(8-1-2007) 
Victim- teenage girl

Sex Attacks (vic) 
 
Do You Know This Man?
Call Crimestoppers

Sydney (nsw) 
 
Victims were 2 boys 

Greens Rd (vic) 
 
(19-4-2006) 
Victim was a woman

Brompton (sa) 

21-3- 2004
Victim 16yr old girl 

Seaford (sa) 
 
25-2- 2004
Victim woman in her 30's

Hindley St (sa) 
 
31-12- 2003
Victim was a teenager

Pitman Park (sa) 
 
16-7- 2003
28yr old woman 

Nth Adelaide (sa) 
 
 1-6- 2003
Victim 36yr old woman

Adelaide (sa) 
 
 9-7- 2004
Victim woman (in 20's) 


Freemantle (WA) 
 
27-1-2009 

Adelaide (sa) 
 
21-6- 2004
Victim 14yr old boy 

Townsville (qld) 
 
Victim was a 19yr old woman (Dec 2005) 

Woodville (sa) 
 
July, 2004
Victim 3yr old girl. 

Woodville (sa) 
 
July, 2004 
Victim 3yr old girl 

Melbourne (vic)

16-4- 2004
Victim 8yr old girl 

Ballarat (vic) 
 
10-7-2004
Victims two, 8yr old girls

Walkerville (sa) 

9-11-2004
Victim was a young girl

Dudley Park 

3-11-2004
Victim was a woman in her 50's

Bowden (SA) 

20-7-2004
Female Student

Bowden (SA) 

20-7-2004
Female Student

Christie Beach (sa) 

Two 14yr old girls
(Suspect arrested)
 

Abottsford (vic) 

Oct- 2004
Women aged 54yrs 

Adelaide (sa) 

Wanted- Rapist 

Sydney
 
Serial Rapist 

Clearview (sa) 
 
Rapist 

Clearview (sa) 
 
Rapist 

Brahma Lodge (sa) 
 
Nightstalker 

Elizabeth Grove (sa) 
 
(19-2-2005) 
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Mydeathspace.com - Sarah Spiers missing 26 January 1996 from Claremont, Perth, Western Australia

http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?15465-Sarah-Spiers-missing-26-January-1996-from-Claremont-Perth-Western-Australia

16-05-2010 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

The sex worker right? There isn't much information about her case ... I have been meaning to go and check the archives for any newspaper articles about her murder. As well as Kerryn Tate. Do you know when she was found, the sex worker? 

As far as I know, there was one suspect in that case, who was allegedly implicated in another incident around the same time period involving the kidnapping/assault of another sex worker, and police were looking at links between the two because of the similiarities in location.

I have been trying to find out more about the missing/unsolved murder cases in W.A. There is not a lot of information relating to many of the disappearances, aside from the Claremont victims. So far, I have counted 28 missing/murdered girls in W.A since 1979.

Sarah Spiers missing 26 January 1996 from Claremont, Perth, Western Australia

The disappearance of Sarah Spiers is part of Australia's longest running murder investigation into what is known as the Claremont serial murders.

The Claremont Murders involve the abduction and murder of atleast three young women (one of whom has never been recovered), who disappeared from the same location, under similiar circumstances, in the 1990s from the wealthy suburb of Claremont in Perth, Western Australia. The case began with the disappearance of Sarah Spiers (18) on 27 January 1996.  

SARAH ELLEN SPIERS 


MISSING: 27 January 1996

LAST SEEN: Claremont, Perth, Western Australia

DOB: 12/09/1977 

HAIR: Blond 

BUILD: Medium 

EYES: Green

CLOTHING: Tailored Portman's beige shorts; Light coloured T-Shirt; Black denim jacket; Beige suede shoes

OTHER ITEMS: Yellow metal sunflower key-ring; National Australia bank card


CIRCUMSTANCES: 

Sarah Spiers, an 18 year-old secretary, disappeared on Saturday, 27 January 1996, after leaving a nightclub in the wealthy suburb of Claremont, Perth, Western Australia. 

On the night she vanished, Sarah Spiers had been celebrating Australia Day with friends at the Ocean Beach Hotel in Cottesloe. At 12:15AM, Sarah's older sister and flatmate, Amanda Spiers (20), dropped the group at the Club Bayview, on St Quentin's Avenue, in Claremont.

When Sarah Spiers left the Club Bayview, her friends were not ready to leave. Sarah Spiers was last seen at approximately 2AM, leaving the club alone, with the intention of catching a taxi.

Phone records show Sarah called a taxi from a payphone in the immediate area. However, when the taxi arrived at the pick-up location on the corner of Stirling Highway and Stirling Road at 2:06AM (six minutes after the appointment was made), there was no signs of Sarah.

When Sarah Spiers failed to return home to the unit she shared with her sister, the initial alarm bells were raised. By the Sunday evening, when she had still failed to make contact, her concerned family reported Sarah Spiers as a missing person to the W.A Police. 

Initially, for the first fortnight, W.A Police treated her disappearance as a missing person case. However, due to the unusual circumstances surrounding her disappearance, those close to Sarah knew this was not possible, as she would never fail to communicate with her friends and family, and there was nothing in her background to indicate that she would voluntarily vanish. 

Sarah Spiers has not been seen or heard from since this date, and despite extensive inquiries by the W.A Police, her whereabouts remain unknown. 

Although Sarah Spier’s body has not been recovered, it is now presumed that she was almost certainly abducted and murdered. Police theorise she was abducted within two minutes of making the phone call to the taxi company – the amount of the time it takes for a cab to travel from nearby Eric Street, Cottesloe, where the taxi logged the job-call.

It is also believed that she is a victim of the so-called Claremont Serial Killer, who was operating in Claremont between 1996 and 1997. 

***


A few months after Sarah Spiers disappeared, on 9 June 1996, Jane Rimmer (23) disappeared from the same part of Claremont. In August 1996, her naked body was discovered in a roadside verge, on Woolcoot Road, in Wellard. 


Jane Rimmer


Ciara Glennon (27) disappeared from the Claremont area on 14 March 1997. On 3 April 2007, her body was found in scrub on Pipidinny Road, in the northern Perth suburb of Eglinton. 


Ciara Glennon


Speculation is rife that these were not the first victims of an unidentified serial killer. Western Australia has a number of missing person cases spanning back many years, many of whom are young women, who have vanished, never to be seen or heard from again. Julie Cutler (22), who disappeared on 20 June 1988 after leaving a staff function at the Parmelia Hilton Hotel after a staff function, is one case that has been allegedly linked to the Claremont cases ( http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/profile.aspx?Id=1338)

The police investigation into the Claremont cases (headed under the Macro taskforce) has been surrounded by absolute secrecy and has been heavily criticised over the course of the investigation by the public and media alike. They have identified dozens of potential suspects, including a few high-profile persons of interest, but to date there have been no arrests made. 

The case is on-going.

LINKS:

Wiki article on the Claremont Serial Murders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_serial_murders

2004 program transcript of the ABC's 'Australian Story', which explores the Claremont Murders :   http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s1042100.htm


'Closing in on a killer' article (2004):
' http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/24/1095961862193.html

Murder suspect drove Holden wagon  

A young man warned murder victim Ciara Glennon not to get into a white Holden station wagon the night she disappeared from Claremont.

The man and two others waiting at a bus stop near Christ Church on Stirling Highway saw her talking to the occupants of the car.

She had her knees bent and the palms of her hands resting on her knees to bring her down to the car's passenger window level.

One of the men called out to her that she was stupid to hitch-hike.

Ms Glennon looked up and waved him off with a middle finger sign, and continued talking to the car occupants.

The young men at the bus-stop looked away. When they looked back, both Ms Glennon and the car had disappeared.

Ms Glennon's body was found in coastal scrub 40km north of Perth two weeks later.

She was the last of three young women who disappeared from central Claremont after leaving local nightspots.

The 27-year-old Mosman Park lawyer was seen standing on the footpath in Stirling Highway talking through the window to the occupants of the Holden.

Police have never released a description of the car.

So far no witnesses have come forward to say they saw her get into that car or any other.

Police have not been able to trace the Holden, its occupants or the occupants of the five other cars known to have been passing at the time.

They are very anxious to do so.

At a press conference on Thursday, Major Crime detective superintendent Jeff Byleveld said it was not clear whether or not the wagon was a taxi, and said witness accounts of it could not be confirmed.

But at least one of the young men is positive it was a white Holden station wagon without taxi markings.

It is a mark of honour among many young men to instantly distinguish Holdens from their similar-looking rival Fords.

Ms Glennon disappeared around midnight on March 17, 1997. She had been drinking at the Continental Hotel, now the Claremont,

Young men in a car in Stirling Highway also feature in newly released information about the sighting of a car seen next to Sarah Spiers in Stirling Road more than a year earlier.

Ms Spiers (18) was the first of the three young women to disappear.

On Australia Day 1996, she vanished after calling a taxi from a phone box in Stirling Road, Claremont, diagonally opposite Christ Church.

The new information is that the young men in a car in Stirling Highway saw her cross Stirling Road to wait by the kerb.

They discussed offering her a lift as good samaritans, but decided against it. They then saw the headlights of a car arrive from the direction of the subway, and stop.

No trace of Ms Spiers has been seen since. Police have been unable to obtain a description of the car or had contact with its driver.

Here is 2 articles about the CCTV footage the police released a few months ago in regard to Jane Rimmer's disappearance. To this day the "mystery man" has not been identified by the police.


Link: http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/20080830/news/001.shtml

Link: http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/20080830/news/001.shtml

Here is 2 articles about the CCTV footage the police released a few months ago in regard to Jane Rimmer's disappearance. To this day the "mystery man" has not been identified by the police.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/08/15/2337123.htm

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/20080830/news/005.shtml.

09-10-2009 honeybee

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

I can't believe they still have not solved these cases!  I guess not many Perth people around as no one else commented.  

It's a worry that there are/were people operating like this here, given it is not such a large place.  Did you see or read about Estelle Blackburn who reckoned her ex boyfriend could have been the man?  I saw a documentary and it was very convincingf though there have been lots of people who have theories I guess.  Not to mention Dr Phibes, strange person there.  :2tongue:

When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees.

10-10-2009 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=honeybee link=topic=20399.msg1408466#msg1408466 date=1255108733]
I can't believe they still have not solved these cases!  I guess not many Perth people around as no one else commented.  

It's a worry that there are/were people operating like this here, given it is not such a large place.  Did you see or read about Estelle Blackburn who reckoned her ex boyfriend could have been the man?  I saw a documentary and it was very convincingf though there have been lots of people who have theories I guess.  Not to mention Dr Phibes, strange person there.  :2tongue:
[/quote]

Sadly, I don't think there are many on mds from these here parts. I did indeed read about Estelle Blackburn's theory and to be honest I still don't really know what to make of it. It was bizarre to say the least.

Over the years there has been many criticisms of how the police handled the Claremont case, but what disturbs me the most is how it just fades into the oblivion. All the investigation did was fuel the theories and conspiracies and it all became quite the circus. The sad thing is that in all the mess, the police didn't even come close to solving these cases. Whoever is responsible for these crimes snatched at least 2 more girls off the street right under their noses! Not to mention all the other missing persons cases here(that don't receive the media attention) and remain unsolved to this day.

Girls were concerned for their safety for a little while there, in the height of all the panic, but the memory has faded and young girls are all staggering out drunk as all hell and wandering off into the darkness by themselves, no worries whatsoever. It scares me that they think it won't happen again because the truth of the matter is that it could, and very easily. The thing that gets me is that just as suddenly as it started, the abductions stopped ... scary to think that person in all possibility may have just changed their M.O or moved on from the area and has picked up again since in some other location. 

I highly doubt they will ever be solved, too much time has passed. It will, however, haunt Perth forever. 

11-10-2009 Solara23

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Veg lives in Perth!  I will PM her a link to this thread and see if she has heard of these cases.

born to be down

 11-10-2009 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=Solara23 link=topic=20399.msg1409699#msg1409699 date=1255248061]
Veg lives in Perth!  I will PM her a link to this thread and see if she has heard of these cases.
[/quote]

Another MDS person from Perth!? hooray  

She would of definately heard of these cases if she is from Perth (unless she has been living under a rock) ... I'm pretty sure the Claremont murders to this date are the longest running and most extensive murder investigation in Australian history ... everybody knows what happened in Claremont.  

 11-10-2009 Olivia

rah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Most people in Australia would have heard of these - Im in Sydney.

 12-10-2009 Vegemite Kid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Yeah know all about these murders, read some book on it too....

Boringgggggggggggggggg.

12-10-2009 honeybee

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

One day I went and looked at everything Dr Phibes had written (that I could find) on different sites and I was just amazed at what he put out about it without saying anything.  But then it seems everyone has a theory I guess.

I lived in Daglish at the time, very close to the action, I remember walking past Lake Monger when they were dredging it trying to find one of the girls but no luck.  I also remember being followed home from work by a dude in a car at the time, it was just a creepy time.  My Mum really freaked out about it.
My theory was that maybe it was someone like an RAC patrol man but then a bright yellow van would have been a tad obvious!  
I do concur that people are more lapse now than they used to be but here's hoping it doesn't start up ever again. 

When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees.

12-10-2009 trepid

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=honeybee link=topic=20399.msg1411478#msg1411478 date=1255411693]
One day I went and looked at everything Dr Phibes had written (that I could find) on different sites and I was just amazed at what he put out about it without saying anything.  But then it seems everyone has a theory I guess.

I lived in Daglish at the time, very close to the action, I remember walking past Lake Monger when they were dredging it trying to find one of the girls but no luck.  I also remember being followed home from work by a dude in a car at the time, it was just a creepy time.  My Mum really freaked out about it.

My theory was that maybe it was someone like an RAC patrol man but then a bright yellow van would have been a tad obvious!  
I do concur that people are more lapse now than they used to be but here's hoping it doesn't start up ever again.
[/quote]
urgh. I heard a rumour that they dredged Lake Monger too :-(
I hope that at the very least, one day this girl's remains will be recovered and returned home to her poor family. At least then they can have some closure and lay her to rest with some dignity. It's not fair that they have to endure every day with the torture of not knowing.
Why does Daglish ring a bell? Isn't that the same suburb that other woman, Susan Christie, went missing from? That case was full of strange characters too ... 

13-10-2009 IcingSugar

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Oh my gosh Trepid, that is absolutely crazy! I am so glad you listened to yourself! Don't beat yourself up by not reporting though.  It's one of those things that you don't think will ever happen to you but by the time you realize you should've done something, it's too late. Long story short, I was almost abducted at a park when I was 5. My mom did not report it (I have no clue why? It was just a different time then?  :? ) The man killed 6 little girls and was not caught until many years later  

These cases are so sad. To see Jane laughing in the picture just moments before she went missing...    I really hope they find Sarah... to give her family some closure. 

Stay safe girls.

13-10-2009 honeybee

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

What amazes me and you could probably start a seperate forum on this is how many people have had experiences with predator behaviour and I don't mean the movie!  And you could break that down into people you know such as ex's who go nuts and lets not go there but then there are those weird random acts from strangers.

I was actually thinking about that time with the guy in the car today, my memory is stuck in my head and very hazy as it was about fourteen years ago now I think.  But I was walking home towards the railway line in Subi near King Edward hospital and this dude drove past me three times really eyeing me off, I noticed him during the second time and he set of that danger altert thing you mentioned Trepid.  The third time he went past I was just crossing the railway line at a pedestrain crossing so I knew he couldn't get to me after that so I was so relieved and in a hurry that I didn't take down details.  It was a sedan, nice car and the guy at the time was late twenties, early thirties and I think had dark curly hair 

Had other things happen to over the years but won't go into them, I just make sure I always have my alert on and it seems to stand me in good stead.  But that one was just creepy, the guy was looking at me so strangely and really I felt hunted and it was right in the middle of that time with the girls going missing.

I find Perth a funny place, so much illegal activity and so much under the radar stuff goes on, and I have thought in the past that there are at least two serial killers operating though thankfully it does seem to have been quiet for a while.   

When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees.

13-10-2009 honeybee

I forgot to say about Susan Christie, that was Jolimont, the next suburb over and happened just after I moved away from Jolimont to Daglish.  So is Dr Phibes connected with that case?! Is he actually a doctor?!  I can't imagine seeing someone like him for the flu!  
But yes, another good old unsolved one - do they actually ever solve murders in Perth?  Just kidding, I know they do and even sometimes get the right person but that wasn't a really good time for police. 

13-10-2009 moya 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=trepid link=topic=20399.msg1409704#msg1409704 date=1255248920]
 another person on here from bumfuckville nowhere (ie. Perth)!? that is amazing  

She would of definately heard of these cases if she is from Perth (unless she has been living under a rock) ... I'm pretty sure the Claremont murders to this date are the longest running and most extensive murder investigation in Australian history.  
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure the majority of Australians know about these cases.

 

13-10-2009 trepid

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=IcingSugar link=topic=20399.msg1411907#msg1411907 date=1255462973]
Oh my gosh Trepid, that is absolutely crazy! I am so glad you listened to yourself! Don't beat yourself up by not reporting though.  It's one of those things that you don't think will ever happen to you but by the time you realize you should've done something, it's too late. Long story short, I was almost abducted at a park when I was 5. My mom did not report it (I have no clue why? It was just a different time then?  :? ) The man killed 6 little girls and was not caught until many years later   [/quote]

 That is terrible, looks like you had a lucky escape too. Like honeybee says, I am amazed about how many people have similiar stories ... imagine how many must go unreported. So much seemingly insignificant information that may potentially hold the key to an unsolved crime or stop one from occuring. I guess its only in hindsight you realise that fact ... to be honest I thought making a report would make me look a little foolish in the eyes of the police because nothing actually happened, albeit it being very suspicious behaviour. I'm sure your mother felt the same. Being in such a situation definately shatters the illusion of safety you come to have though and makes you very wary of your surroundings, that is why I just wish some girls would heed some lessons from the victims of these crimes who weren't so lucky. You can definately minimise your risks of being a target  

[quote author=honeybee link=topic=20399.msg1412710#msg1412710 date=1255500791]

I was actually thinking about that time with the guy in the car today, my memory is stuck in my head and very hazy as it was about fourteen years ago now I think.  But I was walking home towards the railway line in Subi near King Edward hospital and this dude drove past me three times really eyeing me off, I noticed him during the second time and he set of that danger altert thing you mentioned Trepid.  The third time he went past I was just crossing the railway line at a pedestrain crossing so I knew he couldn't get to me after that so I was so relieved and in a hurry that I didn't take down details.  It was a sedan, nice car and the guy at the time was late twenties, early thirties and I think had dark curly hair 

[/quote] 

I was totally thinking about this in my car today too! Giving me goosebumps right now ... it's been spooking me out all over again, especially when you mention the description about the dark curly hair. Was it a dark blue sedan? 

Your right about Perth too ... personally I hate the place. Being the creepy little isolated joint in the middle of fuck-all nowhere that it is. Boring as all hell, but it sure has had its fair share of sinister stories. I've also had other incidents happen over the years, and have heard many other disturbing similiar stories from other girls, I think it's pretty safe to say that the place is brimming with creepers and predators. You could be right about the possibility of more than one serial killer operating here over the years, there sure seems to be a number of missing women/ unsolved murder cases on file.

[quote author=honeybee link=topic=20399.msg1412863#msg1412863 date=1255519716]
I forgot to say about Susan Christie, that was Jolimont, the next suburb over and happened just after I moved away from Jolimont to Daglish.  So is Dr Phibes connected with that case?! Is he actually a doctor?!  I can't imagine seeing someone like him for the flu!  

But yes, another good old unsolved one - do they actually ever solve murders in Perth?  Just kidding, I know they do and even sometimes get the right person but that wasn't a really good time for police. [/quote]

The doctor connected to the Susan Christie case is not Dr Phibes (that is just the alias he uses on the computer). It was another doctor who was implicated, Dr Andew Dunn according to this article - http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/20031018/news/009.shtml. It seems his name also cropped up in a few other missing persons cases in W.A, but who can tell whether that is just the rumour mill at work. The problem is there is just too many weirdos wandering around everywhere who lead bizarre lifestyles that it would be damn near impossible to narrow them all down to potential POIs in each case. Maybe there's something in the water in Perth or maybe it's just a reflection of society on a whole? Either way, I hate the fact that some of these girls are still out there somewhere. I can't even imagine the hell the families endure, the whole 'not knowing' part would drive you to insanity. 

15-10-2009 informer

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

I BELIEVE I KNOW THE IDENTITY OF THE SERIAL KILLER AND THE ILLUSIVE DR PHIBES - HE DID INDEED LIVE IN THE SWAN VALLEY - AM I RIGHT IN THINKING THAT ONE OF THE GIRLS LOST THEIR STILLETTO SHOE? I FOUND IT!!

 

15-10-2009 IcingSugar 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=informer link=topic=20399.msg1415047#msg1415047 date=1255637172]
I BELIEVE I KNOW THE IDENTITY OF THE SERIAL KILLER AND THE ILLUSIVE DR PHIBES - HE DID INDEED LIVE IN THE SWAN VALLEY - AM I RIGHT IN THINKING THAT ONE OF THE GIRLS LOST THEIR STILLETTO SHOE? I FOUND IT!!
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15-10-2009 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

here we go...
you are the elusive dr phibes aren't you?
how do you know that the stilletto shoe you found belongs to one of the victims? How do you even know that they lost a shoe? That information was never released.

15-10-2009 honeybee

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

I can't remember the colour of the car, just too long ago.  

I have to admit I like Perth (hangs head in shame), and partly because of this crazy undertow.  But I agree that the disappearing/murdering part is not a good part, you can't condone that.  

So I see we have picked up some dickmuncher with a shoe fetish.  I concur with your questions to said dickmuncher, though doubt they will bother to reply or if they do actually provide any useful information.  Could make some suggestions on where they could put said shoe...

Anyway a side note on Dr Phibes and the actual doctor, I do think it was interesting that Dr Phibes said lived in hills and other Dr did to and a few other connections like that but you have to presume that all this was checked out, dont' you? 

15-10-2009 moya 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

16-10-2009 metalman 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Dr Phibes is just some low life with nothing better do to then search around forums looking for discussions on the claremont serial killer. His information is easily gathered from reading resource material on the CSK he has no inside knowledge. 

No doubt he will start on this forum too just like he did with the teknoscope forum last year. Everyone has a theory on this topic but when it comes down to it no one knows anything. Minor details have been released and the major details will not be released by the special crime squad because the media would have a field day is common sense.

And you who thinks you know who the identity is of the killer your just a dr phibes wanna be!!!

I grew up following these murders and I believe there is more, but i have no facts, there is a list of missing women 

Kerry Tate, 22 , body burnt on tre stump , December 1979 murdered.

Lisa Mott , 12, last seen in Collie , October 1980 , missing.

Sharon Fulton , East Perth Railway Station , 1986 missing.

Cheryl Renwick , 33 , disappeared from South Perth Unit , 26 May 1986 missing.

Sally Greenham , 20 , August 1987 , Adelaide Terrace Perth , missing.

Julie Cutler , 22 , last seen at Parmelia Hilton Hotel , 20 June 1988 , car found in surf Missing.

Barbara Westorn , found in bushland north-east of Canning Dam , Perth , murdered.

Kelly Turner , 18 , body found near Canning Dam , July 1991 murdered.

Radina Dujkid , 14 , last seen at her North Beach Unit , 16 May 1992 , missing.

Cariad Anderson-Slater , 41 , last seen at dawn exiting a taxi in Perth , 13 July 1992.

Petronella Albert , 21 , Broome area , 17 July 1992 missing.

Hayley Dodd , Badgingarra , 17 July , 1999 missing.

Lisa Govan , 28 , last seen at 7.30am , Kalgoorlie , 8 October 1999 , missing.

Deborah Anderson last seen January 25 January 2000 , car found burning with body in front seat at Middle Swan Shopping Centre , murdered.

Sarah McMahon , 20 , last seen in Claremont , November 8 , 2000 , her car was found unlocked in hospital car park , November 20 , missing.

Lisa Brown , 19 , street prostitute , last seen on a Perth Street at 12.30am , November 10 1998 , missing.

Darylyn Ugle , 25 , street prostitute , body found at Mundaring Weir , April 2003 murdered. 
But only a few of those could be the CSK work, and when i say few i mean 1 or 2. People say they all must be connected but how can this be when todays society is filled with freaks and scary ppl who can kill at the drop of the hat. Julie Cutler and Sarah spiers bodies have never been found. The other two girls were found in light bush land easily accsesable to the public. Looking over previous serial killers world wide its impossiable to make a profile on the killer. One would say the killer wanted the bodies to be found to add closure to what he has done, or others would say its become a game to him which would suggest he has killed before these 4 women. 
What are some peoples theroies on this topic, i would like to hear your guys thoughts on what actually happened.
There would be 4 or 5 cases a day in perth where someone has feeled followed, or had someone approach them with bad intentions or simply just masturbated in front of them. The world is a scary place but we cant think every guy is the CSK.
Thoughts peoples...

17-10-2009 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

I wonder about this poor lady, it is very strange the way she has disappeared WITH her children and I hope it is not another one and that she does turn up. 
There is still no information on the whereabouts of a 22-year-old woman and her three children who have been missing for a week.
Police say Sawai Jityen was last seen walking along William Street in Highgate last Saturday night.
She was pushing her baby daughter in a blue pram. Her two other young daughters were wearing backpacks.
Police say the woman had recently separated from her husband, has not touched her bank accounts and does not speak much English.
Anyone with information is asked to contact police.
That's a really comprehensive list Metalman - some I'd not heard of, doesn't say much for the problem solving skills of the police force.  Perth seems like a Bermuda triangle of missing women.#

When you go in search of honey you must expect to be stung by bees.

03-12-2009 amanda-connolly 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=informer link=topic=20399.msg1415047#msg1415047 date=1255637172]
I BELIEVE I KNOW THE IDENTITY OF THE SERIAL KILLER AND THE ILLUSIVE DR PHIBES - HE DID INDEED LIVE IN THE SWAN VALLEY - AM I RIGHT IN THINKING THAT ONE OF THE GIRLS LOST THEIR STILLETTO SHOE? I FOUND IT!!
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I would love to hear what you have to say
Feel free to join my group and leave your theories Or contact me directly :)

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04-12-2009 iprangedtheute

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Informer what would you know?

19-01-2010 iprangedtheute

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Informer you bucket of pus. Am glad you came here.    

http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?15465-Sarah-Spiers-missing-26-January-1996-from-Claremont-Perth-Western-Australia/page2&s=1ab21aca513495a2130f33bfe3265a5e

29-01-2010 iprangedtheute 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Honey bee what do you really know? C/mon tell us?  Informer fill me in on your investigation; All you seemed to have done is you have told everyone who you are. Cause we know hey. Fancy coming over here From coolbulture (QLD)to solve the CSK killings? The Oracle know all about you & always will. Might be best getting a real job hon? Then we will have a harder task.Think of what could happen if you spilled the beans....Think alot on that 1 hon. We would have to retrain you, snigger,big job. lols. cant be stuffed. See Angelina & Brad split up last week. Things happen, oh well. x

29-01-2010 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=iprangedtheute link=topic=20399.msg1521764#msg1521764 date=1264771003]
Honey bee what do you really know? C/mon tell us?  Informer fill me in on your investigation; All you seemed to have done is you have told everyone who you are. Cause we know hey. Fancy coming over here From coolbulture (QLD)to solve the CSK killings? The Oracle know all about you & always will. Might be best getting a real job hon? Then we will have a harder task.Think of what could happen if you spilled the beans....Think alot on that 1 hon. We would have to retrain you, snigger,big job. lols. cant be stuffed. See Angelina & Brad split up last week. Things happen, oh well. x
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Hey Phibes  :-)
Oracle knows all.

30-01-2010 iprangedtheute 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Phibes knows zip. I don`t know much either. I didn`t write the last post. That case probably never will be solved. Not enough evidence. Most murders are by someone they know or it was an event like an argument  etc. like say the perpetrator  knew the victim. This was random me thinks. Then again didn`t one of the victims babysat for the boss of another of the victims? I did read that ages ago. This is old hat. Time flies.

21-03-2010 iprangedtheute 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

 Informer; Hows it going? Still after me? Hey the ladies at your school drop off say you`re a strange one. You really should leave this state hey. You are in a really warped state of mind going by your blogs. Forwarding my email and or location will result in one thing hey.That being i will not  contact you again.How is the leg tattooed one going.....

21-03-2010 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=iprangedtheute link=topic=20399.msg1569972#msg1569972 date=1269178717]
 Informer; Hows it going? Still after me? Hey the ladies at your school drop off say you`re a strange one. You really should leave this state hey. You are in a really warped state of mind going by your blogs. Forwarding my email and or location will result in one thing hey.That being i will not  contact you again.How is the leg tattooed one going.....
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.. the fuck?

08-05-20 iprangedtheute

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

What I mean by I won`t contact you again is I won`t have to . You will not see it coming. How goes the research re the Pechey Rd carpark?

08-05-2010 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

[quote author=iprangedtheute link=topic=20399.msg1618696#msg1618696 date=1273315435]
What I mean by I won`t contact you again is I won`t have to . You will not see it coming. How goes the research re the Pechey Rd carpark? 
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You are very cryptic. 
What is the significance of the Pechey Road carpark?

08-05-2010 iprangedtheute

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Apparently there was a blood curdling scream there on the night Sarah Spiers disappeared. The area has been searched. It is right next to the John Forrest national park.

15-05-2010 trepid

Really? Is the car park still there as it was in 1996? 

I would not at all be surprised if there was a few of the missing out that way. The question is where? ... John Forrest, Glen Forrest, Paulls Valley, Karragullen, all are very creepy, deep, desolate forest areas. The sad thing is that so many years have passed since alot of these girls vanished, even if one of these places were their final resting place, at this point in time, what is the chances of someone stumbling across any remains.

That being said, I still hope for their families sake that one day this will be the case, so that they can be returned home to them, and they can have some sense of closure. Especially Sarah Spiers's family. 

16-05-2010 iprangedtheute 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Yes a woman was found  burnt on a tree stump in Farrel grove near Mundaring Wier (just past it as you drive from mundaring). I go up to the JFNP quite a bit but for hiking & other similiar reasons.

16-05-2010 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

The sex worker right? There isn't much information about her case ... I have been meaning to go and check the archives for any newspaper articles about her murder. As well as Kerryn Tate. Do you know when she was found, the sex worker? 

As far as I know, there was one suspect in that case, who was allegedly implicated in another incident around the same time period involving the kidnapping/assault of another sex worker, and police were looking at links between the two because of the similiarities in location.

I have been trying to find out more about the missing/unsolved murder cases in W.A. There is not a lot of information relating to many of the disappearances, aside from the Claremont victims. So far, I have counted 28 missing/murdered girls in W.A since 1979.

08-06-2010 iprangedtheute

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

The girls had their throats you know whatsied...  The csk is deceased but not the 2nd person involved. Several  bodies found & not found can be attributed to them. Not all were definately done as a team me says.

13-06-2010 jomack

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

I have returned to Perth after working in the Eastern States for many years. I didn't fully understand what was going on from the scant news I heard in the East. I heard enough about the Claremont killings to report a person I used to know to Crime-stoppers. A bloke who used to be very angry with 'Claremont' girls. This bloke was angry, violent and scary. Stalked me out of the State - I went into hiding for 23 years. He used to give me second-hand jewellery which was too expensive and ostenatious for me to ever use. I am concerned that the murders are unresolved and that there are no obvious leads. I spend a lot of time in Claremont and after reading posts from this forum will be circumspect about going into the Claremont Village in future.

 13-09-2010 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing January 26, 1996 from Perth, Western Australia

Just saw a re-run of the Crime Investigation Australia episode about the Claremont Murders. It's a very informative and well researched episode, with re-enactments of each girl's movements, covering each case from the disappearance of Sarah Spiers, to the abductions and murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon. Well worth a watch and probably worth putting in this thread.

The CI episode is below in [s]4 parts[/s] 5 parts. The fourth video shows the whole CCTV footage released in 2008 of Jane Rimmer interacting with a "mystery man" outside the Continental Hotel, shortly before she disappeared on 9 June 1996.  

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16-09-2010 iprangedtheute 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing 26 January 1996 from Claremont, Perth, Western Australia

:oops:

my bad. cheers mate

 

19-09-2010 iprangedtheute 

My Bad?  :2huh:

25-09-2010 Hayalet 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing 26 January 1996 from Claremont, Perth, Western Australia

Thanks for posting that trepid! I am up to part 4 but while loading part 5 i spotted Mark Dixie's name in there, his dna was sent but i can't find if it was his or not, i know australian police keep most info very private, and guessing it was no match or that would of been reported, right? Thought it was interesting none the less because even if he isn't related to this case, i wonder if he is too any other unsolved crimes against women in the area. Seems he had a record in UK, Spain, Holland and Australia. He's a total scumbag.

From 2006-

http://blogs.news.com.au/news/crime/index.php/news/comments/uk_link_in_wa_serial_murders/

One of Australia’s longest-running serial murder investigations, the Claremont killings in Perth, has taken a new twist with the emergence of a suspect in Britain. The 35-year-old British man, who has been charged with the brutal murder of an 18-year-old girl, lived in WA at the time of the three unsolved Claremont murders. And there are intriguing similarities between the Perth murders and the killing in Britain. Perth police have asked for DNA records of the British suspect and are reportedly preparing to fly to London to question him. But if he does turn out to be the elusive Claremont serial killer, it will raise serious questions about how he was able to slip through the net, given he had been arrested for a sex offence in Perth about six years ago and deported. 

Mark Dixie, a pub chef, was arrested in June and charged with the murder of 18-year-old model Sally Anne Bowman in the south London suburb of Croydon in 2005. He had been caught after providing a DNA sample to police following a pub punch-up earlier this year. The DNA sample tied him to the Bowman murder and an incident in south London in 2001, when he allegedly masturbated in front of a woman making a call from a public phone box. 

The possible link between Dixie and the Claremont murders was revealed by a south London newspaper last week. 

Sally Anne Bowman fits the profile of the three young women killed in Perth. All were attractive young blondes. And all were killed on their way home after being out at nightspots with friends. 

Sally Anne was knifed to death, then sexually assaulted not far from her home. Bite marks were found on her body. Only two of the bodies of the Claremont murderer have been found. Police have always refused to reveal details of the cause of death or the injuries they suffered. Sarah Spiers, 18, disappeared in January 1996 and her body has never been found. Jane Rimmer, 23, was murdered in August 1996 and Ciara Glennon, 27, was killed in March 1997. Perth police have also always refused to say whether DNA of their killer was recovered from the bodies, although this seems likely because DNA testing has since been used to eliminate a number of suspects. It would also explain why Dixie’s DNA samples are being sent to Perth for testing. 

According to the Perth Sunday Times, Dixie used the alias Shane Turner while working as a chef in Perth and other areas of WA in the 1990s. He became an illegal immigrant when he overstayed his visa and was eventually caught when he exposed himself to a woman in a telephone box about six years ago — the same type of crime he allegedly committed in London in 2001. He was deported back to the UK about six years ago. 

WA police will only say that their contact with London police over Dixie was “standard practice of looking at perpetrators of major crimes and their possible links to offences that occurred in WA during their time here”. London police are believed to have already interviewed former friends of Dixie’s in WA. 

If Dixie proves to be the Claremont serial killer, it will solve one of the intriguing aspects of the case Ã¢â‚¬â€ why the string of abductions and murders suddenly stopped. Most serial killers keep offending until they are caught. 

Perth police had all but given up on ever catching the Claremont killer. In November 2004 a special panel comprising two Australian, two British and one US criminal experts was assembled to review all the evidence gathered to date in the investigation.  In September last year the Macro taskforce which had been working on the killings was scaled back and the investigation handed to a new cold case unit. 

Dixie and Sally Anne

When he was convicted, mention of him in Australia http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7254628.stm

And of other links abroad-http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article837417.ece

26-09-2010 trepid 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing 26 January 1996 from Claremont, Perth, Western Australia

There is some interesting comments on that blog Hayalet (granted they were posted in 2006) ... particularly this one:

Linda Bowman
Fri 10 Nov 06 (11:17am) 

i am the mother of SALLY ANNE BOWMAN, my 18year old daughter was murdered on 25th september 2005. she was brutally stabbed to death and sexually assaulted. i keep reading about the clairmont murders in perth western australia, but to my knowledge no! D.N.A. has been requested from london on mark dixie, alias shane turner from the australian police, i wish it had so the families in australia of these younge girls who have been murdered there can maybe have some closure if the D.N.A. is a match. The parents in australia need to push this matter with the Australian police A.S.A.P.

I'll have to do some digging, I can't recall whether Mark Dixie was ever officially ruled out by the W.A Police as a suspect with DNA evidence. You would certainly hope that the DNA was in fact requested and tested. I do, however, recall investigators in the U.K stating that if Dixie was responsible for any other heinous crimes, it would almost certainly have been in Australia.

You know, Mark Dixie certainly has a striking resemblance to the unidentified man seen interacting with Jane Rimmer on the CCTV footage.

For what it is worth, he also resembles somewhat the identikit released by a group of psychics at a show held in Perth at the end of September 2009, called the "Psychic Taskforce", where they discussed aspect of the Claremont cases and offered "psychic insights" into the crimes. 

That show was controversial and slammed by both the public and police alike, as self-proclaimed psychics inserting themselves into the investigation have reportedly been disseminating misleading information and causing a great deal of distress to Sarah Spier's family since Sarah disappeared. 
See news article here: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=103303

Still, it is interesting to note the similarities in their identikit to Dixie.

This is the identikit: 

  

This is the e-mail that was circulated around regarding the Psychic Taskforce show that was posted on some other public forum. I hesitate in posting it here because the details contained in it are essentially purely speculation and could well be completely misleading, but it makes for interesting reading nonetheless. Please take it with a grain of salt.

This is from the Pyschic Taskforce show in Perth at end of September with Scott Russell Hill, Deb Malone & Anthony Grzelka – makes interesting reading 

I have just seen the most amazing show.... and have just seen the face of the Claremont serial killer – if he crosses my path I will know him in a heartbeat!! 

The show was by 3 psychics who have done an AMAZING investigation into the Claremont killings. And the information was too incredible not to pass on ..... oh and by the way – he is planning on striking again very soon so make sure you let as many females know this info as soon as you can. 

So.... the killer is about 35 years old now, possibly as old as 40. He has been killing for quite some time – the Claremont girls were not his only victims. In fact if you remember Julie Cutler and Hayley Dodd then you will already know he was operating well before Claremont. The psychics know where Sarah is located but it is going to be difficult to get her remains as they are underneath limestone in Henderson. This area was redeveloped very soon after he hid her body there – in fact he knew this would happen as he works in the area. As for his work he is involved with Trucks, mechanics and guess what... there is a serious RAC link to this man. In fact the psychics know who he is – they know his full name, they know his work history and they know the colour and make of car he used when he took Sarah. And they can link all of these things to the person they have identified. The information is now sitting in the hands of the Police... it will be interesting to see what happens. 

So things of interest – this man is not a taxi driver, he actually drove a blue Ford Falcon (can’t remember the exact model as I am hopeless with car sh*t!!) and he definitely knew Sarah – that is why she got into his car. He was a casual friend of one of Sarahs’ friends – that is why she trusted him despite not knowing him really well. The psychics also have the name of this friend and they can use this to verify the information to the Police. He is very clever, cold and calculating – everything was well planned and he went out knowing exactly what he was going to do and how he would make it happen. He had a plan. 

The really important thing that has been uncovered is that Sarah was not the girl sighted at the phone box on Stirling highway – this is really crucial as the Police have been looking in totally the wrong direction. Basically there are witnesses out there who saw some really significant stuff that night but discounted what they saw because it didn’t fit with Sarah being at that phone box at that time. So rather than report what they saw to the police – they believed their info was not relevant because the Police had Sarah pinned to a position where she never went. She was actually taken from a car park behind Club Bayview – as was the case with Jane and Ciara. This guy picked these girls because of their hair – and he has kept their hair as trophies. He interacted with these girls before taking them AND YES he is the man on the CCTV vision that has just recently been released – and yes he was talking to Jane on that footage. 

I had a really good look at an identikit picture of this man. He is of Mediterranean or Italian background. He has dark hair and dark eyes. I felt absolutely sick when I looked at him and as I stared at his picture I could feel the rage and anger and hate – to the point where I saw his face change to what it would have looked like when he committed these crimes. It was really scary. He is driven by compulsion and he will not stop. So you may ask why has he gone so quiet? Well he has other victims buried very close to Sarah. They were taken before Sarah. But he has in the meantime gotten married and had children. The psychics believe as a result he switched his victims to prostitutes who could disappear without any fanfare. They all agree that his man wants to be famous, he wants his work to be known. He hid Sarah very carefully but was disappointed she was not quickly discovered – hence he made no effort to hide Jane and Ciara – it was important to him that they would be found. He is a south of the river person with links to Freo, Kwinana and Henderson and he has a brother, sister and also 2 children of his own. They also believe his compulsion is going to cause him to strike again – and it won’t be the prostitutes he will be going after. They are hoping if enough people start talking about all this info and if they can get his picture spread around enough it might make him think twice about doing this again. More than anything they are just hoping the Police will act on their information. 

Whilst they were careful not to describe anything too graphic to us about what he did to the girls – he did some pretty bad sh*t to them – and it involved a ritual that had “surgical aspects” this was important to him, he did it to all the bodies. And the violence escalated with each girl. Sarah was still alive when he took her to Henderson – she actually tried to make a run for it when they got there – but to no avail. He is driven by issues with his mother – whilst she did not physically harm him, she put him down a lot and he suffered mentally at her hands. She did this because of issues with his father. He has an inferiority complex and this is why he goes after the high class girls – when they reject his offers they are signing their own death certificates. 

Personally – I have no doubt that Sarah is talking from beyond the grave and she has tried to make her efforts known by linking in to high profile media personalities like Scott Russell Hill. She has timed it to coincide with all the latest hype about Claremont – particularly with the release of that footage not so long ago. I am sure she is telling us there is going to be a lot more bad stuff going down unless they solve this mystery and get this guy locked away. Even if you have no belief in psychics and what they can do – at least tell your daughters to be on their guard and give them as much info as you can – it won’t hurt to have this knowledge. I think these psychics have absolutely nailed this case â€“ they have really detailed information and it will be easy for the Police to validate if it is real or not. Lets hope with a new approach and a bit of help from the other side that this case can be shut – for once and for all. 


Not wanting to change this email, I have made some notes of discrepancies & inclusions. It was a full on day with a lot of information to intake. 

1- Sarah was not taken from behind club bayview. This is where he was parked and saw Sarah initially (also his 'stalking ground'). He offered her a lift there and she said she was ok.. She then walked off down Bay View Terrace and fumbled through her bag for keys - think about when you do it- she got a bit frustrated and made a slight scene that someone would have seen. This was in front of a Cafe (now offices). Someone would have seen but not said anything because at the time the police said she was somewhere else! He pulled up to her here and she got in there!! She's told Scott Russell Hill 'I wasn't supposed to get in the car' but she did, but it wasn't an obvious struggle, cos she knew him.. He then drove her to down towards Peppermint Grove, where she was going to stay with friends, but then he struck.

2- The psychics, although drawn to the site at Henderson do not necessarily believe she is there but one of the bodies of his other victims are. He did take her there though! They were also drawn to the area as they believe his has strong connections to the place- he either by work or his home. He also has connection to Limestone - crushed Limestone! His route to this destination was straight down Cockburn Road (you could travel from Freo straight to Kwinana at this time).

3- A group of guys, likely from the South Freo Football club where out that night, drunk & mucking around, and one of these boys did an army roll over a car - This was his car! 

4- He likes to drive long distances (the Hayley Dodd connection)

5- The car was done up, lowered body kit etc. So he's into his cars. He is also into racing/speedway (hence the Kwinana/Henderson connections as well)..

6- He is good looking, but extremely violent. He would be violent to his wife & kids - hence the family break-up which is about to happen, this divorce/seperation will give him the freedom to re-commence his killings!! 

7- We were not told about the RAC connection at our show.

http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t604881.html

04-10-2010 Hayalet 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing 26 January 1996 from Claremont, Perth, Western Australia

I can't believe i missed Linda Bowman's comment. Great spot! When the cctv was shown i wondered if it was Dixie. Most went to same hotel/nightspot and he is/was a chef.

I can't find anything about the DNA, if he wasn't involved in this i'll be surprised if his dna didn't link him to other cold cases.

04-10-2010 Hayalet 

Re: Sarah Spiers missing 26 January 1996 from Claremont, Perth, Western Australia

Never mind, found it-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1579461/Mark-Dixie-20-years-of-sexual-violence.html

At the age of 16, he was charged with indecent assault after allegedly putting a knife to a woman’s throat and fondling her breasts. Although the case was withdrawn in court, it was the first of many brushes with the law.
Just a year later, he attacked a Jehovah’s witness, threatening the married mother-of-three with her life and ending up in jail for six months. 
The trained chef, now 37, committed three other sexual offences in the UK, assaulted a police officer and was charged with theft on eight different occasions.
His criminal past was also international with DNA links to the “savage and sexual” attack of a Thai student in Western Australia and he was investigated in connection with the most notorious unsolved murders in Perth - the Claremont killings.
Police sources are sure he struck several times in Australia, as he travelled the length of the country in the 1990s. They are convinced Miss Bowman is not the first person he killed and believe if there is another victim, it would have been in Australia.

Miss Bowman’s killer lived through aliases, changing his name on at least four occasions to Mark McDonald, Steve McDonald, Mark Down or Shane Turner.
Born in Streatham on September 24, 1970, Dixie lived with his mother and step-father in south east London and started smoking cannabis at 14.
After two convictions for robbery in 1987, he was found guilty of indecent exposure and indecent assault in 1988 when he exposed himself to a woman and forced her to the ground.
Just a few months later, he attacked a woman who had struck up a relationship with his then girlfriend. Trapping the woman in the lift in his tower block in Plumpstead, south east London, he punched her in the face before rubbing his leg against hers.
“I definitely thought he was going to rape me,” she said. He was holding my arms, I fought a lot and it was then that he hit me, it was my eye mostly and my upper jaw.
After I struggled to my feet, he got hold of me by the throat with both of his hands. When we got outside, he told me not scream or else he would kill me.”
The woman - now in her 60s - escaped and Dixie was sentenced to six months in prison for indecent assault. In 1993, he moved to Australia with the girlfriend and their two sons, and they moved from Sydney to Queensland, Melbourne to Perth.
Arrested in 1999 for exposing himself, he was deported back to the UK and returned to Croydon. A year before he came home, a Thai student was set upon by a man with a knife who forced her to strip and nearly killed her. No one was ever caught.
But in 2006, a scientific breakthrough identified the DNA found in her underwear as belonging to Dixie. That same year, Dixie was named as suspect in the Claremont killings, where two women died and a third went missing in 1996 and 1997 in Perth. Again, no one has been convicted, but Dixie was cleared of any connection.
On his return to the UK, Dixie moved from working in one pub to another in south east London and Islington, never settling.
In 2003, he went to Spain to work in a restaurant with his new girlfriend Stacey Nivet, then only 19, who discovered she was pregnant. They came back in October 2003 just before she gave birth to their son and lived in Blenheim Crescent where Miss Bowman was murdered two years later.
Dixie and Miss Nivet separated in 2005 - just three weeks before the murder - although they continued to see each other and had a sexual relationship until April 2006.
He kept his violent past from the many women he met over the years, most of whom recalled a man who regularly smoked cannabis, took cocaine and ecstasy. They also described him as moody and unpredictable.
Another ex-girlfriend remembered him regularly drinking 10 pints at a time.
Miss Nivet, now 24, said they would “get a bit rough” when having sex after taking drugs, with him biting her on the neck and sides. Miss Bowman was found with four bite marks on her body.
Miss Nivet said he would “get angry at the slightest thing” but speaking to him only hours after he killed Miss Bowman he appeared his normal self.
He claimed to be “repulsed” by the murder, but refused to offer his DNA when local men were asked to do so to eliminate themselves from the inquiry.
A total of 1,170 men came forward. A few weeks after the killing, he went to Amsterdam but returned in January 2006. Six months after Miss Bowman’s death, he filmed himself committing a sex act in front of a newspaper bearing her image.
Nine months passed as police trawled through thousands of suspects, but it was only when Dixie was arrested in a drunken brawl in Crawley during the 2006 World Cup that his DNA was matched with evidence found at the scene.

Just five hours after his name came up on the DNA database on June 27, he was arrested in his chef whites at the Ye Old Six Bells in Horley, Surrey.
Officers asked if was mentally fit to be arrested and chillingly, he replied: “I must be mad to something like that, eh?”

26-05-2015 Olivia 

THEY were three young women who all had enjoyed a night out in one of WA?s most affluent suburbs.

And within the space of just over year, all three had disappeared.

For almost two decades, Perth has been haunted by the Claremont serial killings ? the name given to describe the murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon, and the disappearance of Sarah Spiers.

While WA Police this week had a major breakthrough in a baffling missing person?s case ? the disappearance of Hayley Marie Dodd ? they have yet to solve arguably WA?s biggest murder mystery.

Just who was responsible for taking the trio has stumped authorities for nearly 20 years.

Despite multiple reviews, help from an FBI profiler, forensic examinations in the UK and several possible suspects, police have yet to crack the case.

What is known is that all three women were last seen in the Claremont area, the wealthy western suburb of Perth.

Ms Spiers, a fresh-faced secretary, vanished after a night out with friends at Club Bayview on Australia Day, 1996. The 18-year-old had left the venue in search of a taxi. She has not been seen since.

Five months later, 23-year-old child care worker Jane Rimmer disappeared from the same spot. She too had been out with friends. A little over a month after she disappeared, her body was found in bushland in Perth?s south.

Then in March 1997, 27-year-old lawyer Ciara Glennon failed to return from a night out in the Claremont area. Her body was found a few weeks later in bushland north of Perth.

Following the discovery of Ms Glennon, police declared they were searching for a serial killer.

Initially, the Macro taskforce, the unit set up to catch the killer, believed all three women may have been taken by a taxi driver because all three had left friends in search of a cab.

This lead sparked a massive overhaul of the WA taxi industry ? and triggered fear among the taxi-using public.

Women no longer felt safe to travel in cabs alone.

DNA testing was carried out on all licensed taxi drivers in WA, as well as review into their personal backgrounds. Those with a criminal history were immediately de-licensed and standards for the industry were raised.

A report to the WA Parliament revealed the fear generated by the killings led to a 25 to 30 per cent drop in taxi usage in the city, prompting the taxi industry to volunteer for the mass swabs.

Eventually all the taxi drivers who had taken part were excluded from inquiries.

Following that detectives in charge of the case became focused on other leads.

Very early on they suspected a junior police officer who surfaced during a decoy operation. He later went to the media purporting his innocence.

The macro taskforce also honed in on a 42-year-old public servant who lived in the nearby suburb of Cottesloe. He was subject to round the clock surveillance but he was never charged.

Police also targeted a former mayor of Claremont and civil libertarian, who has refuted any involvement in the unsolved crimes, and a taxi driver who reportedly gave Ms Spiers, as well as two others, a lift to a hotel the night before she disappeared.

There had also been reports police had investigated the possibility Bradley Murdoch, who was convicted of killing British tourist Peter Falconio, might have been involved as well as Mark Dixie, the man jailed for killing UK model Sally Anne Bowman. Both suspects have since been ruled out.

In recent years WA police have gone back over the file trying to discover if that crucial piece of evidence has been missed.

In December they began ?reaching? out to anyone who had ever been interviewed or appeared on police files in connection with the cold case.

They asked people to fill out questionnaires and provide DNA samples in a bid to rule them out.

And just a few months ago, it was reported that police had moved away from the taxi theory and now believe the three women may have been the victims of a blitz attack and were forced into a car.

It was also reported that WA Police still believe they can catch whoever is responsible.

Lets hope for the Ciara, Sarah and Jane?s families that they can.

In a statement,WA Police told news.com.au: ?Claremont (Macro) is an on-going investigation, hence inquiries will continue to be made. Police are in regular contact with family members.

WA Police remain committed to resolving these and other significant offences.

?The Macro inquiry has been extensively reviewed, both internally and externally. Since 1996 there have been 11 independent reviews, six of which did not involve members of the WA Police. The high-profile Schramm Review in 2004 was undertaken by highly-experienced and qualified homicide detectives, forensic and other experts from SA, NSW, the UK and USA.

?Any person with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.?


http://www.news.com.au/national/crim...-1227370836343

29-05-2015 trepid 

They moved away from the taxi theory?

Interesting. 

I remember reading just a few months ago that a man had supposedly come forward with information that puts a taxi at the scene where Ciara Glennon's body was found. 

Never heard anything more about it 

Here --> http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1227173673919

29-05-2015 Olivia

I think there's a story On this case on channel 7 this week on their Sunday Night show.

16-10-2015 blighted star 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-1...gation/6859620


Claremont serial killer investigation : Ciara Glennon's murderer linked to unsolved rape
By Graeme Powell
Updated about 2 hours ago


 
PHOTO: Police have reportedly linked the murder of Ciara Glennon to an unsolved rape two years earlier. (ABC News)

RELATED STORY: Timeline of key events: Claremont serial killingsRELATED STORY: Police release footage of Claremont murder victimRELATED STORY: Police defend Claremont serial killer investigationRELATED STORY: Murder victim's father welcomes investigation review
MAP: Claremont 6010
Police in Perth have reportedly made a breakthrough in the Claremont serial killings, one of the nation's longest running investigations.

The Post newspaper has reported that police believe the person responsible for killing three women last seen in Claremont in the 1990s also raped a teenage girl in the year before the first murder.

The newspaper said police had established a forensic link showing that whoever killed Ciara Glennon in January 1997 also abducted the 17-year-old from a Claremont street in February 1995 before sexually assaulting her in Karrakatta Cemetery.

The teenager survived.

Almost one year after the sexual assault, in January 1996, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers was abducted after leaving Club Bayview in Claremont.

For operational reasons the Macro Taskforce has not commented on similar media reports about possible links to other crimes.
WA Police spokesman
Ms Spiers told her friends she was tired and was going to get a taxi home, and has never been seen since.

Five months later, Jane Rimmer, 23, vanished after drinking at the Continental Hotel in Claremont.

Ms Rimmer's body was found in August 1996 in bush at Wellard, south of Perth.

Ms Glennon, 27, was the killer's third victim.

She disappeared from the Claremont area in March 1997, having also visited the Continental Hotel.

Her body was found in April of that year in bush at Eglington, north of Perth.

Police decline to comment on 'breakthrough'

Approached by the ABC, police released a statement saying they would not respond to the reported DNA breakthrough.

"For operational reasons the Macro Taskforce has not commented on similar media reports about possible links to other crimes," a police spokesman said.


PHOTO: Sarah Spiers was said to be the first victim of the Claremont serial killer. (ABC)
"Maintaining the operational integrity of this investigation is paramount if we are to bring the offender, or offenders, to justice, therefore operational outcomes must be prioritised over media and public interest.

"Media reports on an active investigation can seriously jeopardise the investigation and negatively impact future prosecutions."

Acting Assistant Commissioner Pryce Scanlan later read the prepared statement to reporters and media cameras, but would not answer questions about the case.

Premier Colin Barnett said he hoped it was the breakthrough police and the victims' families had been waiting for.

"The police have persisted in this, I don't know any more details, but I hope this does lead to further lines of investigation, because this has been a long time, 20 years now since those young girls disappeared," he said.

Post editor Bret Christian said the link would not come as a surprise.

"When the Claremont series began, we went to an ex-FBI profiler in the United States and put the four crimes to him," he told Fairfax Radio.

"And he said, 'I would be looking thoroughly at that first sexual assault. I think that's your bloke.'

"I published this and we got criticised roundly for it and publicly for publishing this opinion, which turned out to be right."

Mr Christian said as far as he knew, police had not identified the man responsible for the 1995 rape, but had re-interviewed thousands of people since originally making the link a number of years ago.

"What's really chilling is that when they [the police] began a cold-case review of the serial killings in 2004 ... they announced they would be examining the disappearance of 16 women," he said.

"So who knows how active and for how long this guy has been before this."

Investigation spans two decades

The Claremont serial killings paralysed Perth and sparked one of the biggest murder investigations in Australia's history.



PHOTO: Jane Rimmer's body was the first to be found, in bush in Perth's southern suburbs. (ABC)
The Macro task force was established by police early on in an attempt to solve the mystery.

Senior officers leading the task force publicly focussed their attention on a handful of suspects, including a middle-aged public servant who lived with his parents in Cottesloe.

There have been more than 10 independent reviews of the Claremont investigation by expert crime fighters from the eastern states and around the world.

In 2008, police released previously unseen video footage of a man seen with Ms Rimmer just minutes before she disappeared.

The CCTV vision showed Ms Rimmer standing outside the Continental Hotel when a man approached her and engaged in a brief discussion.

Police said the man was the only one in the footage they had not been able to identify, but described him as a person of interest, not a suspect.

Senior officers also said in 2008 that up to 3,000 people had been investigated as part of the Macro probe.


Claremont serial killer investigation : Ciara Glennon's murderer linked to unsolved rape
By Graeme Powell
Updated about 2 hours ago

 
PHOTO: Police have reportedly linked the murder of Ciara Glennon to an unsolved rape two years earlier. (ABC News)

RELATED STORY: Timeline of key events: Claremont serial killingsRELATED STORY: Police release footage of Claremont murder victimRELATED STORY: Police defend Claremont serial killer investigationRELATED STORY: Murder victim's father welcomes investigation review
MAP: Claremont 6010
Police in Perth have reportedly made a breakthrough in the Claremont serial killings, one of the nation's longest running investigations.

The Post newspaper has reported that police believe the person responsible for killing three women last seen in Claremont in the 1990s also raped a teenage girl in the year before the first murder.

The newspaper said police had established a forensic link showing that whoever killed Ciara Glennon in January 1997 also abducted the 17-year-old from a Claremont street in February 1995 before sexually assaulting her in Karrakatta Cemetery.

The teenager survived.

Almost one year after the sexual assault, in January 1996, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers was abducted after leaving Club Bayview in Claremont.

For operational reasons the Macro Taskforce has not commented on similar media reports about possible links to other crimes.
WA Police spokesman
Ms Spiers told her friends she was tired and was going to get a taxi home, and has never been seen since.

Five months later, Jane Rimmer, 23, vanished after drinking at the Continental Hotel in Claremont.

Ms Rimmer's body was found in August 1996 in bush at Wellard, south of Perth.

Ms Glennon, 27, was the killer's third victim.

She disappeared from the Claremont area in March 1997, having also visited the Continental Hotel.

Her body was found in April of that year in bush at Eglington, north of Perth.

Police decline to comment on 'breakthrough'

Approached by the ABC, police released a statement saying they would not respond to the reported DNA breakthrough.

"For operational reasons the Macro Taskforce has not commented on similar media reports about possible links to other crimes," a police spokesman said.


PHOTO: Sarah Spiers was said to be the first victim of the Claremont serial killer. (ABC)
"Maintaining the operational integrity of this investigation is paramount if we are to bring the offender, or offenders, to justice, therefore operational outcomes must be prioritised over media and public interest.

"Media reports on an active investigation can seriously jeopardise the investigation and negatively impact future prosecutions."

Acting Assistant Commissioner Pryce Scanlan later read the prepared statement to reporters and media cameras, but would not answer questions about the case.

Premier Colin Barnett said he hoped it was the breakthrough police and the victims' families had been waiting for.

"The police have persisted in this, I don't know any more details, but I hope this does lead to further lines of investigation, because this has been a long time, 20 years now since those young girls disappeared," he said.

Post editor Bret Christian said the link would not come as a surprise.

"When the Claremont series began, we went to an ex-FBI profiler in the United States and put the four crimes to him," he told Fairfax Radio.

"And he said, 'I would be looking thoroughly at that first sexual assault. I think that's your bloke.'

"I published this and we got criticised roundly for it and publicly for publishing this opinion, which turned out to be right."

Mr Christian said as far as he knew, police had not identified the man responsible for the 1995 rape, but had re-interviewed thousands of people since originally making the link a number of years ago.

"What's really chilling is that when they [the police] began a cold-case review of the serial killings in 2004 ... they announced they would be examining the disappearance of 16 women," he said.

"So who knows how active and for how long this guy has been before this."

Investigation spans two decades

The Claremont serial killings paralysed Perth and sparked one of the biggest murder investigations in Australia's history.



PHOTO: Jane Rimmer's body was the first to be found, in bush in Perth's southern suburbs. (ABC)
The Macro task force was established by police early on in an attempt to solve the mystery.

Senior officers leading the task force publicly focussed their attention on a handful of suspects, including a middle-aged public servant who lived with his parents in Cottesloe.

There have been more than 10 independent reviews of the Claremont investigation by expert crime fighters from the eastern states and around the world.

In 2008, police released previously unseen video footage of a man seen with Ms Rimmer just minutes before she disappeared.

The CCTV vision showed Ms Rimmer standing outside the Continental Hotel when a man approached her and engaged in a brief discussion.

Police said the man was the only one in the footage they had not been able to identify, but described him as a person of interest, not a suspect.

Senior officers also said in 2008 that up to 3,000 people had been investigated as part of the Macro probe.

http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?15465-Sarah-Spiers-missing-26-January-1996-from-Claremont-Perth-Western-Australia/page3

22-12-2016 Olivia

Wow update http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-1...arrest/8143174

22-12-2016  CanaryDiam

Wow! I'm so curious about the daughter... was he out snuffing these girls while his little princess was at home playing with her dollies? Or did he off a bunch of girls then have his own and suddenly decide to quit killing to raise her? I can't wait to hear more about this, hope more updates come soon.

22-12-2016 Olivia 

Originally Posted by CanaryDiam 

Wow! I'm so curious about the daughter... was he out snuffing these girls while his little princess was at home playing with her dollies? Or did he off a bunch of girls then have his own and suddenly decide to quit killing to raise her? I can't wait to hear more about this, hope more updates come soon.

I was talking to a friend about this - imagine if he kept Sarah alive and this is her daughter.



           Into thin air_ The disappearance of Iveta Mitchell
                                     by  
Anne-Louise Brown MAY 3, 2012

                                              Iveta Mitchell

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/into-thin-air-the-disappearance-of-iveta-mitchell-20120502-1xy4u.html

Two long, sad years have passed since Sinki Nikolic last heard the infectious laugh of her best friend, Iveta Mitchell.

Today marks the second anniversary of the day Mrs Mitchell, a loving mother-of-three, vanished into thin air. It's a day her friends have been dreading.

Facebook images of Iveta Mitchell

Mrs Mitchell, a 37-year-old Parmelia mum, disappeared in the early hours of May 3, 2010, after an argument with her husband, Chad Mitchell, at their Meares Avenue home.

They had fought over money he'd spent, funds meant to go towards paying off their mortgage that Mr Mitchell had used to buy drugs. According to Mr Mitchell, his wife went for a cigarette at nearby Barney Park and never came back.

This year, like the one past, Ms Nikolic and a group of Mrs Mitchell's closest friends will spend the evening at Barney Park remembering their friend.

She does not hold out hope Mrs Mitchell is alive, nor does she believe Mr Mitchell will attend the memorial, but Ms Nikolic has vowed to keep her friend’s memory burning until she knows exactly what happened that May night.

 

"To be honest, it doesn't feel like any questions have been answered. I haven't heard anything about the investigation in ages.

 In your head there are just more and more questions that keep popping up," Ms Nikolic said.

"There's no trace whatsoever of what happened to Iveta – it’s mind boggling. It’s like she just vanished into thin air.

"To be honest, it doesn't feel like any questions have been answered. I haven't heard anything about the investigation in ages. In your head there are just more and more questions that keep popping up," Ms Nikolic said.

"There's no trace whatsoever of what happened to Iveta – it’s mind boggling. It’s like she just vanished into thin air

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Police in forensic search of Iveta Mitchell's house

Mitchell family move out, police move in

Aja Styles

 

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/mitchell-family-move-out-police-move-in-20100908-1513f.html

The family of missing mother Iveta Mitchell have moved out of their Parmelia home while police conduct forensic tests of the property.

Police were today using the chemical luminol, which can pick up traces of blood and other bodily fluids even after they have been cleaned.
It is the second search related to Mrs Mitchell's disappearance in recent weeks.

Chad Mitchell and his sons Peter (left) and Kyle (right) and daughter Alana. Photo: Aja Styles

Police and SES volunteers swooped on a kilometre stretch of Kwinana Beach bushland on August 23 in a response to an anonymous tip-off to Crime Stoppers, to no avail.

Searches of the same bushland and quarry, where Mrs Mitchell's husband Chad used to work, soon after her disappearance on May 3 also failed to turn up any trace of her.

Mrs Mitchell went missing after arguing with her husband over finances. The only indication she may be alive were an engagement and wedding ring reportedly turning up on the doorstep of her home several weeks after her disappearance.

Police have focused heavily on Mr Mitchell in their investigations, raiding the family home in July and charging him with an unrelated offence of receiving stolen property.

However they have yet to say whether they are treating the disappearance as a homicide investigation.

Cousin Kristy Marsh has taken husband Chad Mitchell, his and Iveta's son Kyle and Chad's brother Troy into her home, while Iveta's other children Peter Read and Alana Kilsby have gone to live with their grandmother.

Iveta Mitchell's house under forensic examination

"There's plenty of family and friends willing to help (Chad and the family)," Ms Marsh said.

"They're all doing well. Police didn't want them getting sick with all the chemicals they're using. They were told they won't be able to return for the next few days."

Police began forensic tests at the Meares Avenue house yesterday and are expected to be there until the weekend.

 

New twist to Iveta Mitchell disappearance

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/new-twist-to-iveta-mitchell-disappearance-20100823-13ere.html

The hunt for missing Parmelia mother Iveta Mitchell has taken a new twist, with police this morning conducting a search in Kwinana Beach for new clues into her disappearance.

This morning, police began searching bushland opposite Wells Park in Kwinana Beach in Perth's south after Crime Stoppers received a phone call on Thursday with new information.

Detective Senior Sergeant Steve Foley said police were searching a parcel of bush, about one square kilometre, was being searched by police and SES volunteers. He said it would probably take a day to cover the area.

Police spokeswoman Ros Weatherall said police were searching the bushland and car park near the beach for "anything of interest"

Raid on Iveta Mitchell's home

Aja Styles

 

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/raid-on-iveta-mitchells-home-20100618-ymzn.html

Chad Mitchell has been charged with receiving stolen goods after his home was raided.

Mr Mitchell was taken into custody on Friday night despite denials from his step-son Peter that reports of his arrest were false.


Iveta Mitchell’s husband Chad, sons Peter (left) and Kyle and daughter Alana just want Iveta to come home. Photo: Aja Styles

A search warrant was conducted at the Parmelia home, once belonging to missing mother Iveta Mitchell, at about 3pm and items seized.

At 8pm, Mrs Mitchell's eldest son Peter said they were enjoying a barbecue to celebrate his mum's 38th birthday and reports of his step-father's arrest were false.

Mr Mitchell will face one count of receiving at the Perth Magistrate's Court at a later date.

Police say the arrest is not related to Mrs Mitchell's disappearance.

Mrs Mitchell has been missing since May 3, when she walked out of the family home after a fight with her husband over household finances.

Her search took a sudden twist when Mr Mitchell reported that her wedding and engagement rings had turned up on the family home's front doorstep on May 18.

A nearby quarry and surrounding bushland has been searched for clues of her disappearance or a possible body, to no avail.

Mrs Mitchell is 165cm with a slim build, brown shoulder-length hair with light streaks, brown eyes and an olive complexion.

She has a tattoo of a tiger on the right side of her back.

She was wearing black tracksuit pants and a black jacket or jumper at the time of her disappearance.

Family pleads for Iveta Mitchell to come home for her birthday

Iveta Mitchell

·         By Katherine Fenech

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/family-pleads-for-iveta-mitchell-to-come-home-for-her-birthday-20100616-yg4v.html

The husband of missing woman Iveta Mitchell said he's living by "begging" from friends and family after losing his job and doesn't know how he'll get through her birthday today.

The Parmelia mother-of-three, who left her Meares Avenue house after an argument with her husband Chad Mitchell over finances on May 3, will turn 38 today.



  The AWN.bz have been provided information that Sarah McMahon was scared of her life becuase she knew who was involved in the Claremont Serial Killings and have made a written sworn statement which is keen kept in sake keeping with a group who will bring this statement out to the public at the appropriate time..
Thus Sarah McMahon had every reason to be scares of being murdered to silence her, or completely disappear to another country with a new identity and a new name .... the statement the Sarah McMahon that is in safe keeping with copiers with various different people is the key to helping the Western Australian Police and the Western Australian People and the parents and relations of the murder victims have closure ..... Sarah's statement high profile and powerful people being involved in the Claremont Serial Killings and abductions .. when the names are released 
 the Western Australian Police and the Western Australian People and the parents and relations of the murder victims have closure will be in a complete state of shock  ...... the truth always comes out in the end .... the Truth is always triumphant ....  it would  be better for all those involved which are named in the hidden statement to come forward  and say sorry rather than them have to be named and exposed form the statement ... it is not known is Sarah McMahon has disappeared or was murdered to silence her ....however is it hoped that Sarah McMcMahon is alive and well and living is another country ...... and there would be no pint in anyone trying to cause any harm to Sarah McMahon is this very brave girl is still alive, because she statement has already been written and sworn and a  number of original copied of Sarah McMahon's sworn statement are in sale hands with various people ... which can be released at any time  ... if and when the time is right ....
What every one thinks about Donald Morey and whether he is telling the truth and what happened to Sarah McMahon ...there is no doubt that Donald Morey told the truth when he said at the inquest into the disappearance of Sarah Mahon ...that Sarah McMahon was in extreme danger in Perth and in fact anywhere in Australia because he knew too much .... and if it was revealed where Sarah McMahon was and what name she was under now ...assuming that Sarah McMahon is still alive ... the would put Sarah McMahon's life in extreme danger from the powerful who that Sarah McMahon will knows where involved on various levels in the Claremont Serial Killings and Abductions...

Morey claimed he never saw Ms McMahon the day she vanished, but had helped her formulate a plan to flee the country illegally.

"She's overseas, she's alive and she has two children," he said.

"I have been in contact with Sarah basically ever since."

If you want to put her life in danger you f..king wear it.

But he refused to say where Ms McMahon was living, claiming he was protecting her and her children from danger by not revealing her whereabouts.

                                  'Sarah's still alive, living overseas'_ Morey

                                                                                                                                 Rania Spooner

                                                                   http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/sarahs-still-alive-living-overseas-morey-20121214-2beir.html

                                                                                                       
                        Sarah McMahon was 20 when she was last seen in November, 2000

 convicted prisoner told an inquest into the disappearance of Perth woman Sarah McMahon more than a decade ago she's still alive and living overseas with two children.

The last confirmed sighting of Ms McMahon, then 20 years old, was on November 8, 2000.

She was seen driving away from her Claremont workplace while talking on the telephone, the inquest into her suspected death heard in Perth this week.

Before leaving work she had mentioned she was going to "see a bloke" in the Bassendean area that afternoon, the Coroner's Court heard.

The last person she took a call from was Donald Morey, a man 25 years her senior, who has since been convicted of trying to strangle a prostitute to death in 2003.

Currently serving 13 years' jail for the attempted murder, Morey, now 57 and in poor health due to a heart condition, appeared at the Perth inquest into Ms McMahon's suspected death on Friday.

According to a work log he kept for his job with a trucking company at the time, Morey had been cleaning and refuelling trucks at his workplace when Ms McMahon "disappeared".

But Counsel Assisting the Coroner Philip Urquhart accused Morey of fabricating the entry.

Mr Urquhart said there was no record of him using his fuel card, while phone tower records placed his mobile near the Bassendean area that afternoon.

Morey claimed he never saw Ms McMahon the day she vanished, but had helped her formulate a plan to flee the country illegally.

"She's overseas, she's alive and she has two children," he said.

"I have been in contact with Sarah basically ever since."

If you want to put her life in danger you f..king wear it.

But he refused to say where Ms McMahon was living, claiming he was protecting her and her children from danger by not revealing her whereabouts.

Morey would also not say how he has been communicating with Ms McMahon after he was imprisoned in 2005, for fear of being "locked up in maximum security indefinitely".

"Do not put her life in danger," he told Mr Urquhart when questioned about where Ms McMahon was and how she left the country.

Morey also maintained his innocence in relation to the attempted murder conviction, which he suggested he'd been set up for because of Ms McMahon's "disappearance".

"It was Sarah's decision to leave - not mine," he said.

Sarah's family have not heard from her in 12 years.

Morey met Ms McMahon at her older sister's house months before she disappeared and maintained there was never a sexual relationship between the pair.

"She could confide in me," he said. "We just talked".

Ms McMahon had intended to call her mother before she left, but had lost her phone, Morey told the inquest.

He said he was unable to contact her for more than a month after she left but sent her text messages and repeatedly tried to call.

"All I can tell you is I sent a hell of a lot of text messages," he said.

But Mr Urquhart told the Coroner there were no records of Morey trying to contact Ms McMahon by phone after November 8, 2000.

Morey then refused to answer any further questions and accused Mr Urquhart of "winding" him up when he had a "crook heart".

"Mr Morey it seems to me you just don't want to answer the hard questions," Mr Urquhart said.

Morey requested a medic and was taken back into lockup.

"If you want to put her life in danger you f..king wear it," he said.

Ms McMahon's sister Amanda Smith giving evidence earlier in the week described Morey as "creepy" and "too interested" in her younger sister.

The inquest has also heard evidence of a black bag found in Morey's bedroom after Ms McMahon's disappearance, which according to three witnesses contained gaffer tape, rope, knives and graphic pornographic magazines which involved fake corpses in compromising positions.

Morey accepted he had a black bag he used to carry his lunch in for work, but rejected ever buying the pornographic material.

"Common sense tells you I'm not into that sort of garbage for starters," he said.

"Man, if I'm supposed to be this mad serial killer running around, why would I be carrying this bag around with me."

The state coroner Alastair Hope will hand down his findings on January 17. It is not known whether they would involve recommendations to the DPP.

western australia

Coroner says missing woman Sarah McMahon was murder victim

http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/coroner-says-missing-woman-sarah-mcmahon-was-murder-victim/news-story/d64ef5cdd62f86daf5f6034797190448

                          

                                                                                                                                                                    Sarah McMahon

JANUARY 18, 2013 Angie RaphaelAAP

THE West Australian coroner has found that a 20-year-old woman missing for more than 12 years was a victim of a homicide, but has refused to rule on whether a suspect in the case was involved in the crime.

Sarah Anne McMahon disappeared on November 8, 2000 after telling a colleague she was meeting a friend at 5.30pm and then failing to pick up her sister at 8.30pm that evening.

Donald Victor Morey, 57, has long been considered a suspect in her disappearance and was the last person to speak to Ms McMahon before she disappeared.

After the initial police investigation drew a blank, a further investigation was launched after Morey was convicted of the attempted murder of a Perth prostitute in 2004 and sentenced to 13 years in prison.

He had also been a person of interest in the death of another prostitute the previous year.

However, police were again unable to substantiate enough evidence against Morey, who has consistently denied any involvement in Ms McMahon's disappearance.

A cold case review of both investigations was launched last year and Morey said he was still in contact with Ms McMahon, who he claimed was living in Canada with her two children.

Coroner Alastair Hope said on Thursday that because Ms McMahon had not contacted her loved ones in more than 12 years, he was confident she was dead.

"The circumstances in which Ms McMahon disappeared are sinister and I have confidently been able to exclude the possibility that she died by way of natural causes, accident or suicide,'' he said.

 "In my view, the evidence points overwhelmingly to the proposition that she died by way of unlawful homicide.''

Mr Hope said there was no evidence that Ms McMahon left the country and there were no records held in Medicare, Centrelink, the Australian Taxation Office, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade or her bank that would suggest that she was alive in Australia after that time.

A key piece of evidence examined at the inquest was a statement from Natasha Tracy-Ann Kendrick, dated November 11, 2011.

In her statement, Ms Kendrick said she walked into Morey's room and saw a bloodied naked girl on the bed with an "old fashioned rope'' around her neck.

Ms Kendrick claimed that she later saw Morey carrying ``something wrapped in a quilt over his left shoulder'' and said she knew it was McMahon's body.

However, Mr Hope noted that police were unable to find evidence to corroborate her account.

He said there was also evidence capable of supporting a conclusion that Morey lied to police about his movements on November 8, 2000 and falsified documents to support those lies.

"It is always possible that some further evidence may come to light which could result in criminal charges being laid at some later date,'' he said.

"In that context, I do not propose to make any finding in relation to Mr Morey's involvement.''

Originally published as Missing woman 'a murder victim'

DECEMBER 14 2012

McMahon mystery deepens as key statement is recanted

 Rania Spooner

 The truth of what happened to 20-year-old Sarah McMahon, who vanished more than a decade ago, appears more elusive than ever after a key witness into her suspected death recanted part of a crucial statement she allegedly told police last year.

Following three police investigations spanning 12 years, an inquest was launched in Perth this week in an attempt to uncover more information about what happened to Ms McMahon.

Natasha Tracey-Ann Kendrick leaves court. 

The special crime squad of the WA Police force, tasked with investigating unsolved cases, finally appeared to have unearthed new information in November 2011.A former prostitute, who had already been interviewed twice over the disappearance, changed her version of what happened the night Ms McMahon disappeared in November 2000.Natasha Tracey-Ann Kendrick, now 50, who at the time believed she was dying from liver failure, allegedly told police she had been called to a friend's house that night and saw the body of a woman she believed was Ms McMahon.

The pair had met some weeks earlier at the same house where her friend - the homeowner - had taken on a lodger who would later be convicted of attempted murder over an unrelated case, the Coroner's Court heard.Ms McMahon who lived with her family in Parkerville in Perth's Hills, was last seen leaving her Claremont workplace on November 8, 2000.She had enrolled in a Bachelor of Arts at Murdoch University that year but by September had suspended her studies as she battled with depression and drug use, her sister Amanda Smith told the inquest.

She was also dealing with a difficult break-up, according to her sister.Through the church where her parents were long-standing members Ms McMahon had secured a part-time job working in administration - she disappeared after finishing her second shift.As she drove away from work, the last phone call Ms McMahon ever answered was from Donald Morey - a man 25 years older her senior who has since been convicted of attempting to strangle a prostitute to death, the inquest heard,At the time, Morey was living with his boss Gareth Allen in Marangaroo - although he had a home in Chidlow he shared with this de facto partner on the weekends, the Coroner's Court heard.In the statement Ms Kendrick recanted on Thursday, she had claimed she helped clean up Mr Allen's house after seeing a woman's body in Morey's room the night of Ms McMahon's disappearance.

Despite being played a secretly recorded conversation with her brother taken the day after she gave her statement in which she says her "conscience is clear" and she's "done something positive", she now maintains she never saw a body.

Ms Kendrick told the Coroner's Court she had been on drugs, and was "scared" and "confused" when she gave the statement to police last year.In his evidence, Mr Allen described the entire statement as "lies" and offered to do a lie detector test to prove he never called Ms Kendrick to his house that night and that there was never a body.He also maintains he wasn't even at home."I had it read to me by the coppers and I laughed ," Mr Allen said of the statement."I told them 'that's a beautiful story but it ain't true' "He said Morey took Ms McMahon and her sister over to Mr Allen's house on one occasion before her disappearance and had referred to her as "his new girl," he told the court.The afternoon Ms McMahon disappeared, Morey had asked to borrow a truck from Mr Allen to go and see "Sarah", Mr Allen said."That's who I presumed it was - I'm pretty sure he said Sarah or the young girl," he said."I imagine he hoped for sex."Knowing him - without a doubt."But Mr Allen maintained he never saw Ms McMahon and could not say whether the truck was returned that night.Several months after Ms McMahon's disappearance, Mr Allen's wife, Marta Allen, had contacted police about a black bag that belonged to Morey, which was discovered when he was in hospital for chest pains in March 2001, the Coroner's Court heard.Mr Allen said the bag contained graphic pornography involving people "dressed up like they were dead" that he "could not even look at".It also contained gaffer tape, rope and knives, he said."Marta came to me and said I need to go to the police and I told her to follow her heart," he said.But before the police came to look at the bag - days later - Morey's partner had come and taken it away, he said.

Morey, who is currently serving 13 years jail for attempted murder, is expected to give evidence on Friday.He has consistently denied any knowledge of what happened to Ms McMahon. The inquest continues.

             Violent attacker is suspect in murders

                                                                          LUKE ELIOT - Monday, November 07, 2011

                                                          https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/violent-attacker-is-suspect-in-murders-ng-ya-141907

In September 2005, career criminal Donald Victor Morey was convicted after trial of attempted murder.

Donald Morey

A street prostitute who narrowly survived a brutal bashing at the hands of a sexual deviant who is suspected of being involved in two unsolved suspected murders says she is still haunted by the chilling attack and believes her assailant may have killed other women.

In her first media interview since the December 2003 attack, the woman, who did not want her name published, described crawling through a swamp and scaling a 2.4m high concrete wall in a bid to escape.

"I know there are other girls who aren't as lucky as I was," the woman said.

In September 2005, career criminal Donald Victor Morey was convicted after trial of attempted murder.

In handing down a 13-year jail term, Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Miller accepted the prosecutor's submission that there was no sexual motive to Morey's crime as he was impotent at the time.

"This woman was a random target and . . . it was predatory conduct on your part," Justice Miller said. "It was a premeditated offence, that you planned to take her to a remote area and it was not the case that you voluntarily desisted from what you were doing."

Morey's appeals were dismissed and he remains behind bars.

He is a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle, a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003, and to the disappearance of Sarah McMahon, a 20-year-old Parkerville woman who has not been seen leaving her Claremont workplace exactly 11 years ago today. Her vehicle was found at Swan District Hospital. Morey denies involvement in both cases but admits he knew Ms McMahon.

Ms Ugle's body was found in April 2003 near Mundaring Weir - a short distance from Morey's Chidlow home and from the Helena Valley street where he took his December 2003 victim. The two prostitutes knew each other.

"We don't think it is going to happen to us but I didn't put two and two together," the prostitute who escaped said.

"I'm not a dumb girl. I have good instincts and he was good enough to make me go against my instincts."

She said she felt uneasy getting into Morey's car that night in December 2003 but accepted $900 to have sex with him.

"I think he might have panicked because I realised he was going around in circles," she said.

"He calmly pulled his car over to the side of the road and he already had rope wrapped around his hand when he turned his car off."

Morey tried to place the rope over the woman's neck but she put her back against the passenger door and repeatedly kicked him.

"I fell out backwards and hit the kerb with my back," she said.

"He dived out over the top of me and I got him in the face with my feet. I think that dazed him a little bit. I crawled to the back of the car and he followed me.

"He was punching into me for about 15 minutes and I was screaming. I climbed on to the back of his car . . . to try not to let him get me back into the car again."

The woman managed to climb a high wall and stumble through a swampy area.

"I was screaming," she said. Morey eventually got back in his car and drove off.

The woman said the attack changed her life.

"I couldn't walk out in the street at night," she said.

"If I see someone who looks like him I jump a little, even though I know he is in jail."



Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page50

19-10-2015 elastic 

New Article ruling out suspects
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...lling-suspect/

Compo call for cleared Claremont killing suspect

Grant TaylorOctober 19, 2015, 12:35 am


Billboard of missing Claremont serial killer victim Sarah Spiers.The State Opposition believes the former “chief suspect” as the Claremont serial killer should get compensation after explosive claims that all former suspects had now been cleared.
The Post newspaper reported on Friday about a forensic link between the Claremont murders and an earlier rape case.
That evidence had also helped clear former Cottesloe public servant Lance Williams, who was publicly revealed as a suspect in the late 1990s.
Police refused to confirm or deny the newspaper’s claims but shadow attorney-general John Quigley said that if true, the Government should force police to admit they got it wrong.
“If it was not Lance Williams, he would certainly have a clear case for compensation for what he was subjected to, which was years of harassment by police,” Mr Quigley said.
“And if I was the Government ... I would also want an inquiry to determine why he was treated the way he was.”
Mr Williams was subjected to years of intense police scrutiny, including police cars parked outside his home day and night and following his every movement.
His workstation at the Department of Transport was bugged, with one reportedly crashing through the ceiling on to his desk.
And after he agreed to a lie detector test and “failed” it, journalists were tipped off about the outcome to keep pressure on him.
Mr Williams’ family have claimed that police tactics had an enormous impact on his life, resulting in psychiatric treatment on several occasions.
The family also claim police told them in 2008 that they would not be “troubled by them again” but Mr Williams was now reluctant to seek compensation out of fear it could provoke them.
Attorney-General Michael Mischin yesterday dismissed the idea of an inquiry into Mr Williams’ treatment, saying he should lodge a claim through the appropriate channels if he felt he was unfairly targeted.


Mr Mischin said any claim for compensation would be dealt with on its merits and that if someone claimed police acted maliciously towards them, then there could be avenues of redress through the courts and they should seek legal advice

19-10-2015 elastic 

So if all the suspects have now been cleared. 

Who were the official suspects, we know Lance Williams, we also know Steve Ross, so who was officially a suspect, Peter Weygers, although they raided him based on a psychics thoughts, how keystone can you get?

19-10-2015 alioop Verified Attorney (AU)

Hi everyone, i have been asked to advise on how the police can obtain a DNA sample from a suspect.

Here is a link to Western Australian law.

DNA samples

Police can take samples from people charged with, or suspected of, committing a serious offence that carries a statutory penalty of 12 months or more, regardless of the actual sentence imposed.

So if there are any suspects, they can take a DNA sample from them. I expect they would first get an order from a judge after showing some evidence of why they consider the person a suspect. Of course they could just ask the person first and there would be no need for an order.

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Ourservi...3/Default.asp

19-10-2015 elastic

Lets get back to Morey as he come onto the radar recently. Reading a news article on Debbie Marshall she undoubtedly believes Sarah McMahons murder was a CSK kill. This was at a time when Morey was known to Police and locked up in prison for his attempted murder after abducting a prostitute. Then we had Con Bayens come out recently and basically name Morey whilst not specifically identifying the POI. But he hints at High gate, a place Morey was KNOWN to prowl looking for potential victims.

 Donald Morey

No one can provide any proof at all about Morey being locked up during these years, or that Morey was out of the State, its been assumed, but never proven, thus blows this case wide open. Not one article at all can be found, or any news paper ruling him out, yet the News Papers have been happy to comment on Morey being a susepcted serial killer and The West had him branded all over the front page with the words 'Killer' or some such sprayed across the paper around the time the documentary was coming out with the new POI being identified, Judoman and a sexual predator who carries a knife... Morey is a former Abattoir worker, a knife specialist in everyway.



Sarah McMahon fits the victims profile to a T. She is exactly the same sort of victim you would have expected the CSK to target in every conceivable way. Morey's temptation to execute this kill fits the profile of the CSK. Ill explain why below.

Lets assume Morey killed these victims which everyone suspects he did, but being a master serial killer there is no physical evidence to suggest he actually did the kills, just enormous swaths of circumstantial evidence suggesting he was involved. Moreys known victims had suffered through the use of a cable/rope.. this method of disarming fits with the CSK. The Karrakatta victim had a rope bound around her neck from memory, rope was involved, it is assumed Ciara Glennon had some involvement with rope, then we had an article in the POST some years back identifying a print shop and rope, but now we are being told its 'cable' as the facts become more clear... Whatever Morey chose to tie up his victim, rope/cable, it fits his profile again.

Credit to Sutton for posting this (*Will do some rejigging to show a possible timeline):

1995 - Karrakatta Cemetery rape, Claremont
Jan. 1996 - Sarah Spiers abducted Claremont- still missing (Hidden probably in the bush somewhere)-Was a possible call from the killer suggesting a really well hidden enormous area
June 1996 - Jane Rimmer- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- abattoir worker anyone?)
Mar. 1997 - Ciara Glennon- Abducted Claremont, Found dead, cause of death unknown (Foreign articles suggest major knife wounds- maybe im wrong and only one victims was identified in the foreign media as having major knife wounds throughout the body,If So it would be Ciara only where we know the cause of death?)
Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)
Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing (last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)
Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)
Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)
Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)


So has Morey started with the claremont victims and satisfied his MO with killing pretty rich girls, He would be the perfect candidate for a blitz attack, he is big and powerful, a former abattoir worker, smart, highly intelligent, smug (He sat there and testified to the coroner than Sarah McMahon was still alive and blatantly lied when he is most definitely the killer), knows how to hide evidence, is an expert at hiding bodies and knows the bush areas and surrounds of Perth better than probably anyone. Now with the heat on he moves across to the sex areas of Perth, he is a serial killer, he needs to kill, so he gets his urges this way for a while, he picks up numerous street girls, the Police look the other way, they have a suspect by now and he continues to kill in the background.

Sarah McMahon was rumoured (yes its a rumour) buying Meth from Donald Morey, Donald Morey would have known she wouldn't have told anyone her whereabouts when buying the drugs from Morey, its was an opportunist kill, the heat was back on, so he moved back to killing the street workers where one eventually smashed his head with her feet and escaped over a brick wall whilst he tried to BOUND and GAG her in his car...

Morey is supposedly fires blanks, I have read that rapists who are impotent don't leave behind DNA. They don't have DNA in their semen, he could be the Karrakatta rapist and have left behind NO DNA!

They locked Morey up and gave him what 16 years, he will be out in the next few years.. In WA our sentences run concurrently, if you are locked up for 20 years and are charged for another 20 years after serving a few years you only do 22 years for both crimes... Now all of a sudden a year or two out they have evidence, they are going to crack the case, all the reviews up untill now have concluded the police have done the right thing. Maybe the Police know its Morey, they know if they charge him for the Karrakatta murder and have a link to the Ciara Glennon murder they can make the charge stick that he also killed Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, without any direct evidence. Maybe they are waiting to charge the man soon so he stays in prison? Who knows but it all seems a little sus that he now appears to be a MAJOR suspect and people arent being afraid to come out with it.

Morey is cool, clam, highly intelligent, A former abattoir worker, a expert at navigating in the bush, took amphetamines so stayed up all night, impotent so may not leave behind his DNA in his semen, used rope or cable to bound and gag his victims, was an expert at Blitz attacks and is possibly the sexual predator/ Con Bayens suspect that has become a major focus of the CSK investigation. No media have ruled him out, no police have ever ruled him out..

19-10-2015 Parkie 

 Originally Posted by Sutton 

Morey?

Nah, S.R. Debi Marshall was on about. First up on Ten News a min ago at 5pm was LW old footage & Quigley quips up re compensation for LW since the Karrakatta Guy is linked. Now; Telstra stuff has come up a bit. Did the CSK know a Telco in some way? Pal? Landlord? Employer?

Nah, S.R. Debi Marshall was on about. First up on Ten News a min ago at 5pm was LW old footage & Quigley quips up re compensation for LW since the Karrakatta Guy is linked. Now; Telstra stuff has come up a bit. Did the CSK know a Telco in some way? Pal? Landlord? Employer?

19-10-2015 Sutton 

 Originally Posted by alioop

Hi everyone, i have been asked to advise on how the police can obtain a DNA sample from a suspect.

Here is a link to Western Australian law.

DNA samples

Police can take samples from people charged with, or suspected of, committing a serious offence that carries a statutory penalty of 12 months or more, regardless of the actual sentence imposed.

So if there are any suspects, they can take a DNA sample from them. I expect they would first get an order from a judge after showing some evidence of why they consider the person a suspect. Of course they could just ask the person first and there would be no need for an order.

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Ourservi...3/Default.aspx

Thanks for posting a straight forward answer. That is a very permissive statute--DNA can be collected from anyone suspected of a serious crime (with penalty stipulations). 

This causes a big problem for my theory, if police actually do have DNA. The articles indicate a forensic link, so it's possible they are referring to fibers or tire impressions or something else. 

If police were able to collect DNA from Ciara, then they would have been able to collect from and test against Judoman.

19-01-2015 elastic 

Originally Posted by Parkie

Elastic I`m sorry but truck drivers/ abbatoir workers aren`t usually highly intelligent. He is not the CSK. They might have a link from Karrakatta to CG but imho it will not help if they don`t have the bloke. And especially if he is a long long way from Claremont. And there is always the case of say the possibility of two guys & they didn`t find any DNA of one of them at all.

Well that is a really dumb thing to say. There have been plenty of truck driver serial killers in the USA. Also I wouldn't lump everyone into the same category and call them stupid based on an occupation. There are some incredibly smart people in society who are good at certain things, Morey is a killing machine, he only needs to be intelligent at killing, and he has the nous for it.
also explain what you think Morey was doing prior to 1998? sitting around thinking about being a serial killer?
given Morey's age I very much doubt he only started killing in 1998, he has probably been at this for decades.

19-10-2015 Bartholemeus

Lance Williams

I think the only thing he will be able to get compensation for is Macro leaking his details. They have denied and will deny it but a rational judge will rule that police leaked it.
LW says he doesn't want to sue. That's suspicious in my books.

10-19-2015 Bartholemeus

 Originally Posted by Sutton 

Thanks for posting a straight forward answer. That is a very permissive statute--DNA can be collected from anyone suspected of a serious crime (with penalty stipulations). 
This causes a big problem for my theory, if police actually do have DNA. The articles indicate a forensic link, so it's possible they are referring to fibers or tire impressions or something else. 
If police were able to collect DNA from Ciara, then they would have been able to collect from and test against Judoman.

The law may as well be "citizens have no rights because police can take your DNA whenever they feel fit".
In WA, if your house is used for crime, even if you're unaware of it, the courts can seize your house. An enderly couple owned and lived in their home for decades. They bought the house with honest money. They were unaware their 45 year old son was a pot dealer and stash a few pounds in their roof space. He got busted. The Court acknowledged the couple were law abiding and probably didn't know about the drugs. Court seizes their house off them. Another time a woman's ex-husband sexually assaulted some years before in their marital home (now her home). Court seized house.
WA. WTF?

19-10-2015 Sutton 

Originally Posted by elastic

...So has Morey started with the claremont victims and satisfied his MO with killing pretty rich girls, He would be the perfect candidate for a blitz attack, he is big and powerful, a former abattoir worker, smart, highly intelligent, smug (He sat there and testified to the coroner than Sarah McMahon was still alive and blatantly lied when he is most definitely the killer), knows how to hide evidence, is an expert at hiding bodies and knows the bush areas and surrounds of Perth better than probably anyone. Now with the heat on he moves across to the sex areas of Perth, he is a serial killer, he needs to kill, so he gets his urges this way for a while, he picks up numerous street girls, the Police look the other way, they have a suspect by now and he continues to kill in the background.

Morey is supposedly fires blanks, I have read that rapists who are impotent don't leave behind DNA. They don't have DNA in their semen, he could be the Karrakatta rapist and have left behind NO DNA!

They locked Morey up and gave him what 16 years, he will be out in the next few years.. In WA our sentences run concurrently, if you are locked up for 20 years and are charged for another 20 years after serving a few years you only do 22 years for both crimes... Now all of a sudden a year or two out they have evidence, they are going to crack the case, all the reviews up untill now have concluded the police have done the right thing. Maybe the Police know its Morey, they know if they charge him for the Karrakatta murder and have a link to the Ciara Glennon murder they can make the charge stick that he also killed Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer, without any direct evidence. Maybe they are waiting to charge the man soon so he stays in prison? Who knows but it all seems a little sus that he now appears to be a MAJOR suspect and people arent being afraid to come out with it…

RSBM. You have a good argument for Morey. Here are my 'hold-outs':

1. DNA! If Morey is the CSK, they don't have DNA (see impotence issue below)

2. The behavior pattern isn't right-Morey does a very tidy job abducting, killing and disposing of three very high risk victims. No one sees anything, even though he would seem out-of-place in Claremont and I don't think it would be his natural hunting grounds. But he pulls everything off without a hitch. 

His lust temporarily satisfied he holds off while police pressure is at its highest. Morey then makes an obvious disappearance of Sarah Mcmahon. He regresses in his skill and sophistication. Morey then decides to go for sex workers, very low risk victims bc they willingly get in his vehicle. But he lets the situation with one of the girls gets out of hand and everything falls apart.

I guess this is possible, maybe he became manic or he just devolved. Its more than just sloppiness. 

Impotence means unable to achieve or sustain an erection. Morey wouldn't be firing anything if he was impotent. Non-secreters do not leave behind DNA (there is brand new science in this, idk what though). Even sterile men ejaculate DNA (unless they are non-secreter). IMO, I'm not an ED expert.

The last part of your post sounds fanciful, but I will have a new admiration for police if it's true. It would explain why the victims' families have never really spoken out against police (idk the attitude there, that might not be acceptable).

19-10-2015 Bartholemeus

 Originally Posted by elastic 

So if all the suspects have now been cleared. 

Who were the official suspects, we know Lance Williams, we also know Steve Ross, so who was officially a suspect, Peter Weygers, although they raided him based on a psychics thoughts, how keystone can you get?

Judoman, Weygers, Dixie.
All would have provided DNA and seemingly all are ruled out.

19-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by elastic

Lets get back to Morey as he come onto the radar recently. Reading a news article on Debbie Marshall she undoubtedly believes Sarah McMahons murder was a CSK kill. This was at a time when Morey was known to Police and locked up in prison for his attempted murder after abducting a prostitute.

Lots of people though SM was a CSK victim because she was last seen in Claremont. Lots of people also though Hayley Dodd was too. Once the evidence came out about Morey it was obvious be did SM and most people assumed he wasn't the CSK.

Then we had Con Bayens come out recently and basically name Morey whilst not specifically identifying the POI.

Whilst I think it's Morey, Bayens gave no indication who he was talking about.

No one can provide any proof at all about Morey being locked up during these years, or that Morey was out of the State, its been assumed, but never proven, thus blows this case wide open. Not one article at all can be found, or any news paper ruling him out, yet the News Papers have been happy to comment on Morey being a susepcted serial killer and The West had him branded all over the front page with the words 'Killer' or some such sprayed across the paper around the time the documentary was coming out with the new POI being identified, Judoman and a sexual predator who carries a knife... Morey is a former Abattoir worker, a knife specialist in everyway.

CIA didn't say knife. They said gun and ammo concealed under front passenger seat.
The rest is a reasonable case. I wonder how highly police rate him?

19-10-2015 Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by Parkie 

Nah, S.R. Debi Marshall was on about. First up on Ten News a min ago at 5pm was LW old footage & Quigley quips up re compensation for LW since the Karrakatta Guy is linked. Now; Telstra stuff has come up a bit. Did the CSK know a Telco in some way? Pal? Landlord? Employer?

Where's the Telstra stuff coming from? The media? Or from this thread?

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Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page51&s=c113e2b4758daa2f0c99fe2711d393e3

19-10-2015 Parkie ]

Ok, They have DNA from Karrakatta. Maybe he didn`t care cause of a little while after this case and after the main 3 he quit his employment & nicked off overseas cause he saw DNA testing was coming. Maybe he could not risk being still in this town. Is he responsible for the skirt ripping/taking & head bashing in the lane behind Hungry Jacks? This shows the not so nice guy she was chatting up at the pub but a violent offender for sure.The attack at Coles Loading dock? The fleeing of a taxi with the woman getting a broken ankle? The Davies Road attack & lo & behold the Now linked Karrakatta case? All a bit close to Claremont IMHO. His home base for a spell?

19-10-2015 drpath 

I refer here to the coroner's report on Sarah McMahon's disappearance and suspected death, as posted by someone earlier in the thread (forgive me for forgetting who shared the link). 

The coroner's report implicates Morey in Sarah's murder. He was her last known contact (he called her mobile) on the evening that she disappeared. He stated that she had left the country and was still in contact with him via phone and text after she disappeared, but he could not provide any evidence to corroborate that story. Police also found no evidence of phone records indicating he had contact with her after she disappeared. 

Sarah McMahon does not fit with a CSK kill. Firstly, he seems to have a "type" that he preferred as all of the known CSK victims had a similar appearance. Sarah McMahon looked very different to Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer, and Ciara Glennon. Additionally, Morey's purported killing of Sarah does not appear to have the level of organisation of a CSK kill and 2 other people (Allen and his wife) are alleged to have some involvement in the concealment of the crime. 

The CSK is meticulously organised. His crimes had no known witnesses. He was careful, precise. He enjoys killing. The cemetery rape was committed by one individual and there is a forensic link to Ciara Glennon's murder. Sarah McMahon's murder could not be more different from the known CSK crimes. I don't think that the CSK would risk getting caught or want his crimes to be witnessed. The CSK likes his privacy. I don't believe that Sarah McMahon's murder was a CSK kill, and I don't believe that Morey is/was the Claremont Serial Killer. I think that the Claremont Serial Killer is unknown to the police at this stage.

19-10-2015 elastic 

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus #

Judoman, Weygers, Dixie.

All would have provided DNA and seemingly all are ruled out.

So when was Judoman officially made a suspect?

We know from the CIA episode that he is, they mention he is a 'martial arts expert from a wealthy English (Or do they say 'British') Family' But when have the Police ever bothered to make it public?

We know Steve Ross was on the radar early on, and then Weygers, and ofcourse Lance Williams... They were official!

Then we had Dixie, positively ruled out.

They had a last ditch effort to get Weygers using a psychics word before disbanding their efforts against him and basically ruling him out, Steve Ross hasnt seemed on the radar since. This was around the time of Moreys arrest so they obviously wanted one last attempt to see what their man had before they turned their focus from Weygers and Ross to Judoman and Possibly Morey.

They gave up on Lance a while back, I think it was 2007? around the time of the CIA episode production, so they knew then their focus had shifted entirely.

The Police as far as I am aware have not official announced Judoman or the Sexual Predator/Con Bayens possible POI so this is something the documenatry crew unofficially revealed possibly to scare the two POI's

Does anyone have anything substantial for Judoman so we can see how he measures up to Morey?


Barbara Western was last seen leaving a Perth pub on June 27, 1986....the 38-year-old mother of two was known to hitchhike home ... 

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #7 *ARREST

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?323506-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-7-*ARREST*/page23


http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/police-didnt-initially-believe-kate-moir-who-escaped-australias-worst-serial-killers/news-story/ee5f5408dd1aad8d01117275de649504



Police didn’t initially believe Kate Moir who escaped Australia’s worst serial killers
FEBRUARY 9, 2017
“YOU can’t tell me that this happened in just a space of four weeks all of a sudden, you just wake up one day and say, ‘Let’s do this, this sounds like fun’. And not have done it before.”
That is the view of Kate Moir, who endured multiple rapes while in the clutches of Australia’s worst serial killers, David and Catherine Birnie, in 1986.
Kate’s harrowing ordeal ultimately saw the pair jailed for life for the murder of four women, but it’s long been believed there were more victims.
Explosive new TV show Murder Uncovered investigated three more cases last night, naming them as possible victims: Cheryl Renwick, Barbara Western and Lisa Mott.
Perth civil libertarian Brian Tennant believes David Birnie was on the verge of confessing to three more crimes before he hanged himself in prison.
He told the program he asked during a prison visit: “Dave did you and Cath knock the other three off?
“He nodded his head and said yeah.”
David Birnie demanded a conjugal visit with his killer wife in return for divulging the names.
It was refused.
With David Birnie dead, Catherine Birnie remains the only one who knows if there are more victims.
She remains in prison but is eligible for parole later this year.
Her youngest son, Peter, abandoned with his siblings by her at the age of six, won’t be giving her a character reference.
He said he would support the death penalty for his mother.
“I don’t have a mother. It wouldn’t bother me. I would party for a week. It would be 30 years of stress off my shoulders,” he said.
His message to her? “Hurry up and die. Quickly.”

CHERYL RENWICK
Single mother of two Cheryl Renwick, 33, disappeared on May 25, 1986.



Michelle, Cheryl Renwick's daughter

Her daughter Michelle told Murder Uncovered her that before some her disappearance, a couple had been following her mother. She was disturbed enough to move house, but the stalking continued by telephone.
Daughter Michelle recounted two incidents in which a mystery woman came to their house when her mother was out, after a couple pulled up in a car outside. A friend who saw the woman identified her as Catherine Birnie.
After the Birnies were arrested, police searched charity bins and rivers looking for items they’d taken from their victims.

Among them, Michelle found a shirt her mother used to borrow from her, and a car key with the same emblem as her mother’s car.
She has not been reinterviewed by police.

BARBARA WESTERN
Barbara Western was last seen leaving a Perth pub on June 27, 1986.
The 38-year-old mother of two was known to hitchhike home sometimes and her disappearance came at the same time the Birnies were on their frenetic killing spree.
Her body was found in bushland in March 1991.
Her killer had removed her jewellery and other items and placed them beside the body: a hallmark of David Birnie’s.
Police officer Vince Katich was so convinced the Birnies had killed her, that he got permission to take him from prison to the murder site.
“Am I supposed to say something now?” was all David Birnie offered.


LISA MOTT
Lisa Marie Mott disappeared from the West Australian town of Collie on October 9, 1980. It was thought by some she had been killed by David Birnie before he teamed up with Catherine.
She was last seen getting into a yellow panel van. Years later police were told anonymously David Birnie owned a similar car and worked in the area.
David Birnie’s first wife told Murder Uncovered he was with her in Perth for that entire day. And she has no reason to give the man that walked out on her and their children to become a serial killer an alibi.

COPS DIDN’T BELIEVE RAPE VICTIM’S PLEAS
                                                             

                                                                                                                              David Birnie and Catherine Birnie

Police officers told a rookie constable interviewing the woman who escaped Australia’s worst serial killers to “stitch her up” for a false report, initially not believing Kate Moir’s harrowing survival of multiple rapes.
“I was told that it was a bizarre story and to ... just stitch her up for a false report. And I’ll never forget those words, that is verbatim, I have lived those words for 30 years,” former police officer Laura Hancock told Channel Seven’s Murder Uncovered.
Ms Hancock was the only woman on duty when Kate was brought into the station after escaping the clutches of serial killers David and Catherine Birnie on November 10, 1986.
Kate, 17, had been abducted, chained, and endured three rapes and a night of terror and torture before managing to escape.
It was the first police statement Ms Hancock had ever taken, she told Murder Uncovered.
“It became apparent fairly quickly that Kate was in some sort of form of shock,” she said.
“She believed that there had been others, and that they had died, and she was going to die ... and she was very emphatic with that.”
Kate was “calm, tired, very, very blank, very factual, matter of fact ... little emotion at that point,” Ms Hancock said.
“The focus was ‘This is who they are, go get them’ not ‘oh my God this is what I’ve just been through, the poor me’. It was ‘listen to me, here’s my story, this is why, this is how and this is who, go get them’.
Asked was Kate believed, Ms Hancock said not initially. She left the interview room multiple times to stress her belief Kate was telling the truth. Eventually the persistence paid off, and Kate provided a critical name — David Birnie — which she had spied on a pill bottle during her ordeal. Then a task force set up to investigate the disappearances of four other women heard Kate’s story, and police moved to arrest the Birnies.



David Birnie


Serial killer Catherine Birnie’s fourth bid for parole rejected
KATE CAMPBELL, Legal affairs reporter, PerthNow
March 18, 2016 
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/serial-killer-catherine-birnies-fourth-bid-for-parole-rejected/news-story/c9aaefcd0ec3bc9aa0971887393bfc61
LIAM BARTLETT: Perth serial killer Catherine Birnie deserves no mercy
REVIEW: Tom Percy again calls for Catherine Birnie’s release
NOTORIOUS WA serial killer Catherine Birnie will remain behind bars for at least another three years after her bid for parole was again rejected.
Attorney-General Michael Mischin said on Friday that he had accepted the Prisoners Review Board recommendation not to release Birnie, 64, on parole.
Under WA law, Birnie’s case for parole must be reviewed every three years, meaning her next statutory review date will be in 2019.
Mr Mischin said appropriate notifications had been made through the Victim Notification Register and he would be making no further comment on this matter. The PRB reported to the Attorney-General earlier this month.



Police officers told a rookie constable interviewing the woman who escaped Australia’s worst serial killers to “stitch her up” for a false report, initially not believing Kate Moir’s harrowing survival of multiple rapes.
“I was told that it was a bizarre story and to ... just stitch her up for a false report. And I’ll never forget those words, that is verbatim, I have lived those words for 30 years,” former police officer Laura Hancock told Channel Seven’s Murder Uncovered.
Ms Hancock was the only woman on duty when Kate was brought into the station after escaping the clutches of serial killers David and Catherine Birnie on November 10, 1986.
Kate, 17, had been abducted, chained, and endured three rapes and a night of terror and torture before managing to escape.
It was the first police statement Ms Hancock had ever taken, she told Murder Uncovered.
“It became apparent fairly quickly that Kate was in some sort of form of shock,” she said.
“She believed that there had been others, and that they had died, and she was going to die ... and she was very emphatic with that.”
Kate was “calm, tired, very, very blank, very factual, matter of fact ... little emotion at that point,” Ms Hancock said.
“The focus was ‘This is who they are, go get them’ not ‘oh my God this is what I’ve just been through, the poor me’. It was ‘listen to me, here’s my story, this is why, this is how and this is who, go get them’.
Asked was Kate believed, Ms Hancock said not initially. She left the interview room multiple times to stress her belief Kate was telling the truth. Eventually the persistence paid off, and Kate provided a critical name — David Birnie — which she had spied on a pill bottle during her ordeal. Then a task force set up to investigate the disappearances of four other women heard Kate’s story, and police moved to arrest the Birnies.


Serial killer Catherine Birnie’s fourth bid for parole rejected
KATE CAMPBELL, Legal affairs reporter, PerthNow
March 18, 2016 

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/serial-killer-catherine-birnies-fourth-bid-for-parole-rejected/news-story/c9aaefcd0ec3bc9aa0971887393bfc61

LIAM BARTLETT: Perth serial killer Catherine Birnie deserves no mercy

REVIEW: Tom Percy again calls for Catherine Birnie’s release

NOTORIOUS WA serial killer Catherine Birnie will remain behind bars for at least another three years after her bid for parole was again rejected.

Attorney-General Michael Mischin said on Friday that he had accepted the Prisoners Review Board recommendation not to release Birnie, 64, on parole.

Under WA law, Birnie’s case for parole must be reviewed every three years, meaning her next statutory review date will be in 2019.

Mr Mischin said appropriate notifications had been made through the Victim Notification Register and he would be making no further comment on this matter. The PRB reported to the Attorney-General earlier this month.

Birnie is a serving a life jail term with a 20-year minimum at Bandyup Women’s Prison for the abduction, rape and murder of four women in 1986.

Her partner in the brutal and sadistic crimes, David Birnie, hanged himself in his cell while in protective custody in Casuarina Prison in 2005.

Her parole has now been reviewed four times since her minimum term expired in 2007.

The couple tortured, raped and murdered four women in their Willagee house and at Gleneagles National Park near Albany Highway.

They were only caught after a fifth victim, aged 17, managed to escape after they abducted her at knifepoint.

In 2007, WA’s attorney-general Jim McGinty said Birnie should never be freed from jail.

But prominent Perth QC Tom Percy has repeatedly called for Birnie’s release, because she was now a quiet “church mouse” and keeping her locked up was an exercise in “pure revenge”.

The Birnies’ reign of terror started on October 6, 1986 and ended just over a month later on November 10 when their fifth victim escaped from their clutches.

Lead investigator in the case, former detective Paul Ferguson, has said of Catherine Birnie: “I honestly believe that woman has never given those victims one ounce of consideration, both the dead victims and the families of the victims.”

“She’s an actor. The person I met is all for herself and she will do whatever is necessary.

“They were parasites who lived off each other, the most evil people I’ve ever, ever come across.”


DAVID AND CATHERINE BIRNIE’S VICTIMS
Mary Neilson, 22
Susannah Candy, 15
Nolene Patterson, 31
Denise Brown, 21




UK LINK IN WA SERIAL MURDERS?

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/garyhughes/index.php/theaustralian/comments/uk_link_in_wa_serial_murders/

One of Australia’s longest-running serial murder investigations, the Claremont killings in Perth, has taken a new twist with the emergence of a suspect in Britain. The 35-year-old British man, who has been charged with the brutal murder of an 18-year-old girl, lived in WA at the time of the three unsolved Claremont murders. And there are intriguing similarities between the Perth murders and the killing in Britain. Perth police have asked for DNA records of the British suspect and are reportedly preparing to fly to London to question him. But if he does turn out to be the elusive Claremont serial killer, it will raise serious questions about how he was able to slip through the net, given he had been arrested for a sex offence in Perth about six years ago and deported.

Mark Dixie, a pub chef, was arrested in June and charged with the murder of 18-year-old model Sally Anne Bowman in the south London suburb of Croydon in 2005. He had been caught after providing a DNA sample to police following a pub punch-up earlier this year. The DNA sample tied him to the Bowman murder and an incident in south London in 2001, when he allegedly masturbated in front of a woman making a call from a public phone box.

The possible link between Dixie and the Claremont murders was revealed by a south London newspaper last week.

Sally Anne Bowman fits the profile of the three young women killed in Perth. All were attractive young blondes. And all were killed on their way home after being out at nightspots with friends.

Sally Anne was knifed to death, then sexually assaulted not far from her home. Bite marks were found on her body. Only two of the bodies of the Claremont murderer have been found. Police have always refused to reveal details of the cause of death or the injuries they suffered. Sarah Spiers, 18, disappeared in January 1996 and her body has never been found. Jane Rimmer, 23, was murdered in August 1996 and Ciara Glennon, 27, was killed in March 1997. Perth police have also always refused to say whether DNA of their killer was recovered from the bodies, although this seems likely because DNA testing has since been used to eliminate a number of suspects. It would also explain why Dixie’s DNA samples are being sent to Perth for testing.

According to the Perth Sunday Times, Dixie used the alias Shane Turner while working as a chef in Perth and other areas of WA in the 1990s. He became an illegal immigrant when he overstayed his visa and was eventually caught when he exposed himself to a woman in a telephone box about six years ago — the same type of crime he allegedly committed in London in 2001. He was deported back to the UK about six years ago.

WA police will only say that their contact with London police over Dixie was “standard practice of looking at perpetrators of major crimes and their possible links to offences that occurred in WA during their time here”. London police are believed to have already interviewed former friends of Dixie’s in WA.

If Dixie proves to be the Claremont serial killer, it will solve one of the intriguing aspects of the case — why the string of abductions and murders suddenly stopped. Most serial killers keep offending until they are caught.

Perth police had all but given up on ever catching the Claremont killer. In November 2004 a special panel comprising two Australian, two British and one US criminal experts was assembled to review all the evidence gathered to date in the investigation.  In September last year the Macro taskforce which had been working on the killings was scaled back and the investigation handed to a new cold case unit. 



Cops overlooked serial killer clues

Grant Taylor

Friday, April 29, 2016 

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/cops-overlooked-serial-killer-clues-ng-ya-105370?r=1

The scene at the Continental Hotel in Claremont on Saturday night.

Potentially vital clues that could help identify the Claremont serial killer were overlooked by police almost 20 years ago and are being examined urgently in the hope a breakthrough can still be made.

The Weekend West has learnt that police had a secret camera set up on Bay View Terrace in Claremont on the night the killer’s third victim Ciara Glennon vanished about midnight on March 14, 1997.

The camera is believed to have captured up to eight hours of high-quality vision that clearly shows the licence plates of hundreds of vehicles moving through the area before and after her disappearance.

The vision was watched by police at the time but for unknown reasons they never checked to see who owned the vehicles in the footage, or why they were in Claremont on the night.

Nearly two decades on, detectives are working to fix that mistake, tracking down the vehicle owners to see if a killer could be among them.

The failure to check the registrations was discovered by a new team of cold-case detectives who took over the Macro inquiry last year.

They have been searching through the case file for investigative opportunities that were missed.

The serial killer is believed to have begun stalking Claremont almost two years before abducting and murdering 27-year-old Ms Glennon.

On the night she vanished, it is possible he could have driven along Bay View Terrace several times searching for a target.

But the job of now identifying a suspect from the vision is likely to have been compromised by the 19-year delay.

As well as tracking down the owners of the vehicles, investigators need to establish who was using the cars on the night, or who could have had access to a vehicle such as family members, partners or even employees.

Some former owners will no doubt have forgotten those details, while others may be dead or living overseas.

WA Police have refused to say why the registrations were not checked earlier or if their current inquiries were bearing fruit. But a spokesman said solving the case was still a priority for police and claimed media speculation could prove harmful to the inquiry.

“A major investigation such as this cannot be an ‘open book’ and operational outcomes must be prioritised over media interest,” he said.

“Maintaining the operational integrity of this investigation is paramount if we are to bring the offender, or offenders, to justice.”

It is believed the secret police camera was installed in Claremont after the disappearance of the second victim, Jane Rimmer, in June 1996.

At that time, Claremont was not covered by a CCTV network.

The police camera was left in place in the hope that if the killer struck for a third time, it could help identify them.

 




Before You Leap Part 2 - Transcript- ESTELLE BLACKBURN

PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT: Monday, 12 November , 2007 

http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2007/s2089795.htm

TOM PERCY QC, PRESENTER: Hello, I'm Tom Percy, a Perth barrister. Tonight's program continues the story of acclaimed investigative journalist, Estelle Blackburn. Ms Blackburn looked into the decades old case of serial killer Eric Edgar Cooke and exposed the wrongful conviction of two men. But she's revealed that while she was investigating the Cooke saga, there was a harrowing parallel in her own life. In a moment the story continues, but first this re-cap.

LAST WEEK:

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: I met this wonderful dancer, very flamboyant, very great fun, terrific on the floor. I just loved my rock and roll with him. The dancing was terrific. I was hooked. He was just magnificent. One day that all changed. He just went on and on with punches, spitting, strangling me, pulling my hair, threatening to kill me. And I just submitted. I thought there was nothing I could do. I'm going to die. I was writing about Perth's serial killer of the 1960s, Eric Edgar Cooke and this violent, Cooke like figure manifested in my personal life.

MICHAEL MUNTZ, FORMER PARTNER: She was dishevelled. She was absolutely ashen faced. Her face was deathly white and there was a real fear in her eyes.

(Excerpt from news story):

REPORTER: Perth people haven't been so disturbed since the murderous rampage of Eric Edgar Cooke in the early 60s ...

(End of excerpt)
ESTELLE BLACKBURN: A girl went missing from the Claremont Hotel. Five months later another girl went missing from that same hotel.

(Excerpt from news story):

POLICE: We certainly have fears that there is a serial killer at loose in Perth.

(End of excerpt)
ESTELLE BLACKBURN: I was coming home from dancing one night and I looked around and there was nothing behind me, no-one behind me except an empty taxi. But I got home. The phone went as it so often did. I picked it up to his voice. I was terror struck and he told me the exact route I had taken home. And then he told me, he was driving that taxi.

(Excerpt from news story):
REPORTER: Ciara Elishe (phonetic) Glennon was celebrating St Patrick's Day with friends at the popular Continental Hotel …

(End of excerpt)
ESTELLE BLACKBURN: Ten days later, after I stood up to him, Ciara Glennon went missing.

(Excerpt continued): 

REPORTER: At about midnight she told them she was catching a taxi home. That was the last time she was seen.

(End of excerpt)
ESTELLE BLACKBURN: Then I suddenly realised he was a mechanic and he had a deal with a couple of Swan taxi drivers and he serviced them overnight. He had access to taxis almost every night.

PART 2 BEGINS:
(Excerpt from news story):

REPORTER: Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon vanished from the streets of Claremont without trace. They had all been out celebrating in the well-to-do suburb when their killer struck. The bodies of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon were found dumped in bush on the outskirts of Perth. Both had been brutally murdered. Sarah Spiers' body has never been found.

(End of excerpt)

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: Ciara Glennon was last seen on Stirling Highway trying to hail a taxi. Jane Rimmer had been planning to catch a taxi home. And the first girl who'd been taken, Sarah Spiers, had rung a taxi but had disappeared by time the taxi arrived. So the Macro Task Force the police had set up to try to find the Claremont killer, was concentrating on taxi drivers. Every taxi driver in Perth was under suspicion. I phoned in anonymously at that point. I wasn't quite brave enough. I rang in, not naming him, but saying - have you thought about mechanics and other people who have access to taxis. I rang his then girlfriend and asked her what he was doing on the night that Ciara Glennon went missing and she gave him an alibi. She said no, they were dancing all night. He was with her all night. So I relaxed a little bit, thinking it couldn't be him.

CAPTION:
Estelle Blackburn says her ex-boyfriend was a Romanian immigrant who claimed to have been a champion wrestler.
Although her relationship with him ended in March 1997, his threats continued.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: I've made a note of another threat in 98, 2nd of April; Thursday the 2nd of April. I was at the Hyde Park. He came up to me and threatened me, telling me I would be in danger. "Sometime in your future, you'll be in danger." He was always threatening that. It was always, "It'll be in the future, your car will blow up." And again, there you are - 22nd of April 98, a year after I'm free of him, still, "You'll be in danger sometime in your future." 
I was so serious about my ballroom dancing at that time, training for competition, that we hired a scout hall and trained for an hour every second day. I was so nervy and jumpy and always watching the door when I was ballroom dancing with my partner that finally I had to tell him. I just had to tell him why I was always looking over my shoulder. I had to tell him what was going on in my life, embarrassed as I was. But he was wonderful. He became quite a haven for me. He became somebody that I felt protected by. 
About a year after I finally got rid of him, he was doing exactly the same to the next girlfriend, the same horrific stuff and I just felt guilty. I felt responsible that I hadn't done anything to stop him. So I decided to go to Claremont police station and make a complaint about him and the officer there said, but you're safe now, why bother? Why don't you just document everything, give it to us as a report and we'll keep it here at the station. So I went through all my diaries. I had kept notes of all the attacks on me and I documented them in a full report and sent that to the Claremont police station.
In a way I was quite glad they didn't want to lay charges because I didn't really want to go through all that. But I can't blame them. I had withdrawn charges before. But I felt I'd done my duty. I had reported him. I'd done what I could. But at the same time I did feel very responsible that I had let him loose to attack other women.

CAPTION:
With a guarantee of anonymity, one of those other women described her ordeal to ‘Australian Story’.

WOMAN (spoken by actor): I haven't spoken to anyone about it; no-one at all. It's like I want it dead. I want it buried. I want it behind me. I don't even want to recall any of it. That's my coping mechanism.
It would have been about 11 o'clock in the morning. I had told him I don't want to go dancing with him any more. He slapped me round quite a bit. And then he injected me with - I believe it was heroin because he was a heroin dealer. I kept sort of drifting in and out of consciousness. It's like I wanted to scream but I couldn't scream. Next minute I was bundled into the boot of his car and he put tape around my mouth, like grey electrical tape, and wrapped it about ten times around my head. And he put rope around my hands. There were tools in the boot because he was a mechanic. There was plastic, like on the floor of the boot of the car. Most cars have carpet. This was plastic - not gladwrap plastic, thick plastic. I don't know how long we drove for. We came to this area and he dragged me out. First thing I remember seeing bush. And he pushed me to walk. Then we came to some cyclone fencing with a sign on it like, "No Entry" and an old wreck of a car. I was urinating and shaking and tears were pouring out of my eyes. And he took the tape off my mouth. I started begging him - I'm sorry, we can work this out, I'll give you money (he loved money) I love you, I'll do anything, we can get over this. He was shaking, blaming me, swearing, yelling at me, "I'm going to f*****g kill you!" It was all my fault. I was weeing myself the whole time - like I couldn't stop. He was ranting and raving. I thought I was going to die. It was just the bush, him, him screaming. I know he was going to kill me. But there was just something that suddenly he just calmed down. He took me home. He put me in the front but I couldn't get out because he's very clever with mechanical things and he'd doctored the lock so you couldn't open the door from inside. Then he said, "We're going dancing - fix your face."

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: The day I took the report to Claremont police station after they talked me out of laying charges, I agreed with that but I pointed out the taxi driving episode because that really niggled me and I said, "You must at least report that to Macro Task Force," the group set up to investigate the Claremont serial killer.

So Macro Task Force did send two officers around but I felt they weren't particularly interested. It seemed to be a very perfunctory interview. They weren't interested in the taxi driving. They focused really on whether he'd given me any jewellery.

(Excerpt from "Australian Story" - February 2004)

SUPERINTENDENT DAVID CAPORN, HEAD MACRO TASK FORCE: I think one of the very tangible ways that this crime could be solved is in the tracing of the particularly significant items of jewellery that are missing in relation to this case.
POLICE RE-ENACTMENT VIDEO – 1997: Ciara has a silver watch and silver earrings - two in the left ear, one in the right - and had a distinctive Claddagh brooch pinned to her jacket.

(End of excerpt)

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: He hadn't really given me any jewellery, but significantly he was always dealing in jewellery at Cash Converters, buying and selling jewellery, just like he was always at car yards buying and selling cars.

WOMAN (spoken by actor): He stole jewellery from all the girls he went with. It was like he had to have a trophy of them. I even found a brooch of mine once which I hadn't even missed. And he had knives. He had a real obsession with knives and they were hidden all over the place too.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: I'll never understand it. I reflect, I dig deep, I look at myself and I think, how could I? How could I fall for him in the first place? How could I believe the lies to start? How could I keep believing his lies? How could I allow myself to be so terrorised, so controlled, so manipulated? In thinking about it, perhaps I had lost some self esteem. I'd given up my job. I wasn't a person with status working for a premier anymore. I was just a nobody writing a book, writing a book that might never get anywhere, might never be published.

CAPTION:
October 1998
Estelle Blackburn completed her six year investigation into serial killer Eric Edgar Cooke, who was hanged in 1964. 
Her work resulted in fresh appeals and ultimately the exoneration of two men wrongly convicted of crimes now linked to Cooke.

TOM PERCY, QC: Knowing what I know now, I'm even more full with admiration for what she did in creating this work. It's a masterly work and to have been done in circumstances of such great, enormous, personal difficulty and dare I say it, terror, just fills me with the deepest admiration for her and casts the book for me, and the job she did subsequent to it in running those appeals, in an entirely different light.

CAPTION:
By 2000, Blackburn says she was personally well clear of her ex-boyfriend but she was receiving calls from other women.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: Two girls after me his violence escalated terribly.

CAPTION:
January 2000
Blackburn's ex-boyfriend was charged with 'threatening to kill'. He was bailed on condition of no contact with his victim.
Blackburn's ex-boyfriend made 960 phone calls and stalked his victim.
May 2000
He was arrested and charged again.
This time he was denied bail. 
The woman's name has been suppressed by court order.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: She bravely stood up to him. She had him charged. He was in prison for various offences against her. He went to a fellow prisoner offering him $10,000 plus her jewellery to organise a hit man against her. The prisoner went to the authorities and he was duly charged with that and given a longer sentence.

PAUL WILSON, CRIMINOLOGIST AND FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: If you look at this guy's criminal record, then it's horrific. It's full of cases of threatening to kill, violence, stalking. I notice that a psychological report says that this man has an escalating pattern of violent offending which targets women. Most importantly the report says he shows, he has shown no remorse or empathy for his victims, but instead sees himself as a victim. This is a very, very scary offender who uses a great amount of violence and who escalates the amount of violence. He is one of the worst types of domestic violence offenders.

CAPTION:
February 2002

(Excerpt from "7:30 Report" - ABC TV - February 2002): 

CHIEF JUSTICE: ... that the verdict must be regarded as unsafe and unsatisfactory on the grounds … 

REPORTER: Forty years coming, this day is the one John Button has dreamed of.

CHIEF JUSTICE: ... On the ground that there has been a miscarriage of justice ...

REPORTER: His name cleared of the crime he did not commit, not until Perth journalist Estelle Blackburn began to reinvestigate his case 10 years ago, did his life change.

(End of excerpt)

TOM PERCY, QC: I feel sad for Estelle in a lot of ways. The enormous loss that she sustained as a result of trying to right these wrongs - personal, financial and so forth, but, it's won nearly every award that it possibly could in its category.

(Excerpt from Walkley Awards 2001, SBS Television): 

PRESENTER: The story and the manner in which she pursued it is truly inspiring journalism.

(End of excerpt)


(Excerpt from ABC News - June 2002):
REPORTER: Investigative journalist, Estelle Blackburn, received an Order of Australia Medal for a successful 10-year crusade to clear the name of convicted killer, John Button.

TOM PERCY, QC: The import and the impact that book has had into legal life and into society in general in Western Australia over the past 10 years since it was published is really hard to overestimate.

(Excerpt from "Dimensions" - ABC TV - May 2003): 

GEORGE NEGUS: Did you narrow your life down to this one thing?

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: Pretty well did. There were times that other things got in the way.
(End of excerpt)



CAPTION:

2004
Blackburn was commissioned to write a further book about her landmark investigation into the crimes of Eric Edgar Cooke. 
At the same time she was offered a PhD scholarship at Perth's Murdoch University.

GAIL PHILLIPS, PHD SUPERVISOR: We were very interested in exploring the capacity for journalists to actually come on board and do research into their craft, and on that basis we put together a doctoral project that involved her writing of the book and her also reflecting on some of the journalistic issues that the writing process raised for her. We were having our usual sort of PhD meetings and we were talking about the draft of her book and there were certain things that she was alluding to in relation to some kind of violence in her own history. And we started probing about that and realised that there was a whole other story here about what had happened.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN (to Gail Phillips): And it does mean I have to open it all up again and who knows what reaction that he will have as well.

GAIL PHILLIPS, PHD SUPERVISOR: We got into very emotional territory, it was very confronting for her, there were tears all around the table as we realised, you know, the gravity of some of the things that she was talking about.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN (to Gail Phillips): I'm going to have to have a good old think about myself and how naked I get I suppose.

GAIL PHILLIPS, PHD SUPERVISOR (to Estelle Blackburn): Well you may very well find that the process of writing actually does reveal things about you and your life that tell you about yourself and why you've been so dedicated to a particular cause ...

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: They said, this is such an important part of your journey of writing the book. The fact that it helped me understand and empathise more with Cooke's victims, the terror they felt. I was ringing women thirty years later, out of the blue, asking them to re-live a terrible time in their lives, a terrible trauma - when Cooke attacked them in their bed, when Cooke drove at them, trying to kill them by running them down. And the irony of it is, I'm now having to do the same.

GAIL PHILLIPS, PHD SUPERVISOR: It was the only way the story could be told. It would ring false otherwise. So if she was determined to go along with it, she had to go the whole way.

LYN MUTTON, FRIEND AND PSYCHOLOGIST: I was absolutely bowled over when she told me. She didn't reveal anything to any of us and I was just devastated that I hadn't been there for her, that I hadn't known anything about it.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN (to Lyn Mutton in coffee shop): ... so I never did anything wrong, but it was always just made up ... on egg shells the whole time. I could never relax ...

LYN MUTTON, FRIEND AND PSYCHOLOGIST (to Estelle Blackburn in coffee shop): So you end up shrinking into this real tiny, scared little mouse that can't be yourself in any way and that finally affects your self esteem and your confidence. You do change enormously and of course that gives them more power over you.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN (to Lyn Mutton in coffee shop): Oh Lyn, why didn't I talk to you at the time? My own personal psychologist, best buddy ...

LYN MUTTON, FRIEND AND PSYCHOLOGIST: When she did tell me the first time it was very emotional. I cried, just couldn't believe it. I couldn't stop saying I'm sorry. Loved her even more for it, that she was capable and had been able to continue everything she'd done through all of that nightmare.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: I finally felt brave enough to write it in my book because it was so essential, but at that time thought I was at least safe from him because his sentence had him in prison until 2009. And then I was shocked last year to find that he'd gained parole. He was out before my book would be out. I was rather frightened, but it took just a month or so for him to break parole. He broke the restraining order against the woman that put him in. Within a month he was back in prison. I was writing my memoirs and looking through my diary, what triggered my memory on the Tuesday night, the Tuesday the 23rd I'd gone to "Tap Dogs". So I went out that night without him, with some girlfriends to this fabulous dancing show and the next night I went to the Hyde Park where he and I used to dance, but I wasn't there for him dancing. I was there for a very significant book event so he was sidelined. So I remembered very much that week how he'd been very angry over those two events. But with his fury he just sort of stormed out, just disappeared, drove off from my flat, drove of in his car -disappeared. It really sent a shiver down my spine realising absolutely that, that weekend when he'd disappeared, when I had no clue where he was or what he was doing, was the weekend that Sarah Spiers disappeared. That really got me worried. So I checked the date that Jane Rimmer disappeared. I went immediately to my diary and my God, it was just the same. He had disappeared that weekend as well.

WOMAN (spoken by actor): He was determined he would get me. I was a mess. I was in fear to the point where I thought I'd take my own life. But I'd rather take my own life than die at his hands. I always knew he was going to kill me. I have no idea whether or not he had anything to do with the Claremont girls. I'm not saying it's him. How would I know? But I think the police should check it out.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: I looked back at the other murders in Perth and started thinking and wondering. There's only one that the police have linked with the Claremont killer - that's Julie Cutler who went missing from the Parmelia Hotel in about '88, '89. And that really freaked me because he often went to the Parmelia Hotel. He went to the late night discos there and he frequented the bars. The police say there's been no more Claremont killings but maybe the Claremont killer has been in prison, and he's been in prison since May 2000. I can't really believe that he could be the Claremont killer. I just couldn't in my heart bring myself to believe it. Yet the niggle is still there. It's 12 years now. They still haven't got the Claremont killer. His violence escalated terribly. They haven't got anybody. His record is there. It's circumstantial evidence and I more than anybody know how terrible it is to convict somebody on circumstantial evidence. Yet it’s just an enduring niggle with me, a concern.

TOM PERCY, QC: I guess what goes against the argument that he is, is that he's generally committed offences within a domestic setting, that is with partners; and generally speaking, and there are exceptions, people with that background who've committed that sort of violence don't go out and become serial killers. On the other hand, given his offending behaviour over a long period of time and the degree of violence and the circumstantial evidence, certainly he would have to be a person of interest as far as the police are concerned.

PAUL WILSON, CRIMINOLOGIST AND FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Whether this guy is the Claremont killer or not there's no doubt he's committed just horrible acts of violence, many of which the police wouldn't be aware of and given just the pattern of violence, forget about the Claremont killings, I think he should be under fairly intense police scrutiny.

TOM PERCY, QC: The issues that this chap had are well documented in the law reports and from what I've read in that regard and what I've seen, I have no doubt that he was one very, very dangerous person.

CAPTION: 
April 2006
After six years in prison, Blackburn's ex-boyfriend was released on parole.
Two months later he was jailed again - for breaching a violence restraining order.
November 2006
He was paroled again … before being jailed again - in June this year - for another breach against yet another woman.
He was expected to serve out the remainder of his sentence until April next year.
But three weeks ago, he was released on parole again…"

MICHAEL MUNTZ, FORMER PARTNER: I think she just lived in fear for a long time. I wished I had known this was going on, but I didn't see Estelle much in those days, you know, I was an ex-boyfriend and indeed, if we'd known this we would have done all we could to get her out of that relationship. I'm a lot closer to Estelle now than I probably ever was when we were living together in a full blown relationship.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: We've been separated over 14 years now, for the same length of time we were together - but we live very close to each other. We are like soul mates - he's now interested in justice as well, we've got to some extent our work in common - and I just think he always will be.

MICHAEL MUNTZ, FORMER PARTNER: She doesn't have to hide it from it anybody any more. We all know it happened now. We all know the full story. At the time she didn't want to tell us the story but we just love her all the more for it and the fact that she survived it is testimony to her courage.

ESTELLE BLACKBURN: I've got to get rid of my shame. I've learnt through my own horrors at how anyone can get caught up in it and how hard it is to break away. I was intelligent. I was able to earn my own living. I could be completely free from him and yet I still submitted. I was still caught in that terror, the shame of domestic violence.

GAIL PHILLIPS, PHD SUPERVISOR: I think it's another kind of crusade. She's basically being the voice of every woman if you like, precisely because she is who she is. Even someone who you would think would be as able to protect herself as she was, found herself in this situation.

LYN MUTTON, FRIEND AND PSYCHOLOGIST: There will be people who will think this is just absolutely beyond all belief and that it can't possibly be true and that she's just using it for her own purposes, but that is absolutely not true. It was an incredibly traumatic and horrendous experience for her that she would well prefer to keep hidden but she's doing it because it needs to be said. She's doing it for everybody out there who needs to know about these things and part of the disbelief is what we need to tackle, and she's doing just that.

END CAPTION: 
The WA Police Special Crime Squad is responsible for the ongoing investigation into the Claremont murders. 
A spokesman has confirmed that concerns raised during tonight's program are now being investigated by the Squad.

 



Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

 

Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)

Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page39&s=a3bffacaf27cdadd1124a097b6ff2b5a

04-10-2015- Sutton

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

Also on Trove (but not viewable online) is this interesting publication. As discussed up thread, it has been suggested that Sarah worked at BSD Consulting. BSD completed a review of the taxi industry in Perth in 1999. 

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And you can read another article, Are you a killer, asks police quiz here, along with an explanation of Deception Detection:
http://www.lsiscan.com/id38.htm

Last edited by bessie; 10-12-2015 at 07:11 AM. Reason: no link, no post

04-10-2015- MyLeftFoot

Originally Posted by Sutton

Also on Trove (but not viewable online) is this interesting publication. As discussed up thread, it has been suggested that Sarah worked at BSD Consulting. BSD completed a review of the taxi industry in Perth in 1999. 
Attachment 82519

And you can read another article, Are you a killer, asks police quiz here, along with an explanation of Deception Detection:
http://www.lsiscan.com/id38.htm

No doubt about you. That's excellent...keep going!

04-10-2015- Parkie 

Re The CSk

I keep telling plod they need to investigate all taxi drivers who left the Industry in 1997. Especially Italian drivers. Yet I am shot down in flames by Cuddy Dankers who cannot see what I am pointing too. Includes the SCS & others in the police service who watch this blog. Well ask the SCS who they recon is the guy in the Conti video?

Well I`m trying to find the post elsewhere, not on Big Footy either where a woman said the csk tried to fake an English accent but he was from Europe. Re the guy in the video, Well I don`t recon he is here at all. And I don`t think plod have a clue. They are most likely working on some faint dna atm.

04-10-2015- Fortune Cookie

 Originally Posted by Sutton

Does anyone think this could be related?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+WILL......-a084858913

I find it even more interesting that I have found several articles about this attack, but not a single image of the artist's impression of the attacker. I have read the articles and I feel it is highly likely that they are somehow related. But why can't I find any images of the 'attackers' face?

05-10-2015 Sutton

 Originally Posted by MyLeftFoot
Independent review of WA taxi industry announced


https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...announced.aspx

Taxi Industry Review BSD Consultants


http://rac.com.au/cs/groups/public/d...cstg058159.pdf

So, if Sarah worked at BSD, is this just a coincidence they contracted the taxi review? I can't see any way it would fit, other than coincidence.

05-10-2015 Sutton

Originally Posted by Parkie

Well I`m trying to find the post elsewhere, not on Big Footy either where a woman said the csk tried to fake an English accent but he was from Europe. Re the guy in the video, Well I don`t recon he is here at all. And I don`t think plod have a clue. They are most likely working on some faint dna atm.

The only comment I can find (outside of BF) is here: http://wildchild1962.hubpages.com/hu...comment3246976
I would love to see the comment you referenced.

05-10-2015 Sutton

Originally Posted by Fortune Cookie

I find it even more interesting that I have found several articles about this attack, but not a single image of the artist's impression of the attacker. I have read the articles and I feel it is highly likely that they are somehow related. But why can't I find any images of the 'attackers' face?

Frustrating!! The photofit is likely in The Mirror archives and the West Australian archives. The Mirror is £9.95 for 48 hours. I might sign up for that in the near future. The West is still on microfilm for 2002, so the only access is at the state library.

Still, it should be online somewhere...

The article from our posts says the attacker had a ponytail. Does that apply to any of our known POIs? Also,
this article says the girl was walking on Palmerston St. Is this considered a safe area? 
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/man-a...ralia-1.420218

05-10-2015 Parkie 

Originally Posted by Sutton

The only comment I can find (outside of BF) is here: http://wildchild1962.hubpages.com/hu...comment3246976

I would love to see the comment you referenced.

I have seen this. But it is not me who posted a comment there. I never knew who SD was till more recently. I have said that b4.That wildchild link is not what I am after. I think the lady mentioned it on You Tube in a reply. Mentioned a guy trying to put on an English accent. I will find it but have not the time right now. BTW the JR footage, well he has a pony tail showing. Did you all not see that? I did.

08-10-2015 Parkie 

Another change of the dynamics of the Deckchairs of the Titanic as of 5 days ago. The Captain of the polished ship way back originally had ideas.. Col that is. A bloke in Highgate with a plastic lined boot Col & team spotted, Fork in hell. Then the next in line was so focused he disregarded Cols theories & focused on a bloke going around in circles. The Cops eventually pointed their Heckler & kosh machine guns at their suspect when they had no other suspect. Ok, leaks to the media ensued. Chief suspect bolted down the hatches & waited. The Chief then fugged off to put out spot fires elsewhere that ensued... Then we had a good bloke,a damn good bloke, looking at the case along with his team. Probably the best who looked into it I`d say. Limited evidence of course. Links tentacled into several other murder cases of females in Perth came about after. But where did this end? Ok, some may say that slight DNA that might link to someone who tried on a dress in Claremont before the final buyer bought the dress... Was the CSK a party goer?, Did he have a ponytail? You really have to look at the Suburb & who could/ would have done this. Plus did he have a place nearby in the suburb or near that? Was he a Taxi Driver? Did he shove off when DNA as going to be asked? Was Dixie really in Claremont cooking up a dish & then doing what he did with Sally Anne Bowman et al repeated? I am putting this out as I am not happy at all with the Changing of the guard at the Special Crime Squad as of the last few days. The SCS lost a good bloke and IMHO That is where it will end at 19 years & 9 months.

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

Here's the link regarding Jim Stanbury being taken off the case:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...off-cold-case/

My initial thoughts:
You wouldn't remove the head of the taskforce if a breakthrough was imminent. Meaning, nothing is happening. Lot's of investigation and follow up. No real belief results are on the near horizon.
So what reason is there NOT to have a coronial inquest? I had the impression police were arguing they were close to a break-through so a coronial inquest shouldn't be held?
Bring on the coronial inquest please.

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Sutton

he post about the CSK was made on April 5 or 6, 2013. Mel's link should direct you to the correct post.
The comment is one of the last comments made under the post. It shows up as July 2 or 3 (as of right now it is the third to last comment).

I've looked but can't find it. Can someone be more specific please. I've searched Dixie's name as well as the dates and can't find the comment. Can someone poster the user's name perhaps?

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by Sutton

Does anyone remember hearing any details from/about the bouncer? Not suggesting he's guilty or anything. Was his name Thor? Did he have long blonde hair or hair permed into an afro?

I just read a long, convoluted story and was curious. 

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.as...urnames.wilson

I don't recall a bouncer with a blonde perm called Thor. The only bouncer I recall is the head bouncer who from memory had an Asian background.
Anyone else who used to go to Club have any recollection of a mullet-laden demi-God called Thor?

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Sutton

Frustrating!! The photofit is likely in The Mirror archives and the West Australian archives. The Mirror is £9.95 for 48 hours. I might sign up for that in the near future. The West is still on microfilm for 2002, so the only access is at the state library.

Still, it should be online somewhere...

The article from our posts says the attacker had a ponytail. Does that apply to any of our known POIs? Also,
this article says the girl was walking on Palmerston St. Is this considered a safe area? 
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/man-a...ralia-1.420218

Also missing from Palmerston St is Lisa Brown:

http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/mis...0jane%20-%20wa

It's an area where street hookers abound, and the same area Con Bayens was running his taskforce on street prostitution and came across the guy with the plastic lined boot and abduction kit.
I think Donald Morey had a P-banger and my favourite for plastic lined boot man.

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by Parkie

Ok, some may say that slight DNA that might link to someone who tried on a dress in Claremont before the final buyer bought the dress... Was the CSK a party goer?, Did he have a ponytail?

I have never heard this before. Do you have some type of source?

One of the biggest problems with this case from an armchair detective views is misinformation. Posters who plant theories as fact which then get picked up by other posters at a later date and before we know it, there's untruths added to the mix.

I personally, as well as some other poster have spent time verifying everything as fact (JR went to HSHS), fiction (there is no evidence the girls were drugged), not yet known (SS worked at BSD), or theory (The CSK had a taxi).

Please make an effort to specify where you got your information from.

 

 

 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page40

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

 

9-10-2015- Sutton

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

I've looked but can't find it. Can someone be more specific please. I've searched MD's name as well as the dates and can't find the comment. Can someone poster the user's name perhaps?

Oops. I posted July 2 or 3. It's actually June 2 or 3 (depending on your time zone, I think). His initials are CS. Still third to last comment.

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Last edited by bessie; 10-12-2015 at 07:10 AMReason: Snipped link to FB page - TOS violation. Individual is not a named suspect.

 

9-10-2015- Sutton

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

Also missing from Palmerston St is Lisa Brown:

http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/mis...0jane%20-%20wa

It's an area where street hookers abound, and the same area Con Bayens was running his taskforce on street prostitution and came across the guy with the plastic lined boot and abduction kit.
I think Donald Morey had a P-banger and my favourite for plastic lined boot man.

 

BBM. Good observation.

Summary of assaults/disappearances possibly committed by Donald Morey (thus unrelated to the CSK): 

Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)
Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing 
(last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)
Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)
Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)
Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

 

 

10-10-2015- Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Sutton

Oops. I posted July 2 or 3. It's actually June 2 or 3 (depending on your time zone, I think). His initials are CS. Still third to last comment.

Here's Mel1303's link again:
https://m.facebook.com/PerthThievesC...51295611706618

A guy says he is sure MD aka ST was working as a chef at The Cott at the time of SS disappearance. 
I strongly believe he is mistaken. MD was ruled out and it wouldn't have been through DNA. I've read that police believe he wasn't in Perth for SS and can only assume that is the basis for him being ruled out. MD's penchant for disorganised attacks is also the complete opposite of the CSK's MO.

Last edited by bessie; 10-12-2015 at 07:07 AM. Reason: snipped quoted post, and name of person who is not a suspect. Ya know, TOS.

 

10-10-2015- JMC44

Man killed himself, allegedly left a suicide note confessing to certain crimes. Police have looked into links between him and the Claremont murders, but have not found any so far. Article: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-1...r-case/6843802

 

11-10-2015- Parkie 

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

I have never heard this before. Do you have some type of source?
One of the biggest problems with this case from an armchair detective views is misinformation. Posters who plant theories as fact which then get picked up by other posters at a later date and before we know it, there's untruths added to the mix.
I personally, as well as some other poster have spent time verifying everything as fact (JR went to HSHS), fiction (there is no evidence the girls were drugged), not yet known (SS worked at BSD), or theory (The CSK had a taxi).
Please make an effort to specify where you got your information from.

Look the Dress being tried on by another lady is nothing. All I was alluding to is a lady might have tried one on before say a victim bought it. It was nothing & hinting at nothing.Ie; DNA at site could be of anyone. 

So Richard Dorrough as per the front page of the West Australian, admitted to murdering Sarah Davey in Broome. Also admitted to murdering Rachael Campbell, a street worker in Syd. Richard was a navy guy, and was on shore leave in Broome when Ms Davy disappeared. Lived all over the country & also New Zealand. He was questioned re Rachaels death & said he was just a paying guy like any other. He was let off.

12-10-2015-north_west

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

I don't recall a bouncer with a blonde perm called Thor. The only bouncer I recall is the head bouncer who from memory had an Asian background.
Anyone else who used to go to Club have any recollection of a mullet-laden demi-God called Thor?

I don't recall a Thor. I do recall the bouncer you described (CL).

 

12-10-2015-Sutton 

A while back, enzeder sent me a link to this article. It's old, so most of you have probably read it, but it has some interesting details. 
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/fa...-free-1.149685
This article is on the same website and is from 1997:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish...killer-1.58756
I haven't seen either of these articles "discussed" anywhere, but they probably were at some point. Maybe I will go through the BF thread to find obscure articles...

12-10-2015-Bartholemeus

From the first article:

A member of the Macro Taskforce said last week that the suspect, a 42-year-old civil servant, was driving home from work to his parents' house as we spoke. "He is a quiet, introverted, insignificant member of the community and the person we strongly believe is the Claremont serial killer," he said. The vital evidence they need for a conviction is proving elusive, however.
My understanding is that the case against LW was extremely compelling but they just didn't have the smoking gun. Jim Stanbury seems to have been busy behind the scenes for the last 7 years chasing down every alternative theory and come up with nothing.
The fact that the murders stopped after LW was identified by police just adds to the compelling case against him.
I think people have blinkers on if they don't don't think LW is a very strong suspect.

 

12-10-2015-billywhizz 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1111114984236

13-10-2015-Bartholemeus

So was Stanbury looking out for Caporn or was he just toeing the company line as to not burn bridges? I'm ruling out incompetence.
Standard police culture - look after each other at all costs and never admit to any mistakes. Ever.

13-10-2015-billywhizz 

 Originally Posted by Sutton

A while back, enzeder sent me a link to this article. It's old, so most of you have probably read it, but it has some interesting details. 
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/fa...-free-1.149685

I haven't seen either of these articles "discussed" anywhere, but they probably were at some point. Maybe I will go through the BF thread to find obscure articles...

Sutton - there is a paragraph in one of the articles you quoted:
Denis Glennon sits in the boardroom of Western Australian Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) where he has just finished a board meeting. As managing director of Environmental Solutions International, a waste processing and disposal company, he was recently appointed to the board of the EPA.
Is that the same board that the creeper from Noel Coward's wake video sat on? The one that tasked Noel with doing his job basically (ie reducing pollution in Cockburn Sound)?

13-10-2015-enzeder 

Originally Posted by Sutton

A while back, enzeder sent me a link to this article. It's old, so most of you have probably read it, but it has some interesting details. 
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/fa...-free-1.149685

This article is on the same website and is from 1997:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish...killer-1.58756

I haven't seen either of these articles "discussed" anywhere, but they probably were at some point. Maybe I will go through the BF thread to find obscure articles...

Thanks Sutton - Also, this has probably been posted before but I hadn't read it until recently. The guy with the plastic lined boot is up there on my list of suspects despite what they said in their response to 'Sunday Night'. Judoman is my #1 suspect though.

Sunday Night received this response from WA Police regarding Con Bayen's evidence, which he claims was disregarded by the Macro Taskforce:

May 31, 2015: 
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-nig...investigation/

 

13-10-2015-billywhizz 

 

OK.. I have a couple of holes in the story of LW the expert stalker.

SS left Club Bay View, walked to telephone booth. Most likely down St Quentin Ave
Men in car at lights saw a car come from under the underpass on Stirling Road, which means that car was either on Shenton Road or Claremont crescent previously.
So LW nowhere near SS and unable to stalk her.
JR left Claremont Hotel, walked to Club Bay View, then back to Claremont hotel and waited outside. St Quentin Ave is one way street (so how would LW have stalked her once she had decide to go back to Claremont hotel?). He would be down the end of the Quentin Ave (unable to turn around) and have no idea they'd even returned to Claremont hotel and separated as a group.
CG walking down Stirling Hwy. Stalking along Stirling Hwy would surely be noticed? Would have taken her max 5mins, and if stalking, depending on the way she took, you'd probably have to drive over a median strip to make it onto the other side of the road?
If him, it seems like there was hardly any 'stalking' involved. I think latest blitz attack article is more likely than 'stalking'.
If he was caught in a sting trawling slowly after girls, why did he change his MO from the first three victims where it seems much more likely that the CSK happened upon them, rather than following them for an extensive period of time.

 

13-10-2015-Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by enzeder

Thanks Sutton - Also, this has probably been posted before but I hadn't read it until recently. The guy with the plastic lined boot is up there on my list of suspects despite what they said in their response to 'Sunday Night'. Judoman is my #1 suspect though.
Sunday Night received this response from WA Police regarding Con Bayen's evidence, which he claims was disregarded by the Macro Taskforce:

May 31, 2015: 
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-nig...investigation/

Police: We got the information and investigated it.

Bayens: I deny that Police ever told me the findings

Barts: Police never claimed they provided CB with a follow up. They simply said they investigated it.

Hard to know who to believe but suffice to say, CB would have seen a lot of incompetence, agenda following and corruption during his time so it's no surprise that he believes they never followed it up.

13-10-2015-Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by billywhizz 

OK.. I have a couple of holes in the story of LW the expert stalker.

SS left Club Bay View, walked to telephone booth. Most likely down St Quentin Ave
Men in car at lights saw a car come from under the underpass on Stirling Road, which means that car was either on Shenton Road or Claremont crescent previously.
So LW nowhere near SS and unable to stalk her.
JR left Claremont Hotel, walked to Club Bay View, then back to Claremont hotel and waited outside. St Quentin Ave is one way street (so how would LW have stalked her once she had decide to go back to Claremont hotel?). He would be down the end of the Quentin Ave (unable to turn around) and have no idea they'd even returned to Claremont hotel and separated as a group.
CG walking down Stirling Hwy. Stalking along Stirling Hwy would surely be noticed? Would have taken her max 5mins, and if stalking, depending on the way she took, you'd probably have to drive over a median strip to make it onto the other side of the road?
If him, it seems like there was hardly any 'stalking' involved. I think latest blitz attack article is more likely than 'stalking'.
If he was caught in a sting trawling slowly after girls, why did he change his MO from the first three victims where it seems much more likely that the CSK happened upon them, rather than following them for an extensive period of time.

Who said he had to stalk them? He was an expert stalker (I could say allegedly but it's highly likely it's true) but it's hardly a stretch for him to stalk when he's not killing and lie in wait or do laps until he came across an isolated target.
With SS the CSK most likely did one of two things, a) wait in his car on Stirling Rd for a girl to appear at the phone box, or b) do laps of the Claremont perimeter look for opportunities. Keep in mind if he sat in his car facing south then the phone box is on the other side of the road so the lap theory is more plausible.
It's not a stretch for LW to stalk women 2 nights per week by watching and following but when it comes to the murders he refined his strategy because he was doing something different.
I don't see this any more a flaw as the numerous flaws in each POI's situation.
To me the biggest flaw in LW theory is the living witness theory. For him to be the CSK he must have approached each victim by car (blitz attack possible) and convinced them to get in the car. To my knowledge there is not one woman who came forward and said "one night I was waiting for a cab and LW approached me and offered me a lift but I declined". That means LW had to have a 100% success ratio.
That is, without a doubt, the biggest flaw in the case against LW.

 



Murder in Clarement Mental Hospital- TheFacts Romuald (Ronald) Zak aged 24 His dead body was found by a witness at 2pm on 24/05/1997.

Romuald (Ronald) Zak aged 24
"WAPOL bungled this whole thing, in their usual fashion..."

http://http://murderinhospital.com/story.html.com/story.html

His dead body was found by a witness at 2pm on 24/05/1997.

It is interesting to note that the hospital only contacted the family to report that Ronald was missing and there was no other report to indicate that the Police were called to report a missing person or patient.

He was last seen when he was interviewed by two doctors on 22nd May 1997. What really happened to him after that interview, to this day still remains an unsolved mystery. His death is also a mystery.

His family desperately pleads for help and more evidence from any witnesses and more supporting independent opinion from honest forensic experts.

Romuald’s (Ronald’s) dead body was found on 24th May 1997 at 2pm by two dogs with their owner, but she did not make a report to the Police but she told another person that she saw a young man’s dead body. A second person was a woman security guard and she found Ronald Zak’s dead body on 27th May 1997 at 7.35 am, but she also did not report her find to the Police. A third person who found Romuald (Ronald) Zak’s dead body was a contractor employee on 27th May 1997 at 9.30 am and he did report his find to the Police, but the Police never interviewed him. He made his one report from the scene.

One very important eye witness was another contractor employee who on 22nd May 1997 at 2pm saw a suspicious male person standing upright under the tree. This person was standing still and facing away from him, approximately 2 m. away. The person was not slouched, bent over, nor was he collapsed at the knees or similar. He did not see anything unusual and the person was not slumped as would be expected if he was hanging from a tree branch.

The employee had supplied full details that this suspicious person was wearing a black security jacket and black trousers. This witness was never interviewed by Police or called into Court. He made an interview and affidavit and gave it to the family. It is a very conflicting finding from the Coroner about dead Romuald ( Ronald ) Zak on 21st May 1997 , between 1pm and 2pm, despite all evidence from witnesses and reports.

We have already received some second opinion from famous specialists and we received from newspapers an e-mail copy from a witness called “ SILENCE “ . Eye witness “ SILENCE “ is a very important witness from the scene of the crime at the time when Romuald( Ronald )had passed away. His evidence is most important and it strongly supports the view that Romuald (Ronald) had been raped and murdered.

“ SILENCE “, saying……

Second independent opinions from famous specialists:

Sheriff Coroner – Marshal from USA

Centre for Forensic Science at the University of Western Australia CSI

New Scotland Yard

For of UK forensic pathologists

Professor and head of Department of Anatomical Science and Forensic Anthropologist

UK National Injuries Database Referral

Other reports:

Two Western Australian Police Officers Action report from the scene

WA Funeral Director on the dead bodies’ condition report at collecting time from mortuary

Statement from gardener

Security Incident Report body found

Forensic Pathologist WA Cadden Post Mortem Report

Above is the evidence that we have. We also have a list of witnesses which had never testified in the Coroner Court.

We are Romuald’s (Ronald’s) family in desperate need for witnesses to come forward and help us expose our son’s Mystery murder, the unknown darkness. To reopen the case and major crime investigation we need more evidence and support from Silence and independent forensic pathologists. Please!

We need your help, not your name

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

Chemical analysis report confirms that in Romuald’s blood there was Temazepan , a sleep inducing medication. This medication was given to Romuald by the medical staff either in tablets or in injections between 20.00 hours or later, during his stay in hospital. Romualds body was dressed in a white T-shirt opened by 3 buttons, which was part of the male uniform of the carers in the closed ward of the hospital. An oversized blue blazer on Romulad was recognized on the photograph by us and by his female friend who worked in this hospital, that the blazer was the property of an unidentified person.

Romuald’s dead body was placed in the grass on a steeply sloping ground under a tree, of which a small branch, before it was cut, hung 10cm above his chest and around his neck was wound a clean, white shoelace from man’s sports shoes.

The mystery of the cutting of one branch from that tree has not been explained to this day, who and why did anyone cut off a very important piece of criminal evidence. A detective certified in the Coroner’s Court that it was the gardener who cut off the branch. The gardener testified in the Coroner’s Court that he never cut off, before or after Romuald’s death, any branches from any trees because the scope of his duties was only to cut grass. The matter of the mysterious cutting of the branch above the body has not been clarified to this day, who and why it was cut. There never were any samples from the body, clothes, shoelace or gold chain taken for laboratory testing. Court evidence such as the white shoelace from male sports shoes, the gold chain with blood stains, clothing and shoes were all destroyed in the mortuary before they could be sent to the court laboratory for testing.

The pathologist and the detective who were engaged to clarify the case of how and on which branch Romuald hung himself, personally stated that they don’t know how he did it, but he did it they told. A DVD recorded during the time a reconstruction of the hanging scene , based on the pathologist’s autopsy report , confirms a physical phenomenon , that a dead body , after falling from the hight at which the branch was, would never be able to fall into a position at which Romuald’s body was found. Court evidence confirms that a problem which the pathologist and the detective were not able to solve was their inability to confirm whether there was one white shoelace from men’s sports shoes , or two white shoelaces from man’s shoes , or a string form Romuald’s sports trousers around Romuald’s neck. Because there was no examination done as required by regulations in force, the most important evidence which would establish the cause of death was deliberately destroyed and never presented in the Coroner’s Court.

 We, the parents, are defending and will always defend the dignity of our son, because we do not want him portrayed as someone that he was not. Romuald was in deep depression after he found out that his childhood sweetheart got engaged to a much older, divorced man. For three years Romuald took out a restraining order against her, she was aggressive and morbidly jealous, but in spite of all that he loved her very much and waited and believed that one day they will be together again. Romuald personally reported to the hospital asking for specialist help how to live with his pain and his depression after he lost his girl, but he never received any professional help.

Romuald (Ronald) Zak’s chemistry report form Forensic Science Laboratory, presents that there was NO alcohol or any illicit drugs in his body’s system. He had no criminal record with the Police. We have legal access to the Coroner Police forensic photos from the scene where Ronald body was found, and from the autopsy. We can use all the forensic photos and any second opinion to support our case as criminal, and help the police to reopen an investigation into Romuald (Ronald) Zak murder.

Dear witnesses, remember please “HONESTY IS BEST CONFESSION “and you will help our family and our son to stay in “PEACE “for ever.

Romuald (Ronald) Zak (24) found dead under a tree outside Graylands Hospital

http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?19078-Romuald-(Ronald)-Zak-(24)-found-dead-under-a-tree-outside-Graylands-Hospital

This is a pretty intriguing case from 1997 in Perth, Western Australia, I just stumbled across the family website today. 

Romuald's death was ruled a suicide but his mother has been battling to have the case re-opened as a murder investigation and is appealing for information. See the website here (warning: graphic crime scene photos): http://www.romualdzakmurder.com/index.html

Some pretty interesting observations made about the crime scene photos/ COD in the OPINIONS section that basically suggests there is a strong likelihood that this may have been a murder staged to appear to look like a suicide ... so cover up? police incompetence? suicide? unsolved murder?

Interesting connection - Romuald was found dead 6 months after Ciara Glennon (the third victim of the so called 'Claremont Serial Killer'). Romuald used to work with Ciara at the same law firm and would often speak about Ms Glennon after her disappearance/murder, and visit her grave. It has been speculated by some that his death is perhaps connected in some way to these unsolved murders.

Here is a link to a Radio National article with some details regarding Ciara Glennon's case (an interview with Una Glennon - Ciara's mother): 
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/relig/spirit/stories/s401612.htm

FYI: Graylands Hospital is a psychiatric hospital - I have heard some pretty awful first hand accounts of abuse by staff by people who have been admitted there in the past.

Anywho ... from the family website:

Romuald (Ronald) Zak, aged 24, was found dead two days after he was reported missing from his ward at the hospital.

He was last seen on 22nd May 1997 at the interview with doctors. What really happened to him still remains a mystery.

His family desperately pleads for help and more evidence from any witnesses and more supporting independent opinion from honest forensic experts.

To reopen the case and major crime investigation we need more evidence and support from Silence and independent forensic pathologists.

THE FACTS:

His dead body was found by a witness at 2pm on 24/05/1997.

It is interesting to note that the hospital only contacted the family to report that Ronald was missing and there was no other report to indicate that the Police were called to report a missing person or patient.

He was last seen when he was interviewed by two doctors on 22nd May 1997. What really happened to him after that interview, to this day still remains an unsolved mystery. His death is also a mystery.

His family desperately pleads for help and more evidence from any witnesses and more supporting independent opinion from honest forensic experts.

Romuald’s (Ronald’s) dead body was found on 24th May 1997 at 2pm by two dogs with their owner, but she did not make a report to the Police but she told another person that she saw a young man’s dead body. A second person was a woman security guard and she found Ronald Zak’s dead body on 27th May 1997 at 7.35 am, but she also did not report her find to the Police. Athird person who found Romuald (Ronald) Zak’s dead body was a contractor employee on 27th May 1997 at 9.30 am and he did report his find to the Police, but the Police never interviewed him. He made his one report from the scene.

One very important eye witness was another contractor employee who on 22nd May 1997 at 2pm saw a suspicious male person standing upright under the tree. This person was standing still and facing away from him, approximately 2 m. away. The person was not slouched, bent over, nor was he collapsed at the knees or similar. He did not see anything unusual and the person was not slumped as would be expected if he was hanging from a tree branch.

The employee had supplied full details that this suspicious person was wearing a black security jacket and black trousers. This witness was never interviewed by Police or called into Court. He made an interview and affidavit and gave it to the family. It is a very conflicting finding from the Coroner about dead Romuald ( Ronald ) Zak on 21st May 1997 , between 1pm and 2pm, despite all evidence from witnesses and reports.

We have already received some second opinion from famous specialists and we received from newspapers an e-mail copy from a witness called “ SILENCE “ . Eye witness “ SILENCE “ is a very important witness from the scene of the crime at the time when Romuald( Ronald )had passed away. His evidence is most important and it strongly supports the view that Romuald (Ronald) had been raped and murdered.

Re: Romuald (Ronald) Zak (24) found dead under a tree outside Graylands Hospital

Who finds a body and doesn't report it to police?

Re: Romuald (Ronald) Zak (24) found dead under a tree outside Graylands Hospital

I know right. Not just one person failed to report it, two people!  :?

The dog walker in her witness statement says that it was not unusual to see patients laying around the grounds and although she thought it as curious as the time, she didn't stop for closer inspection. 

"My husband returned home about 6PM and I mentioned to him what I had seen.  My initial thoughts were that I thought the person was dead but my husband, who also works at Graylands, told me not to be stupid as patients were always laying around the grounds"

And WTF at the rest of the witness statements.

Still begs the question of why the hospital failed to report him missing to the police immediately ... being an in-patient at a mental health facility and all. You would think they would have some sort of obligation.

This one is totally just wtf. 

Suicide finding defended

Jim Kelly, The Sunday Times- March 28, 200

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/suicide-finding-defended/news-story/a8d2ecfc2f87aa3ade5f0a5135a1a942

WA's major crime squad chief says police did not botch an investigation into a young man's death at Graylands Hospital almost a decade ago.


Giving evidence to a second inquest into the 1997 death of Romuald Zak, Detective Senior-Sergeant Jack Lee said he had reviewed all aspects of the investigation and found it to be "totally satisfactory''.

Police who investigated the death concluded it was a suicide, a finding that was subsequently supported an a coronial inquest.

Giving evidence before Coroner Alastair Hope, Det Snr-Sgt Lee said expert opinions which last year lead the WA Supreme Court order a fresh inquest were based on a misinterpretation of death scene photographs.

He disputed many of the conclusions of former University of WA crime expert and UK homicide investigator Robin Napper, who claims Mr Zak was murdered and his body dumped to make it appear he had hanged himself.

Det Snr-Sgt Lee said international homicide experts whose opinions Mr Napper had sought had supported the murder theory based on misinformation.

Although crucial evidence from the original investigation is missing, Det Snr-Sgt Lee said the fact that detectives and forensic officers were consulted showed the possibilities other than suicide were considered.

"I am unable to find any material fault with the investigation,'' he said. "This was a totally satisfactory investigation.''

Mr Zak, 24, was a patient at Graylands psychiatric hospital when he disappeared in May 1997.

His body was found under a tree within the hospital grounds with a cord wrapped around his neck a week later.

He had been admitted as a voluntary patient after experiencing depression.

The inquest is continuing.

Bizarre suicide of Romuald Zak, parents believe he was murdered

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/2ymijv/bizarre_suicide_of_romuald_zak_parents_believe_he/

In late 90s Perth, WA, the body of 24 year old Romuald Zak was found just outside Greylands Mental Health Facility. It looked like a clear case of suicide by hanging, but certain things didn't add up. Most disturbing is the bizarre letter from an anonymous informant called Silence. This website is still active and run by the parents:

http://hospitalpatientmurder.com/index.html

NB: One thing that really stands out for me, is Zaks connection to two of the girls murdered by the Claremont Serial Killer. He was known to Jane Rimmer and worked at the same law office as Ciara Glennon. He died a few months after Glennons body was discovered.

[–]vulpe_vulpes 77 points 1 year ago 

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Just a warning, that link has a picture of the deceased looking NSFW.

[–]vulpe_vulpes 19 points 1 year ago 

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So the timeline presented on the parents' FACTS page is kinda surprising. Coroner slates time of death between 1 and 2 pm on May 21, 1997. Multiple people encountered his body days later (May 22nd, May 24, May 27) without then filling a police report.

From the site: "Romuald’s (Ronald’s) dead body was found on 24th May 1997 at 2pm by two dogs with their owner, but she did not make a report to the Police but she told another person that she saw a young man’s dead body. A second person was a woman security guard and she found Ronald Zak’s dead body on 27th May 1997 at 7.35 am, but she also did not report her find to the Police. A third person who found Romuald (Ronald) Zak’s dead body was a contractor employee on 27th May 1997 at 9.30 am and he did report his find to the Police, but the Police never interviewed him. He made his one report from the scene.

One very important eye witness was another contractor employee who on 22nd May 1997 at 2pm saw a suspicious male person standing upright under the tree. This person was standing still and facing away from him, approximately 2 m. away. The person was not slouched, bent over, nor was he collapsed at the knees or similar. He did not see anything unusual and the person was not slumped as would be expected if he was hanging from a tree branch.

The employee had supplied full details that this suspicious person was wearing a black security jacket and black trousers. This witness was never interviewed by Police or called into Court. He made an interview and affidavit and gave it to the family. It is a very conflicting finding from the Coroner about dead Romuald ( Ronald ) Zak on 21st May 1997 , between 1pm and 2pm, despite all evidence from witnesses and reports."

I don't exactly get where they are going with the contrary to evidence from witnesses and reports.

[–]softerr-- 33 points 1 year ago 

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This part confused me. Who sees something like that, goes, "oh, that's a dead body" and doesn't call the police? Especially a security guard?? And for that to happen three separate times? I know that's not the weird part of his death, but boy.

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Right? Makes one wonder what exactly is going on in Perth that that would be the response from the first several people. It kinda sounds like it went unreported until it caused an odour.

[–]garglemypiss 3 points 1 year ago 
Perth is a very, very insular and isolated city. It's quite possible that the people responsible were quite well connected, (the area his remains were found in are very affluent,) or that the police wanted to keep it quiet/attempt to catch the killer in some kind of botched attempt at relating this to the CSK.

[–]hectorabaya 15 points 1 year ago 
I was confused about the number of people who saw him and did not call the police too, but if you read the witness statements it makes a little more sense. The pedestrian wasn't close, she just saw him from a distance and noted he was positioned oddly but apparently it's common for patients to lay around outside so she thought she was just being silly. It wasn't until she saw the news reports that she made the connection.
Not sure about the security guard though.

[–]vulpe_vulpes 13 points 1 year ago 
On another page from the site: He was last seen on 22nd May 1997 at the interview with doctors.
Better organization would help with the parents efforts to bring attention to this case. But I'm hooked, OP!

[–]chilari 10 points 1 year ago 
So he was last seen a day after the coroner estimated his death to have happened? Something aint right there.

[–]vulpe_vulpes 10 points 1 year ago 
Correct. Calls the coroner's skills into question or suggests something hinky afoot with the hospital.

[–]bythe 5 points 1 year ago 
Presumably.
A witness submitted an affidavit to the family indicated that they saw the man under the tree but not slumped or hanging. But he didn't mention engaging him in any way.
It says 2 m away which I assume is 2 meters and not 2 miles. That's also surprising. I would surprised he could walk that close to someone and not acknowledge him, even subtly.

[–]chilari 6 points 1 year ago 
I was responding to this:
On another page from the site: He was last seen on 22nd May 1997 at the interview with doctors.
If he was seen at a doctor's interview, then that would, I assume, be a confirmed sighting, face to face with a doctor.

[–]bythe 6 points 1 year ago 
It seems they are trying to establish a timeline of his death. The inclusion of these accounts both calls into question the date of death and indicates when he was there.
If someone think they saw him alive on 5/22 but dead on 5/24 and 5/27, the 5/21 date of death is called into question.

[–]vulpe_vulpes 4 points 1 year ago 
I guess it's just weird to me that no one did anything about that dead body they saw and that he was on the grounds off the hospital where other patients were walking/resting in the grass for so long before the police got involved.

[–]bythe 2 points 1 year ago 
I definitely agree that is very weird. There's no indication on what this would be the case.
He was partially hidden under a tree so I can see how someone might overlook him. But to see him and know he was dead and do nothing is odd? Could they have thought he was alive at that point and only known he was dead until after it was reported?

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[–]vulpe_vulpes 14 points 1 year ago 
So Silence sent that email in March of 2000. Nearly three years after Zak's death. It could be that the "forensic evidence" the parents reference him revealing (calling the body position wrong for lividity at the scene) in their complaint to the authorities simply a product of leaked information in town/gossip. The reference to him being attractive and having nothing to be sad about because of his attractiveness is strange and questionable. The idea that a member/members of staff at the psych hospital had abused Zak sexually, as Silence suggests is one I could entertain. Zak had been abused mentally it seems in the past. He sought out treatment at the hospital for depression stemming from his ex-girlfriend/stalker/girl he had a restraining order against and her engagement to an older man. His family said he was very much still in love with her...this girl he had a restraining order against. Having been someone accustomed to mistreatment, Zak could have been an easy target. Silence could be someone who had inside knowledge of a darker issue within the walls of the hospital, patient or staff.


[–]Vekta86[S] 7 points 1 year ago 
Personally I find it strange that he would be treated at greylands. His depression would have to be quite severe for them to send him there. Generally a person suffering depression would be admitted to D12 at Charlie Gardner or the psych ward at Royal Perth. Greylands is where you go if you have a chronic and severe illness. And not to mention he was a relatively well off individual, would't he have health cover?

[–]vulpe_vulpes 3 points 1 year ago 
His parents said he admitted himself. Not being from the area, is there something to know about the reputation of Greylands?

[–]garglemypiss 6 points 1 year ago 
Graylands is one of the less pleasant mental health facilities in W.A. I've had a friend who spent some time there and I've spent some time at their adolescent unit.

[–]vulpe_vulpes 7 points 1 year ago 

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  • Also thank you for sharing info on what may have been a difficult time in your youth.
  • parent

[–]vulpe_vulpes 3 points 1 year ago 
Do you have any insight on the ability to come and go? In and out of the facility? His being gone without leave without alarm?

[–]Vekta86[S] 5 points 1 year ago 
If you are not on high watch or considered dangerous to yourself or the public, they pretty much let you wander around during the day. You see a lot of patients commuting around the immediate and adjoining suburbs. The area he was found was quite close to the hospital itself.

[–][deleted] 1 point 1 year ago calling the body position wrong for lividity at the scene
That was honestly something I was thinking looking through the forensic photos. I didn't read these comments or the letter until after I had seen them and it still looked funny to me. I mean, I'm no expert and he surely could have fallen a certain way, but the positioning and everything seems bizarre.

[–]vulpe_vulpes 3 points 1 year ago 
Elsewhere online this case comes up as an example about how it's dangerous to make forensic claims from photos alone. I don't know if there was cherrypicking in the request for outside opinions that come from locations scattered around the globe. The fact that a sherriff from my small town in Northern California was included in that pool makes me wonder how many other non-murder concluding opinions they gathered. I don't mean to discredit the professionals who did speak their piece and have years upon years of experience, I just wonder if the photos could be misleading.

[–]vulpe_vulpes 7 points 1 year ago 
I only saw the one as well. "Silence" didn't seem to insinuate that it was murder, contrary to the parents claim, but that it was suicide for reasons they needed to uncover.

[–]vulpe_vulpes 10 points 1 year ago 

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I would be interested to see how they recruited the opinion of Sherriff Ed Bonner, whose findings conflict with the coroner and police in Australia. He is (was? He may have recently retired) the sherriff in my hometown. Upstanding guy. Really weird to see him in this context.

http://hospitalpatientmurder.com/opinion-1.html

[–]unequalized 2 points 1 year ago 

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Hello Auburnite!

[–]ATomatoAmI 9 points 1 year ago 

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Forget the email from Silence, the worst thing is that the local police department did apparently everything wrong. All of the opinions they had disagreed with initial findings, some over obvious oddities or even injuries, and the evidence was all apparently summarily destroyed before it could be reviewed.

[–]Vekta86[S] 11 points 1 year ago 

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The local police department is notorious for getting things wrong, too the point that 7 of WA's most high profile murder cases have been quashed because of their ineptitude and inability to see the bigger picture.

[–]Damper-Aussiebred 11 points 1 year ago 

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Both cases are very interesting and the links seem more than coincidental, especially his death so soon afterwards.

After reading into this more, and after watching the cctv footage showing Ciara Glennons the last time she was seen, the person she greets does look a lot like what Romuald would look like from behind. Same build, haircut (including the longer flicked fringe), and for her to greet the person when she did not interact with any others on a busy street obviously meant she knew him. From her reaction, it appeared to be someone she knew well. This person was never indentified, every other person in the footage was. If he was dead (by the time the footage was released iirc?) he could not come forward and didn't appear to have anyone with him who could have otherwise indentified him.

It would be interesting to find out when he cut his hair (it was very short when he died from reports and photos) and why? No disrespect to him or his family, but I am sure that these cases are tied and whoever is responsible for his death knows why.

The coroners report went against expert opinion and common sense, and the investigation comes across badly done. Could he have seen or known something and being too scared to say anything (cop theory), become depressed and wrongly decided he might be safe in hospital? Could he have been the killer and confessed in the session with the dr thinking he was safe with confidentiality and a couple of people decided to do something about it, covering it as suicide and police went along with it for whatever reason?

Whatever else, this man did not take his own life. The hospital should be held accountable for not reporting him as missing and his case re- investigated. Hopefully by doing this, his family, and possibly the families of the woman will finally receive some closure.

[–]Vekta86[S] 10 points 1 year ago 
Just a correction, the CCTV footage was of Jane Rimmer, who Romuald also knew. But the rest of your analysis is solid, I have always wondered what connection between the two is. I also find it interesting that he was stalked/mentally abused by his ex girlfriend. Other people have claimed that a manipulative woman was involved in the Claremont Killings, I wonder if this has any relation?

[–]vulpe_vulpes 2 points 1 year ago 
Ooh, can you expand more on that theory? I've seen some theories that involve an accomplice. That would be quite a twist!

[–]garglemypiss 2 points 1 year ago 
I think the connection between the two is a coincidence. Given how small and insular Perth is.

[–][deleted] 7 points 1 year ago 

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I think it's pretty obvious this was a homicide. Do you think that someone assumed he was the serial killer and took it upon himself to 'take care of it?' I do find it interesting that he knew two of the murdered girls, and the murders seemed to have stopped once he was deceased. Also is there more information about his girlfriend, and why did they think a female was involved in the murders. Maybe he was going to release information regarding his ex girlfriend?

[–]Vekta86[S] 2 points 1 year ago 
The female theory has been put forward by several posters on a few of the more recent CSK forums. One poster claims to have a suspect who he thinks was a notorious taxi driver at the time and he believes this taxi driver was working with a woman he knew. He said that this woman was extremely manipulative and beautiful, and he felt like she tried to groom him into helping them with something big. A criminal forensics professor also stated at one point that it would have been much easier to lure the girls into a car if there was the presence of an attractive female to put them at ease.

[–]SociallyawkwardNSA 1 point 1 year ago 
Was DNA evidence found of the CSK?

[–]Vekta86[S] 2 points 1 year ago 
The police won't say, but have eliminated persons of interest based on DNA samples, so you'd assume they have

[–][deleted] 2 points 1 year ago 
Was it just me or was his penis cut off?? Or am I not seeing that right? the front of his underwear is all bloody (this is from the scene photos) and then it looks like a stub... too bloody stubs sticking out of his pants?
Am I seeing this right??? If so why is it not mentioned?

[–]thepasttenseofdraw 2 points 1 year ago I don't see the bloody stubs you're talking about, but you're looking at his briefs backwards. I guessing he may have shit his pants.

[–]garglemypiss 1 point 1 year ago 

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I don't think he has a connection to the Claremont Serial Killer or their victims.

[–]Vekta86[S] 3 points 1 year ago 

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I don't know whether or not it's a direct link, but there is probably some kind of link there that goes beyond simply knowing the victims. He left flowers on Glennons grave several times.

[–]daturainoxia 1 point 1 year ago 
Agreed. In any case, he's deceased. Any possible link is now gone.

WAPOL bungled this whole thing, in their usual fashion.




Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3 p.66

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?294568-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-3/page66

Not long before Sarah went missing her sister spent the night on my couch after returning from a night on the town to find herself locked out from our neighbour's (who was a good friend). I was in Claremont with mates on the nights that Sarah and Jane went missing. This one hits very close to home. I can't believe that it remains unsolved.

Brown BottleSep 1, 2013- BigFooty.com.au

What is suggested here on the Big Footy discussion website makes a lot of sense:
There must have been some using a taxi and/or had a police badge
Likely at least two people are involved
Must have had somewhere close by to take them


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-3

I know one of the detective that was part of the investigation and apparently the murders were particularly gruesome. Apparently the bodies were so horribly mutilated that dental records had to be used for identification. He was also saying that they know who it is/was but could not bring all the evidence together to bring it to trial. He said he was frustrated that they are/were so close that all they needed was a little bit more to make it all stick. That's why none of the details (cause of death, potential suspects etc) of the case have ever been released, they are/were that close.

ChampRevesbyDec 30, 2013

Typical WAPOL.vealesyJan 2, 2014

I wonder if he posts on Bigfooty. Kim HagdornJan 2, 2014

ChampRevesby said:

I know one of the detective that was part of the investigation and apparently the murders were particularly gruesome. Apparently the bodies were so horribly mutilated that dental records had to be used for identification. He was also saying that they know who it is/was but could not bring all the evidence together to bring it to trial. He said he was frustrated that they are/were so close that all they needed was a little bit more to make it all stick. That's why none of the details (cause of death, potential suspects etc) of the case have ever been released, they are/were that close.

Did he happen to mention that the suspect was responsible for all of the murders and was one of his colleagues? Ted38Jan 2, 2014

“.…There is a particular piece of passage in one of the ABC transcripts I have included, and that shows clearly where Caporn's leadership led the teams and their investigations, he controlled -- directly into the quagmire. No wonder the socalled reviews (prior to Schramm's) ended up with nothing new ! …”…Papertrail Websleuth …. 9th January, 2016

does anybody have any info on romuald zac as far as i can find out he was found hung on the grounds of graylands hospital ,[ he was a patient], on the 21st may 1997 2 mths after the CSK .ended, He [supposedly] worked with CG, his mother swears he was murdered http://dahois.com/www/ romuald zac murder.com.html

I get 'This webpage is not available' when I click on the link you posted.

It was reported that Romuald worked with Ciara and he knew Jane. But I can't figure out how he knew Jane, when he last saw her, the nature of their relationship, or anything else. 
Imagine working somewhere and one co-worker is killed by a serial killer, and two months later another co-worker dies of a very suspicious suicide.
I did read online Ciara had signed Romuald's good-bye card from the law firm, so he may have been a former employee. The strangeness of this depends on if Romuald died of suicide or homicide.

I think that you are over thinking it. Both JR and CG were decomposed JR more so then CG. I don't care how tough or experienced you are seeing decomposing bodies is never a pleasant experience. Take it from me, there are lots of things I wish I had never seen.

Ramuald Zac
Unsolved Murder victim
Who was murdered 6 months after Ciara Glennon disappeared.
Worked at the same law firm as Ciara Glennon.
Blake Dawson and Waldron


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-3

Claremont Serial Killings

Squibo said:

Always found it odd that nothing came of that CCTV footage of the suspect that was released to the public. While the individual in the footage didn't exactly stand out from the crowd with his appearance, one would like to think that if he was a local or even a resident of WA, that somebody would recognise him. The fact that the individual in question has refused to come forward when apparently? everyone else captured in the footage has come forward to clear their name shouts guilty. One of the graver cases in recent Australian criminal records.

good point

 

northmelbournefcJun 28, 2013

FreoGirl said:

but they did find their bodies

The case began with the disappearance of Sarah Spiers, 18, on 26 January 1996, after she left a nightclub in the centre of Claremont. Her disappearance was described by her friends and family as out of character and attracted massive publicity. Spiers had apparently called a taxi from a phone booth but was not present when the responding vehicle arrived. Her fate remains uncertain.
Some months later, on 9 June 1996, Jane Rimmer, 23, disappeared from the same part of Claremont. Her body was found in bushland near Woolcoot Road, Wellard, in August 1996.[1]
On 14 March 1997, Ciara Glennon, a 27-year-old lawyer, disappeared from the Claremont area. Her body was found on 3 April, near a track in scrub off Pipidinny Road in Eglinton, a northern suburb of Perth.[2] After this murder police confirmed that they were searching for a serial killer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_serial_murders

Huge distance between the two bodies…

OneirosJul 3, 2013

This case interests and saddens me more than any other. As with others who grew up in Perth at the time (I was nine at the time), I'll never forget the faces of the three girls, the posters and billboards, the police trailer on the highway...

Unfortunately, the only way I can see it being solved is a confession (unlikely) or the discovery of the jewelry and clothing taken from the girls. I don't think it's much of a secret that the cops never found any usable DNA, given the delay in finding the bodies and the weather during that time, and as sad as it is to say, there's probably bugger-all chance of finding Sarah Spiers' body after all this time (if she was indeed a victim of the same person).

As for who did it, I think it must have been at least two people working together, who probably had somewhere close by to take them. Obviously, it's very likely that a taxi, cop car or something similar was used. I can't see a bloke like Lance Williams, who I've dealt with in the past, doing it alone (or at all, to be honest). I think this is where the cops got their Weygers/Ross hypothesis from, as they had access to a taxi and numerous properties nearby, but Weygers was a very recognisable person in Claremont at the time and while he was allegedly a bit of a letch it's a big jump to accuse him of these murders (that didn't stop people from ringing Crimestoppers about him though). 

The attempted abduction on Princess Road by a cab driver and his 'passenger', where the young lady jumped out and broke her ankle, is too similar to the Claremont case to be unrelated in my opinion. There was also the abduction and rape of a teenager walking down Gugeri St in 1995, who was dumped alive at Karrakatta Cemetery which could also be related, and the Julie Cutler case in 1988. I've always had a nagging suspicion that this was connected to the later murders in order to further incriminate Lance Williams, as her car was found in the Cottesloe surf and he was living on Eric Street. Sarah McMahon, even though she was working in Claremont, is unrelated as I believe the cops have a very good idea who was responsible for that.

Bloody hell, I could go on and on about this. I used to walk down Stirling Hwy every day to catch the bus, past the payphone Sarah Spiers used to call her cab and where Ciara Glennon was seen speaking to the occupants of a car that's never been identified, so I'd think about it most days. I really hope that somehow they find him/them and get closure for the families who have suffered more grief than most could ever imagine.

patsmithAug 30, 2013

I dont know how serial killers Or killers think/work.But part of me thinks some one knows something about this case (and many others) Do killers like to brag about what they have done? Or want there name in history or abook of what they have done.Is it because they have taken kids they dont say anything because they will/might be taken out bye other killers? It would be nice (thats not a good word) for the families know what has happened to there loved one(s).

rocker_oz33Aug 31, 2013

rocker_oz33 said:

I dont know how serial killers Or killers think/work.But part of me thinks some one knows something about this case (and many others) Do killers like to brag about what they have done? Or want there name in history or abook of what they have done.Is it because they have taken kids they dont say anything because they will/might be taken out bye other killers? It would be nice (thats not a good word) for the families know what has happened to there loved one(s).

The ones who brag are the ones who get caught, but I agree that there simply must be people out there with information. For better or worse, real life isn't like Dexter with serial killers taking each other out. They are gutless cowards who prey on the vulnerable.

patsmithSep 1, 2013

Not long before Sarah went missing her sister spent the night on my couch after returning from a night on the town to find herself locked out from our neighbour's (who was a good friend). I was in Claremont with mates on the nights that Sarah and Jane went missing. This one hits very close to home. I can't believe that it remains unsolved.

Brown BottleSep 1, 2013

Brown Bottle said:

I was in Claremont with mates on the nights that Sarah and Jane went missing. This one hits very close to home.

Crazy. Where you interviewed by police, I heard that everyone out in Claremont that night was at some stage interviewed? Any theories you and your friends have discussed?

RU486Sep 1, 2013

The person who did these crimes is probably dead now, already in jail for another crime or lives far away. Its unusual for serial killers to randomly stop (although there is a small chance that this has happened).

ep2006Sep 1, 2013

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/09/21/07/31/adrian-bayley-fantasised-about-killing

 

NSWCROWSep 22, 2013

Silent Alarm said: 

hat's been the general consensus around Perth for years.

Apparently they've had surveillance on a guy for years. But they're just missing a few shards of evidence. So it's either really thorough and dedicated police work, like digging a tunnel rather than going straight down, or they've botched it completely.

But everyone will say they know someone who could've done it. Who knows?

The thing I find interesting is that the Claremont Serial Killer almost defies criminal psychology logic. Even someone spending a few hours on the internet realises that killers have a pretty specific MO, and it carries on until they're caught. He either completely changed his methods, stop killing completely, moved, or died – but how many serial killers move?

The idea that he's strolling around Perth and asking you "can I just get through, mate?" at Woolies is a pretty fvcked up one.

Why? There are murderers everywhere - look at how many people go missing. Really just because the CSK is a serial killer and rapist, does it make it any creepier than say, standing in line next to a drug dealer that just chopped someone up and dumped them out bush? He is far more likely to pose a danger to you than the CSK!

Schism said:

Why? There are murderers everywhere - look at how many people go missing. Really just because the CSK is a serial killer and rapist, does it make it any creepier than say, standing in line next to a drug dealer that just chopped someone up and dumped them out bush? He is far more likely to pose a danger to you than the CSK!

Hey? I didn't mean to imply that only the Claremont Serial Killer threw up that hypothetical. I agree with you in general. But this is a hugely infamous case in Australian crime. It'd be more shocking if he was the guy you bought coffees off than if it was a (currently) anonymous killer.

Silent AlarmSep 27, 2013#

Silent Alarm said:

Hey? I didn't mean to imply that only the Claremont Serial Killer threw up that hypothetical. I agree with you in general. But this is a hugely infamous case in Australian crime. It'd be more shocking if he was the guy you bought coffees off than if it was a (currently) anonymous killer. 

yep and it more than likely is/was someone reasonably normal in apprearance and manner

SchismSep 27, 2013

Squibo said:

While the individual in the footage didn't exactly stand out from the crowd with his appearance, one would like to think that if he was a local or even a resident of WA, that somebody would recognise him. The fact that the individual in question has refused to come forward when apparently? everyone else captured in the footage has come forward to clear their name shouts guilty. One of the graver cases in recent Australian criminal records.

I know a guy who was approached by the task squad a few years back. People suggested the guy in the vid might be him. So he went into SGT in the city and was interviewed. His answer was "dunno, could be me. Have no idea what I was doing 10+ years ago on that night". 

I was in Perth on the night in question but cannot remember if I was out that night (I would have been at that hotel if I were). I assume that if I was out that night the next day I would have known and remembered I was in Claremont the night she went missing.

From what he said, he felt the police were just going through the motions and following up all leads. He had the impression they had all but given up finding their man, or possibly think they know who did it but for whatever reason can't do anything.

bunsen burnerOct 9, 2013

bunsen burner said:

I know a guy who was approached by the task squad a few years back. People suggested the guy in the vid might be him. So he went into SGT in the city and was interviewed. His answer was "dunno, could be me. Have no idea what I was doing 10+ years ago on that night".

I was in Perth on the night in question but cannot remember if I was out that night (I would have been at that hotel if I were). I assume that if I was out that night the next day I would have known and remembered I was in Claremont the night she went missing.

From what he said, he felt the police were just going through the motions and following up all leads. He had the impression they had all but given up finding their man, or possibly think they know who did it but for whatever reason can't do anything.

Well, I can hardly remember what I had for lunch yesterday most of the time so I could understand his response. For that matter, with my memory over the space of ten years, I probably could have actually committed the murders and then successfully forgotten about them completely!

I always shook my head at those Cold Cases type shows where somehow everyone remembers where they were, what they were doing. If an actual cop came to me and said "Where were you on the night of *some time ago*?" I would 90% of the time say "I haven't the foggiest..."

OneirosOct 11, 2013

I know one of the detective that was part of the investigation and apparently the murders were particularly gruesome. Apparently the bodies were so horribly mutilated that dental records had to be used for identification. He was also saying that they know who it is/was but could not bring all the evidence together to bring it to trial. He said he was frustrated that they are/were so close that all they needed was a little bit more to make it all stick. That's why none of the details (cause of death, potential suspects etc) of the case have ever been released, they are/were that close.

ChampRevesbyDec 30, 2013

Typical WAPOL.vealesyJan 2, 2014

I wonder if he posts on Bigfooty. Kim HagdornJan 2, 2014

ChampRevesby said:

I know one of the detective that was part of the investigation and apparently the murders were particularly gruesome. Apparently the bodies were so horribly mutilated that dental records had to be used for identification. He was also saying that they know who it is/was but could not bring all the evidence together to bring it to trial. He said he was frustrated that they are/were so close that all they needed was a little bit more to make it all stick. That's why none of the details (cause of death, potential suspects etc) of the case have ever been released, they are/were that close.

Did he happen to mention that the suspect was responsible for all of the murders and was one of his colleagues? Ted38Jan 2, 2014



10th of January, 2011 - Papertrail

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

If that is true then that pretty much rules him out.

Have you go a source so we can rule a line through his name once and for all?

I will not divulge the name of the source of the information but I will say that the information was from provided by someone that would know the detail. 

RZ's name can be crossed off for SS as he had an alibi for that date only. All current information on this young man's death, points to murder; and this includes expert opinion from people that have expertise in particular fields, include Robin Napper.

8th of January, 2016- papertrail 

The vehicle featured in postnewspaper 5 dec 2015 article

During my online searches I came across a photo that looked familiar. Have a look at the 3 attached images. This is where Bret sourced his photo of the vehicle he said was a VS Holden Commodore Series 1.

Just back from the wheel arch, marked in 3rd attachment, is the word BERLINA. When you open the link, click on the top lefthand photo to open; compare the background in this photo ie garage and garage door, grassed area and items in vehicle to the Post photo -- they are identical. 

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Holden_Co...2.80.931997.29

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8th of January, 2011 - Sutton

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

Originally Posted by silver tonguedoes anybody have any info on romuald zac as far as i can find out he was found hung on the grounds of graylands hospital ,[ he was a patient], on the 21st may 1997 2 mths after the CSK .ended, He [supposedly] worked with CG, his mother swears he was murdered 

http://dahois.com/www/ romuald zac murder.com.html

Not to deter from the ongoing Berlina debate, but I think Romuald Zak is worthy of discussion. 
IMO, he is not Mystery Man and he was not involved in killing anyone. 
It was reported that Romuald worked with Ciara and he knew Jane. But I can't figure out how he knew Jane, when he last saw her, the nature of their relationship, or anything else. 
Imagine working somewhere and one co-worker is killed by a serial killer, and two months later another co-worker dies of a very suspicious suicide.
I did read online Ciara had signed Romuald's good-bye card from the law firm, so he may have been a former employee. The strangeness of this depends on if Romuald died of suicide or homicide.

Last edited by Sutton; 01-09-2016 at 02:17 AM.

8th of January, 2016- papertrail 

 Originally Posted by Sutton

Not to deter from the ongoing Berlina debate, but I think Romuald Zak is worthy of discussion. 

IMO, he is not Mystery Man was he not involved in killing anyone. 

It was reported that Romuald worked with Ciara and he knew Jane. But I can't figure out how he knew Jane, when he last saw her, the nature of their relationship, or anything else. 

Imagine working somewhere and one co-worker is killed by a serial killer, and two months later another co-worker dies of a very suspicious suicide.

I did read online Ciara had signed Romuald's good-bye card from the law firm, so he may have been a former employee. The strangeness of this depends on if Romuald died of suicide or homicide.

As I understand it, Romuald's death was originally classified by WA police as a suicide and the 1st Coroner's inquest also came to that conclusion. A subsequent inquest delivered an 'open finding'. 

Romuald was last seen at Graylands Hospital as a patient, on 22 May 1997, and disappeared that afternoon. This date is 347 days from Jane Rimmer's abduction 9 June 1996. 

A couple of things I have read recently have prompted me to look closely at the dates LW spent at Graylands.

There is another 'suicide' that occurred after Romuald at Graylands, with the 'victim' found in very similar circumstances. Both Romuald and this 'victim' were found outside the perimeter fenceline.

Attached are 2 photos; hard to believe these are the same guy !

When I first looked at these photos, I though the 1st attachment could show he was MM. 2nd photo is on his gravestone at Karrakatta cemetery. He is buried 2 rows back from Ciara Glennon

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9th of January, 2016 - enzeder 

Originally Posted by papertrail

Re the 4th (?) attachment which beings...it was not until 2008 and then attachment 5 (?) which begins...2 years later. Am I reading this right that it was not until 2 years after 2008 that makes it 2010 that BC says the Chem Centre moved. Because if that is the case the dates are not connecting. Here is the Chem Centre's history which details they moved in 2009. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChemCentre

BBM ^ I agree. 

At the link below it says, "ChemCentre moved to the Resources and Chemistry Precinct, Curtin University in Bentley on 8 September 2009"

http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/publ...$file/3914.pdf

9th of January, 2011 - Sutton

Originally Posted by papertrai

...Romuald was last seen at Graylands Hospital as a patient, on 22 May 1997, and disappeared that afternoon. This date is 347 days from Jane Rimmer's abduction 9 June 1996…

RSBM. I must be missing something here. What's the significance of 347 days?

9th of January, 2016 - enzeder 

Originally Posted by silver tongue 

does anybody have any info on romuald zac as far as i can find out he was found hung on the grounds of graylands hospital ,[ he was a patient], on the 21st may 1997 2 mths after the CSK .ended, He [supposedly] worked with CG, his mother swears he was murdered http://dahois.com/www/ romuald zac murder.com.html

I get 'This webpage is not available' when I click on the link you posted.

9th of January, 2011 - J35

 Originally Posted by papertrail

2nd photo is on his gravestone at Karrakatta cemetery. He is buried 2 rows back from Ciara Glennon.

You've visited? …

9th of January, 2011 - silver tongue 

Originally Posted by enzeder

I get 'This webpage is not available' when I click on the link you posted.

type in romuald zac unsolved murders, then go in to the facts unsolved murders [easier]

9th of January, 2016 - enzeder 

Originally Posted by silver tongue

Thank you for that. I see that's the same website I found when I was searching for information about Romuald Zak a couple of days ago.

9th of January, 2011 - Parkie 

 Originally Posted by papertrail

Perp may have used a 4wd to access bot JR and CG disposal sites.

Crap Papertrail. JR was dragged into the bushland from the road. There was no vehicle access there. CG a 2wd can get in there a piece of cake. This is totally made up by yourself. If you knew the sites you would know. Sorry but don`t make stuff up, please.

9th of January, 2011 - Parkie

Originally Posted by papertrail 

CORRECTION:

I've had a brain meltdown; to damned hot and smokey !

The 1989 attempted rape the girl, the perp was driving a station wagon with tailgate not panel van !

If this is the same perp as the 1995 Rowe Park rape and the CG vehicle and the JR vehicle (if both were Holden Commodore VS station wagons), then he prefers vehicles with tailgates. Why ?

Bit smokey in Perth Papertrail. It`s ok for me.

9th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by papertrail 

I think it is Napper feeding the information to Bret re the DNA links, vehicle etc. I wonder if Napper is 'feeding correct information' or is he just stirring up the hornet's nest that is the WA police service ? Napper was also heavily involved in the recent Rayney battle to prove his (Rayney's) innocence; showing up slack forensic procedures.

I think this is unlikely. Without going and checking timelines it was talked about in DM's 2008 book that Napper had already fallen out with police. If recent reports are to believed, Police didn't discover the DNA link until 2011 - well after Napper was not only out of the loop but in Macro/SCS's "we hate you and will act in spite of you" book.

1. I doubt Napper would have access to this information.
2. I doubt the only person in the media he'd be speaking to is BC. If he is disgruntled (and reports suggest he is) then it's likely he'd be talking to anyone who wants to listen. No one else is directly reporting it. The best we see from other media outlets is "BS from the post says...."


$1.80 SCS have chosen BC to report their strategically devised propaganda with a view to drawing the CSK into a mistake
$1.95 Stanbury from SCS is on the way out and is making a last ditch effort to solve the case. He uses BC to float some of the info he has collected in the past 7 years with a view to getting a lead fro the public.
$2.45 SCS are trying to prevent an coronial inquest so are trying to gice the impression the case is moving
$3.00 BC has got an insider who is feeding him info and SCS haven't shut the leak down yet.
$7.00 Rabon Napper is that leak.
$10 BC is just making stuff up.

9th of January, 2016 - enzeder

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

RSBM - What date was the article regarding DNA link made in 2011?.

By my reckoning, according to the below screen shot, depending on when exactly in 2008 the officers within the Special Crime Squad were able to put the Schramm team's information to the test and however many months later a laboratory confirmed the "stranger" DNA link, I'm thinking that it could only be 2008 or 2009 at the latest that the DNA link was made?. imo



Screen shot from article at link below.

December 5, 2015 - Two new clues to serial killer By BRET CHRISTIAN
http://postnewspapers.com.au/edition.../pdf/paper.pdf

9th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

Ok, so DNA (allegedly) in 2008 and Holden Commodore fibre in 2011. 
Can anyone confirm when Napper was frozen out of the case? 
If it was pre 2008 then it's highly unlikely Napper is BC's source. Even if it was later than that how would have Napper known about the fibre match to a commodore?

9th of January, 2011 - Parkie

Napper was frozen out of the case early in the case. He could have done well in the WA Police Force but he had a public go at them (prob before Claremont) & they didn`t want him full stop.



Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3 p.67

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?294568-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-3/page67

9th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

I had the impression it was during the case. It was talked about in DM's book so should have been 2008 or earlier which means he would unlikely have access to the holden fibre and therefore wouldn't be BC's source.

9th of January, 2011 - Papertrail

Napper timeline

the attached document will give you an insight into Napper's timeline. I have included links to various document sourced on the net; these contain some pretty interesting information.

What the timeline shows, is when Napper was involved in the WA Uni forensic facility, which BTW was run totally independent to the Chemistry Centre which WA police use. Nappers involvement at the WA Uni's facility was for a number of years between 2001 and 2006, therefore he may have had (direct) access to forensics and other material, or he may have been given information direct from scientists (associates) involved in the Chemistry Centre -- responsible for undertaking the forensic examinations connected to Claremont murder investigations. If he was given access during the 2001 - 2006 period, he more than likely would have been placed under a 'secrecy and non disclosure' contract. If this is so, the non disclosure restrictions may have (currently) expired. 

I have not included all information and documents that are available on the net; only the ones that I found that could provide timeline dates and relative information. 

Napper would have been around the periphery for a considerable number of years and at the time of the many lead up reviews, prior to the Shramm review, were done. There is a particular piece of passage in one of the ABC transcripts I have included, and that shows clearly where Caporn's leadership led the teams and their investigations, he controlled -- directly into the quagmire. No wonder the socalled reviews (prior to Schramm's) ended up with nothing new ! 

Sorry Sutton, leadership really does matter !

 Attached Files

 pdf Napper timeline.pd.pdf (610.7 KB, 9 views)

9th of January, 2011 - Papertrail

Originally Posted by Parkie

Crap Papertrail. JR was dragged into the bushland from the road. There was no vehicle access there. CG a 2wd can get in there a piece of cake. This is totally made up by yourself. If you knew the sites you would know. Sorry but don`t make stuff up, please.

When I wrote my 4wd vehicle perhaps being used by perp to access the JR and CG disposal sites, I was referring (in my mind) to my previous discussion re the perp may have accessed the JR site not via Woolcoot Road but via the many tracks that lead off Mortimer and contained within the property boundaries of 619 Millar. And re the CG site, my previous discussion regarding the track off the former unbitumenized Marmion Ave and the track that leads off from there that terminates at Pipidinny Road. I had posted 2 screen shots of aerial photographs with my previous comments to this. 

I am fully aware that both Woolcoot Road and Pipidinny Road disposal sites could be accessed using 2wd. I was at the time, discussing alternative ways the perp may have accessed the sites and that he didn't necessarily access those sites using the vehicle he had used in the initial abductions of the girls.

If you look very closely at video footage from the Sunday Night (featuring Ferguson / Bayens) programme, you will see just how thick the vegetation was at the JR disposal site. I don't see how the perp could have accessed JR's actual disposal area from Woolcoot; it would have been nigh impossible and extremely difficult, unless of course he visited the site prior to the taking JR there, to prepare a track to her exact disposal site.

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9th of January, 2011 - Papertrail

Originally Posted by Sutton 

Not to deter from the ongoing Berlina debate, but I think Romuald Zak is worthy of discussion. 

IMO, he is not Mystery Man and he was not involved in killing anyone. 

It was reported that Romuald worked with Ciara and he knew Jane. But I can't figure out how he knew Jane, when he last saw her, the nature of their relationship, or anything else. 

Imagine working somewhere and one co-worker is killed by a serial killer, and two months later another co-worker dies of a very suspicious suicide.

I did read online Ciara had signed Romuald's good-bye card from the law firm, so he may have been a former employee. The strangeness of this depends on if Romuald died of suicide or homicide.

The information about RZ knowing Jane is internet rumour or misinformation. The information about knowing and working with Ciara (and in the same legal team) and the card signing is correct. He left the employ of Blake Dawson Waldron near the end of 1994, commenced study into health and fitness and worked with his stepfather (Jan Zak) and mother's (aka Danuta Kosiorek) painting business D & J Painting. His stepfather also was a keen scuba diver and instructor and RZ participated in scuba diving. 

RZ gravestone has his name as Romuald Tood (unfortunately misspelled - should be Todd) Kosiorek and reference to stepfather's surname Zak. 

RZ was not living at his parent's house prior to his admission to Graylands Hospital. He lived independently in a flat in Main Road, Osborne Park (near corner of North Beach Drive). He drove a small 2wd vehicle. On the night that SS was abducted, he was hospitalized and in recovery mode after having a penile enhancement procedure. There were 2 attempted suicides recorded prior to his death. His (younger ?) brother worked for a large vehicle retailer located at Victoria Park which btw sell Holdens.

People say he had visited CG's gravesite on several occasions, but the thing here is that he was hospitalized in Graylands from the 13 April 1997, CG was located on 3rd April and funeral service on 11th April therefore if he visited her grave at Karrakatta several times this occurred over 2 days.

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9th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by papertrail

If you look very closely at video footage from the Sunday Night (featuring Ferguson / Bayens) programme, you will see just how thick the vegetation was at the JR disposal site. I don't see how the perp could have accessed JR's actual disposal area from Woolcoot; it would have been nigh impossible and extremely difficult, unless of course he visited the site prior to the taking JR there, to prepare a track to her exact disposal site.

??????????????

JR was dumped approximately 3m from Woolcoot Rd. Where she was dumped was indeed accessible from Woolcoot Rd quite easily by foot (overgrown but quite accessible). To suggest the CSK accessed her dump spot any other way is absurd.

9th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by papertrail #

On the night that SS was abducted, he was hospitalized and in recovery mode after having a penile enhancement procedure.

If that is true then that pretty much rules him out.

Have you go a source so we can rule a line through his name once and for all?#

 9th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by papertrail

the attached document will give you an insight into Napper's timeline. I have included links to various document sourced on the net; these contain some pretty interesting information.

What the timeline shows, is when Napper was involved in the WA Uni forensic facility, which BTW was run totally independent to the Chemistry Centre which WA police use. Nappers involvement at the WA Uni's facility was for a number of years between 2001 and 2006, therefore he may have had (direct) access to forensics and other material, or he may have been given information direct from scientists (associates) involved in the Chemistry Centre -- responsible for undertaking the forensic examinations connected to Claremont murder investigations. If he was given access during the 2001 - 2006 period, he more than likely would have been placed under a 'secrecy and non disclosure' contract. If this is so, the non disclosure restrictions may have (currently) expired. 
I have not included all information and documents that are available on the net; only the ones that I found that could provide timeline dates and relative information. 
Napper would have been around the periphery for a considerable number of years and at the time of the many lead up reviews, prior to the Shramm review, were done. There is a particular piece of passage in one of the ABC transcripts I have included, and that shows clearly where Caporn's leadership led the teams and their investigations, he controlled -- directly into the quagmire. No wonder the socalled reviews (prior to Schramm's) ended up with nothing new ! 
Sorry Sutton, leadership really does matter 

Ok, so how did Napper get wind of the commodore fibres? Macro and it's incarnations are tight on security. How did he get it and what's his reason for leaking it to BC?
There also the issue of the Schramm Team finding this evidence (a real coup) and then losing this evidence for another 7 years. Honestly, what are the chances of having a major find and then either losing it or forgetting to follow it up?
The Schramm review only uncovered a handful of new leads - they would have been all over them. It's inconceivable that the evidence could have been lost or forgotten about. This to me is just another reason why I think what BC is reporting is questionable and that something else might be at play here.

 10th of January, 2011 - Papertrail

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

??????????????

JR was dumped approximately 3m from Woolcoot Rd . Where she was dumped was indeed accessible from Woolcoot Rd quite easily by foot (overgrown but quite accessible). To suggest the CSK accessed her dump spot any other way is absurd.

5 metres from the edge of Woolcoot and that puts JR's remains being located near the eastern boundary fenceline of 619 Miller Road. have a look at the attached photo and tell me this bush was easily accessible -- especially in the middle of the night. The area looked nothing like it does presently. Police removed a lot of the scrub / bush along Woolcoot Road on the day and day after the find, and they returned on 17 February 1997 and excavated a whole section. What you see currently, is definitely not what you would have seen prior to 43rd or 4th August 1996. The Landgate aerial photo captured on 6/2/1995 also shows extremely thick almost impenetrable bush growth. 
There is nothing absurd about putting ideas out there backed up by some sort of evidence ie like a photo or documents and links; instead of someone just sitting there waiting to pick holes and to do nothing than bag all the time; time to put up I'd say !

 Attached Images

 JR site showing thick bush lining woolcoot.PNG (938.6 KB, 60 views)

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 10th of January, 2011 - Papertrail

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

If that is true then that pretty much rules him out.

Have you go a source so we can rule a line through his name once and for all?

I will not divulge the name of the source of the information but I will say that the information was from provided by someone that would know the detail. 

RZ's name can be crossed off for SS as he had an alibi for that date only. All current information on this young man's death, points to murder; and this includes expert opinion from people that have expertise in particular fields, include Robin Napper.

10th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

5m? 3m? What's that, a difference of 2m?

From that photo, you can't tell how dense it is to walk 3-5m into. What we do know is 57 days later a woman walked in quite easily to pick some flowers, suggesting that......

....... it was reasonably easy to access the dump spot.

Common sense is a wonderful thing.

  10th of January, 2011 - Papertrail

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

Ok, so how did Napper get wind of the commodore fibres? Macro and it's incarnations are tight on security. How did he get it and what's his reason for leaking it to BC?

There also the issue of the Schramm Team finding this evidence (a real coup) and then losing this evidence for another 7 years. Honestly, what are the chances of having a major find and then either losing it or forgetting to follow it up?

The Schramm review only uncovered a handful of new leads - they would have been all over them. It's inconceivable that the evidence could have been lost or forgotten about. This to me is just another reason why I think what BC is reporting is questionable and that something else might be at play here.

Did you not read all the documents I linked to in the Napper timeline post ? Napper could well have come across the Rimmer forensics and the outcome of those forensics whilst he held the position at the WA Uni's forensics section or through his close mate Malcolm Boots who is also a UK forensics expert and who participated in the Schramm review.

10th of January, 2011 - Papertrail 

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

5m? 3m? What's that, a difference of 2m?
From that photo, you can't tell how dense it is to walk 3-5m into. What we do know is 57 days later a woman walked in quite easily to pick some flowers, suggesting that......
....... it was reasonably easy to access the dump spot.
Common sense is a wonderful thing.

But do we know that the killer didn't go back and cut his little path so he could go back and visit really easily therefore the flower picker and her children had more easy access. No we don't but it is a real possibility.

10th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by papertrail

Did you not read all the documents I linked to in the Napper timeline post ? Napper could well have come across the Rimmer forensics and the outcome of those forensics whilst he held the position at the WA Uni's forensics section or through his close mate Malcolm Boots who is also a UK forensics expert and who participated in the Schramm review.

No. For the following reasons;

1. You haven't provided a specific and logical case for me to look at. You've just provided a mish mash of links.

2. You have a track record of misinterpreting information. The old 2+2=8. Why would I spend time sifting through a heap of documents when there is a good chance there's absolutely no cause to a reasonable assumption that Napper is the leak/source?

At this stage it's most likely police are feeding BC well thought out information to release. If not, maybe there's a leak (which they have been unable to plug).

Napper was frozen out of the case by police - most likely before the holden fibres evidence was known. Therefore there would have been someone else leaking it to Napper. Which poses the question;

1. Why did that person keep providing Napper info after he realised Napper was leaking it to BC?
2. If it was his mate Boots then surely Napper wouldn't have compromised his mate by leaking information to the press


It's a massive stretch to suggest Napper is the leak. Until you can find me some compelling evidence I'll take the view that he's not the leak. Happy to change my view - just need some compelling reasoning.

I'm having trouble working out how you always interpret the low percentage plays out of any set of evidence? It's not occasionally, it's every single time. Are you even aware that you do this?

10th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by papertrail 

But do we know that the killer didn't go back and cut his little path so he could go back and visit really easily therefore the flower picker and her children had more easy access. No we don't but it is a real possibility.

Possible but unlikely. I'd suggest his motivation was to keep her concealed for as long as possible and if he could get in there carry a body he could get in there not carrying a body. No reason to make the access any easie

10th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

CSK Number

$1.10 - A sole killer
$2.80 - 2 killers
$101 - A group of 3 or more

Everything points to one killer. It's not a done deal that Karra Man and CSK are the same person but there's a 
high chance and we know Karra was 1 guy. 

Where does the CSK live?

$2.00 - Local to Claremont and surrounds
$3.50 - Local to somewhere else in Perth
$5.00 - Local to somewhere else but was in Perth at the time

Abduction MO

$1.60 - The CSK convinced the girls to get into his car
$2.20 - Blitz attack
$2.50 - The CSK was in a taxi

- I know the media, presumably via the police have lead us down the blitz attack theory path but that's still not the highest likelihood given what we know. 
- How do we explain the car that never came forward on the SS abduction night? Let's say that car turned up 
- Chatsworth Tce or Dean St to go home. Why didn't the driver come forward? 
- What happened to the car seen talking to CG? Why was this info seemingly only released in 2008? This could explain why they never came forward. But even if it wasn't published, that driver would have known he spoke to CG shortly before abduction.
- It seems unlikely the CSK got out of his car to perform a blitz attack and it does seem likely the cars witnessed at the acenes were involved.
- There's possible explanations but they lead to the blitz attack theory not being the most likely.
- There's a good chance the Karra rape and the CSK murders are connected and we know that Karra Man's method was blitz attack.
- Where did JR go? Di she walk along Gugeri St towards her parents' home in Shenton park and get blitzed at Rowe Park?

Murder Method

$1.10 - Throats cut
$3.00 - Strangulation
$101 - Other

Kill Site

$1.85 - Close to the dump sites
$1.85 - Close to the abduction sites
$3.20 - Somewhere in between

- I know the police have stated publicly that they believe the girls were killed soon after abduction and close to the abduction sites but where could have this been? The hot tip is throats were cut. Lots of blood. 
- Unlikely to be in a car unless it was a plastic lined boot or van. That means outdoors and somewhere reasonably remote. 
- Maybe Karra or a few other places I can think of. 
- If near the dump sites, how did he get them there alive? There were no reported ligature marks on hands or feet. 

Why the killings Stopped

$2.50 - The CSK knew he was a POI so stopped
$3.00 - He died
$3.00 - He went to prison
$5.00 - He continued but changed his MO considerably
$5.00 - He moved overseas and continued
$10 - He moved interstate and continued

- There's no other murders in Australia that matched so if he continued he either changed MO or moved overseas. 
- The likelihood is the CSK is a local man leaving the first 3 options as the most likely.

Mystery Man

$1.40 - Not involved
$3.00 - Involved

- It's more likely that SS and CG were picked up by a vehicle of some description rather than blitz attacked and bundled into a car. JR could have been blitz attacked or could have got into a car. But there's nothing to suggest the CSK was out and about before the murders. The CSK is also highly organised so I don't believe he would have been taking such risks.
- There's also a reasonable explanation as to why he never came forward - because he never knew Macro were looking for him until 2008 and by that time he had already seen how LW had been treated.

DNA

$1.20 - Don't have
$4.00 - Do have

- CG's body was undiscovered for 19 days, JR's 57. They were exposed to wether such as rain and heat. Very hard to get DNA reads under those circumstances
- If they had DNA as early as 2008 then why haven't they found this man? Why haven't the media got wind of a ramped up testing campaign?
- Why is only one media outlet (The Post) talking about it? Others have mentioned it but referenced The Post.
- Why did The Post initially commit to "forensic link" and then a few months later claim the police had DNA?
- If it were true the letters DNA would be on the fron page of every Perth media outlet.

Sadly, from what we know, the likelihood of police having DNA is slim.


Why the recent media coverage through The Post?

$1.80 - SCS have chosen BC to report their strategically devised propaganda with a view to drawing the CSK into a mistake
$1.95 - Stanbury from SCS is on the way out and is making a last ditch effort to solve the case. He uses BC to 
float some of the info he has collected in the past 7 years with a view to getting a lead fro the public.
$2.45 - SCS are trying to prevent an coronial inquest so are trying to gice the impression the case is moving
$3.00 - BC has got an insider who is feeding him info and SCS haven't shut the leak down yet.
$7.00 - Rabon Napper is that leak.
$10 - BC is just making stuff up.

POI's

$7 - LW. All depends on DNA. If they have DNA then he is ruled out. If they don't have DNA then he has to be #1 based on known evidence. Biggest questions are, a)How did he get them into his car? b) If the CSK drove a late model Commodore then how did he get access to it?

$10 - Judoman. It would be a colossal coincidence if Judoman wasn't the guy we all think it is. The biggest question is why did he stop? The most likely reason the CSK stopped is because he was a POI. Judo wasn't a POI until well after the murders stopped.

$11 - PW. Had the means to get the girls into his car. It's questionable whether he has an alibi. BC said he did for one of the nights, GreenDevil says that alibi is not true. He wasn't named until 2004 but I believe he was a suspect early in the piece which fits with the "why did the CSK stop" theory

$12 - Someone off the radar. If they have DNA then the top 3 are ruled out and Mr X is number 1 POI. It's almost inconceivable that someone could have avoided being a POI at all, or who is on Macro's list but hasn't yet provided DNA. My main issue with this is that the killings stopped. Why stop when he's off the radar? The other issue is the stories preented to us by the media don't add up.

$15 - Telecom Man. Was identified by police because he had been offering lifts to girls in the area. Not much is known about this guy but he had access to multiple vehicles and it wasn't logged. This could explain a van for Karra and a station wagon for CG.

$15 - PW/SR Combo. Surely SR would have slipped up during his interviews and contradicted himself.

$15 - Taxi Tony. You never know.

$20 - SR. Too dim to pull this off and get away with it.

$50 - The rest. Dixie, Morey, Romuald Rak, Mony Leucas etc

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Basilisk 

Thanks Bart for this good round-up of what is known. 
I agree it is unlikely Police have DNA from original CSK suspected victims, or it would have been known sooner. The trail of breadcrumbs, including various interviews with Police also suggest this.
I guess based on chain-of-evidence, circumstantial arguments the Police likely have DNA from Karrakatta and a forensic link (fibres, printing chemicals?) between Karrakatta and JR and/or CG? So may not need DNA directly from CSK victims.If so, then by your logic its Mr X.

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10th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by Basilisk

Thanks Bart for this good round-up of what is known. 

I agree it is unlikely Police have DNA from original CSK suspected victims, or it would have been known sooner. The trail of breadcrumbs, including various interviews with Police also suggest this.

I guess based on chain-of-evidence, circumstantial arguments the Police likely have DNA from Karrakatta and a forensic link (fibres, printing chemicals?) between Karrakatta and JR and/or CG? So may not need DNA directly from CSK victims.

If so, then by your logic its Mr X.

Let's say they have DNA from Karra. That's highly likely I'd say.

But the forensic link - apparently it's the lost fibers.
Here's the problem with the fibres story;
1. JR wasn't discovered for 57 days and during this time was exposed to a lot of rain. She was dumped right next to a creek so any water coming down would have flowed down the creek and passed her on the way. It's highly unlikely any trace would remain after 57 days (I posted an article on this previously)
2. Apparently they lost this evidence, found it again in in the 2004 Schramm Review and then lost it again for another 4 or 7 years or something. It's a very suspicious story. Could be true but equally could not be true.
3. Given the questionable story above coupled with a number of other questionable articles released in the last 18 months it's not a stretch that police are feeding carefully planned incorrect information through the press as part of a strategy. This is not uncommon in such cases.
So by my logic the odds are reasonably accurate. If there is some more credible information about police having a forensic link which emables them to connect Karra to CSK and therefore rule out the main POIs through Karra DNA then those guys are out of the game.
Until then they are still more likely than a random that no one knows.

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10th of January, 2011 - J35

What are your betting odds on: 
1) CSK has revisited the dump sites
2) CSK used a 4wd (for papertrail)
3) Location of SS being closer to JR than to CG

4) in thread 2 (post 617), you told Sutton, publicly, a victim had a injury that could have been inflicted by a tool missing from a set belonging to LW.
Can you, given recent developments, provide your betting odds on: 
a) reliability of the information; and b) possible tool used.

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

"They also allegedly noticed a tool from a part of a tool set missing that exactly matched injuries that CG sustained"

10th of January, 2011 - J35

My money is on suspect who shares similarities to Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgeway:
Good Looking (Ted Bundy)
Well educated (Ted Bundy)
Compulsive tendency to rape (Ted Bundy)
Ability to rape without murder (Ted Bundy)
Creative ways to obtain victim's instant trust (Ted Bundy)
Able to have steady relationships (even a true love) [Both]
Extremely Careful in every step (Ridgeway)
Didn't kill if not 'in the right mood'/ if 'conditions' not right (Ridgeway)
Understanding of forensic evicence? (Ridgeway)

*detailed factual insight into Ridgeway about aspects of disposal sites, method of killing etc found here http://murderpedia.org/male.R/images...s/summary.pdf*

Whether he killed more than 3 people? Not sure. Bit hard to do in Claremont. Logic says that continuing to kill girls in Claremont following CG would have significantly raised the risk of being caught- even if he just continued to rape girls. The obvious choices are therefore to: a) move locations to continue; b) stop altogether (BTK style); or c) stop in WA and kill only on holidays elsewhere.

I would be interested to know of any rapes at/vicinity of UWA and co-university drinking locations in Crawley etc pre and post 1997.

Last edited by J35; 01-10-2016 at 09:12 AM.

10th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by J35

What are your betting odds on:
1) CSK has revisited the dump sites
2) CSK used a 4wd (for papertrail)
3) Location of SS being closer to JR than to CG

4) in thread 2 (post 617), you told Sutton, publicly, a victim had a injury that could have been inflicted by a tool missing from a set belonging to LW.
Can you, given recent developments, provide your betting odds on:
a) reliability of the information; and b) possible tool used.

$1.10 - CSK has revisited the dump sites. I bet he has driven past them
$3.00 - Used a 4WD. Certainly possible but there's a lot of talk about a Holden Commodore and also a PV.
SS Location

$2.20 - South near JR
$2.50 - With 5km of Claremont
$2.80 - East
Absolutely no idea TBH

10th January 2016, Surtton

This is a possible MO for the CSK:

Parked in carpark near Conti, CBV, Ocean Beach Hotel, or Cottesloe Hotel. Made sure to have a good view of a main road, or got out of the car to watch the footpaths.
Waited for a girl in a vulnerable position to come into his hunting area. If it took too long, he moved to another carpark.
Once he set his sights on a vulnerable target, he would just grab her in a way that's she's unlikely to scream. Punching someone in the face or stomach will usually catch them off guard or knock the breath out of them. Or maybe he used a martial arts attack.
He would further incapacitate them when he got them back to the car. He used a bag of some sort over Karrakatta's head, and bound her wrists. He also may have used chloroform or additional violence or a gag.
He then took them to a nearby, outdoor location, raped them (or sexually assaulted them in some way, and killed them. 
I think cutting their throats was the most likely manner of death. 
If someone bled to death outside, how long would the blood remain noticeable? A few days? Wouldn't it sink right into the ground? I know the grass might show a discoloration patch, but only a small area and a man familiar with secluded places would know where to carry this out.

10th January 2016, aim2solve

A few points that need to be made are as follows:

Irrespective of whether or not the 17/02/95 rape victim harboured usable suspect DNA material, Hollywood Private Hospital is, and has always remained a PRIVATE HOSPITAL. Forensic specimens are only taken by a qualified forensic nurse who is typically on standby in a strategic place; usually a major public hospital or custody centre. "Rape kits", as mentioned in this forum, do not exist. If they did exist they would not be administered by any registered nurse. 

Western Australia has some of the strongest legislation in the world regarding journalistic integrity. If you read it in a newspaper, you can safely say it's true. ( Be very careful to read the exact wording of an article; a rumor is a rumor, a fact is a fact)

The media, on numerous occasions, have reported that Lance Williams is no longer of interest to Cold Case Detectives. 

While there is a lot of speculation on this forum, there is not one official source of information that states there is evidence that a knife was used in any of these crimes. At the time, media outlets, perhaps working off information leaked through chain of information, suggested the most likely cause of death for JR.

10th of January, 2011 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by aim2solve

Western Australia has some of the strongest legislation in the world regarding journalistic integrity. If you read it in a newspaper, you can safely say it's true. ( Be very careful to read the exact wording of an article; a rumor is a rumor, a fact is a fact)

The media, on numerous occasions, have reported that Lance Williams is no longer of interest to Cold Case Detectives.

It's common practice for police to release misinformation in high profile cases such as this one. Do you think WA 's media laws would stop them?
You seem to be saying "whatever it says in the WA papers is true, full stop. This is incredibly naive. On this very thread we have discussed many examples where the media have made mistakes.
I lean towards misinformation by police as part of an investigative campaign but at the same time wouldn't be overly surprised if some information came to light that changed my view.
But right now there's two many things that just don't add up. Anyone who is absolutely convinced there's no way the information could be incorrect needs to explain the following;
1. Why only The Post? This is the only media outlet that directly reported it. Such a big case and no other media outlets were able to gain any info other than what The Post presented? That's odd in itself.
2. There's only two reasonable explanations for the above; a) strategic release by police, and b) unauthorised leak. If its unauthorised then why haven't police plugged that leak? If its authorised and the info is true, why only the Post? It's either an unauthirised leak or police are trying to make out it's an unauthorised leak.
3. JR was left exposed to heavy weather for 57 days. My research says it's unlikely to find such trace after 2 days let alone 57. Possible but again, highly unlikely.

4. When the Schramn review rolled around they found a handfull of leads. One allegedly was the fibres found on JR. So the Schramm team are super focused, find a lead that could crack the case open and they misplace it. That's absurd. As if that would happen. The only possible explanation is BC made an error in journalism. But again, it's yet another thing that doesn't add up. Too many for my liking. 
5. From memory, the first time the Post reported this DNS was never mentioned. The words 'forensic link' was used. The next article a few months later DNA was mentione in the middle of the article. It's not only suspicious that the goalposts changed but to mention DNA in passing is also suspicious.
If BC knew they had DNA thn why not mention it in the first article? Why was DNA not i the article title? Surely that's the story? If he only learnt of DNA after the first article then again,why wasn't DNA mentioned in the article title. 

This is a massive story and if the other media outlets thought it were true there would be a lot more going on.
6. If they've had DNA since 2011 or whenever it was, why haven't the media got wind in a change of investigative methods. Surely there's an element of 'test everyone you can'. The media would get wind of this pretty quickly. Police would have lists of 1000s of suspects and they'd be trawling through them aggressively.

With those questions unanswered along with the knowledge that in cases like these it is normal for police to oush out strategicalky planned information, I'm leaning towards just that. As more info becomes available my view will evolve. But right now the info tells me hang back and wait and see what happens.

Last edited by Bartholemeus; 01-10-2016 at 05:08 PM.

10th January, 2016 - M1301

Originally Posted by aim2solve 

A few points that need to be made are as follows:

Irrespective of whether or not the 17/02/95 rape victim harboured usable suspect DNA material, Hollywood Private Hospital is, and has always remained a PRIVATE HOSPITAL. Forensic specimens are only taken by a qualified forensic nurse who is typically on standby in a strategic place; usually a major public hospital or custody centre. "Rape kits", as mentioned in this forum, do not exist. If they did exist they would not be administered by any registered nurse. 

Hollywood Private Hospital is indeed a private hospital. The victim of the Karrakatta attack presented there after her attack, and what happened next we dont know. I would assume (and this is very much an assumption) that the victim would have been transfered to the emergency department of a different hospital. At the time, the Sexual Assault Referral Center in Perth was in the emergency department of the King Edward Memorial Hospital. It started life at the Sir Charles Gairdiner Hospital at Nedlands- it was opened in 1976, and relocated in 1986.
https://www3.aifs.gov.au/acssa/docs/WAFSAS/phillips.pdf
One of the 1976 objectives was to assist the Police and Crown Law Department in the apprehension and conviction of the assailant, especially in the collection and presentation of evidence.

A "rape kit" does not exist- technically, it is called a SAIK- a sexual assault identification kit. This kit has developed over time. A description of what is in a current SAIK in Australia is available here:
http://www.legalanswers.sl.nsw.gov.a...assault_56.pdf

**edit**- I "assume" the victim was transferred elsewhere for treatment as the police have forensic evidence in the case.

Last edited by Mel 1303; 01-10-2016 at 06:49 PMReason: Clarification

10th January, 2016 - M1301

Interesting comments:
https://facebook.com/WAtoday/posts/10153766005844313

10th of January, 2011 - Papertrail 

Postnewspaper article 5 Oct 2015

A couple of things: pg 1 Bret refers to CG going missing on 17 March 97; incorrect. She went missing just after midnight 15/3/97. P109 Bret says (when referring to JR) "she was thought to have been abducted when walking east in Stirling Highway, Claremont."

Does this mean that Bret has further information that conflicts with WA police re last sighting on CCTV footage, or do we all 'think' that the cctv footage was the last sighting due to message put out by police during the CIA doc ? Or do police know that JR left the area outside the Conti voluntarily and they were just after someone that could identify the MM ?

The 1996 newspaper article I posted last week detailed that WA police were appealing for anyone that witnessed a girl of JR's description walking east on Stirling Highway near Dalkeith Road.

11h of January, 2011 - Papertrail 

a couple of articles re the Chem Centre and PathWest re 2009

these articles, I believe, give a insight into what was occurring in 2009. google the following 

forensic science 2009 western australia police

and open the 1st 2 articles; very interesting. there appears to have been a lot of activity in the forensic science area in 2009. 

Also, this article re the Rayney debacle, mentions the police commissioner brings in a forensic science guy named Andrews as part of the cold case review of the Rayney case. Andrews had been involved as a (forensic) consultant to police since 2009 through the University of WA’s Centre for Forensic Science (as a adjunct lecturer) -- the centre that Napper had been attached to; Napper worked on the Rayney case. 

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...19660f07c63a99

 11h of January, 2011 - Sutton

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

$1.10 - CSK has revisited the dump sites. I bet he has driven past them…

RSBM. Debi Marshall's book says, 
Like Jane Rimmer's disposal site, the cross that marks where Ciara lay has been repeatedly vandalised and destroyed by fire.
Do you think the CSK vandalized and set fire to the crosses? Who else would do it? (Location 4788, Chapter 83)

 11h of January, 2011 - Sutton

 Originally Posted by Mel 1303 

Interesting comments:
https://facebook.com/WAtoday/posts/10153766005844313

Yes they are. Has anyone else ever heard of a Ralph?
I'm happy to see someone sticking up for LW.

11h of January, 2011 -warri0r 

Reading quotes from a few links I've come across, one thing has become obvious to me.


http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/lost...-1111113619174
The usually hard-bitten police officer let his sensitivities show only occasionally as he took Debi Marshall around the significant sites in the Claremont serial killings. “Once having seen, you can’t unsee,” he says. “You can’t get rid of the visions from your head. They hang around and haunt you. Forever.” - Detective Senior-Sergeant Anthony Lee


http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1257731.htm
"I think the conclusion we came to, that these are sexually motivated crimes. Has a lot to do with offenders when they're very angry they feel powerless and killing gives them a sense of control and a sense of huge power." - Joel Kohout - Criminal Profiler - Bureau of Criminal Apprehension in Minnesota


Note, these are observations from senior, experienced people. Not rookies/cadets/graduates. My brother in law is a cop and he sees things all the time that are hard to stomach. Horrific injuries/deaths from car accidents, suicides on train tracks, injuries from assaults/harm done to infants. From reading the recollection of Anthony Lee, is it not obvious that they found the bodies in a horrific state? To me, if they were found naked, with all due respect, I'm not sure that is something that may haunt a detective senior sargeant forever. Even if their throats were cut. Did CSK do something extremely gruesome to these girls?

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

ww.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?294568-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-3/page69

10th January, 2016 - greenDevil

I think that you are over thinking it. Both JR and CG were decomposed JR more so then CG. I don't care how tough or experienced you are seeing decomposing bodies is never a pleasant experience. Take it from me, there are lots of things I wish I had never seen.



Australia Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #10

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325918-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-10/page92

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #10

01-09-2017 - ShellyGale

I think this might be the guy you're talking about, he looks back twice.

Originally Posted by 123sniff

Oh my gosh...you are right! I've attached two more screenshots from the link GreenE kindly posted (link at bottom of this post), much better quality. Screenshot A you can see MM's legs circled in red, what looks like long hair is actually the jumper thrown over the shoulder (56secs). If you watch the footage in slow-mo you can see his cross-legged gait. Screenshot B is JR circled in red, she actually turns around & leans out to watch MM disappear around the corner to his left. That's it for me for tonight, but I'll have a look at your other notes when I get a chance tomorrow. Once again, amazing observation skills!

https://youtu.be/eTpMkQV_bfk

YES YES YES thank you 123sniff that is exactly the moment you can clearly see the left leg turned in wwwwooooohhhhhooooo. it sux not having a screenshot function but you guys are awesome. it was driving me crazy trying to explain this as I am wrecked. My computer skills suck but my observation skills are pretty good I guess hehehe. night night and a big thank you. OMG I was wondering how the bloody hell flect got that cctv footage and why it included different shots of MM and others? I know this sounds crazy but could Flect be BRE and he has got the footage through his job somehow and was baiting us or something? Holy crap I do need some sleep! I going conspiracy but with what a user PMed me it seems like he gave clues. end of all I can discuss.

9th January 2017- lampformypath

 Originally Posted by CSK

Not sure if anyone picked it up, nut in the blurred pic Bradley is wearing a cap that states his name, does anyone with photoshop or the likes have the ability to zoom in and enhance to see what it says underneath?

Exactly what I've been waiting to see if anyone else was going to say anything about that. Was he running a little electrical repair/install business on the side, moonlighting? Or had he or a mate just found a business cap at an op shop and he wore it as he's a narcissist and wants to see his own name and strangely enough, everyone else to see it?

9th January 2017 - Skyza

Originally Posted by petedavo.au

It is a great pickup technique but she is still holding the jacket after mm leaves and you can see it over his left shoulder in the transition shot. so can't have happened that way.

9th January, 2017 -Haydos 

You guys are seeing the direction his toes are pointing and here I am trying to work out which pixel his leg is...

 

9th January, 2017 - JBA512

Originally Posted by aspiringsleuth

I've been wondering this too- and have tried to find out when the Gay St Property was sold. 
According to Perth Now/ Sunday Times, the subsequent owner subdivided it; 

"Their former home in Gay Street, Huntingdale was subdivided by a subsequent owner with a new home built on one part of the block"

And, looking at Google Earth/LandGate, the property at 144 Gay Street has been there since the 80s, which would make sense as that was where he grew up? 142 Gay Street, or the property on that part of land was only built in 2010. (I'm assuming this is the subdivided part). 

If I have this wrong, or if any one can clarify that would be awesome

I wonder if the property has gone through a few stages of sub division/sell offs as the original block was quiet large?
That article is saying that a new home is built on one part of the block.... they could fit several homes on the original block in the 80's.
I'd say the edwards sold some of the land and then kept the house on around 1000sqm or so. 
They sell it and the new owner sub divides again


9th January 2017  - user29 wowsers - so some questions.....


1) is the flect footage something new (i.e is it the same footage that has been available to us all along - or has this just popped up now) 
2) what is with the 20 - 21 second cut - why bother....just show us - its weird they include it (i assume its a cut as people randomly disappear and appear in slightly different spots)
3 - its obvious the guy has a strange walk - not sure if it is his gait or if he is pi$$ed trying to walk straight - could be either but a great pick up!

positive with more of this footage a lot of questions would be answered! (or more developed)

9th Janbuary, 2017 - Skyza

Originally Posted by ShellyGale

I think this might be the guy you're talking about, he looks back twice.

ok so that is the bloke I originally thought it was but I don't think he loks or walks like MM. check the pictures others have posted above...he is half way up the street and it is not a girl

9th Januray, 2017 - janwa

They all know also that limbs were hacked from the bodies of the dead women and spikes driven into the sculls. Police have revealed little about the bodies or the investigation, but the rumors (sic) became so frightening they told The Age emphatically: “They were not mutilated.”

Source: Who Killed these Women - The Hunt for a Serial Killer - Part One. 
The Age newspaper, 30 May 1998. Author Martin Daly with additional reporting by David Reardon.

So they had limbs chopped off but they weren't mutilated??? what does this mean

Last edited by sillybilly; 01-09-2017 at 01:36 PMReason: repaired quote

9th January, 2017 - CSK?
Well, I can clearly see what you are now referring to in the MM video, I can see the left foot turned inwards but as suggested a few posts above, I struggle to tell if that is the same guy or not, I too at first thought figured that was a woman walking off.

Regardless of this the BLAC video clearly shows BE with a very inwards facing left foot in several portions of the video which has brought about greatly needed evidence to an entirely different matter that some of us sleuthers have been investigating, so really a job well done either way mate.

9th January, 2017 - lampformypath   Also want to SKYZA thanks for your apology not necessary, but nice of you to say it. Won't go into it all again, but have had some horrendous belittling done from a previous boss so am hyper-sensitive. Sigh! And seriously do not assume that WAPOL have seen what you have seen with <modsnip> left foot, just them know, email them the screenshots side by side once your fellow techno whizzes have compiled it. It can't hurt. God bless you for your incredible diligence! 

rumroll, take a bow!

Last edited by sillybilly; 01-09-2017 at 01:43 PMReason: removed possessive

9th Januray, 2017 Skyza   
Originally Posted by Haydos
You guys are seeing the direction his toes are pointing and here I am trying to work out which pixel his leg is..

It took me a lot of time to see it but in the circled picture above his left leg appears black.

9th January, 2017 - user29 i am convinced they have the footage - but for reasons that may come out soon - chose not to show. Were they trying to let MM know that "they know" after all if he watched he would have known....

9th January, 2017 - Curtin
 https://youtu.be/hNxWUlIom4s

great Hoffy incident

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9th January, 2017 rhythymz 

Originally Posted by Donpara91

This was Nov 15 (by Bradley Edwards) RE Jobe Watson being stripped of the Brownlow. I am not sure what people are on about? .....Jobe was found guilty. He saw the writing on the wall and handed it back to save some face for what was an inevitable outcome.

Hmmm, I just wonder whether BRE might have more recently seen the "writing on the wall" over another matter and could be contemplating another "inevitable outcome". Maybe someone should call Jobe for advice?!!m

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Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)

Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page39&s=a3bffacaf27cdadd1124a097b6ff2b5a

04-10-2015- Sutton

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

Also on Trove (but not viewable online) is this interesting publication. As discussed up thread, it has been suggested that Sarah worked at BSD Consulting. BSD completed a review of the taxi industry in Perth in 1999. 

<modsnip>

And you can read another article, Are you a killer, asks police quiz here, along with an explanation of Deception Detection:
http://www.lsiscan.com/id38.htm

Last edited by bessie; 10-12-2015 at 07:11 AM. Reason: no link, no post

04-10-2015- MyLeftFoot

Originally Posted by Sutton

Also on Trove (but not viewable online) is this interesting publication. As discussed up thread, it has been suggested that Sarah worked at BSD Consulting. BSD completed a review of the taxi industry in Perth in 1999. 
Attachment 82519

And you can read another article, Are you a killer, asks police quiz here, along with an explanation of Deception Detection:
http://www.lsiscan.com/id38.htm

No doubt about you. That's excellent...keep going!

04-10-2015- Parkie 

Re The CSk

I keep telling plod they need to investigate all taxi drivers who left the Industry in 1997. Especially Italian drivers. Yet I am shot down in flames by Cuddy Dankers who cannot see what I am pointing too. Includes the SCS & others in the police service who watch this blog. Well ask the SCS who they recon is the guy in the Conti video?

Well I`m trying to find the post elsewhere, not on Big Footy either where a woman said the csk tried to fake an English accent but he was from Europe. Re the guy in the video, Well I don`t recon he is here at all. And I don`t think plod have a clue. They are most likely working on some faint dna atm.

04-10-2015- Fortune Cookie

 Originally Posted by Sutton

Does anyone think this could be related?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+WILL......-a084858913

I find it even more interesting that I have found several articles about this attack, but not a single image of the artist's impression of the attacker. I have read the articles and I feel it is highly likely that they are somehow related. But why can't I find any images of the 'attackers' face?

05-10-2015 Sutton

 Originally Posted by MyLeftFoot
Independent review of WA taxi industry announced


https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...announced.aspx

Taxi Industry Review BSD Consultants


http://rac.com.au/cs/groups/public/d...cstg058159.pdf

So, if Sarah worked at BSD, is this just a coincidence they contracted the taxi review? I can't see any way it would fit, other than coincidence.

05-10-2015 Sutton

Originally Posted by Parkie

Well I`m trying to find the post elsewhere, not on Big Footy either where a woman said the csk tried to fake an English accent but he was from Europe. Re the guy in the video, Well I don`t recon he is here at all. And I don`t think plod have a clue. They are most likely working on some faint dna atm.

The only comment I can find (outside of BF) is here: http://wildchild1962.hubpages.com/hu...comment3246976
I would love to see the comment you referenced.

05-10-2015 Sutton

Originally Posted by Fortune Cookie

I find it even more interesting that I have found several articles about this attack, but not a single image of the artist's impression of the attacker. I have read the articles and I feel it is highly likely that they are somehow related. But why can't I find any images of the 'attackers' face?

Frustrating!! The photofit is likely in The Mirror archives and the West Australian archives. The Mirror is £9.95 for 48 hours. I might sign up for that in the near future. The West is still on microfilm for 2002, so the only access is at the state library.

Still, it should be online somewhere...

The article from our posts says the attacker had a ponytail. Does that apply to any of our known POIs? Also,
this article says the girl was walking on Palmerston St. Is this considered a safe area? 
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/man-a...ralia-1.420218

05-10-2015 Parkie 

Originally Posted by Sutton

The only comment I can find (outside of BF) is here: http://wildchild1962.hubpages.com/hu...comment3246976

I would love to see the comment you referenced.

I have seen this. But it is not me who posted a comment there. I never knew who SD was till more recently. I have said that b4.That wildchild link is not what I am after. I think the lady mentioned it on You Tube in a reply. Mentioned a guy trying to put on an English accent. I will find it but have not the time right now. BTW the JR footage, well he has a pony tail showing. Did you all not see that? I did.

08-10-2015 Parkie 

Another change of the dynamics of the Deckchairs of the Titanic as of 5 days ago. The Captain of the polished ship way back originally had ideas.. Col that is. A bloke in Highgate with a plastic lined boot Col & team spotted, Fork in hell. Then the next in line was so focused he disregarded Cols theories & focused on a bloke going around in circles. The Cops eventually pointed their Heckler & kosh machine guns at their suspect when they had no other suspect. Ok, leaks to the media ensued. Chief suspect bolted down the hatches & waited. The Chief then fugged off to put out spot fires elsewhere that ensued... Then we had a good bloke,a damn good bloke, looking at the case along with his team. Probably the best who looked into it I`d say. Limited evidence of course. Links tentacled into several other murder cases of females in Perth came about after. But where did this end? Ok, some may say that slight DNA that might link to someone who tried on a dress in Claremont before the final buyer bought the dress... Was the CSK a party goer?, Did he have a ponytail? You really have to look at the Suburb & who could/ would have done this. Plus did he have a place nearby in the suburb or near that? Was he a Taxi Driver? Did he shove off when DNA as going to be asked? Was Dixie really in Claremont cooking up a dish & then doing what he did with Sally Anne Bowman et al repeated? I am putting this out as I am not happy at all with the Changing of the guard at the Special Crime Squad as of the last few days. The SCS lost a good bloke and IMHO That is where it will end at 19 years & 9 months.

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

Here's the link regarding Jim Stanbury being taken off the case:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa...off-cold-case/

My initial thoughts:
You wouldn't remove the head of the taskforce if a breakthrough was imminent. Meaning, nothing is happening. Lot's of investigation and follow up. No real belief results are on the near horizon.
So what reason is there NOT to have a coronial inquest? I had the impression police were arguing they were close to a break-through so a coronial inquest shouldn't be held?
Bring on the coronial inquest please.

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Sutton

he post about the CSK was made on April 5 or 6, 2013. Mel's link should direct you to the correct post.
The comment is one of the last comments made under the post. It shows up as July 2 or 3 (as of right now it is the third to last comment).

I've looked but can't find it. Can someone be more specific please. I've searched Dixie's name as well as the dates and can't find the comment. Can someone poster the user's name perhaps?

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by Sutton

Does anyone remember hearing any details from/about the bouncer? Not suggesting he's guilty or anything. Was his name Thor? Did he have long blonde hair or hair permed into an afro?

I just read a long, convoluted story and was curious. 

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.as...urnames.wilson

I don't recall a bouncer with a blonde perm called Thor. The only bouncer I recall is the head bouncer who from memory had an Asian background.
Anyone else who used to go to Club have any recollection of a mullet-laden demi-God called Thor?

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Sutton

Frustrating!! The photofit is likely in The Mirror archives and the West Australian archives. The Mirror is £9.95 for 48 hours. I might sign up for that in the near future. The West is still on microfilm for 2002, so the only access is at the state library.

Still, it should be online somewhere...

The article from our posts says the attacker had a ponytail. Does that apply to any of our known POIs? Also,
this article says the girl was walking on Palmerston St. Is this considered a safe area? 
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/man-a...ralia-1.420218

Also missing from Palmerston St is Lisa Brown:

http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/mis...0jane%20-%20wa

It's an area where street hookers abound, and the same area Con Bayens was running his taskforce on street prostitution and came across the guy with the plastic lined boot and abduction kit.
I think Donald Morey had a P-banger and my favourite for plastic lined boot man.

09-10-2015 Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by Parkie

Ok, some may say that slight DNA that might link to someone who tried on a dress in Claremont before the final buyer bought the dress... Was the CSK a party goer?, Did he have a ponytail?

I have never heard this before. Do you have some type of source?

One of the biggest problems with this case from an armchair detective views is misinformation. Posters who plant theories as fact which then get picked up by other posters at a later date and before we know it, there's untruths added to the mix.

I personally, as well as some other poster have spent time verifying everything as fact (JR went to HSHS), fiction (there is no evidence the girls were drugged), not yet known (SS worked at BSD), or theory (The CSK had a taxi).

Please make an effort to specify where you got your information from.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page40

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

9-10-2015- Sutton

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

I've looked but can't find it. Can someone be more specific please. I've searched MD's name as well as the dates and can't find the comment. Can someone poster the user's name perhaps?

Oops. I posted July 2 or 3. It's actually June 2 or 3 (depending on your time zone, I think). His initials are CS. Still third to last comment.

<modsnip>

Last edited by bessie; 10-12-2015 at 07:10 AMReason: Snipped link to FB page - TOS violation. Individual is not a named suspect.

9-10-2015- Sutton

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

Also missing from Palmerston St is Lisa Brown:

http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/mis...0jane%20-%20wa

It's an area where street hookers abound, and the same area Con Bayens was running his taskforce on street prostitution and came across the guy with the plastic lined boot and abduction kit.
I think Donald Morey had a P-banger and my favourite for plastic lined boot man.

BBM. Good observation.

Summary of assaults/disappearances possibly committed by Donald Morey (thus unrelated to the CSK): 

Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)
Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing 
(last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)
Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)
Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)
Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

10-10-2015- Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Sutton

Oops. I posted July 2 or 3. It's actually June 2 or 3 (depending on your time zone, I think). His initials are CS. Still third to last comment.

Here's Mel1303's link again:
https://m.facebook.com/PerthThievesC...51295611706618

A guy says he is sure MD aka ST was working as a chef at The Cott at the time of SS disappearance. 
I strongly believe he is mistaken. MD was ruled out and it wouldn't have been through DNA. I've read that police believe he wasn't in Perth for SS and can only assume that is the basis for him being ruled out. MD's penchant for disorganised attacks is also the complete opposite of the CSK's MO.

Last edited by bessie; 10-12-2015 at 07:07 AM. Reason: snipped quoted post, and name of person who is not a suspect. Ya know, TOS.

10-10-2015- JMC44

Man killed himself, allegedly left a suicide note confessing to certain crimes. Police have looked into links between him and the Claremont murders, but have not found any so far. Article: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-1...r-case/6843802

11-10-2015- Parkie 

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

I have never heard this before. Do you have some type of source?
One of the biggest problems with this case from an armchair detective views is misinformation. Posters who plant theories as fact which then get picked up by other posters at a later date and before we know it, there's untruths added to the mix.
I personally, as well as some other poster have spent time verifying everything as fact (JR went to HSHS), fiction (there is no evidence the girls were drugged), not yet known (SS worked at BSD), or theory (The CSK had a taxi).
Please make an effort to specify where you got your information from.

Look the Dress being tried on by another lady is nothing. All I was alluding to is a lady might have tried one on before say a victim bought it. It was nothing & hinting at nothing.Ie; DNA at site could be of anyone. 

So Richard Dorrough as per the front page of the West Australian, admitted to murdering Sarah Davey in Broome. Also admitted to murdering Rachael Campbell, a street worker in Syd. Richard was a navy guy, and was on shore leave in Broome when Ms Davy disappeared. Lived all over the country & also New Zealand. He was questioned re Rachaels death & said he was just a paying guy like any other. He was let off.

12-10-2015-north_west

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

I don't recall a bouncer with a blonde perm called Thor. The only bouncer I recall is the head bouncer who from memory had an Asian background.
Anyone else who used to go to Club have any recollection of a mullet-laden demi-God called Thor?

I don't recall a Thor. I do recall the bouncer you described (CL).

12-10-2015-Sutton 

A while back, enzeder sent me a link to this article. It's old, so most of you have probably read it, but it has some interesting details. 
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/fa...-free-1.149685
This article is on the same website and is from 1997:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish...killer-1.58756
I haven't seen either of these articles "discussed" anywhere, but they probably were at some point. Maybe I will go through the BF thread to find obscure articles...

12-10-2015-Bartholemeus

From the first article:

A member of the Macro Taskforce said last week that the suspect, a 42-year-old civil servant, was driving home from work to his parents' house as we spoke. "He is a quiet, introverted, insignificant member of the community and the person we strongly believe is the Claremont serial killer," he said. The vital evidence they need for a conviction is proving elusive, however.
My understanding is that the case against LW was extremely compelling but they just didn't have the smoking gun. Jim Stanbury seems to have been busy behind the scenes for the last 7 years chasing down every alternative theory and come up with nothing.
The fact that the murders stopped after LW was identified by police just adds to the compelling case against him.
I think people have blinkers on if they don't don't think LW is a very strong suspect.

12-10-2015-billywhizz 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1111114984236

13-10-2015-Bartholemeus

So was Stanbury looking out for Caporn or was he just toeing the company line as to not burn bridges? I'm ruling out incompetence.
Standard police culture - look after each other at all costs and never admit to any mistakes. Ever.

13-10-2015-billywhizz 

 Originally Posted by Sutton

A while back, enzeder sent me a link to this article. It's old, so most of you have probably read it, but it has some interesting details. 
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/fa...-free-1.149685

I haven't seen either of these articles "discussed" anywhere, but they probably were at some point. Maybe I will go through the BF thread to find obscure articles...

Sutton - there is a paragraph in one of the articles you quoted:
Denis Glennon sits in the boardroom of Western Australian Environmental Protection Authority (EPA) where he has just finished a board meeting. As managing director of Environmental Solutions International, a waste processing and disposal company, he was recently appointed to the board of the EPA.
Is that the same board that the creeper from Noel Coward's wake video sat on? The one that tasked Noel with doing his job basically (ie reducing pollution in Cockburn Sound)?

13-10-2015-enzeder 

Originally Posted by Sutton

A while back, enzeder sent me a link to this article. It's old, so most of you have probably read it, but it has some interesting details. 
http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/fa...-free-1.149685

This article is on the same website and is from 1997:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish...killer-1.58756

I haven't seen either of these articles "discussed" anywhere, but they probably were at some point. Maybe I will go through the BF thread to find obscure articles...

Thanks Sutton - Also, this has probably been posted before but I hadn't read it until recently. The guy with the plastic lined boot is up there on my list of suspects despite what they said in their response to 'Sunday Night'. Judoman is my #1 suspect though.

Sunday Night received this response from WA Police regarding Con Bayen's evidence, which he claims was disregarded by the Macro Taskforce:

May 31, 2015: 
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-nig...investigation/

13-10-2015-billywhizz 

OK.. I have a couple of holes in the story of LW the expert stalker.

SS left Club Bay View, walked to telephone booth. Most likely down St Quentin Ave
Men in car at lights saw a car come from under the underpass on Stirling Road, which means that car was either on Shenton Road or Claremont crescent previously.
So LW nowhere near SS and unable to stalk her.
JR left Claremont Hotel, walked to Club Bay View, then back to Claremont hotel and waited outside. St Quentin Ave is one way street (so how would LW have stalked her once she had decide to go back to Claremont hotel?). He would be down the end of the Quentin Ave (unable to turn around) and have no idea they'd even returned to Claremont hotel and separated as a group.
CG walking down Stirling Hwy. Stalking along Stirling Hwy would surely be noticed? Would have taken her max 5mins, and if stalking, depending on the way she took, you'd probably have to drive over a median strip to make it onto the other side of the road?
If him, it seems like there was hardly any 'stalking' involved. I think latest blitz attack article is more likely than 'stalking'.
If he was caught in a sting trawling slowly after girls, why did he change his MO from the first three victims where it seems much more likely that the CSK happened upon them, rather than following them for an extensive period of time.

13-10-2015-Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by enzeder

Thanks Sutton - Also, this has probably been posted before but I hadn't read it until recently. The guy with the plastic lined boot is up there on my list of suspects despite what they said in their response to 'Sunday Night'. Judoman is my #1 suspect though.
Sunday Night received this response from WA Police regarding Con Bayen's evidence, which he claims was disregarded by the Macro Taskforce:

May 31, 2015: 
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-nig...investigation/

Police: We got the information and investigated it.

Bayens: I deny that Police ever told me the findings

Barts: Police never claimed they provided CB with a follow up. They simply said they investigated it.

Hard to know who to believe but suffice to say, CB would have seen a lot of incompetence, agenda following and corruption during his time so it's no surprise that he believes they never followed it up.

13-10-2015-Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by billywhizz 

OK.. I have a couple of holes in the story of LW the expert stalker.

SS left Club Bay View, walked to telephone booth. Most likely down St Quentin Ave
Men in car at lights saw a car come from under the underpass on Stirling Road, which means that car was either on Shenton Road or Claremont crescent previously.
So LW nowhere near SS and unable to stalk her.
JR left Claremont Hotel, walked to Club Bay View, then back to Claremont hotel and waited outside. St Quentin Ave is one way street (so how would LW have stalked her once she had decide to go back to Claremont hotel?). He would be down the end of the Quentin Ave (unable to turn around) and have no idea they'd even returned to Claremont hotel and separated as a group.
CG walking down Stirling Hwy. Stalking along Stirling Hwy would surely be noticed? Would have taken her max 5mins, and if stalking, depending on the way she took, you'd probably have to drive over a median strip to make it onto the other side of the road?
If him, it seems like there was hardly any 'stalking' involved. I think latest blitz attack article is more likely than 'stalking'.
If he was caught in a sting trawling slowly after girls, why did he change his MO from the first three victims where it seems much more likely that the CSK happened upon them, rather than following them for an extensive period of time.

Who said he had to stalk them? He was an expert stalker (I could say allegedly but it's highly likely it's true) but it's hardly a stretch for him to stalk when he's not killing and lie in wait or do laps until he came across an isolated target.
With SS the CSK most likely did one of two things, a) wait in his car on Stirling Rd for a girl to appear at the phone box, or b) do laps of the Claremont perimeter look for opportunities. Keep in mind if he sat in his car facing south then the phone box is on the other side of the road so the lap theory is more plausible.
It's not a stretch for LW to stalk women 2 nights per week by watching and following but when it comes to the murders he refined his strategy because he was doing something different.
I don't see this any more a flaw as the numerous flaws in each POI's situation.
To me the biggest flaw in LW theory is the living witness theory. For him to be the CSK he must have approached each victim by car (blitz attack possible) and convinced them to get in the car. To my knowledge there is not one woman who came forward and said "one night I was waiting for a cab and LW approached me and offered me a lift but I declined". That means LW had to have a 100% success ratio.
That is, without a doubt, the biggest flaw in the case against LW.







 



Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?299185-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-4/page89

WA Police appear to have changed the actual statement the three boys gave who sat on the bus stop in Stirling Highway who were the last known people to see Ciara Glennon alive on Stirling Highway that night..
One of the boys said he did not see any car stop and did not see Ciara Glennon stand with her hands on her knees talking to the occupants of a light coloured car ..
The other boy said to the police that he only saw the break lights of a car come on, but never saw the actual car stop..
He did apparently say
"that girl will go missing tonight"

18th April, 2016 Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by Frankie1972

There was no car that stopped that night

You should call the police and let them know.
Regardless, all 3 girls got into a car. It wasn't a boat, helicopter or invisible jet, and they didn't walk to their drop zones. They got in a car. So where is the kill zone?

18th April, 2016 – 88MPH

I've put a request in to the site admin to create sub-folders for CSK. Currently good discussion on a POI is too easily derailed - fingers crossed they implement.

Frankie1972 - Verified Insider - Claremont SK

They may have got in a car but no car stopped that night on Stirling hwy

18th April, 2016 GreenDevil 

Originally Posted by Frankie1972

They may have got in a car but no car stopped that night on Stirling hwy

How do you know that? Were you walking along Stirling Highway all night that night?

18th April, 2016 - GreenDevil

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

So let's assume that it's correct that throats were slit;

Where was the kill site? Police have always believed publicly that the girls were killed soon after and close by. I assume the reason is that it would be hard to control the girls all the way to the outside of the metro area.
Strangling makes most sense but there's a strong suggestion throats were cut and this post/sub-thread is a hypothesis that throats were cut.

So where did he do it? He must have had to pull over somewhere.

We know 2 girls were heading west and the driver would have known that. He might have had a pre-determined point to feign running out of petrol or breakdown?

What about JR? Was she heading west? Or did he also have a pre-determined place heading east? 

Or did he just wing it? He must have got out of the car and not on a main road.

Did he asks the girls to reach down to the passenger floor and pick up something and then thwap (might submit that new word to Oxford Dictionary) them with some sort of thin pointed instrument?

Where did he do it, and how did he do it without getting much blood in his car?

JR's abduction has always been the one that has intrigued me the most, as she was seen on CCTV one second then gone the next. She looked as though she was waiting for someone to pick her up, or waiting outside CBV for someone to come out or walk past. I think it is most likely that a car trolled past and offered her a lift or proposed to her they were driving somewhere to a party etc and asked if she would accompany them. 

I think it's a good possibility that the girls were murdered within a 5km radius of Claremont. Maybe a business premises? At the cemetery? At the army barracks (Irwin) somewhere secluded obviously.

28th April, 2016 - Frankie1972

No I was the last to see her on the night and it's not like the documentary said ‘’a car stopped’ because it did not happen. 
But good luck with all your scenarios you should be able to solve the case soon.

Frankie1972

You think greendevil at the cemetery or arm barracks make up your mind

18th April, 2016 - Mel 1303 

Frankie, are you able to contact a mod and become a verified insider? Thank you.

18th April, 2016 GreenDevil

Originally Posted by Frankie1972

No I was the last to see her on the night and it's not like the documents said a car stopped because it did not happen. 
But good luck with all your scenarios you should be able to solve the case soon.

I think you might want to redact that statement. If you were the last one to see her on the night, that makes you the Claremont Serial Kilker! Case solved!

18th April, 2016 - Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Frankie1972 

They may have got in a car but no car stopped that night on Stirling hwy

- THE CIA doco said 3 dudes were at HJ's bus stop and saw CG talking to the occupant/s of a white car.
- You claim to be one of these dudes

Previously, I'm pretty sure you said you didn't see anything because you weren't looking and couldn't verify if you friend saw it or not. Now you're saying a car definitely didn't stop.

Can you please clarify this discrepency?

18th April, 2016 - firestarter

Originally Posted by Frankie1972 

No I was the last to see her on the night and it's not like the documents said a car stopped because it did not happen. 
But good luck with all your scenarios you should be able to solve the case soon.

Are you referring to JR or CG here?

18th April, 2016 - billywhizz

Originally Posted by Frankie1972

They may have got in a car but no car stopped that night on Stirling hwy

you said on BF forum you were with your friends at the bus stop that night. You guys are the three mentioned in the CIA documentary.

you said on BF your mate was the one who saw the car. now you say there was no car.

this is you and your friends:
"Murder suspect drove Holden wagon
A young man warned murder victim Ciara Glennon not to get into a white Holden station wagon the night she disappeared from Claremont.
The man and two others waiting at a bus stop near Christ Church on Stirling Highway saw her talking to the occupants of the car.
She had her knees bent and the palms of her hands resting on her knees to bring her down to the car's passenger window level.
One of the men called out to her that she was stupid to hitch-hike.
Ms Glennon looked up and waved him off with a middle finger sign, and continued talking to the car occupants.
The young men at the bus-stop looked away. When they looked back, both Ms Glennon and the car had disappeared."


also you and your friends:

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/200...news/001.shtml
blob:https://www.youtube.com/c8179187-d561-42d6-abbb-54430f117fdd

are you saying this is all a fabrication?
are you saying your friend never saw a car, let alone differentiated between a ford and a holden, and none of you yelled out or said anything to ciara?
can you post more than one sentence at a time so it can all be cleared up in one post?
thanks

18th April, 2016 - billywhizz

Originally Posted by Frankie1972

No I was the last to see her on the night and it's not like the documents said a car stopped because it did not happen. 
But good luck with all your scenarios you should be able to solve the case soon

this is you on BF:
why did your friend lie to police?
"i was one of the three guys at the bus stop that night my friend said a car stop that night but I see no car that night stop "
"I did not see a car "
"One of my friend said he saw a car "
"We left the cont about 12.00am and walk to hungry jack to buy some food.
After we received our food we sat down outside hungry jack at a bus stop on Stirling Highway.
Then we notices one girl walking on the other side of the road about 12.20am and one of my friend said you’re crazy for hitchhiking. CG just waved her hands to us and kept on walking passed.
My friend said that girl is going to go missing tonight (I do not remember much from that night.)
So the night was over and we court a taxi home.
On the Monday my friend ring me and said remember that girl who walked passed us on Friday in Claremont, she has gone missing, I ring the police and there was 3 police cars at my house in 20 minutes.
My friend came over to my house to talk to the police.
In my statement to the police I remember a girl walking pass with a black dress and white top on.
To tell you the truth I do not remember much from the night but I did not see a car stop to talk to her that night.
My other friend said to the police that the girl was walking pass with a white top black dress and she was putting on her black jacket as she was walking down the road, he also said that a car stop and was talking to her."

18th April, 2016 - Frankie1972- Verified Insider - Claremont SK

Bart I talked to him and he said a car did not stop he only seen the brake lights come on and that's what he told the police

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?299185-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-4/page90

18th April, 2016  Frankie1972 -Verified Insider - Claremont SK

Originally Posted by billywhizz

you said on BF forum you were with your friends at the bus stop that night. You guys are the three mentioned in the CIA documentary.

you said on BF your mate was the one who saw the car. now you say there was no car.
http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/200...news/001.shtml

blob:https://www.youtube.com/c8179187-d561-42d6-abbb-54430f117fdd
this is you and your friends:
"Murder suspect drove Holden wagon
A young man warned murder victim Ciara Glennon not to get into a white Holden station wagon the night she disappeared from Claremont.
The man and two others waiting at a bus stop near Christ Church on Stirling Highway saw her talking to the occupants of the car.
She had her knees bent and the palms of her hands resting on her knees to bring her down to the car's passenger window level.
One of the men called out to her that she was stupid to hitch-hike.
Ms Glennon looked up and waved him off with a middle finger sign, and continued talking to the car occupants.
The young men at the bus-stop looked away. When they looked back, both Ms Glennon and the car had disappeared."

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/200...news/001.shtml

http://www.postnewspapers.com.au/200...news/001.shtml

blob:https://www.youtube.com/c8179187-d561-42d6-abbb-54430f117fdd
also you and your friends:

are you saying this is all a fabrication?
are you saying your friend never saw a car, let alone differentiated between a ford and a holden, and none of you yelled out or said anything to ciara?
can you post more than one sentence at a time so it can all be cleared up in one post?
thanks

that's a load of **** my friend did yelled out to CG that night he said to her she was crazy for hitchhiking and she just waved her hands in the air and kept walking down the road

18th April, 2016 Frankie1972 - Verified Insider - Claremont SK

Originally Posted by Firestarter

 Cg

18th April, 2016  Frankie1972 -Verified Insider - Claremont SK

Originally Posted by billywhizz

this is you on BF:
why did your friend lie to police?
"i was one of the three guys at the bus stop that night my friend said a car stop that night but I see no car that night stop "
"I did not see a car "
"One of my friend said he saw a car "
"We left the cont about 12.00am and walk to hungry jack to buy some food.
After we received our food we sat down outside hungry jack at a bus stop on Stirling Highway.
Then we notices one girl walking on the other side of the road about 12.20am and one of my friend said you’re crazy for hitchhiking. CG just waved her hands to us and kept on walking passed.
My friend said that girl is going to go missing tonight (I do not remember much from that night.)
So the night was over and we court a taxi home.
On the Monday my friend ring me and said remember that girl who walked passed us on Friday in Claremont, she has gone missing, I ring the police and there was 3 police cars at my house in 20 minutes.
My friend came over to my house to talk to the police.
In my statement to the police I remember a girl walking pass with a black dress and white top on.
To tell you the truth I do not remember much from the night but I did not see a car stop to talk to her that night.

My other friend said to the police that the girl was walking pass with a white top black dress and she was putting on her black jacket as she was walking down the road, he also said that a car stop and was talking to her."

Yes about a month ago I did ring him and talked to him about that night. He only said a car may have slow down and he seen the brake light, than I ask him did a car stop that night and he said no I only seen lights brake lights come on

18th April, 2016 - billywhizz

if you are 100% your mate didn't see a car....
then the CIA doco and that Post article about three men seeing a holden, rather than a Ford came out at the same time in 2008
but the Post says the fibers they found on JR were only tested in 2011. 
so how did they know it was a Holden and why did they make up that the Holden stopped and was talking to CG? and why only report it 11 years later?

18th April, 2016 -  Sutton

Originally Posted by Frankie1972

Bart I talked to him and he said a car did not stop he only seen the brake lights come on and that's what he told the police

Bart I talked to him and he said a car did not stop he only seen the brake lights come on and that's what he told the police

18th April, 2016 - Frankie1972- Verified Insider - Claremont SK

Originally Posted by Sutton

Hang in there, Frankie. 

Maybe police got a tip about a white station wagon, but couldn't reveal the source. So they just stretched Frankie's friend's version of the story and claimed he was the source, in order to get the station wagon theory out there. Frankie said they were all pretty drunk that night. It seems like police would not release the white station wagon fact based on an account of three inebriated guys who weren't paying that much attention.

My friend did say to the police about a white station wagon but that was by the brake light.

18th April, 2016 GreenDevil 

Originally Posted by Frankie1972

My friend did say to the police about a white station wagon but that was by the brake light.

Tell us what you recall seeing that night Frankie?

18th April, 2016  elastic 

Originally Posted by billywhizz

if you are 100% your mate didn't see a car....

then the CIA doco and that Post article aibout three men seeing a holden, rather than a Ford came out at the same time in 2008

but the Post says the fibers they found on JR were only tested in 2011. 

so how did they know it was a Holden and why did they make up that the Holden stopped and was talking to CG? and why only report it 11 years later?

We were actually discussing this some months back, it may have been earlier in this thread, or the previous thread, but Frankie did tell us the car must have been stationary, he said he would have noticed a car going passed him that time of night, and that the friend recognised the brake lights and assumed it was white.
Frankie, did your friend actually see the colour white or just assume?
Billwhiz, Frankie also contacted his friend to rehash his story for us via request on this or the previous thread.
If Frankie is genuine then the Police were spreading misinformation.. If I recall Frankie does not believe his friend saw the Ciara bend down towards a car. Which means it could have been made up. 
Was this car with brake lights stationed in a car park bay on the street, or a legally parked part of the street, or was it in theory illegally parked?

18th April, 2016- elastic

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

So let's assume that it's correct that throats were slit;
Where was the kill site? Police have always believed publicly that the girls were killed soon after and close by. I assume the reason is that it would be hard to control the girls all the way to the outside of the metro area.
Strangling makes most sense but there's a strong suggestion throats were cut and this post/sub-thread is a hypothesis that throats were cut.
So where did he do it? He must have had to pull over somewhere.
We know 2 girls were heading west and the driver would have known that. He might have had a pre-determined point to feign running out of petrol or breakdown?
What about JR? Was she heading west? Or did he also have a pre-determined place heading east? 
Or did he just wing it? He must have got out of the car and not on a main road.
Did he asks the girls to reach down to the passenger floor and pick up something and then thwap (might submit that new word to Oxford Dictionary) them with some sort of thin pointed instrument?
Where did he do it, and how did he do it without getting much blood in his car?

Ok this needs to be put to bed because without any source this in itself is misinformation.
There is a newspaper article that lists 'strangulation' as the method of killing. Even if that is not a genuine source, it is assumed it was not subjected to WA's media gag orders.. It had an insight into the killings because Ciara Glennons dad spoke to them in detail. He may have tipped the newspaper off.
If lets say that is not a correct method we still know 'washing line' played a crucial role in the abduction.
Bart, can you please list where you got this information from about the victims having their throats cut, you keep broadcasting it like its a fact and hold others to another level when they speculate on their theories based on what we know from the case.
If their necks were cut is this information from Debbie Marshalls book, exclusively?
Strangulation is cleaner, easier to transport, less evidence and fits in with the now known BLITZ ATTACK theory which is from Police developments in the case.
Also you stated that the police believed the girls were killed nearby, i have also heard suggestions that they were killed near the dump site, not at the dump site, so again where do you get this theory from about them being killed close by, from what we know of Karrakatta I wouldnt be surprised if this was the kill site... My opinion.

18th April, 2016 - Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by elastic

Ok this needs to be put to bed because without any source this in itself is misinformation.
There is a newspaper article that lists 'strangulation' as the method of killing. Even if that is not a genuine source, it is assumed it was not subjected to WA's media gag orders.. It had an insight into the killings because Ciara Glennons dad spoke to them in detail. He may have tipped the newspaper off.
If lets say that is not a correct method we still know 'washing line' played a crucial role in the abduction.
Bart, can you please list where you got this information from about the victims having their throats cut, you keep broadcasting it like its a fact and hold others to another level when they speculate on their theories based on what we know from the case.
If their necks were cut is this information from Debbie Marshalls book, exclusively?
Strangulation is cleaner, easier to transport, less evidence and fits in with the now known BLITZ ATTACK theory which is from Police developments in the case.
Also you stated that the police believed the girls were killed nearby, i have also heard suggestions that they were killed near the dump site, not at the dump site, so again where do you get this theory from about them being killed close by, from what we know of Karrakatta I wouldnt be surprised if this was the kill site... My opinion.

What is it you don't understand about a hypothetical?

18th April, 2016 - Parkie 

You mention Karrakatta being the inbetween site? What about Point Resolution. Great views, was an old rock quarry. & is relatively quiet. Just a guess, ok.#
Re the throat cut theory I think it Was Professor Barclay from the UK who hinted at that. It`s mentioned in Debi Marshalls book.

18th April, 2016 - GreenDevil 

Originally Posted by elastic

Ok this needs to be put to bed because without any source this in itself is misinformation.

There is a newspaper article that lists 'strangulation' as the method of killing. Even if that is not a genuine source, it is assumed it was not subjected to WA's media gag orders.. It had an insight into the killings because Ciara Glennons dad spoke to them in detail. He may have tipped the newspaper off.

If lets say that is not a correct method we still know 'washing line' played a crucial role in the abduction.

Bart, can you please list where you got this information from about the victims having their throats cut, you keep broadcasting it like its a fact and hold others to another level when they speculate on their theories based on what we know from the case.

If their necks were cut is this information from Debbie Marshalls book, exclusively?

Strangulation is cleaner, easier to transport, less evidence and fits in with the now known BLITZ ATTACK theory which is from Police developments in the case.

Also you stated that the police believed the girls were killed nearby, i have also heard suggestions that they were killed near the dump site, not at the dump site, so again where do you get this theory from about them being killed close by, from what we know of Karrakatta I wouldnt be surprised if this was the kill site... My opinion

Have you got the source that says washing line played a crucial role in the abductions?

18th April, 2016 - Frankie1972 Verified Insider - Claremont SK

Originally Posted by Mel 1303

Frankie, are you able to contact a mod and become a verified insider? Thank you.

I don't think I'd have the support from the other members

18th April, 2016  STANDREID 

What articles of clothing were missing from the two women who were found?

 18th April, 2016 - Sutton

Originally Posted by STANDREID

What articles of clothing were missing from the two women who were found?

To my knowledge:

From Jane Rimmer: everything, jeans/pants, long-sleeved shirt, jumper/cardigan, undergarments, dark shoes, purse. Her watch was found in grasses near the road close to her disposal site. 
From Ciara Glennon: she was still wearing a blouse and skirt, but her suit jacket, shoes, purse, and Claddagh brooch are missing.
That's not official though, maybe someone else has slightly different information.

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?299185-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-4/page91

19th April, 2016 - elleAU

I think it's also important to note (especially for those who are international), that the local rumour mill with regards to this case is, and always has been, c.r.a.z.y. I guess the different comments and opinions that come through these threads are a testament to that. To this day, you can strike up a conversation with random people in Perth about the CSK and you will be met with all sorts of "well I heard", "I know a cop who says..." etc. For example, I have personally been told, in no uncertain terms, "they have their man, they just don't have enough for the charges to stick." I am sure other locals have heard the rumours of injuries sustained by these women also (including one that would immobilise a victim quite quickly, but once again - who knows). It is 20 years on and we still don't know the causes of death. Just more rumours and more speculation. The mystery and secrecy with regards to this case has resulted in so many opinions trying to be passed off as fact (as we see in here unfortunately). IMHO, I agree with others who say that the earliest reports from WAPOL are probably the most reliable, because it wasn't long before everything went very hush hush. The clothing items are a perfect example of this. Anyway, I just wanted to add this for those interstate/international sleuths trying to wade through the information.

19th April, 2016

Frankie1972 Verified Insider - Claremont SK

[QUOTE=elastic;12474656]We were actually discussing this some months back, it may have been earlier in this thread, or the previous thread, but Frankie did tell us the car must have been stationary, he said he would have noticed a car going passed him that time of night, and that the friend recognised the brake lights and assumed it was white.
Frankie, did your friend actually see the colour white or just assume?
Billwhiz, Frankie also contacted his friend to rehash his story for us via request on this or the previous thread.
If Frankie is genuine then the Police were spreading misinformation.. If I recall Frankie does not believe his friend saw the Ciara bend down towards a car. Which means it could have been made up
Was this car with brake lights stationed in a car park bay on the street, or a legally parked part of the street, or was it in theory illegally parked?[/QUOTE 
that night when she walked passed us on the other side of the road my friend yelled out to her she was crazy for hitchhiking
and he also said that girl is going to go missing tonight.Then He said he seen some brake lights come on from a car going the same way as CG and he describe the make of the car as a station wagon. He did tell the police a white station wagon.

19th April, 2016 – Laymaker

Sutton, you say that JR's watch was found a bit away from her body. This is interesting. I would like to see users put forth theories as to the possible meaning of this information. I would also like to see verification if it's available but you are one of the ~3 users I trust so that is of secondary importance.

19th April, 2016 – Sutton

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

Originally Posted by Laymaker

Sutton, you say that JR's watch was found a bit away from her body. This is interesting. I would like to see users put forth theories as to the possible meaning of this information. I would also like to see verification if it's available but you are one of the ~3 users I trust so that is of secondary importance

This article published in the on 30 May 1998 mentions Jane's watch:
Who killed these women? - The hunt for a serial killer - Part 1 
Her watch was found, giving police clues about which they refused to talk. But there is evidence Ms Rimmer was killed and dumped within hours of her abduction.#
Debi Marshall wrote (Chapter 10, Location 610):
The only piece of jewellery found, much later, is Jane's watch, a small distance from her body.
I don't know where I read 'grasses'--still looking for that article. 
Was the killer taking it as a souvenir or getting rid of possible evidence? Did it just fall off her wrist?
Kind of interesting that Karrakatta's license was dropped in Rowe Park. That's two dropped items. 

http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps...0601_0220_2955

Last edited by Sutton; 04-19-2016 at 07:22 AM

19th April, 2016 - elastic

 Originally Posted by Sutton

To my knowledge:
From Jane Rimmer: everything, jeans/pants, long-sleeved shirt, jumper/cardigan, undergarments, dark shoes, purse. Her watch was found in grasses near the road close to her disposal site. 
From Ciara Glennon: she was still wearing a blouse and skirt, but her suit jacket, shoes, purse, and Claddagh brooch are missing.
That's not official though, maybe someone else has slightly different information.

If that is true and Jane was not sexually assaulted/ raped, then could that mean the CSK wrestled with the victim, potentially get hairs and evidence all over the victims clothing, and stripped the clothing and disposed of it to hide the evidence. If this were the case he may have struggled to get her under control, ended up in a scuffle, and left possible evidence everywhere. It is very likely the killer wore gloves.
If Ciara did have all her clothes and just a few particular items had disappeared could that also mean that she was hit with force, or a blunt forced object, or maybe king hit to such a high level of force that she was knocked out, or almost killed, and was easy to tie up and transport meaning the killer didn't feel a need to hide the clothing. 
If we entertained Barts unsubstantiated theory that the CSK victims may have had their throats cut then what is not clear is whether this happened whilst the victims were conscious, or unconscious. Its likely the victims made it all the way to near the dump site before having their throats cut, and then possibly disposed of nearby to minimise the amount of transport with the dead body inside the vehicle. They could have gone to an intermediate area, a park, or the cemetery, or even an industrial building or a house and killed them there too but it would be quite risky transporting these victims such huge distances with blood all over them, However if you lined your boot in plastic and then just dumped them off of a road 50km either side of the river then the likely hood of anyone looking in the boot for the body is very minimal providing you are not intoxicated whilst transporting the bodies. A Police officer is unlikely to check the boot of your vehicle unless he could hear someone tapping on the boot from inside, and this wouldn't happen if the CSK victims were dead with their throats cut.
Now if we entertain Barts unsubstantiated theory some more we can assume then that the CSK may have gotten his own blood on the blood stained shirt of Jane or maybe other evidence that could be used to link him, and with Ciara maybe he demobilised her easily enough that he could just tie her up and kill her knowing he would not leave evidence. If Jane was a struggle then the DNA or other evidence could have been everywhere mixed with her blood and and he may have panicked.
I wonder where these items of jewelry/accessories ended up, I can see why people entertain the copy cat theory with the Birnies when you look at what jewelry/accessories may have gone missing from the CSK case, it would be fit for a woman from a low socioeconomic background to maybe keep and use these items. But its very possible a male killer may want these items too, I have read of many killers keeping things like shoes and jewelry so that could not be ruled out also and probably more likely than a female wanting the items.

19th April, 2016 elastic

Originally Posted by Frankie1972 

[ELASTIC SAYS:We were actually discussing this some months back, it may have been earlier in this thread, or the previous thread, but Frankie did tell us the car must have been stationary, he said he would have noticed a car going passed him that time of night, and that the friend recognised the brake lights and assumed it was white.

Frankie, did your friend actually see the colour white or just assume?

Billwhiz, Frankie also contacted his friend to rehash his story for us via request on this or the previous thread.

If Frankie is genuine then the Police were spreading misinformation.. If I recall Frankie does not believe his friend saw the Ciara bend down towards a car. Which means it could have been made up

Was this car with brake lights stationed in a car park bay on the street, or a legally parked part of the street, or was it in theory illegally parked?[/QUOTE


that night when she walked passed us on the other side of the road my friend yelled out to her she was crazy for hitchhiking
and he also said that girl is going to go missing tonight.Then He said he seen some brake lights come on from a car going the same way as CG and he describe the make of the car as a station wagon. He did tell the police a white station wagon.

Thank you for clarifying this, I remmeber it originally taking about 30 messages to get a story out of you that was coherent. That last sentence hugely clarifys the situation.

So it is likely that car your mate saw with the brake lights was the CSK, and if the victim and perp were out of sight then your friend could not have seen the CSK easily just pull up knock her out and taken her to the kill spot, how long were you guys at the bus stop for, do you remmeber hearing any screams or seeing Lance Williams face out and about that night?

Last edited by elastic; 04-19-2016 at 08:39 AMReason: Originally read wrongly

19th April, 2016 – 88mph

JR being naked is interesting as it differentiates Karrakatta and GC who were left with clothes on. Also, JR was the only victim not on the outskirts of Claremont (as far as we know). 
Is it possible CSK roamed central Claremont and hit on JR and got lucky? Got her back to his place and got to third base, then perhaps flipped when he couldn't get what he wanted?? 
Reasoning, she was naked and in my experience during sex with my girlfriend who is a willing participant, getting her clothes off can be a struggle at the best of times. I can't imagine how difficult this would be when someone is fighting you off. Did JR help CSK to get herself naked? 
Police suggest they're unsure if she was raped which also supports the willingness theory. You also have to ask why she was naked in the first place, CSK is a sex attacker and wouldn't have attacked and undressed for no reason. So why did the police suggest they were unsure if she was raped? 
Roaming central Claremont and hitting on JR seems outside the blitz theory however it links to the laneway attack behind CBV and the person approaching women on St Quentin the night before GC was taken.

19th April, 2016 - Elwood_1 

Stirling Hwy outside of Jacks was pretty well lit at night, as was the car park. From memory there was a big floodlight on the east side of the carpark to keep the bogans illuminated, and I believe another facing the bus stop out the front. 
On the night Sarah went missing it would have been really busy with people going home late after the fireworks, and there wasn't a lot of places to get food between Perth and Freo at that time of night, so the Jacks drive through was always busy. Plus, they did the best bacon double cheese burgers in Perth. 
A blitz attack would be fairly fast, but at that time of night there would have been a lot of traffic and people moving around. Just look at the security video, there were people everywhere. I think standing in the middle of the highway with a parked car wrestling with a screaming girl would be very unlikely to go unobserved.
He had another method of getting them into his car, and they probably got in voluntarily IMHO. If they were blitzed, it was later when they realized that he wasn't taking them where they wanted to go, and that would have required getting to somewhere secluded where he could suddenly turn off a main road and subdue them properly before they knew they were even in danger. That sounds like a quiet park close to a main road, or a deserted commercial area to me. He would have wanted about two minutes to quieten them down, then time to hide the victim out of sight. Unobserved. And then move again in case he had been seen.
Where would that be?

19th April, 2016 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by Elwood_1

Stirling Hwy outside of Jacks was pretty well lit at night, as was the car park. From memory there was a big floodlight on the east side of the carpark to keep the bogans illuminated, and I believe another facing the bus stop out the front. 
On the night Sarah went missing it would have been really busy with people going home late after the fireworks, and there wasn't a lot of places to get food between Perth and Freo at that time of night, so the Jacks drive through was always busy. Plus, they did the best bacon double cheese burgers in Perth. 

A blitz attack would be fairly fast, but at that time of night there would have been a lot of traffic and people moving around. Just look at the security video, there were people everywhere. I think standing in the middle of the highway with a parked car wrestling with a screaming girl would be very unlikely to go unobserved.
He had another method of getting them into his car, and they probably got in voluntarily IMHO. If they were blitzed, it was later when they realized that he wasn't taking them where they wanted to go, and that would have required getting to somewhere secluded where he could suddenly turn off a main road and subdue them properly before they knew they were even in danger. That sounds like a quiet park close to a main road, or a deserted commercial area to me. He would have wanted about two minutes to quieten them down, then time to hide the victim out of sight. Unobserved. And then move again in case he had been seen.
Where would that be?

At 2am there would have been traffic (CBV patrons and HJ's drive through visitors) in the car park. Where SS was - very little traffic.
Both CG and SS were heading to Mosman Park. JR - who knows but her home was in the other direction.
So if the girls got into a car, the CSK likely maintained for some time that he was heading the same way. So enroute from Claremont to Mosman Park, where did he stop? What excuse did he use? If he did in fact cut their throats, he would have needed a place that was secluded. CG allegedly had a head wound, something that maybe a firepoker would make. How did this fit in?
He most likely had to stop somewhere secluded. How did he explain this to the girls? Did he have a gun or knife? Did he pull over under the guise of breaking down and then assault them inside or outside the car? 
A gun or knife works because he could have turned around and gone to Karrakatta or Minim Cove "We're going to a secluded spot, I'm going to rape you and then let you go. Stay calm and you won't get hurt"
To get the girls to a secluded spot without alerting them would have been hard. There's not many secluded spots between Claremont and Mosman Park. I'm leaning towards him having a weapon to control them.


On JR

- If she accepted a lift then she was probably heading in a different direction (Wembley or Shenton Park). I'd assume either her friends or parents in Shenton Park because Wembley isn't easily accessible from Claremont. 
- He picked up both SS and CG when the chances were they were heading west. Easy for a person offering a lift to guess the right offer (you don't want to offer someone a lift by saying you're going to Shenton Park when the victim wants to go to Mosman Park. CG was an easy assumption as she was walking in that direction. SS was an educated guess (if she was going the other way she would have used the phone box on Bay View Tce). 
- But JR? Was she walking towards Shenton Park? (meaning he may have needed a different pull over area if pulling over was his MO)
- For some unlikely reason was she walking west along Gugeri?
- Or was she still just standing there? If so, the CSK must have had a compelling story to get her into the car.
If the girls accepted lifts I think it's more likely he controlled them with a weapon to get to his local kill site. I lean towards Karrakatta.

19th April, 2016 - Foolio79

Hi all, first time poster here but Ive been following this case for some time now. 
I and im sure many others would love to see some more discussion regarding the martial arts expert referred to in the CIA doco.

Is there any definitive proof that he is the man referred to as JM? If not who is he then?
Some have speculated that the whole point of the doco was to show JM to the public. If thats the case then that would mean he is or at least was an extremely strong POI in the eyes of the investigators.
A person with his expertise strikes me as someone who would have the discipline and skills to not only carry out the attacks but stop offending if necessary.
His appearance on the doco was certainly strange as are some of his facebook posts. IMHO.

20th April, 2016 – Frankie -Verified Insider - Claremont SK

Originally Posted by elastic

Thank you for clarifying this, I remmeber it originally taking about 30 messages to get a story out of you that was coherent. That last sentence hugely clarifys the situation.

So it is likely that car your mate saw with the brake lights was the CSK, and if the victim and perp were out of sight then your friend could not have seen the CSK easily just pull up knock her out and taken her to the kill spot, how long were you guys at the bus stop for, do you remmeber hearing any screams or seeing Lance Williams face out and about that night?

We were at the bus stop for about 30 mins and we did not hear anyone or see LW that night.

20th April, 2016 – Elwood_1

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

At 2am there would have been traffic (CBV patrons and HJ's drive through visitors) in the car park. Where SS was - very little traffic.
Both CG and SS were heading to Mosman Park. JR - who knows but her home was in the other direction.
So if the girls got into a car, the CSK likely maintained for some time that he was heading the same way. So enroute from Claremont to Mosman Park, where did he stop? What excuse did he use? If he did in fact cut their throats, he would have needed a place that was secluded. CG allegedly had a head wound, something that maybe a firepoker would make. How did this fit in?
He most likely had to stop somewhere secluded. How did he explain this to the girls? Did he have a gun or knife? Did he pull over under the guise of breaking down and then assault them inside or outside the car? 

A gun or knife works because he could have turned around and gone to Karrakatta or Minim Cove "We're going to a secluded spot, I'm going to rape you and then let you go. Stay calm and you won't get hurt"
To get the girls to a secluded spot without alerting them would have been hard. There's not many secluded spots between Claremont and Mosman Park. I'm leaning towards him having a weapon to control them.

On JR
- If she accepted a lift then she was probably heading in a different direction (Wembley or Shenton Park). I'd assume either her friends or parents in Shenton Park because Wembley isn't easily accessible from Claremont. 
- He picked up both SS and CG when the chances were they were heading west. Easy for a person offering a lift to guess the right offer (you don't want to offer someone a lift by saying you're going to Shenton Park when the victim wants to go to Mosman Park. CG was an easy assumption as she was walking in that direction. SS was an educated guess (if she was going the other way she would have used the phone box on Bay View Tce). 
- But JR? Was she walking towards Shenton Park? (meaning he may have needed a different pull over area if pulling over was his MO)
- For some unlikely reason was she walking west along Gugeri?
- Or was she still just standing there? If so, the CSK must have had a compelling story to get her into the car.
If the girls accepted lifts I think it's more likely he controlled them with a weapon to get to his local kill site. I lean towards Karrakatta.

Bart: JR. If she was walking NE along Gugeri it would be a pretty short drive into Karrakatta, but he had a bad experience there before. Why not cross the railway and go into Shenton College. That would be pretty deserted at that time of night, and he would only be there long enough to drug her. "Oh, I need to pee, can I just pull in here for a second", and he could be on her, and moving again within a couple of minutes.
I'm really curious as to how he got them into the car. Grabbing them directly off the street would be incredibly risky if you tried it time after time. Once they are in the car you would need to be very decisive in your actions, and preferably stationary and in a quiet place. You would need to be strong enough to carry it off, but non threatening, or you would have problems approaching them initially.

Bart, I think you are right that there was a weapon somehow involved, but keeping hold of it and subduing them at the same time if they resisted would be very difficult. It is also a good way to get cut or shot yourself, and this guy doesn't strike me as a hero. Anything but. Explaining a bullet hole in your door can be awkward too, especially when it was clearly fired from inside. I wonder if he did a Birnie and drugged them somehow. 'Here, have a drink' type thing. 
Or chloroform. There is actually a You Tube video on how to make it. Bleach and acetone. That would be pretty quick and clean if you quickly pulled into a closed servo and jumped them. It is volatile too, so it would be hard to detect later, and wouldn't leave traces in a vehicle. Anyone could pile on a girl in the front of a car like that. You wouldn't need to know judo, or anything else. Just be quick. Follow with a couple of roofies or sleeping tablets, and you are golden.
Then you could move them at your leisure, and like I have posted previously, the worst thing you have done at that point is to be driving with an unconscious chick in the back seat of your car who looks really drunk, and can't remember anything. There is no law against that...if you have a good lawyer and there are no witnesses.
The following is a local article about two brothers who appear to have murdered their neighbors outside Seattle last week. It is quite a long one, but there is a lot of detail about the problems that they had with blood getting everywhere, and their failed efforts to deal with it. I really don't think the CSK victims were cut and then transported. It is just too dangerous and messy. I still think that they were transported alive to somewhere close to the dump site. When exactly that happened I'm not too sure about. And if I were the CSK I wouldn't cut at all if I could avoid it. 
http: //www. seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/car-driven-by-brothers-sought-in-arlington-slayings-found-in-arizona/

20th April, 2016 - Bartholemeus

I would assume Shenton College would not be accessible by car. No one is sure if the cemetery was accessible by car (did he walk her in from Karella St?). I'm also quietly confident the girls weren't drugged.
This is my best theory;
1. The girls accepted a lift. CG and SS heading towards Mosman Park, JR towards Shenton Park. The CSK is also responsible for Karrakatta but learns that waiting in Rowe Park is too small a catchment area. He plans the murders meticulously and realises he might wait all night and have no girls walk past. He realises he has to be closer to Claremont but this means he has to change his abduction method because a blitz attack is too risky. He may have already tried a blitz attack at the back of CBV and concluded that blitz attack okay in isolated parkland but not okay on main roads or built up areas. The Lakeway Drive in is another that could be linked.
2. The CSK pulls a knife (maybe a fire poker) and has somehow disabled the passenger door from opening. Maybe part of his pitch was they'd have to sit in the back because passenger door was broken.
3. He tells them he's going to rape them and if they comply he will let them go. SS has to history to go on so takes him at face value. JR knows about SS but is hoping this is a different guy. CG quickly remembers her Mum telling her about the serial killer and fights like 10 liquored up Irishmen. He has to pacify her by hitting her over the head with a tool that has a pointed end. Perhaps a fire poker.
4. He first and foremost a rapist. The murders are more about avoiding detection. A bag worked for Karrakatta but the risk of being detected by DNA makes him to decide that he must kill them and dump them
5. Once he abducts and controls the girls he takes them to his intermediary/rape site. This is close because the further out of the city he drove the more the girls would have realised they aren't coming back and would put up a fight. His rape site could be Karrakatta, Lakeway Drive in, Allen Park, Fortview Rd, Seaview Golf Club or somewhere similar.
6. JR was naked when she was found but CG was not raped and was fully clothed. She told the CSK she couldn't have sex because she had her period. The CSK was either sexually inexperienced or the thought of having sex with a girl on her period disgusted him. This might be another point where he hit her over the head with his weapon.
6. He then cuts their throats. Puts the girls in the boot of his car. Probably plastic lined.
7 He drives them to the pre-determined drop zones.
8. He dumps SS south but much further out. It's pure luck that no one stumbles across her - but she is further out with less chance of being detected. He dumps JR south because it worked last time but he decides to go closer to the city because the first time he learnt that he needed more time. He does his recon and decides Wellard gives him a 1:15 turn around for a dump whilst giving him a reasonable chance of delaying detection. He also brings his abduction time in from 2am to 12pm, thereby giving him more time. SS must have been tight - only 3 hours from abduction to sunrise. Once JR is discovered he decides to do his dump site recon north of the city. He sticks to the same MO as he did with JR.

20th April, 2016 - billywhizz

Shenton college founded in 2001. Not accessible because not there.

20th April, 2016 - JackHigh

 Originally Posted by Elwood_1

I really don't think the CSK victims were cut and then transported.

Garrote maybe?

Would fit in with a blitz attack, doesnt cut as deep as a knife but will leave neck wounds similar to a knife in a badly decomposed body, not messy in the initial event.
Telephone cord is mentioned as a method.
Interstingly its use is taught to special forces as a means of quick, quiet assasination...
Thats where my money is.

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20th April, 2016 - iknowwhatyoudid

Hi Bart
I respect everything you say and you obviously have a very knowledgeable grasp of the case. What I'm interested in knowing is why you think Lance Williams is your most likely POI. You must be pretty sure of this as you have him favourite odds wise and you have mentioned a few times you think a fire poker was used....don't think that went unnoticed 
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Could you please provide a rundown of the evidence or your reasoning for him being number one. I'm not disputing him as the CSK or anything as I think we are all aware no one is really sure who it is but in my eyes the evidence and stories about him lean me into thinking it would be unlikely to be him.
Its interesting that someone a few pages ago said they were speaking to a detective who told him that they are pretty sure they know its LW but they just cant pin it on him and then ElleAU just a few posts ago said thats its a common thing that people, particularly in Perth, knows someone who knows someone who said something and the rumour mill has a lot of crazy stories going around. So for those reasons its hard to know who to believe and what people are making up.

As you have obviously read the Bigfooty 133 page thread on this one I was reading the first 5 pages or so of it the other day and people there had claimed to have been picked up by LW or they know him personally and they are certain it couldnt have been him. There was one poster that was picked up a few times in a yellow car and he was adamant he was just a loner that was after some friends etc. Of course LW might be the master illusionist and how much credence can you cant be 100% sure people posting on Bigfooty are the real deal but I still think it must hold some weight what they have said.

I also cant understand how LW would have evaded detection over the 20 years or so he has been in the radar. Wouldn't he have cracked at sometime or wouldn't something surely have come up that would pin him to this.....or is it simply just that they cant pin it on him. I just don't understand this whole scenario.

Some other things that come to mind without much thought. Wouldn't it be likely that if he picked up that police officer in that sting, and if you think the CSK is linked to Karrakatta and a blitz attack (which seems to be the consensus here) then he would have blitzed her. Instead he dropped her off on the side of the road. I'm thinking that if he had 3/3 successful murders and no stories to be really considered where someone was let go then the odds of just letting someone go are small. If it was LW picking up and killing the 3 girl then it sounds to me like he was vey good and efficient at it and not someone who picks up lots of people, gains a lot of Perthite attention doing that, and still chooses who to attack and can get away with it.

If a fire poker was missing from his house wouldnt they surely be able to match that up with injuries to CG as you are assuming he hit her over the head with it. Would they not have DNA evidence from somewhere else as they shook his house down.
Would it really be possible for someone like LW to not only attract young girls into his car but to subdue them, kill them and carry the bodies to the dump site all with leaving no evidence behind. If they stopped him after the female police officer sting wouldnt they have combed his car and found plastic lining, strangling wire etc etc or was he really that selective and lucky.
As I say I am writing this without much knowledge on him but if you read those first pages of Bigfooty I feel it paints a good picture of why he is unlikely. Not saying you are wrong or anything just that I know you must have a very good reason and it would be interesting to hear and beneficial to this forum.

21th April, 2016 - Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by iknowwhatyoudid

What I'm interested in knowing is why you think Lance Williams is your most likely POI. You must be pretty sure of this as you have him favourite odds wise.

The only thing I'm sure of is that he is the most likely POI. This is a purely objective opinion as the circumstantial evidence is greater with him than anyone else. Does it mean he's the CSK? Of course not - the favourite doesn't always win the Melbourne Cup or the Brownlow Medal.

Subjectively, I think in this case the favourite is the winner.

Could you please provide a rundown of the evidence or your reasoning for him being number one. I'm not disputing him as the CSK or anything as I think we are all aware no one is really sure who it is but in my eyes the evidence and stories about him lean me into thinking it would be unlikely to be him.

1. During a period when police were conducting surveillance, LW was the only guy stalking women in the area. 
2. Upon investigating him, it was discovered he stalked women every Thurs to Sun night
3. He was meticulous in routine. Same time every night. Not sort of the same time, exactly to the minute same time (2 variations). Same routine every night
4. He failed a lie detector test. So did 12 others (approximately 25%)
5. He was measured when under interrogation often taking minutes to carefully answer his questions
6. He always kept his cool. He never spat the dummy about the intense interrogation and accusation. Well respected psychologists agree that this is very unusual behaviour if innocent.
7. He had no alibi for any of the nights
8. He has a history of immense discipline. He was able to give up drinking, smoking and gambling cold turkey. If anyone is able to give of raping/killing he could probably do it
9. He had his car cleaned and detailed a few days after one of the girls went missing
10. CG had a wound on her head. A fire poker was missing form a set of fire tools in his parent's house. The end of the poker fit the wound.
11. The killing stopped when he was identified as a POI
12. He has never tried to sue police. 
13. It is also my understanding that he was within a teenager's upper lip hair of being charged

All circumstantial evidence. But there is more circumstantial evidence for him that anyone else.

I hear lots of people claim it's not him, or have the opinion it's definitely not him but it's typically based on misinformation. I myself was also a victim to the well trotted out line "there's no way this meek and mild d1ckweed could pull off such a crime" and "police fitted up Mallard and they did it to LW too". I agree they discovered LW and tried to fit the case around him but that doesn't mean he didn't do it.
I have no problem if people don't think he's the guy. Not everyone should be compelled to back the favourite. But anyone who thinks there's another suspect with a more compelling case, I'd love to hear it.

Its interesting that someone a few pages ago said they were speaking to a detective who told him that they are pretty sure they know its LW but they just cant pin it on him and then ElleAU just a few posts ago said thats its a common thing that people, particularly in Perth, knows someone who knows someone who said something and the rumour mill has a lot of crazy stories going around. So for those reasons its hard to know who to believe and what people are making up.

This is common with all similar cases. Recently a rumour went around that LW would go into Subi hotels and in the sardine like crowd, ejaculate. Sounds like complete BS to me.

I've been posting here for a while and on BF and everyone knows the posters who can be trusted and which ones continually serve up rubbish.

As you have obviously read the Bigfooty 133 page thread on this one I was reading the first 5 pages or so of it the other day and people there had claimed to have been picked up by LW or they know him personally and they are certain it couldnt have been him. There was one poster that was picked up a few times in a yellow car and he was adamant he was just a loner that was after some friends etc. Of course LW might be the master illusionist and how much credence can you cant be 100% sure people posting on Bigfooty are the real deal but I still think it must hold some weight what they have said.

That was me and I can assure I got in LW's car on multiple occasions.

I also cant understand how LW would have evaded detection over the 20 years or so he has been in the radar. Wouldn't he have cracked at sometime or wouldn't something surely have come up that would pin him to this.....or is it simply just that they cant pin it on him. I just don't understand this whole scenario.

My understanding is they all but had him. The reason why could have evaded capture;

1. No DNA
2. He stuck to his minimalist story
3. If he is CSK and CSK did Karra then they would have had to have misplaced Karra DNA

His car, house and flat weren't searched until well after it's reasonable for any trace evidence to disappear.

ome other things that come to mind without much thought. Wouldn't it be likely that if he picked up that police officer in that sting, and if you think the CSK is linked to Karrakatta and a blitz attack (which seems to be the consensus here) then he would have blitzed her. Instead he dropped her off on the side of the road. I'm thinking that if he had 3/3 successful murders and no stories to be really considered where someone was let go then the odds of just letting someone go are small. If it was LW picking up and killing the 3 girl then it sounds to me like he was very good and efficient at it and not someone who picks up lots of people, gains a lot of Perthite attention doing that, and still chooses who to attack and can get away with it.

After CG the media coverage was intense. When LW was picked up he had no kit (knife, gun or whatever the CSK may have used). He may have been doing a dry run to see if surveillance was out and about.

If a fire poker was missing from his house wouldn’t they surely be able to match that up with injuries to CG as you are assuming he hit her over the head with it. Would they not have DNA evidence from somewhere else as they shook his house down.

It matched but that doesn't mean it was the weapon. If someone was willing to testify in court it had to be that brand/model of fire poker then he would have probably been charged. It's nothing more than circumstantial albeit compelling.

Would it really be possible for someone like LW to not only attract young girls into his car but to subdue them, kill them and carry the bodies to the dump site all with leaving no evidence behind.

It was evidently possible for someone, why not LW?

If they stopped him after the female police officer sting wouldnt they have combed his car and found plastic lining, strangling wire etc etc or was he really that selective and lucky.

Potentially a dry run or potentially he isn't the CSK.

As I say I am writing this without much knowledge on him but if you read those first pages of Bigfooty I feel it paints a good picture of why he is unlikely. Not saying you are wrong or anything just that I know you must have a very good reason and it would be interesting to hear and beneficial to this forum.

That was a misinformed me painting that picture. Upon an odyssey of investigation I have discovered that he comfortable and deservedly has the most circumstantial evidence against him.

21st April, 2016 - elleAU

Bart, in your opinion, was LW well known, or easily recognised at the time as a "harmless loner" (going back to the descriptions you gave as Bunsen et al on BF)? Was it common knowledge that this guy offered men/women lifts in the Claremont area? Do you think it would be at all likely that at least 1 of these women had encountered or heard of him before and had a certain level of trust getting into the car with him?

21st April, 2016 - BenJones84 

They have DNA, its either partial or full.

21st April, 2016 -  Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by elleAU

Bart, in your opinion, was LW well known, or easily recognised at the time as a "harmless loner" (going back to the descriptions you gave as Bunsen et al on BF)? Was it common knowledge that this guy offered men/women lifts in the Claremont area? Do you think it would be at all likely that at least 1 of these women had encountered or heard of him before and had a certain level of trust getting into the car with him?

I don't believe he was well known. There was a guy called the walking man. 50+ years old, blue t-shirt, green shorts, KT26 shoes. Walked the highway all day long. Everyone knew him. I don't believe LW was known though. I only knew him because I got lifts off him. I was hitch hiking. I used to sometimes see his car driving up and down the highway but I think I only noticed it because I knew who he was.

21st April, 2016 - Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by BenJones84

You know this because......?

21st April, 2016 – 88mph

All this talk about CG head wounds is new to me. Where has this information come from and is it credible?

Last edited by 88mph; 04-21-2016 at 09:15 AM.

21st April, 2016 – Farm Boy c

Hey guys. I am a first time poster. I won't be posting much (I just lurk). But I was interested in something posted a couple of pages back about conjecture over throats being cut - or strangled (whatever). I was thinking. After the CSK bungled Karra (by strangulation perhaps), that he cut the throat of the next victim (SS), didn't anticipate the mess it would make, and that is why no body was found (too much DNA on it, or whatever)?. Anyway, then the next victim (JR), he stripped naked because he was paranoid over the mess he made previously (clothes, blood, etc). Perhaps he mastered his strangulation with a knife on hand (with JR), and that on the last victim (CG) he was confident he could strangle. I know it is hypothetical, and I don't bring much to the table here. It was just playing on my mind.

21st April, 2016 – Elwood_1 

 Originally Posted by billywhizz

Shenton college founded in 2001. Not accessible because not there.

For the life of me I can't remember what was there before. Was it vacant land or an old industrial site.
Anyone?
There are quite a few sites around there even now that you could whip into in the wee small hours for some discreet fun if you were that way inclined.

21st April, 2016 - Elwood_1

If it was me, as soon as I felt I was under surveillance I would pick up every chick I could, and make 100% SURE that she was given a happy and safe ride home to prove that I wasn't the one they were looking for. I would pick up anyone I could and drive them straight home. Even buy them a burger.
I would love to know what happened with the policewoman. That was a major SNAFU there. He put her out on the side of the road? Did she get hysterical, say she was a cop, or what? That would be a really interesting story to know.

21st April, 2016 Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Elwood_1

For the life of me I can't remember what was there before. Was it vacant land or an old industrial site.

Anyone?

There are quite a few sites around there even now that you could whip into in the wee small hours for some discreet fun if you were that way inclined.

Hospital buildings.

21st April, 2016- Sutton

 Originally Posted by JackHigh

Garrote maybe?

Would fit in with a blitz attack, doesnt cut as deep as a knife but will leave neck wounds similar to a knife in a badly decomposed body, not messy in the initial event.

Telephone cord is mentioned as a method.

Interstingly its use is taught to special forces as a means of quick, quiet assasination...

Thats where my money is.

A garrote will cut in a complete circle around the neck, not just in a slash across the front. There would be other differences as well, depending on the cord material. 
If the victims had advanced decomposition and insect activity on the front of their necks and no injury on the back of their necks, then it would exclude garrote. IMO.
Welcome to thread, JackHigh.

21st April, 2016- Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Elwood_1

If it was me, as soon as I felt I was under surveillance I would pick up every chick I could, and make 100% SURE that she was given a happy and safe ride home to prove that I wasn't the one they were looking for. I would pick up anyone I could and drive them straight home. Even buy them a burger.

I would love to know what happened with the policewoman. That was a major SNAFU there. He put her out on the side of the road? Did she get hysterical, say she was a cop, or what? That would be a really interesting story to know.

DM wrote that she was spooked and believed LW picked up on it and just dropped her at Glyde St rather than to her door. How true it is, we don't know.

21st April, 2016 - Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by Elwood_1

For the life of me I can't remember what was there before. Was it vacant land or an old industrial site.

Anyone?

There are quite a few sites around there even now that you could whip into in the wee small hours for some discreet fun if you were that way inclined.

Also check out Lemnos Pde. Access to bushland.

21st April, 2016 - Peter Kurten

Can you remember how far the access road off Strlng Hwy went into the MLC grounds back in 96? It's still somewhat publicly accessible to this day.



Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?299185-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-4/page93

21st April, 2016 - Peter Kurten

Originally Posted by 88mph

All this talk about CG head wounds is new to me. Where has this information come from and is it credible?

Hi 88 
I've heard it from two completely different sources, so I believe it.

21st April, 2016 - Bartholemeus

 Originally Posted by Peter Kurten

Can you remember how far the access road off Strlng Hwy went into the MLC grounds back in 96? It's still somewhat publicly accessible to this day.

Can you remember how far the access road off Strlng Hwy went into the MLC grounds back in 96? It's still somewhat publicly accessible to this day.

All the way up to the main building. If standing at the main steps of the main building, in front of that was a grassed area with trees, pool to the left and sports fields all the way to the Hwy. Drive way straight down the middle. It's not very private because boarders live on site at both MLC and the neighbouring CCGS.

22nd April, 2016 - Elwood_1

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

Also check out Lemnos Pde. Access to bushland.

Thanks Bart, I have looked at that spot many times. I have sometimes wondered if SS isn't around there somewhere.

Back then Perth city and the pub spots had a bit of very late night activity, but areas like that were ghost towns. Even during the day on the weekends. You could get away with murder.

23rd April, 2016- NotAClue

Bart. Was there ever an accessway, walkway between BC gym and other buildings on Stirling Rd to a carpark on the eastern side behind the gym? I know there is the little accessway on western side of road where the phone box was that led to a rear carpark.

23rd April, 2016-  Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by Elwood_1 

Thanks Bart, I have looked at that spot many times. I have sometimes wondered if SS isn't around there somewhere.
Back then Perth city and the pub spots had a bit of very late night activity, but areas like that were ghost towns. Even during the day on the weekends. You could get away with murder.

For SS to be at that location (Shenton Bushland) there would have had to be a shallow grave. One option is he dug it before the pick up but i feel the CSK would have considered this too risky. Another is that he did it after the abduction. He picked SS up at 2am and sun up was 5am. I guess that's enough time. But a shallow grave is easy to spot in daylight. Not my preferred option, but an option.

23rd April, 2016 - Bartholemeus 

Originally Posted by NotAClue 

Bart. Was there ever an accessway, walkway between BC gym and other buildings on Stirling Rd to a carpark on the eastern side behind the gym? I know there is the little accessway on western side of road where the phone box was that led to a rear carpark.

Nope. But there was a secluded car park behind the Olifants building. Maybe a 50m from where SS was last seen. At 2am this area is for the most part deserted. If there was a blitz attack, this is where me might have park his car. It could even be the ritual (I assume his ritual is rape) and kill scene - although I believe police would have had a very close look at that car park within days of SS disappearing.
I've mentioned this before - right near where CG was last seen were some bushes right next to the footpath of Stirling Hwy. Behind the bushes was a small car park accessible by freshwater Pde.
Small car park in Rowe Park with some bushes near the footpath
Secluded car park behind Olifants quite close to where SS went missing
Secluded car park very close to where CG was last seen.
JR could have crossed the railway or waked up towards Rowe Park
If a blitz attack was used then these are some reasonable option. The biggest problem we have with blitz theory is the cars - occupants of one uninvolved car not coming forward plausible, chances of occupants of two uninvolved cars not coming forward - possible but really stretching it.

23rd April, 2016 - Bartholemeus

Karra - blitz attack (planned)
Claremont Subway - blitz attack (brazen)
Car park behind CBV - blitz attack
Swanbourne Railway station - blitz attack (presumably on foot)
Princes Rd/Bayview Tce attack - taxi pick up (2 dudes)
Lakeway golf course attack - taxi pick up (1 dude)
Cottesloe Hotel/Lakeway Drive-in (opportunistic)

There's a lot of different MOs in that lot. The Claremont Subway one is unclear. Articles say "he tried to rape her" which suggests he didn't try to put her in his car. Wouldn't mind knowing where exactly he dragged her to. Maybe this is the CSK evolving?

1991 - opportunistic rape. Passed out girl in car.
1993 - rapes 2 girls? How did he do that? Were they on different dates?
1994 - Tried to plan it but failed? Went back to drawing board.
1995 - Karra. Planned it to a tee.
1996-97 - CSK murders


Surely police have some descriptions?

Originally Posted by Sutton

Cottesloe Hotel/Lakeway Drive - circa 1991

Swanbourne Railway - January 01, 1993 (Friday)
Two girls raped adjacent to Swanbourne Railway Station. Girls had been to Club Bayview. (papertrail)

Stop sign/Subway - January 01, 1994 (Saturday)
A man dragged a woman from her car after she had left Club Bay View. He tried to rape her, but she fought him off. (1)
A woman fights off man who dragged her from her car and tried to rape her near Claremont subway. (8)
A girl was waiting at the stop sign at the Claremont subway, was pulled from her vehicle and survived an attempted rape. (papertrail)

Princess Rd - October 31, 1994 (Monday)
A 31-year-old woman got into a taxi near the club. A man hiding in the back seat grabbed her, but she jumped from the car, breaking a leg. (1)
A 31-year-old woman breaks her ankle when she leaps from a speeding taxi on Princess Rd, after the driver and another man try to attack her. (8)
Attack occurred on Princess Rd, St. Claremont (papertrail)

Karrakatta - February 12, 1995 (Sunday)
A girl, 17, was abducted at Rowe Park, tied with an electrical cord, raped and left for dead at Karrakatta Cemetery. She had been abducted walking home from the club. (1)
Teenager abducted, tied with electrical flex and raped in Karrakatta Cemetary (8)
Assailant driving a light-coloured panel van (12)

Golf Course - 1995
In 1995 a young woman got into a taxi in Claremont and the driver drove her to the other side of the railway line to the golf course. Forcibly stripped of her clothes, she managed to escape, banging on the door of a nearby house and screaming for the couple who lived there to let her in. Completely traumatised, it took an hour for her to finally splutter out what had happened. (11)

Sarah Spiers - January 27, 1996 (Saturday)
Sarah Spiers disappears from Stirling Rd. and Stirling Hwy. after leaving Club Bay View(8)

Church Lane - March 03, 1996 (Sunday)
A 21-year-old woman was indecently assaulted in a lane behind Club Bay View, which she had left about 2am. Her head was bashed six times against a brick wall and her skirt ripped off. (1)
A 21-year-old woman was bashed and indecently assaulted on Church Lane behind Club Bay View. (8)

Jane Rimmer - June 09, 1996 (Sunday)
Jane Rimmer is last seen by four friends outside the Conti. Her body is later found south of Perth. (8)

Ciara Glennon - March 14, 1997 (Friday)
Ciara Glennon disappears after drinking with friends at the Conti. Her body is found north of Perth. (8)

24th April, 2016- elastic 

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

The only thing I'm sure of is that he is the most likely POI. This is a purely objective opinion as the circumstantial evidence is greater with him than anyone else. Does it mean he's the CSK? Of course not - the favourite doesn't always win the Melbourne Cup or the Brownlow Medal.

Subjectively, I think in this case the favourite is the winner.

1. During a period when police were conducting surveillance, LW was the only guy stalking women in the area. 
2. Upon investigating him, it was discovered he stalked women every Thurs to Sun night
3. He was meticulous in routine. Same time every night. Not sort of the same time, exactly to the minute same time (2 variations). Same routine every night
4. He failed a lie detector test. So did 12 others (approximately 25%)
5. He was measured when under interrogation often taking minutes to carefully answer his questions
6. He always kept his cool. He never spat the dummy about the intense interrogation and accusation. Well respected psychologists agree that this is very unusual behaviour if innocent.
7. He had no alibi for any of the nights
8. He has a history of immense discipline. He was able to give up drinking, smoking and gambling cold turkey. If anyone is able to give of raping/killing he could probably do it
9. He had his car cleaned and detailed a few days after one of the girls went missing
10. CG had a wound on her head. A fire poker was missing form a set of fire tools in his parent's house. The end of the poker fit the wound.
11. The killing stopped when he was identified as a POI
12. He has never tried to sue police. 
13. It is also my understanding that he was within a teenager's upper lip hair of being charged

All circumstantial evidence. But there is more circumstantial evidence for him that anyone else.
I hear lots of people claim it's not him, or have the opinion it's definitely not him but it's typically based on misinformation. I myself was also a victim to the well trotted out line "there's no way this meek and mild d1ckweed could pull off such a crime" and "police fitted up Mallard and they did it to LW too". I agree they discovered LW and tried to fit the case around him but that doesn't mean he didn't do it.
I have no problem if people don't think he's the guy. Not everyone should be compelled to back the favourite. But anyone who thinks there's another suspect with a more compelling case, I'd love to hear it.

This is common with all similar cases. Recently a rumour went around that LW would go into Subi hotels and in the sardine like crowd, ejaculate. Sounds like complete BS to me.
I've been posting here for a while and on BF and everyone knows the posters who can be trusted and which ones continually serve up rubbish.
That was me and I can assure I got in LW's car on multiple occasions.
My understanding is they all but had him. The reason why could have evaded capture;

1. No DNA
2. He stuck to his minimalist story
3. If he is CSK and CSK did Karra then they would have had to have misplaced Karra DNA

His car, house and flat weren't searched until well after it's reasonable for any trace evidence to disappear
After CG the media coverage was intense. When LW was picked up he had no kit (knife, gun or whatever the CSK may have used). He may have been doing a dry run to see if surveillance was out and about.
It matched but that doesn't mean it was the weapon. If someone was willing to testify in court it had to be that brand/model of fire poker then he would have probably been charged. It's nothing more than circumstantial albeit compelling.
It was evidently possible for someone, why not LW?
Potentially a dry run or potentially he isn't the CSK.
That was a misinformed me painting that picture. Upon an odyssey of investigation I have discovered that he comfortable and deservedly has the most circumstantial evidence against him.

He is undoubtedly the most compelling suspect when you look at the circumstantial evidence against Lance Williams. The fact he has quit smoking and drinking cold turkey around the time of the killings/Karrakatta is suspicious in itself, and I am intrigued by the 'friend' and wonder if the earlier attacks were undertaken with the 'best friend' assisting or acting as the main perpetrator somehow. Could Lance have been the gettaway driver for Karrakatta and earlier attacks, not taking part entirely, just in part, and once the friend died around 1995, he escalated to full blown murder.
The way he comes across in interviews too seems rather suspicious and I can see why he would have come on the police radar. He acts and talks in a way where it seems like he is thinking about what to say before saying it, and that in itself speaks like a man with something to hide.
You state Lance Williams was the 'Only' man stalking woman in the area, I thought the 'Martial Arts Practitioner' was also stalking woman in the area around the time of the murders? It was said clearly in the 2008 documentary.
I wonder who the man masturbating was caught next to the road near where the Karrakatta victim was abducted? could this have been Lance? he seems like a weird type, any man in his late 40's who is a loner like Lance could easily fit the profile of a killer/ serial rapists.
I want to know when Lance's friend died exactly, I assume after Feb 1995 but it cannot be proven because there is nothing out there to determine this. If it is after Feb 1995 it seems to be the point which tipped him over the edge and he went from violent rapist to killer. There are reports however the Karrakatta victim was 'left for dead' so I am not sure if she was meant to have been killed or not from what can be read.

If a firepoker was used (Unsubstantiated) to hit Ciara then it seems like a very 'specific' tool to have, not a whole lot of people use fire places, maybe they were still common in the 90's but I don't recall using anything other than a gas/electric heater. The fire places in the houses we did live in were never used.
Lance is definitely a very weird character and fits easily with the profile, he has the physical presence to disarm a female easily too, he would be capable of a blitz attack.
People who try and pretend they can profile a possible serial killer by the way he acts in public are just kidding themselves, no one would know the true Lance except his 'best friend'. Was the best friend burried at Karrakatta just prior to the rape? or just after the rape? So many questions concerning the friend.

Last edited by elastic; 04-24-2016 at 01:24 AM.

24th April, 2016 - elastic 

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

Karra - blitz attack (planned)
Claremont Subway - blitz attack (brazen)
Car park behind CBV - blitz attack
Swanbourne Railway station - blitz attack (presumably on foot)

Princes Rd/Bayview Tce attack - taxi pick up (2 dudes)
Lakeway golf course attack - taxi pick up (1 dude)

Cottesloe Hotel/Lakeway Drive-in (opportunistic)

There's a lot of different MOs in that lot. The Claremont Subway one is unclear. Articles say "he tried to rape her" which suggests he didn't try to put her in his car. Wouldn't mind knowing where exactly he dragged her to. Maybe this is the CSK evolving?
1991 - opportunistic rape. Passed out girl in car.
1993 - rapes 2 girls? How did he do that? Were they on different dates?
1994 - Tried to plan it but failed? Went back to drawing board.
1995 - Karra. Planned it to a tee.
1996-97 - CSK murders

Surely police have some descriptions?

Could very well be the sequence of events leading up, or a basic summary within reason of what may have occurred. It seems like a big stretch to think none of these were connected, its more than likely most of these were connected, which ones is the key, and how much evidence was obtained from the ones we never hear about. Surely some descriptions could be crossed referenced with Lance or Lance's best friend's picture?
Who was the sexual pervert and who was masturbating near one of the abduction sites in plain view, this man must be seriously suspicious to be jacking off in front of the view of motorists. Could the masturbator been involved in some of these attacks too? or was this just a coincidence and a meth crazed loon decided to wack one out coincidentally near the abduction site of a victim?
Also what is the circumstance of the two rapes? are these two separate occurrences on the same night, or two people raped at the same time? or was this on different nights at the same location.
Also its hard to work out how related they may be without the time of the night the attacks took place for these previous attacks.

24th April, 2016 – Bartholemeus

 Originally Posted by elastic

Could very well be the sequence of events leading up, or a basic summary within reason of what may have occurred. It seems like a big stretch to think none of these were connected, its more than likely most of these were connected, which ones is the key, and how much evidence was obtained from the ones we never hear about.

We'd have to think some of them are connected. Which ones though......?
The taxi ones are the easiest to separate as it would be hard for the CSK to access a taxi. It's easier to think one or two of the taxi ones are once off opportunities a taxi driver took. Then one of the taxi ones is two people. I'e always strongly believed CSK is one individual.
The rest of them would be two different guys tops. Maybe all the same guy. It does paint a picture of rapist who evolved and escalated and potentially shows the ever changing way he committed the crimes.

Surely some descriptions could be crossed referenced with Lance or Lance's best friend's picture?

Or any of the other suspects. I'm assuming police looked into this thoroughly. I would assume by getting information and descriptions from all victims (and Rowe Park masturbation witness) they'd have a circumstantial theory of which attacks are connected and maybe who the perpetrator is.
There have been calls for a coronial inquest. I can't imagine it not being granted unless WAPOL were able to present a reasonably compelling case not to. Sarah McMahon went missing in 2000 and there was an inquest in 2012. The CSK murders were in 1996 and 20 years later no inquest. SM's inquest found that Donald Morey was the most likely killer so we can rule out an inquest being knocked back because WAPOL know who it is.
Does anyone know what the courts take into consideration when deciding whether or not to go through with a CI?

Who was the sexual pervert and who was masturbating near one of the abduction sites in plain view, this man must be seriously suspicious to be jacking off in front of the view of motorists. Could the masturbator been involved in some of these attacks too? or was this just a coincidence and a meth crazed loon decided to wack one out coincidentally near the abduction site of a victim?

Meth was still very much underground in 1995 so we could all but rule that out. One school of thought is the Karra rapist came back to relive the abduction. Would he do it at Rowe Park or in the cemetery? Could be a coincidence or could have been the guy.

Also what is the circumstance of the two rapes? are these two separate occurrences on the same night, or two people raped at the same time? or was this on different nights at the same location.

Don't know. Does anyone know?

Also its hard to work out how related they may be without the time of the night the attacks took place for these previous attacks.

Girls allegedly had been at CBV so time would be well after midnight I suspect.
If these crimes are connected it looks like over time the CSK has moved closer to the source of vulnerable women (Claremont night life district)

24th April, 2016 – Sutton

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

... 1993 - rapes 2 girls? How did he do that? Were they on different dates?...

Originally Posted by elastic

...Also what is the circumstance of the two rapes? are these two separate occurrences on the same night, or two people raped at the same time? or was this on different nights at the same location...

RSBM. The only place I've ever seen the Swanbourne Railway Station rapes mentioned is in an article Papertrail posted, Dark fears in glamour spot. The article only reads.
Two other women were raped near Swanbourne railway station in 1992 after walking home from Claremont late at night.
Paper specified several times that both rapes occurred on New Year's Eve 1992/New Year's Day 1993, so he must have additional information (unposted articles, etc.). 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...php?p=12141569

24th April, 2016 - Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by elastic 

He is undoubtedly the most compelling suspect when you look at the circumstantial evidence against Lance Williams. The fact he has quit smoking and drinking cold turkey around the time of the killings/Karrakatta is suspicious in itself, and I am intrigued by the 'friend' and wonder if the earlier attacks were undertaken with the 'best friend' assisting or acting as the main perpetrator somehow. Could Lance have been the gettaway driver for Karrakatta and earlier attacks, not taking part entirely, just in part, and once the friend died around 1995, he escalated to full blown murder.
The way he comes across in interviews too seems rather suspicious and I can see why he would have come on the police radar. He acts and talks in a way where it seems like he is thinking about what to say before saying it, and that in itself speaks like a man with something to hide.

You state Lance Williams was the 'Only' man stalking woman in the area, I thought the 'Martial Arts Practitioner' was also stalking woman in the area around the time of the murders? It was said clearly in the 2008 documentary.
I wonder who the man masturbating was caught next to the road near where the Karrakatta victim was abducted? could this have been Lance? he seems like a weird type, any man in his late 40's who is a loner like Lance could easily fit the profile of a killer/ serial rapists.

I want to know when Lance's friend died exactly, I assume after Feb 1995 but it cannot be proven because there is nothing out there to determine this. If it is after Feb 1995 it seems to be the point which tipped him over the edge and he went from violent rapist to killer. There are reports however the Karrakatta victim was 'left for dead' so I am not sure if she was meant to have been killed or not from what can be read.

If a firepoker was used (Unsubstantiated) to hit Ciara then it seems like a very 'specific' tool to have, not a whole lot of people use fire places, maybe they were still common in the 90's but I don't recall using anything other than a gas/electric heater. The fire places in the houses we did live in were never used.

Lance is definitely a very weird character and fits easily with the profile, he has the physical presence to disarm a female easily too, he would be capable of a blitz attack.

People who try and pretend they can profile a possible serial killer by the way he acts in public are just kidding themselves, no one would know the true Lance except his 'best friend'. Was the best friend burried at Karrakatta just prior to the rape? or just after the rape? So many questions concerning the friend.

1.Yep, it did mention in CIA doc that other men were following women but the reality is LW was really the only major POI identified doing this at the time. 
2. LW's friend is something worth following up. I thought papertrail ws doing that?
3. I doubt there was a getaway driver for Karrakatta. The victim would have sensed 2 people.
4. The masturbater could have been LW, someone else who is the CSK, or someone different entirely. Wonder what the description was?
5. Plenty of open fire places still being used in Cottesloe in the 90s.
6. I think most blokes would be able to physically overcome all 3 girls.

24th April, 2016 - elastic

1. Yep, it did mention in CIA doc that other men were following women but the reality is LW was really the only major POI identified doing this at the time. 
2. LW's friend is something worth following up. I thought papertrail ws doing that?
3. I doubt there was a getaway driver for Karrakatta. The victim would have sensed 2 people.
4. The masturbater could have been LW, someone else who is the CSK, or someone different entirely. Wonder what the description was?
5. Plenty of open fire places still being used in Cottesloe in the 90s.
6. I think most blokes would be able to physically overcome all 3 girls.

24th April, 2016 - elastic

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

1. Yep, it did mention in CIA doc that other men were following women but the reality is LW was really the only major POI identified doing this at the time. 
2. LW's friend is something worth following up. I thought papertrail ws doing that?
3. I doubt there was a getaway driver for Karrakatta. The victim would have sensed 2 people.
4. The masturbater could have been LW, someone else who is the CSK, or someone different entirely. Wonder what the description was?
5. Plenty of open fire places still being used in Cottesloe in the 90s.
6. I think most blokes would be able to physically overcome all 3 girls.

Yes Papertrail was making some interesting progress and narrowed his focus on the Lance Williams friend angle and then when he said he was getting close to receiving the answers from a source who was on his deathbed after suffering a major operation he just completely dropped off the radar. I haven't bothered to PM him to ask if he is still around but I wonder if he was told to keep what he found hush. 
Papertrail was poking around quite a bit, I know if I was Donald Morey I would be looking over my shoulder a fair bit when I was released from prison after having those details Papertrail posted smeared all over the internet. He managed to get some incredibly intimate details on some very shady characters.
The Lance Williams friend angle definitely needs some investigating, it is just met with too many dead ends, if we knew the name, and maybe date of death of the friend it would open up so many new avenues to investigate, or for amateur sleuths to explore and come up with some fascinating new theories. Too little has been bought up about the 'friend'
The friend apparently died some time around 1995.
He was Lance Williams best mate, and was incredible close, one of only a few people who were close and knew the 'real' Lance.
Lance quit smoking and drinking immediately after the friend died?
The CSK murders started immediately after Lance quite drinking and smoking?
I would assume losing your best friend when already an abject loner with no real direction in life could very well be the final trigger to start your grand fantasy.
That is only a rough account of what I can gather, can you clarify anymore than that or anything more specific especially regarding the 'friend'
Hopefully papertrail can post what he found on Lance and maybe finally post the write up to the 'friend'. Seems a bit odd he has dropped off the face of the earth, hope he is in good health.

24th April, 2016 - elastic

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus

We'd have to think some of them are connected. Which ones though......?

The taxi ones are the easiest to separate as it would be hard for the CSK to access a taxi. It's easier to think one or two of the taxi ones are once off opportunities a taxi driver took. Then one of the taxi ones is two people. I'e always strongly believed CSK is one individual.

The rest of them would be two different guys tops. Maybe all the same guy. It does paint a picture of rapist who evolved and escalated and potentially shows the ever changing way he committed the crimes.
Or any of the other suspects. I'm assuming police looked into this thoroughly. I would assume by getting information and descriptions from all victims (and Rowe Park masturbation witness) they'd have a circumstantial theory of which attacks are connected and maybe who the perpetrator is.
There have been calls for a coronial inquest. I can't imagine it not being granted unless WAPOL were able to present a reasonably compelling case not to. Sarah McMahon went missing in 2000 and there was an inquest in 2012. The CSK murders were in 1996 and 20 years later no inquest. SM's inquest found that Donald Morey was the most likely killer so we can rule out an inquest being knocked back because WAPOL know who it is.
Does any one know what the courts take into consideration when deciding whether or not to go through with a CI?
Meth was still very much underground in 1995 so we could all but rule that out. One school of thought is the Karra rapist came back to relive the abduction. Would he do it at Rowe Park or in the cemetery? Could be a coincidence or could have been the guy.
Don't know. Does anyone know?
Girls allegedly had been at CBV so time would be well after midnight I suspect.
If these crimes are connected it looks like over time the CSK has moved closer to the source of vulnerable women (Claremont night life district).

The fact that two abductions potentially involved Taxi's does through a spanner into the works when trying to work out the links. The fact that people suspected the Taxi link to the CSK case further exasperates the theory and making it even harder to determine the possible links.. However if you look at it hard I agree with what you are saying, the Taxi's are actually the anomaly. I think the other instances of attempted rapes/ blitz attacks, met with quite large periods/gaps between attempts were more than likely linked to the CSK, more so than the two Taxi incidents that are mentioned previous or around the time of the CSK case. I wonder if most if not all the attacks occurred between 12am-4am, the time we know the CSK was active. The time Lance was prowling around too, and if all of the attacks were between the days Lance was known to stalk/roam around the streets (I believe this was Thurs to sun) then I can see why it becomes easy to build a circumstantial case around Lance Williams.

Very strange that a coronial Inquest hasn't been forced, yet one was with the Sarah McMahon case was forced much earlier, its also odd that the Gerard Ross Case has been met with a similar amount of secrecy to the CSK case and gone on longer without a coronial inquest, does make you wonder what the criteria is to determine these Coronial Inquests? very odd how some cases get such precedence over others?

Very odd behaviour from the masturbator, would love to know how this was followed up, if he was identified by Police, or questioned, or whether they have missed a vital clue and left this avenue unexplored? He must certainly be suspicious having masturbated so close to the abduction site, and since that occurrence there have been no follow up occurrences since so what are the odds of having a sole masturbator at the crime scene?

I am aware Meth was very much underground in 1995 so we can rule that out, any other drugs making loons masturbate profusively around 1995, if not then it even more strengthens the argument that the masturbator at rowe park may have been involved with the Karrakatta rape. I wonder if he is the Sexual pervert identified in 2008?

24th April, 2016 - elastic 

Originally Posted by Sutton

RSBM. The only place I've ever seen the Swanbourne Railway Station rapes mentioned is in an article Papertrail posted, Dark fears in glamour spot. The article only reads,

Two other women were raped near Swanbourne railway station in 1992 after walking home from Claremont late at night.

Paper specified several times that both rapes occurred on New Year's Eve 1992/New Year's Day 1993, so he must have additional information (unposted articles, etc.). 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...php?p=12141569

Like alot of those earlier crimes there is little to NO information available about them, its almost like they didnt actually exist and have since been made up.. But occasionally someone will post some tiny reference to these earlier crimes and it makes them seem more genuine. I wonder if all these earlier claims are actually true, and if so why there is such little reports about them considering they all happened in Perth's most affluent and wealthiest suburb.. It so so bizarre and just makes the case even more bizarre. How could the Police treat the wealthiest most affluent area of Perth with such little priority, especially with a spate of sex attacks all occurring around the popular night spots in this affluent area. It just does not sit well with me.
I wish we had more details about what occurred, and especially any descriptions of the attacker. It seems like his MO was to strike with a blitz that may have made it hard to identify who was performing these attacks, but surely at least one victim got a look at the attacker.. Maybe they didn't and the attacker was very very lucky and knew this so stayed around this area, which was obviously his comfort zone.

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?299185-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-4/page94

25th April, 2016 - GreenDevil 

1. During a period when police were conducting surveillance, LW was the only guy stalking women in the area. 
2. Upon investigating him, it was discovered he stalked women every Thurs to Sun night
3. He was meticulous in routine. Same time every night. Not sort of the same time, exactly to the minute same time (2 variations). Same routine every night
4. He failed a lie detector test. So did 12 others (approximately 25%)
5. He was measured when under interrogation often taking minutes to carefully answer his questions
6. He always kept his cool. He never spat the dummy about the intense interrogation and accusation. Well respected psychologists agree that this is very unusual behaviour if innocent.
7. He had no alibi for any of the nights
8. He has a history of immense discipline. He was able to give up drinking, smoking and gambling cold turkey. If anyone is able to give of raping/killing he could probably do it
9. He had his car cleaned and detailed a few days after one of the girls went missing
10. CG had a wound on her head. A fire poker was missing form a set of fire tools in his parent's house. The end of the poker fit the wound.
11. The killing stopped when he was identified as a POI
12. He has never tried to sue police. 
13. It is also my understanding that he was within a teenager's upper lip hair of being charged.

Let's also add that he fit the CSK's serial killer profile in almost every aspect. The FBI (ret) polygraph examiner with almost 40 years experience was certain he was the killer. LW was interviewed by criminal psychologists on numerous occasions and they all reported that he was capable of committing the crimes. He was caught out blatantly lying during interviews with police. 

During a major lengthy undercover police operation he was the only person identified that was stalking women, and offering women lifts in the Claremont area. No one else was identified doing this. After he was identified the killings stopped. If there was another killer, it could be hypothesized that they would have been happy to know that they were still undetected and kept on killing. I'm sorry, to all the deniers but imo LW is the killer.

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25th April, 2016 - elastic

Originally Posted by GreenDevil 

Let's also add that he fit the CSK's serial killer profile in almost every aspect. The FBI (ret) polygraph examiner with almost 40 years experience was certain he was the killer. LW was interviewed by criminal psychologists on numerous occasions and they all reported that he was capable of committing the crimes. He was caught out blatantly lying during interviews with police. 
During a major lengthy undercover police operation he was the only person identified that was stalking women, and offering women lifts in the Claremont area. No one else was identified doing this. After he was identified the killings stopped. If there was another killer, it could be hypothesized that they would have been happy to know that they were still undetected and kept on killing. I'm sorry, to all the deniers but imo LW is the killer.

He definitely fits the profile, that is unquestionable, I wonder what he was really like as a person, being a loner he would have had quite some rage built up internally, especially if he wasn't regularly ever getting sex other than paying for it. That would have wore the man down. He is the stereo type of a man that would be a rapist in my mind.

If the fire poker was the weapon Lance used on Ciara that is confirmed then it would be quite interesting, hopefully a firepoker is not confused with a golf club. Lots of golfers around that part of Perth.
What I would like to know about Lance is if he actually is the CSK, then that means the Police have obviously bungled the investigation somehow. Which makes me wonder did they take some sort of evidence/DNA that was illegally obtained and deemed inadmissible in court, and all other avenues for acquiring the evidence have been exhausted, could this be why such over analysis of some evidence is being done to try and find something to create the link to get the vital evidence and have it legally obtained so it can be used in court and the backstory presented to the jury/judge (depending on type of trial) is actually accurate and not fall of inaccuracies and possible illegalities for obtaining said evidence.
In could very well be that they know Lance is the Rapist/Killer, they had the evidence, obtained it through some illegal means or through other illegally obtained evidence, and that the whole case is just a bungled shambles with no chance of ever seeing the light of day in a court room due to any judge residing over this case probably throwing the evidence out or throwing the case out before it even got off the ground?
I would not be surprised.
Circumstantially they probably have a small case, but again nothing to prove beyond doubt, and hence without that piece of physical evidence they may never be able to build anything of significance. Is this why a coronial inquest has been massively avoided despite being long overdue?

25th April, 2016 - elastic

Originally Posted by GreenDevil

Let's also add that he fit the CSK's serial killer profile in almost every aspect. The FBI (ret) polygraph examiner with almost 40 years experience was certain he was the killer. LW was interviewed by criminal psychologists on numerous occasions and they all reported that he was capable of committing the crimes. He was caught out blatantly lying during interviews with police. 

During a major lengthy undercover police operation he was the only person identified that was stalking women, and offering women lifts in the Claremont area. No one else was identified doing this. After he was identified the killings stopped. If there was another killer, it could be hypothesized that they would have been happy to know that they were still undetected and kept on killing. I'm sorry, to all the deniers but imo LW is the killer.

Not entirely true, in the 2008 documentary they specifically mentioned the 'Martial Arts Practitioner' as having stalking woman in and around the Claremont area.

25ht April, 2016 - elastic 

Requoting this from SUTTON with my comments:

Cottesloe Hotel/Lakeway Drive - circa 1991 [Maybe CSK starting out? was opporunistic, gave the guy a taste for rape, what time did this occur?]]

Swanbourne Railway - January 01, 1993 (Friday) [Possibly CSK if true, One man or two men did this? Surely if this was true then it would have been far more publicised, two girls on the same night raped from the same area (possibly at the same time?) in Perths most affluent richest area, and no media reports, no newspaper articles, no memory of the occurrence for anyone living in Perth at the time from anyone I have met, dead silence? Surely this would have been MASSIVE HEADLINE NEWS!
Two girls raped adjacent to Swanbourne Railway Station. Girls had been to Club Bayview. (papertrail)

Stop sign/Subway - January 01, 1994 (Saturday) [Again could have been the CSK, this seems like a very stupid dangerous way to abduct someone, was he intending on taking the victim away somewhere or just leaving the car at the stop sign with the ignition running blocking the lane with the door possibly open whilst he raped her on the side of the road? or was he going to take her to a park/ or Karrakatta and do the rape there in privacy?]
A man dragged a woman from her car after she had left Club Bay View. He tried to rape her, but she fought him off. (1)
A woman fights off man who dragged her from her car and tried to rape her near Claremont subway. (8)
A girl was waiting at the stop sign at the Claremont subway, was pulled from her vehicle and survived an attempted rape. (papertrail)

Princess Rd - October 31, 1994 (Monday) [I am unsure on this but if say this is connected to the CSK then could it be Lance and the 'friend' performing an abduction together that didnt come off, I would love to know the ethnicity/race of the people involved. Whether they fit the profile of the CSK, or two desperate rapists preying on a woman late at night like some men have done in our taxi service as reported in our media in recent years, again very little report on this case and no public description despite their being a rapist on the loose, maybe two?]
A 31-year-old woman got into a taxi near the club. A man hiding in the back seat grabbed her, but she jumped from the car, breaking a leg. (1)
A 31-year-old woman breaks her ankle when she leaps from a speeding taxi on Princess Rd, after the driver and another man try to attack her. (8)
Attack occurred on Princess Rd, St. Claremont (papertrail)

Karrakatta - February 12, 1995 (Sunday) [Very likely CSK from what we know of possible DNA evidence in the case, seems like the CSK was starting out and into full pre-planning and abduction mode, not known if one or two were involved, most likely one person, was this Lance after the friend died or before? was this his way of raping prior to becoming a killer, and maybe only a killer to hide his evidence of rape]
A girl, 17, was abducted at Rowe Park, tied with an electrical cord, raped and left for dead at Karrakatta Cemetery. She had been abducted walking home from the club. (1)
Teenager abducted, tied with electrical flex and raped in Karrakatta Cemetary (8)
Assailant driving a light-coloured panel van (12)

Golf Course - 1995 [Not sure if linked to CSK, if this is prior to Lance's friend dying then maybe this is Lance's friend and his MO was to drive around as a taxi, in this princess road attack maybe Lance was hiding in the back of the Taxi, or this is a rogue Taxi driver that may have been up to no good in not only the Claremont area but other areas in Perth and this is just two of his many sex attacks?, again for something that happened in such an upmarket area of Perth there is very little media reports/articles about this attempted rape/sex attack, very odd, is this actually a legitimate occurrence?]
In 1995 a young woman got into a taxi in Claremont and the driver drove her to the other side of the railway line to the golf course. Forcibly stripped of her clothes, she managed to escape, banging on the door of a nearby house and screaming for the couple who lived there to let her in. Completely traumatised, it took an hour for her to finally splutter out what had happened. (11)

Sarah Spiers - January 27, 1996 (Saturday) [CSK]
Sarah Spiers disappears from Stirling Rd. and Stirling Hwy. after leaving Club Bay View(8)

Church Lane - March 03, 1996 (Sunday) [Could very well be CSK, definitely fits with the time of night (2am), was this reported in the media/Post? seems unlikely if this attack did occur that there wouldnt be any media source or articles detailing what happened. I am again surprised another se attack has very little media exposure in Perth's most rich and affluent area. This is a brutal attack that seems to suggest a similar attacker to Karrakatta with the brutality of the assault to demobilise the victim. This victim could very well be the best witness to who the CSK was, I wonder how much she saw or what details she remembered seeing considering she managed to escape such a brutal attack/possible rape. What seems to be obvious is that the CSK actually failed a fair bit and only really suceeded with Karakatta and maybe because the victim never identified/ or saw him he let her go, maybe all the other victims were witnesses and were killed because of that]
A 21-year-old woman was indecently assaulted in a lane behind Club Bay View, which she had left about 2am. Her head was bashed six times against a brick wall and her skirt ripped off. (1)
A 21-year-old woman was bashed and indecently assaulted on Church Lane behind Club Bay View. (8)

Jane Rimmer - June 09, 1996 (Sunday) [CSK]
Jane Rimmer is last seen by four friends outside the Conti. Her body is later found south of Perth. (8)

Ciara Glennon - March 14, 1997 (Friday)[CSK]
Ciara Glennon disappears after drinking with friends at the Conti. Her body is found north of Perth. (8)

25th April, 2016 - Peter Kurten 

 Originally Posted by elastic

Not entirely true, in the 2008 documentary they specifically mentioned the 'Martial Arts Practitioner' as having stalking woman in and around the Claremont area.

CIA Documentary Verbatim:

"Among those till being examined are two men who can provide no alibis for the times the three victims went missing. One, was a known sexual pervert who had a semi automatic rifle and ammunition concealed under the front seat of his car. Ciara's body is believed to have been abandoned in bushland on the night she was killed, and this man knew the area so well, he could easily find his way along it's bush tracks at night. 

Another of those still being investigated is a well educated martial arts practitioner from a wealthy English family, who worked closely with Sara Spiers, and had once met Jane Rimmer. He was 34 at the time of the murders, and lived alone not far from Claremont. During his Police interviews, he told a series of blatant lies playing down his close working relationship with Sara and giving false alibis for the times Jane and Ciara went missing. His polygraph test results have proved inconclusive. As yet, there is insufficient evidence to link either of these men, or the other persons of interest, to the murders."

It doesn't mention either of these men being caught stalking women during covert operations.

25th April, 2016 – Sutton

Originally Posted by GreenDevil

Let's also add that he fit the CSK's serial killer profile in almost every aspect...

RSBM. I would love to hear this discussed more. The only behavioral profile I've heard of is someone who

• Likes to drive, and would drive frequently 
• Would clean his vehicle after the killings
• Is organized 
• Would be nervous and anxious at work after Ciara's body was found and may even call out of work

What were the other predictions?

25th Aprilo, 2016 - GreenDevil

Who is this known sexual pervert? For some reason it doesn't sound like LW.

25th April, 2016 – 88mph

Regarding LW;
How do you explain the commodore link when he drove a Hyundai?
Do you think he was involved with Julie Cutler? Apparently they were in the same class at uni.
How do you explain the panel van and shoulder lengthy hair from the Karrakatta rape?

25th April, 2016 - elastic

Originally Posted by 88mph

Regarding LW;

How do you explain the commodore link when he drove a Hyundai?

Do you think he was involved with Julie Cutler? Apparently they were in the same class at uni.

How do you explain the panel van and shoulder lengthy hair from the Karrakatta rape?

What cars do Mains road employees have access to, or did anyone in his family have access to a commodore?
Regarding the Panel Van could this have something to do with Lance Williams best friend?
Everything could easily be explained.. It would be nice to rule some of these things out..
Interesting about Julie Cutler if true, maybe thats why Police believe the killings are linked. The only suspects i had ever heard of were apparently boyfriends of Cutler so no idea how the CSK link eventuated, maybe it was because of Lance being in the same class as Julie if this is true? Anyone confirm?

Last edited by elastic; 04-25-2016 at 07:45 AM.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306032-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-5


ROYAL COMMISSION INTO WHETHER THERE HAS BEEN ANY CORRUPT OR CRIMINAL CONDUCT BY WESTERN AUSTRALIAN POLICE OFFICERS

COMMISSIONER: G.A. Kennedy AO QC

 Held at Perth on the 9th day of December, 2002

Counsel Assisting Mr K. Pettit SC

Appearances Mr A.J. Power.

 Ms M. Ridley.

 Mr M.R.H. Trowell QC.

Mr B.J. Singleton QC.

09/12/2002

5195

Well, maybe - - all right. Okay.

Now, Ms Italiano you had known I think since coming into contact with her when she was

.09/12/2002 LINES, P.A. XXN 5315 A38/4

POLICE at the police driver training school?---

That's correct.

MR TROWELL: And that was in 1995-96. Is that right? ---

Correct. She was an instructor there?---

That's right.

What was your role there? Were you learning how to drive or - - ?---

I was - - I was a recruit at the time.

 You were a recruit. Do you recall interviewing Ms Italiano at the offices of the ACC in March of 1999?---

I certainly interviewed Cris Italiano. I haven't had the benefit of looking at either journals or anything else that was kept at the ACC so I can't be - -

Do you recall her being interviewed - - -

 .09/12/2002 LINES, P.A. XXN 5316 A39/2 POLICE

MR TROWELL: - - - her being interviewed at the offices of the ACC at some time in 1999?---

I would accept that it would be 1999. I can't recall the date.

Do you also accept that after that interview, you went with her to a coffee shop, the Merchant Coffee Shop?---

I certainly went for a coffee. Where it was, I - -

 Did you tell her that she should watch her back?---

Yes.

 Why did you tell her that?---

She was effectively blowing the whistle on some members of the WA Police Force, senior officers of the WA Police Force, and I thought it sound advice to give her.

And you have a clear recollection of having told her that?---

 Absolutely. Absolutely.

Well, that's not the recollection that you had when you last appeared before this Commission, because you told the Commissioner that you couldn't recall, but it sounded like something that you would say. What makes you now so definite about? "Absolutely", to use your word?---

Yeah. I - - I have the recollection of having that conversation. It certainly does sound like something I would say. Whether those are the words or not, and I think I made that clear, I was looking after Cris's best interests.

Why was your memory - - why is your memory better now than it was when you last appeared before this Commission in relation to saying those words?---

Not the words. Certainly the meaning, the "watch your back". Absolutely. I have no problem in accepting that I would say that. Right.

Let's get this straight. Let's get this straight. I asked you whether you'd used those words, whether you'd told her to watch her back.

You told me that you did, and I said,

 "Did you have a clear recollection of saying that?"

Your response,

"Absolutely."

When you last appeared before this Commission, your memory was less than perfect, because you said you couldn't recall saying that, but it may have been something that you might have said?---

Sounds like something I would have said. That's right

. Are you able to explain why there is a clear recollection now, but an imperfect recollection when you last appeared before the Commission?---

I'm sorry. It's semantics. It's - - she was told to mind herself. Whichever way you look at it, I was looking after Cris's interests. Do you agree that when you last appeared before this Commission, you couldn't recall whether you said those words or not?---It sounds like something I would say.

.09/12/2002 LINES, P.A. XXN 5317 A39/2 POLICE

MR TROWELL: Do you actually recall telling the Commissioner that you couldn't recall using those words?---What I said, I think my answer was, was it sounds like something I would say. Yes, but you couldn't recall specifically saying them?---I think I've said that today.

Well, so you agree with me? Do you now agree that you're saying that you do recall saying the words?---Not those words. I recall telling Cris to mind her back, watch her back, look after herself - -

All right. All right - -?--- - - whatever the words here. Okay. The Commissioner can make up his own mind?---

I'm sure he will. Why would you say that?---I think I've explained that already. She was blowing the whistle on high-ranking police officers.

All right?---There was no whistle-blower legislation in force in WA.

What did you think she had to fear?---

That's patently obvious, isn't it? High-ranking officers of the Police Force.

What did you think she had to fear?---Pressure being applied to her - -

Pressure being applied?--- - - losing her job over something that she's doing, blowing the whistle. It's the same sort of advice I would give to anybody that's taking the step of blowing the whistle.

Pressure being applied? Like pressure being applied to the ACC?---

Sorry, I think that's - - you're drawing a line there that doesn't agree. You asked me why I would say those words. That's why I've said those words.

So it was your belief at the time you told her to watch her back that there may well have been a danger that senior police officers may apply pressure?---

I think - -

 Pressure on her?---

No, I think you're twisting my words there.

Pressure - - Am I?--- - -

on her, certainly. Pressure on her, yes, all right.

 And you thought there was a prospect of that, did you?---

It's certainly something I thought worthy of guarding her against, yes.

And you thought that senior police officers were capable of applying that sort of pressure?---I

 think also the last time I .

09/12/2002 LINES, P.A. XXN 5318 A39/2

POLICE appeared before the Commission, we discussed whether I was aware of pressure having been applied in other cases. MR TROWELL: You thought - -?---You asked me a question, Mr Trowell, if you'll give me a chance to answer? Well, you tell me when you've finished the answer. You tell me?---And I made the Commission aware that I was aware of another circumstance where pressure had been applied to a particular officer, and it's a matter that the Commission is aware of already. I've finished, Mr Trowell. When you said those words, was it your opinion, based upon your experience of these types of matters, that senior police officers were capable of applying pressure to her?---That's a very general statement, but yes. From whom did you believe this pressure would come, or could come?---From whom? Yes?---The senior police officers that she was blowing the whistle on. Mr Brennan.

A1/1 POLICE AT 9.54 AM HEARING COMMENCED:

 COMMISSIONER: Yes, Mr Pettit?

MR PETTIT: Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner, in September of this year the Royal Commission heard evidence in respect of some alleged interference by certain officers in an investigation being conducted in 1998 by the Child Abuse Unit, and that investigation arose from allegations by Q1. One of the allegations aired at the Royal Commission hearings was quite separate from that general issue. The separate issue was that some senior officers, or one or more senior officers, I should say, attended upon the Anti-Corruption Commission in order to bring pressure to bear upon that Commission in respect of its then current inquiry. The ACC's inquiry, of course, was, like the present, concerned with allegations of police interference and not with the issue of whether or not Q1's complaints were well founded. Commissioner, subsequent to those September hearings of the Royal Commission further allegations have been made of conversations relating to that separate issue; that is, the attendance of senior officers, in particular Mr Bruce Brennan, Mr David Caporn and Mr Kevin Looby, or any of them, at the Anti-Corruption Commission, and it was thought preferable that those conversations be examined in public, as we now do. In addition though, quite separate from those matters, witness Ann Rial will be called to give evidence of a conversation - telephone conversation - she overheard in 1998. Before calling the first witness, Commissioner, can I take this opportunity to tender the documents relevant to these proceedings in accordance with a schedule of documents which I think, Commissioner, you have? That list of documents to be tendered includes all the documents or - - I'm sorry; included on that list is the documents that have previously been disclosed to all interested parties. At the same time as tendering those documents, Commissioner, can I also tender some call charge records which we've been able to obtain since the last hearings of these matters? The call charge records are those for the service of Mr McPhee, the solicitor for Q1 - - for Q2, and they relate to the dates 16th and 17th of November 1998. They are on the list which you have, Commissioner. They are D1023157 - - Commissioner, they're on the list already, and the subscriber information which explains where those calls came from is D1023190. And I've provided copies of those for counsel. So, Commissioner, can - - the list that you have, Commissioner, also includes at its very end statements from witnesses Duzevich and Lines. They will be tendered later this morning. So with the exception of those documents - the .09/12/2002 5196 A1/1 POLICE statements of Duzevich and Lines - Commissioner, can I tender all the documents in accordance with that list?

COMMISSIONER: Yes. The documents set out in the list commencing with the exhibit 794, memo from Italiano to Miller dated the 18th of August 1998, and then the public document D1012853 through to 1010C. I'm sorry. That's the Duzevich one. 1009, statement of Paul Alan Lines, dated the 30th of October 2002, barcoded D1018542, should now be listed as the exhibits. 




List of some of the missing and murdered girls in Western Australia
Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?294568-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-3/page16


23-11-2015 Sutton 
Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3
Some posters have expressed doubts that Karrakatta is actually related to the other CSK assaults, but for the sake of discussion, I thought I'd ask what everyone thinks about the description of her escape.
It was widely reported that she was 'violently raped' and 'left for dead.' A rape victim is not usually described as left for dead unless there are grievous injuries or they are left in a location that will likely cause their death.
Wouldn't most people be able to just walk out of Karrakatta Cemetery (even if it took a few hours)? Does the description indicate the rapist may have tried to kill her? Or was the rape so viscous that death was a possibility?
There is still the confusion about if the Karrakatta survivor was released, if she escaped, or if she was actually driven to a carpark near the hospital (reportedly announced on local news station). 
I wish we had her statement of the attack (not trying to find entertainment in someone else's suffering, would just like to know some general details).
23-11-2015 -Indigo


Hi Sutton,
Good post regarding the Karrakatta assault, I had a lot of similar questions in mind about it. The reports are a bit confusing.
I remember one saying the victim ran to a nearby hospital with a ligature still around their neck but then other reports say they were left for dead. 
That the victim was driven to hospital is news to me.
Just found online news article from October 16th 2015 with audio snippets from "6PRD@Mornings with Gary Adshead" radio program with Gary Adshead interviewing both former Detective Terry Dobson and Journalist Bret Christin. In the interview with Bret Christin he is asked what were the similarities between this assault and the Claremont killings and he says that "it was identical to what's known about the claremont attacks"
Bret Christin says - "The young lady, a 17 year old girl was walking to her friends place on Gugeri street and that house was opposite the Claremont showground and she never made it. She got as far as the showground subway and a man grabbed her and put something over her head, tied her up with (what) she said telephone cable and bundled her into the back of what she said was a commercial vehicle and drove her deep into the cemetery where she was sexually assaulted."
The interviewer asks - "And did she break free? or was released? or what happened next, i mean obviously she was not a murder victim of this person"
Bret Christin says "No, she told police she didn't see the man, didn't have a description of him, she was let go with no clothes and ran to Hollywood Hospital which is on the other side of the cemetery"
More questions in interview, very informative, worth having a listen to both for sure. In the first interview with the Detective Terry Dobson he says that this type of incident was not uncommon at the time, he mentions another abduction and sexual assault that involved a girl being taken from outside a cinema and was perpetrated by two Chilean Men who the police put under a lot of surveillance. He was heading that investigation. He said that a number of officers believed that the Karrakatta assault was the beginning of the Claremont case.
Audio on the bottom of the page first is the interview with detective Terry Dobson.
The second audio link is the interview with Brett Christin what I have transcribed in regards to the crime starts at 2:18 mark.
http://www.6pr.com.au/news/rape-case...16-gkavzn.html
Also Bret Christin says "whats really chilling is when the Police began this cold case review in 2004 they also said they would be examining 16 disappearances of women"
Last edited by *Indigo*; 11-23-2015 at 10:43 PM. Reason: total reworking with found information
23-11-2015 Parkie
Indigo; The Post reporter is Bret Christian. <modsnip>
Last edited by sillybilly; 11-24-2015 at 02:39 PM. Reason: unnecessary
Quote Originally Posted by *Indigo*  View Post
...Also Bret Christin says "whats really chilling is when the Police began this cold case review in 2004 they also said they would be examining 16 disappearances of women"
RSBM. Who would be on the list? Also is the list confined to WA? I know police can't investigate disappearances from other jurisdictions, but the quote could mean police will be examining 16 disappearances it to see if they are related to the CSK.
1. Sarah Spiers
2. Julie Cutler
3. Sarah McMahon (Donald Morey)
4. Hayley Dodd (alleged Francis Wark)
5. Rachel Campbell (Richard Dorrough)


11-24-2015, 07:49 PM- silver tongue  
kerry tate age 23 22december1979 murdered 
lia mott age 12 last seen in collie 1980 missing
sharon fulleton last seen east perth railway station 1986 missing
cheryl renwick age 33 disapeared from south perth 1986 
sally greenham last seen adelaide terrace perth 1987
kelly turner 18 murdered body found canningdam1991
randina dujkid 14 last seen north beach 1992
cariad slater 41 last seen perth city
julie cuttler22 1988 missing
babara western found in bush land canning dam1992
petronella albert 21 missing broome 1992
lisa govan 28 missing kalgoolie 1999 
debra anderson body found in front seat of burnt out car 2000
hope this helps
Last edited by silver tongue; 11-24-2015 at 08:29 PM. Reason: missed a couple of missing persons


11-24-2015, 08:50 PM - papertrail
RSBM. Who would be on the list? Also is the list confined to WA? I know police can't investigate disappearances from other jurisdictions, but the quote could mean police will be examining 16 disappearances it to see if they are related to the CSK.
1. Sarah Spiers
2. Julie Cutler
3. Sarah McMahon (Donald Morey)
4. Hayley Dodd (alleged Francis Wark)
5. Rachel Campbell (Richard Dorrough)

Some of the information that Silver Tongue supplied is not complete or accurate. Here is an accurate date order list; very spine chilling. I've included the Birnie abductions because it shows something as some missing victims immediately prior had connection to area where Catherine Birnie was living.

25/8/1969 Jean Climas ex Mosman Park missing. initially from Vic. May have taken on new identity. 

22/9/1969 Anne Zapelli ex Geraldton although from Morowa. policeman boyfriend. missing walking home from drive-in theatre. SA pedophile in area at time death bed confession. 

9/12/1975 Glenyce McGowan ex Nunaturra camping ground traveling to Darwin ex Parmelia. 

28/12/1979 Kerryn Tate missing found at Boulder Rock. Found deceased by fire (?) May be occult connection as she had connection to group. 

21/3/1980 Sophie Woodman (traveling last known in Vic with young girlfriend who left and went to Qld, Sophie's homebase WA)

13/9/1980 Annette Deverell ex Mandurah outside post office last seen talking to man in yellow panelvan; headless corpse located 7/7/1982 Waroona Dam. 


30/10/1980 Lisa Mott ex Collie missing; last seen talking to man in yellow panel van. Birnie known to have been in Collie at time. 

18/3/1986 Sharon Fulton ex East Perth Railway Station missing dropped off by husband. Maybe domestic involvement.

26/5/1986 Cheryl Renwick ex South Perth worked at psych hostel Northbridge. Could man named Masters be responsible?

27/8/1986 Barbara Western ex Vic Park, located 19/3/1991 (cemetery record) Spectacles (south of Perth). Headless torso in roadside ditch

6/10/1986 - 10/11/1986 5 x Birnie abductions; 4 murders 1 survivor. 

20/8/1987 Sally Greenham ex Adelaide Terrace after alighting taxi. Had traveled from Geraldton (not in taxi), missing.

20/6/1988 Julie Cutler ex Parmelia Hilton hotel Perth after staff function. Car found in surf at Cottesloe 2 days later. Missing. 

29/6/1991 Kerry Turner ex Victoria Park dropped of by taxi outside Cafe L'Affair (spelling ?), on way to Armadale. Witnessed getting into car which traveled east towards Midland. Had been to Pinocchio's Nightclub in Perth.

16/5/1992 Radina Djukich ex North Beach. (shockingly) had been handed to known pedophile through court system. Missing. Pedophile subsequently convicted of murder of woman in following year.

13/7/1992 Cariad Slater missing 67a Rosewood Ave Woodlands. Solved man charged and convicted; case going through appeal process. Located in yard he lived in and address where taxi had dropped her off at.

7/10/1993 Alex Turner brother of Kerry Turner (missing 23/6/1991) murdered in homophobic attack. 

27/1/1996 Sarah Spiers ex Claremont; missing

9/6/1996 Jane Rimmer missing ex Claremont, murdered located Wellard 3/8/1996

15/1/1997 Sara-Lee Davey ex Broome, missing. Man charged with murder Richard Dorrough 2015.

15/3/1997 Ciara Glennon ex Claremont, missing. Located murdered Eglinton 3/4/1997

9/11/1998 Lisa Brown ex Northbridge (street worker). Missing.

28/4/1999 Petronella Albert ex Broome. Could Dorrough be responsible?

29/7/1999 Hayley Dodd ex Badgingarra missing. Wark and 'one other' alleged murderers; one other now deceased suicide.

8/10/1999 Lisa Govan ex Kalgoorlie missing. Wark may be involved.

25/1/1999 Deborah Anderson ex Woodvale. Located Midland area deceased in driver's seat of burnt vehicle.

8/11/2000 Sarah McMahon ex Claremont work place lived with parents Parkerville; missing. Morey believed responsible. Coroner's inquest outcome.

15/11/2001 Susan Christie ex Daglish, missing. Ex husband charged and convicted, successful technical-based appeal quashed sentence. 

18/3/2002 Christine Schipp ex Middle Swan. Prostitute. missing, located 6/5/2003 (cemetery record)

25/3/2003 Darrylyn Ugle. Street worker ex Northbridge. Located at Farrell Grove Mundaring Weir, ligature used Morey believed responsible. Matching forensics too circumstantial. 

1/6/2003 Judy M'ringu ex Africa, call girl missing ex Bentley. 

3/5/2010 Iveta Mitchell missing ex residence Parmelia. Had worked at hotel near Mundaring.

Last edited by papertrail; 11-24-2015 at 10:04 PM.


11-25-2015, 12:14 am - J35  
Will you two be posting your timestamp information soon? I was going to wait until you both had posted but I got tired of waiting.. sorry
11-25-2015, 05:49 AM -Bartholemeus  
3 more missing women;
1997 Albany WA 25 Peta Weber -Anglo
1995 Kardinya WA 20 Karen Skinner- Anglo
1992 Armadale WA 46 Debra Donachy -Anglo


25-11-2015 - silver tongue 
im prettysure karen skinner has been located
Last edited by silver tongue; 11-25-2015 at 08:23 AM. Reason: spelling


11-25-2015, 09:20 AM - elastic  e
Quote Originally Posted by papertrail  
Some of the information that Silver Tongue supplied is not complete or accurate. Here is an accurate date order list; very spine chilling. I've included the Birnie abductions because it shows something as some missing victims immediately prior had connection to area where Catherine Birnie was living.
25/8/1969 Jean Climas ex Mosman Park missing. initially from Vic. May have taken on new identity. 
22/9/1969 Anne Zapelli ex Geraldton although from Morowa. policeman boyfriend. missing walking home from drive-in theatre. SA pedophile in area at time death bed confession. 
9/12/1975 Glenyce McGowan ex Nunaturra camping ground traveling to Darwin ex Parmelia. 
28/12/1979 Kerryn Tate missing found at Boulder Rock. Found deceased by fire (?) May be occult connection as she had connection to group. 
21/3/1980 Sophie Woodman (traveling last known in Vic with young girlfriend who left and went to Qld, Sophie's homebase WA)
13/9/1980 Annette Deverell ex Mandurah outside post office last seen talking to man in yellow panelvan; headless corpse located 7/7/1982 Waroona Dam. 
30/10/1980 Lisa Mott ex Collie missing; last seen talking to man in yellow panel van. Birnie known to have been in Collie at time. 
18/3/1986 Sharon Fulton ex East Perth Railway Station missing dropped off by husband. Maybe domestic involvement.
26/5/1986 Cheryl Renwick ex South Perth worked at psych hostel Northbridge. Could man named Masters be responsible?
27/8/1986 Barbara Western ex Vic Park, located 19/3/1991 (cemetery record) Spectacles (south of Perth). Headless torso in roadside ditch
6/10/1986 - 10/11/1986 5 x Birnie abductions; 4 murders 1 survivor. 
20/8/1987 Sally Greenham ex Adelaide Terrace after alighting taxi. Had traveled from Geraldton (not in taxi), missing.
20/6/1988 Julie Cutler ex Parmelia Hilton hotel Perth after staff function. Car found in surf at Cottesloe 2 days later. Missing. 
29/6/1991 Kerry Turner ex Victoria Park dropped of by taxi outside Cafe L'Affair (spelling ?), on way to Armadale. Witnessed getting into car which traveled east towards Midland. Had been to Pinocchio's Nightclub in Perth.
16/5/1992 Radina Djukich ex North Beach. (shockingly) had been handed to known pedophile through court system. Missing. Pedophile subsequently convicted of murder of woman in following year.
13/7/1992 Cariad Slater missing 67a Rosewood Ave Woodlands. Solved man charged and convicted; case going through appeal process. Located in yard he lived in and address where taxi had dropped her off at.
7/10/1993 Alex Turner brother of Kerry Turner (missing 23/6/1991) murdered in homophobic attack. 
27/1/1996 Sarah Spiers ex Claremont; missing
9/6/1996 Jane Rimmer missing ex Claremont, murdered located Wellard 3/8/1996
15/1/1997 Sara-Lee Davey ex Broome, missing. Man charged with murder Richard Dorrough 2015.
15/3/1997 Ciara Glennon ex Claremont, missing. Located murdered Eglinton 3/4/1997
9/11/1998 Lisa Brown ex Northbridge (street worker). Missing.
28/4/1999 Petronella Albert ex Broome. Could Dorrough be responsible?
29/7/1999 Hayley Dodd ex Badgingarra missing. Wark and 'one other' alleged murderers; one other now deceased suicide.
8/10/1999 Lisa Govan ex Kalgoorlie missing. Wark may be involved.
25/1/1999 Deborah Anderson ex Woodvale. Located Midland area deceased in driver's seat of burnt vehicle.
8/11/2000 Sarah McMahon ex Claremont work place lived with parents Parkerville; missing. Morey believed responsible. Coroner's inquest outcome.
15/11/2001 Susan Christie ex Daglish, missing. Ex husband charged and convicted, successful technical-based appeal quashed sentence. 
18/3/2002 Christine Schipp ex Middle Swan. Prostitute. missing, located 6/5/2003 (cemetery record)
25/3/2003 Darrylyn Ugle. Street worker ex Northbridge. Located at Farrell Grove Mundaring Weir, ligature used Morey believed responsible. Matching forensics too circumstantial. 
1/6/2003 Judy M'ringu ex Africa, call girl missing ex Bentley. 
3/5/2010 Iveta Mitchell missing ex residence Parmelia. Had worked at hotel near Mundaring.
Well that makes for terrifying reading. It appears WA may just be a haven for serial killers running rampant, or we quite possibly have one of hell of a serial killer running round whilst the police rely on DNA and their cushy desk jobs to solve the case instead of the old fashion detective work that would more than likely crack the case wide open. 
How did the CSK victims die? Rope?
Someone was saying cut throat, because of insect wounds? Where is the proof?
Rope and strangulation come up alot. If its like Karrakata then rope or cable?
So the serial rapist was able to evade Police so easily and could confidently navigate Perth with a dead body in the boot, or back.
So the Van is a commercial Van according to Brett christian. Or a panel van according to an old article.
Some articles mention Police mans son. A Blonde man too offering lifts. Or MM, or is MM one of the ones mentioned in the articles? Or is MM the martial arts expert?
Would a Police mans son confidently drive a body around Perth if the car was a private vehicle owned by a Police officer?
Lots of questions im sure the police could have easily investigated.
If the reports are correct all former suspects are cleared. The unofficial suspects of the highgate man or predator, or the martial arts expert are still not officially ruled out.
Bring on the coronial inquest, it borders on corruption that after 20 years there is still no inquest, atleast one political party is promising to set that right.
11-25-2015, 09:56 PM - papertrail  
Will you two be posting your timestamp information soon? I was going to wait until you both had posted but I got tired of waiting.. sorry[/QUOTE
still working on it; waiting for someone to get back to me on something.
11-25-2015, 10:08 PM- papertrail  
Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post
3 more missing women;
1997 Albany WA 25 Peta Weber Anglo
1995 Kardinya WA 20 Karen Skinner Anglo
1992 Armadale WA 46 Debra Donachy Anglo
I did not include Peta Weber as it is believed a person close to her was involved. Her date is 22/6/1997 ex a location called "the Bluff" near Albany.
Debra Donnachy case is interesting. She went missing 14/5/1992 ex her residence in Armadale; reported by her husband James Donnachy. He was interviewed by police on 20/5/1992 and committed suicide via car accident - into tree - on 21/5. He had attempted to murder her one year prior to her disappearance and the law process regarding the attempted murder was current at the time she disappeared. She was located at Karragullen buried in a shallow grave 10/4/2004.
James Donnachy may have had something to do with the Turner and Tate murders IMO. 
Do you have any further information on Karen Skinner ?


11-25-2015, 10:15 PM - papertrail  
QUOTE "Someone was saying cut throat, because of insect wounds? Where is the proof?"
Given the WA police released specific information about one of two suspects in the CIA doc; in particular the man that carried a loaded auto rifle under his seat, might show there was a gun involved.
11-25-2015, 10:18 PM -Bartholemeus  
How did the CSK victims die? Rope?
Someone was saying cut throat, because of insect wounds? Where is the proof?
There's two ways of telling 100%;
a) there are cut marks on the neck bone which will only be present as a result of a deep cut, and
b) The body has not yet decomposed enough and the cuts in the skin can be seen
Both bodies were decomposed enough to not be able to see the cuts in the skin and neither had cuts on the bone.
The reason they couldn't see the cuts, particularly in CGs case was the area had been eaten away by insects. This is consistent with throats being cut, i.e. 100% of the time throats are cut there is more insect activity in that area. An obvious place for insects to start basically.
So it's not 100% but it's very close.
This is documented in DMs book. She does have a few incorrect facts in her book so it's possible she is mistaken but highly unlikely.
11-26-2015, 05:32 AM -Basilisk  
My understanding is that she was strangled with electrical cable, and that she escaped and ran to the repatriation hospital.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?294568-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-3/page17


11-26-2015, 06:13 AM - Bartholemeus  
Quote Originally Posted by papertrail  View Post
Do you have any further information on Karen Skinner ?
Silver Tongue feels she might have been found but all I can find is this:
http://www.afp.gov.au/media-centre/n...g-persons.aspx
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/ar...ssing-daughter
It seems as of 2013 she was still missing. I can't see her turning up in the last 2 years.
11-26-2015, 07:25 AM -J35  
Has anyone been able to find information on these two? Ausgirl posted about them in an old CSK thread (April 2014). 
Barbara Westorn , found in bushland north-east of Canning Dam , Perth , murdered.
Kelly Turner , 18 , body found near Canning Dam , July 1991 murdered.
11-26-2015, 08:39 AM -silver tongue 
reg karen skinner
this site claims she's been located? 
http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/med...%20/progress%2
elastic  
Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post
There's two ways of telling 100%;
a) there are cut marks on the neck bone which will only be present as a result of a deep cut, and
b) The body has not yet decomposed enough and the cuts in the skin can be seen
Both bodies were decomposed enough to not be able to see the cuts in the skin and neither had cuts on the bone.
The reason they couldn't see the cuts, particularly in CGs case was the area had been eaten away by insects. This is consistent with throats being cut, i.e. 100% of the time throats are cut there is more insect activity in that area. An obvious place for insects to start basically.
So it's not 100% but it's very close.
This is documented in DMs book. She does have a few incorrect facts in her book so it's possible she is mistaken but highly unlikely.
So this is your oppinion, yet you state it like fact.
Could electrical cord, or a thin rope also cut through the skin if a victim was small enough, and the serial rapist was strong enough ( which he probably is if he is going around using a blitz attack method to bound and subdue them before bungling them into his vehicle.
I am not convinced insect bites tell the full story.
This is misleading but i value your theory. 
I think the police know exactly how the girls died, they just arent saying anything. 
Is there any evidence at all or any articles that clearly indicate a possible method of killing the girls? I remember a foreign article may have referenced a cause of death for one of the girls


11-26-2015, 03:12 PM - Bartholemeus  
Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post
So this is your oppinion, yet you state it like fact.
You need to settle down.
Is is scientific fact that insect activity is heavy around cut throats. It is also fact fact that this information was in DMs book. DM claims she got the info from police. 
Common sense tells us that it's unlikely she fabricated this information and therefore we can deduce it's highly likely true.
11-27-2015, 02:20 AM - J35  
Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post
Is there any evidence at all or any articles that clearly indicate a possible method of killing the girls? I remember a foreign article may have referenced a cause of death for one of the girls
Believe your talking about this article dated 4 April 1997. It states that JR was strangled. This makes sense IF the 'forensic link' between Karrakatta rape and JR is the use of cable/flex, and IF it is indeed not a DNA link.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish...killer-1.58756
DNA is unlikely, if found at JR crime scene, it would have been highly degraded. IF the link is DNA, they would likely only use familial DNA if the DNA (if obtained) from the Karrakatta rape is also degraded (unlikely if collected by the hospital at the time and if correct forensic preservation methods were carried out and continued). In this scenario, you'd have a partial match that you are then trying to match to familial DNA.
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elastic  
Quote Originally Posted by J35  View Post
Believe your talking about this article dated 4 April 1997. It states that JR was strangled. This makes sense IF the 'forensic link' between Karrakatta rape and JR is the use of cable/flex, and IF it is indeed not a DNA link.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish...killer-1.58756
DNA is unlikely, if found at JR crime scene, it would have been highly degraded. IF the link is DNA, they would likely only use familial DNA if the DNA (if obtained) from the Karrakatta rape is also degraded (unlikely if collected by the hospital at the time and if correct forensic preservation methods were carried out and continued). In this scenario, you'd have a partial match that you are then trying to match to familial DNA.
Thanks for that. Strangulation is the most likely cause in my opinion. I am wondering if its electrical cable, or something similar and as strong as cable?
Bartholemeus, you still havent answered the question, why couldnt cuts from cable cause insect acticity. Stop presenting your theory as fact!
11-27-2015, 07:58 AM- elastic  
If its strangulation, possibly by cable that our serial rapist prefered as his way of killing his victims then it could be possible the kill site was the abduction site or where his car was parked. He then may have traveled to his dump zone the same night, unless the reason he hid Sarah Spiers so well is because he abducted and rapes her before killing her. He more than likely would have used gloves you would think.


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Thanks for that. Strangulation is the most likely cause in my opinion. I am wondering if its electrical cable, or something similar and as strong as cable?
Bartholemeus, you still havent answered the question, why couldnt cuts from cable cause insect acticity. Stop presenting your theory as fact!
1. I haven't presented any theories as fact. Based on the information available to all of us, it is likely that the throats were cut. 
2. If a ligature were used there would be bruising on other parts on the neck. I didn't explain because I thought it was obvious.
You're welcome to think whatever you like.
11-27-2015, 08:07 AM - elastic  
Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post
1. I haven't presented any theories as fact. Yet. Based on the information available to all of us, it is likely that the throats were cut. 
2. If a ligature were used there would be bruising on other parts on the neck. I didn't explain because I thought it was obvious.
And after that much time exposed to the elements you would notice these things. I am not buying your theory. However our claremont rapist may have used strangulation on some victims and knife on others, or both, who knows. But your insect theory is weak.
11-27-2015, 08:25 AM - J35 
bartholemeus, maybe you are giving what DM said re throat cut too much weight. I don't want to argue with you nor do I disrespect what you are saying (you have provided great thoughts throughout- you still have me convinced about judoman re CSA doco), but DM couldn't even get the pics of the locations right for the two girls (Pic of Wellard for CG). Maybe she got fed bad info at the time, there seems to have been a fair bit at the time (eg. Media Statements that all poi's had been cleared, then denied strongly by police re LW). Do you totally refute the possibility that the 'forensic link' is cable/flex used to strangulate? If throat cutting is involved as DM says, what do you think the 'forensic link' is between karrakatta and JR? 
Wire, if applied strongly enough, could leave a cut. 
I'm not saying your wrong, it's just that the link seems more likely to be the use of cable/flex... unless it's the 'blitz attack' that is the link and media is blowing out of proportion...
If there is evidence of petechia in the eyes, this would suggest strangulation. Would it last 6 or so weeks, I don't know.
11-27-2015, 08:28 AM - elastic  
If the Claremont rapist was going around using a 'blitz attack' style method of subduing his victims and bungling them into his vehicle, and chose strangulation as his preferred method to kill (possibly because its clean), then I am certain he would have had the strength to choke someone hard enough with cable or something similar in diameter and just as strong hard enough to cause substantial blood around the neck area. If a body was 'exposed to the elements' then I am sure the insects first area they would have targeted would have been the exposed area cut through by whatever means be in cable or knife, I hardly doubt just because insects were present a knife was used because it fits into your 'theory'
The victims were teenage girls, he hardly chose tough targets, someone like Sarah was tiny and would easily have ended up having substantial neck wounds from being choked with cable by our raging rapist.
I find it strange that the location given to Don Spiers of Sarah's whereabouts has never been revealed, despite the possibility she may solve the case due to having possibly been raped to conceal DNA (speculation) but i'm sure that would be an extremly high probability given the evidence we know.
There were rumours it was in Karnup in a Forrest or regional park around there. However Don Spiers, I believe specifically mentions a large area in hectares which I don't think actually fits the Karnup regional parks/ bush areas. Why wouldn't you tell the public in case someone could help with information given someone in the dumping area given to Don may have been driving in the area and could come forward if they remembered around the time something seemed suss. However this specific area could be linked to the Perth Rapist, being his first spot, it may be his most familiar, and possibly a camping ground of some sorts and he may be known or seen by locals regularly over the years. - we will never know anyways so its all speculation. The Police I doubt probably never really investigated the lead when they narrowed their investigation to the wrong guys.
Also the possibility of tracing the lead to a telephone booth, or even a mobile phone (MM?!?) the call to Don Spiers that has supposedly came from the Claremont rapist, did they investigate the time of the call, was the call at a similar time to the claremont abductions?.
There is so many potential leads that I hope our incompetent keystone cops investigated back in the cowboy days of WA Policing. I am sure they would never make those same mistakes. Its however a sad case when the Claremont failures may have been the turning point to a shake up in the professionalism of the Police force, especially with the humiliation of Caporn and the disgraceful antics of Hancock and co.
Very sad that the era will be tainted and the biggest most expensive investigation has been bungled because of some moronic egos parading around invincible at the time disgracing the name of true Police officer
11-27-2015, 08:31 AM- 253 J35  
Also, decomp can cause the skin to split open. This could be mistaken for a cut. Depends on how far progressed it was. Id be interested to know how experienced/rank the cop who told DM was, then I could weight what she wrote better
11-27-2015, 08:39 AM -Bartholemeus  
Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post
And after that much time exposed to the elements you would notice these things. I am not buying your theory. However our claremont rapist may have used strangulation on some victims and knife on others, or both, who knows. But your insect theory is weak.
You are welcome to think whatever you like.
11-27-2015, 08:42 AM- Bartholemeus  
Quote Originally Posted by J35  View Post
bartholemeus, maybe you are giving what DM said re throat cut too much weight. I don't want to argue with you nor do I disrespect what you are saying (you have provided great thoughts throughout- you still have me convinced about judoman re CSA doco), but DM couldn't even get the pics of the locations right for the two girls (Pic of Wellard for CG). Maybe she got fed bad info at the time, there seems to have been a fair bit at the time (eg. Media Statements that all poi's had been cleared, then denied strongly by police re LW). Do you totally refute the possibility that the 'forensic link' is cable/flex used to strangulate? If throat cutting is involved as DM says, what do you think the 'forensic link' is between karrakatta and JR? 
Wire, if applied strongly enough, could leave a cut. 
I'm not saying your wrong, it's just that the link seems more likely to be the use of cable/flex... unless it's the 'blitz attack' that is the link and media is blowing out of proportion..
If there is evidence of petechia in the eyes, this would suggest strangulation. Would it last 6 or so weeks, I don't know.
You are welcome to think whatever you like.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?294568-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-3/page18
11-27-2015, 09:04 AM- Bartholemeus  
Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post
I hardly doubt just because insects were present a knife was used because it fits into your 'theory'
Just so you know; I'm on record as leaning strongly towards strangulation. Then I did some research which extended far beyond DM's book and can all but confirm the girls had their throats cut. I won't be posting what that research entails but I'd say I've posted more than anyone else on this subject and don't have a track record or reputation for talking rubbish.
As I said, you are free to believe whatever you please.
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11-27-2015, 09:13 AM -J35  
Quote Originally Posted by Bartholemeus  View Post
...I did some research which extended far beyond DM's book and can all but confirm the girls had their throats cut. I won't be posting what that research entails but I'd say I've posted more than anyone else on this subject and don't have a track record or reputation for talking truth..
This is the reply I wanted. This makes me understand why you believe what you believe. Before It sounded like 'DM wrote it so it's true'. Thus my original response. Thank you for the clarification.
elastic  
Most of the evidence points towards Strangulation, and Ironically some of our local known serial killers are renowned for also using this method. It seems a clean way to kill, and I am also not ruling out that if you are so convinced that they had their throats cut that there is the possibility that they may have had their throats cut post mortem somewhere near the kill site as some final act to try and get off before the dump and run. He made no attempt to hide the bodies, he was confident DNA was not on them, he must have wore gloves, used a cable of some sort or something similar in diameter, probably killed them where he abducted them and more than likely took them into the bush somewhere and played round with them before dumping them. If their throats were cut it would have been then. Not whilst they were still alive.
However if you believe you can refute that by all means, but that is my 'theory' based on the facts I have seen. My theory is that they possibly haven't had their throats cut however, its the first paragraph where I believe they were more than likely strangled and the Forensic link is the fact the same cable/rope is linked, or something of a diameter strong enough to subdue but also small enough in diameter to choke and kill. If you think you are right then you theory is flawed as it doesn't convince me beyond doubt that insects are only in the wound due to a knife exclusively and that Debbi Marshall backs that up when it was during the rumour days of the Claremont Rapist case, anything else you are not prepared to say so Its ofcourse specualtion.
There is also a foreign article backing the strangulation theory up. This is significant because it was in a foreign country and also didn't have that idiotic gag order on the media so that we didn't play with the claremont rapists ego. Which I find so ridiculous. The Foreign article posted as far back as 1997 actually fits into all the recent evidence and articles going back to even the cloths line/ ink theory which fits in with subdue by strangulation during a powerful blitz attack and bungle into car (White Stationwagon or VAN which is out of view in an inconspicuous carpark if its a commercial VAN then they are hard to see into making them perfect for a psychopath) possibly with the victim dead or having died due to the blitz attack (and strangulation) before being dropped and left at the dump site. So I would much rather discuss things that line up with the facts and media releases that have been coming out over the last few years whilst they tell us they are about to catch this killer.
There have been other posts that yourself Bartholemeus have posted that have been misleading or you have refuted crucial early information posted by papertrail which is now incredibly helpful now we know the police bungled the case and narrowed in on all the wrong suspects in the early days and ruined the investigation in the most crucial stages. So those articles from Papertrail are priceless. The Policemens son offering lifts, what a way to drive around in the early days if your Police dad had a commercial van/ or Station wagon and you could drive around and do your disgusting acts in the privacy of the VAN/ back of wagon knowing noone would be able to see into it. You would roam Perth undisturbed as the license checks would ultimately leave you alone to roam at your pleasure. Perth was lazy and sleepy in those years, not alot of cops on the streets, it was an easy place to get away with drink driving etc so even if you weren't a Police mans son it would have still been easy to trek 45km unnoticed by Police in those years, having access to a police officers private car though makes things interesting.
I am very keen to see the time stamp too, I think it has relevence, and if paper trail is true to his word he has been more important to this investigation than anyone else publicly in my oppinion. He has news paper articles and can locate articles that actually allow Sleuthers to become active. You provide your theory and offer no facts, you keep the investigation going in a circle. I think your posts are valuable mind you, you are insightful, dont take me too negatively. I just want you to be more specific when discussing your theory and not play it like a fact when you gave me the same lecture earlier which I respect and have attempted to correct for the good of the thread.
The investigation has never been better for the public and interest is just as much now as in the early years after a huge 10 year lul
I would still love to see someone refute the Morey possibility, he literally has the same abduction tools as our claremont rapist, He is rumored to have a bag full of some type of rope abduction kit according to a Coronial report. It could very well be highgate man, and one of the most decent investigators during those years 'Bayens' (He is a genuinely good cop) and if his suspect is correct, and they are about to crack the case, bye bye Morey for another 25 years.
Again Not saying Morey is our man, he does fit in somewhere and has never been refuted so needs to stay ruled in. Sarah McMahon is almost a splitting Image of Sarah Spiers too and I often actually confuse the two when their missing people pictures come up in the news articles etc. He operated at a very similar time and his known crimes lead back to the CSK years ironically if you look at a possible lead in theory to a new hunting ground in highgate where even easier female targets were on offer who would willingly get into his car before being strangled. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE he was locked up. WA sentences barely run a quarter and that's for killing people with manslaugther, many counts of sexual offenses from known sex offenders get barely 3-4 years at the best of times. That's just how the WA legal system works. I Still want proof. Bayens may have cracked it and wanted to get his story out there before its cracked publicly.
There is the possibility MysterMan is Martial Arts Expert too, he hasn't been ruled out. We don't know if the Martial Arts Expert is serial rapist Clare (another shady character in WA simultaneously with other psychopaths), we don't know if Martial Arts expert is Judoman. We also dont know if MysteryMan is relevant. The Police made us believe he was, I think he may very well be, and if Papertrail provides the time stamp I would love to see what he may have come up with. I hope he is genuine.
The most amazing aspect of the case is the approximately 9 attempted rapes and abductions/ and ofcourse the killings that operated within Perth's most affluent suburb. This you would expect to be the most secure and highly investigated part of Perth, You would think all mild cases of theft, to ofcourse minor assaults would be high priority, any attempted rape or abduction would be monumental and Police would ramp up every resource to get to the bottom of every aspect of those cases with a view to solve each and everyone of them. But the scary thing is that they only started to act when the bodies started turning up for all the world to see. Why were so many early case not investigated properly, this just does not make any sense, It is unbelievable, and I hope we don't find out something sinister was happening. Then they bungled the case with the most corrupt cops leading the charge in the most crucial years. It really is disgusting. The WA Police owe the Perth public resolution to the case. Especially by giving the case to some of WA's most corrupt detectives when it was their highest profile investigation ever. I hope we don't find out someone doing these nasty crimes was somehow linked to the WA Police force. Or has some family maybe covered up and now with the stakes so high, we probably wont know unless their is an inquest.
Just like the Hayley Dodd investigation I expect that even if there was an Coronial Inquest, we would find out that the most crucial evidence was somehow 'lost' or 'mis-placed' and the case is now unsolvable, and possibly was once solvable but through complete incompetence it now will never be. The Hayley Dodd and the Police honestly let that Mother down big time, the case could have been solved and the grief could have been lifted many years before this moment, and its still not over. Perth's confidence in their own Police force has been shattered into unrecoverable levels. I am not saying Margaret Dodd's grief would be gone, but having resolution would help her recover from this shattering experience. I imagine Don Spiers is still in pieces to this day, he has nothing to lose by being more public though given how much he was let down. I hope he one day is.
The narrow focus destroyed the case. The profile of who they thought this rapist was couldn't have been more wrong. People suspected Police Car or Taxi, now its becoming apparent it could have been Blitz attack, strangulation, bungling them into Van (and possibly later White Commodore Station Wagon, or either) and driven to the dump site, and possibly played with near the dump site further away from where the body drop happened before they dumped the victims
I still think if we got more information about where Sarah Spiers could possibly be, and if they Claremont rapist did ring Don Spiers then whats the harm after all these years in revealing the details of where this large area of bush is, Does anyone know where the Karnup regional park/forest rumours started?
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11-27-2015, 03:33 PM- Bartholemeus  
As I said, I have no history of lying, misrepresenting the truth nor misinterpreting information. You are free to believe what you want.
11-27-2015, 09:27 PM- silver tongue  
great write up elastic, thoroughly was enjoying the read until you began your police cover up theory. do you really think if the son or relative of a serving police officer, detective was involved in murder and were aware of this they would simply turn a blind eye or try to cover for him i think not if the police are as corrupt as you say may be you should be careful what you post
11-27-2015, 10:05 PM- J35 
Can we please get back on track. I don't want this thread closed.
11-27-2015, 10:26 PM- Bartholemeus 
Quote Originally Posted by elastic  View Post
There have been other posts that yourself Bartholemeus have posted that have been misleading or you have refuted crucial early information posted by papertrail
Please let me know what they are so I can clarify them.
11-28-2015, 12:20 AM- J35  
Let's assume that there is indeed a 'forensic link' between the Karrakatta rape and JR.
So, if we can work out how it happened, it will give us insight into how the 'blitz attack' on JR (and assumably all 3) occurred.
Was the person(s) driving past Rowe park at the time, saw the 17yo, jumped out, blindfolded her (something over the head?) and/or tied up, then bailed her into the vehicle?
Did the person(s) parked up near Rowe park, was hiding in the bushes and ambushed the 17yo as she walked past? If so what is the most likely parking spot?
Was it two people- one stalked the 17yo, ambushed her at Rowe Park and bailed her into accomplice vehicle?
Assuming the sightings of vehicles in the SS and CG cases are correct, the first seems most plausible. 
How did the person(s) keep the 17yo from screaming at any time during the attack? How did a single person keep this girl under control getting her in and out of the vehicle.
I use the word person(s) to be open-minded to other possibilities.
If the majority of Claremont attacks was the same person (e.g bayview attempted rape and Claremont subway) this would suggest the person walked around.
11-28-2015, 12:51 AM- Bartholemeus  
Quote Originally Posted by J35  View Post
Let's assume that there is indeed a 'forensic link' between the Karrakatta rape and JR.


So, if we can work out how it happened, it will give us insight into how the 'blitz attack' on JR (and assumably all 3) occurred.
Was the person(s) driving past Rowe park at the time, saw the 17yo, jumped out, blindfolded her (something over the head?) and/or tied up, then bailed her into the vehicle?
Did the person(s) parked up near Rowe park, was hiding in the bushes and ambushed the 17yo as she walked past? If so what is the most likely parking spot?
The latter would be most likely. The guy had a bag and electrical cord at hand. Seemed like a planned attack. There's a car park right in the middle of Rowe Park. This is the most likely spot he parked his car.
Was it two people- one stalked the 17yo, ambushed her at Rowe Park and bailed her into accomplice vehicle?
It would have to be one person. Even if they never spoke, the victim would be able to ascertain it was two guys. Two sets of footsteps, two vehicle doors to close etc
Assuming the sightings of vehicles in the SS and CG cases are correct, the first seems most plausible.
Possible but unless she was fall-over drunk she would have seen him coming. As in car pull over and then approach by foot. Media articles imply she was taken by surprise.
How did the person(s) keep the 17yo from screaming at any time during the attack? How did a single person keep this girl under control getting her in and out of the vehicle.
Controlling her physically would be easy. The victim was 17 and from what I understand, slightly built.
Stopping her screaming? Maybe by verbal threats. Maybe by using a knife. When he grabbed her he might have had his hand over her mouth. It wouldn't have been easy.




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Questions remain over missing Susan Margaret Christie's  murder
Joseph Sapienza - FEBRUARY 17 2009

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/questions-remain-over-missing-womans-murder-20090217-89ym.html

A woman who has been missing since November 2001 was probably murdered, the WA Coroner's Court heard today.
But the circumstances surrounding her death remain a mystery. Her body has never been found and the person or people who committed the crime are likely to never face charges.

Susan Margaret Christie was reported missing on November 20, 2001 by her first husband, Ian Ure. She was last seen about 10.28pm on the night of November 15 by her neighbour when a taxi dropped her off at her one-bedroom unit in Curry Street, Jolimont, after a trip to the Wembley Hotel to pick up a bottle of wine.
Giving evidence today, South Metropolitan District Superintendent Scott Higgins said police believed the 42-year-old Ms Christie was killed sometime between November 15 and 16.

Her second husband, Rory Kirk Christie, was sentenced to life imprisonment for her murder in October 2003 after a month-long trial in the WA Supreme Court which heard from over 100 witnesses.
He successfully appealed the sentence in March 2005, and had his case dismissed in a retrial by Justice John McKechnie in November 2005.

"I conclude that there is a defect in the evidence about the accused's opportunity to dispose of the body," Justice McKechnie said in his acquittal of Christie.

"Taken at its highest, the evidence cannot sustain a verdict of guilty. I therefore direct that a verdict of not guilty be recorded and a judgment of acquittal be entered."

Christie is understood to have since returned to his native Canada.

Today, Superintendent Higgins confirmed police were "not actively investigating" the case anymore and conceded "no one was likely to be charged".
"All avenues of inquiry have been exhausted in this case," he told the court.

State Coroner Alistair Hope reserved his findings into the inquest, but conceded that "on the basis of the evidence" Ms Christie was dead.
"I am prepared to find beyond reasonable doubt that (Susan Margaret Christie) is deceased," he said.
"The death was an unlawful homicide by a person or persons unknown."
Superintendent Higgins said during forensic investigations at her house, the chemical luminol uncovered blood on the sofa in the living room and "drag marks" of blood between the living room and the bedroom.
"Attempts had been made to clean the blood off the sofa and carpet," he said.

Ms Christie was born in Portsmouth, England in 1959 and was twice divorced. She had one child with Mr Ure and two sons with Mr Christie.
Superintendent Higgins said Ms Christie was "dedicated to her children", but the court heard both marriages ended as a result of her drinking problems.

"Her behaviour was deteriorating, according to Mr Ure, in the weeks before her disappearance," Superintendent Higgins said.
The woman's relationship with Mr Christie was described to the court as being "antagonistic and volatile".

Superintendent Higgins said on November 15, 2001, Mr Christie visited her at 9.30am to discuss access to her children over Christmas, while another friend visited her from 11am to 3.30pm in the afternoon.

The court was told after getting into a taxi to go to the Wembley Hotel, Ms Christie arrived back home in the same taxi shortly after at 10.28pm.

"She appeared drunk but happy according to her neighbour," Superintendent Higgins said, adding the neighbour was the last person to see her.

Phone records showed Ms Christie made some calls at 10.34pm.
"She has not been seen or heard of since that time," he said.

                                      Accused cop David Caporn can keep new job

                                                                                                                   PAIGE TAYLOR, WA POLITICAL REPORTER

                                                                                                                             The Australian, September 8, 2009

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/news/accused-cop-david-caporn-can-keep-new-job/news-story/5f89de42a24ce4794fb9ff8bdad4a435?nk=e49092919de1cc9c9eec2cbdf9757331-1487185960

AN assistant police commissioner accused by the Corruption and Crime Commission of misconduct in the infamous murder trial of Andrew Mallard can not be disciplined and can keep his new $130,000-a-year job in the public service.

A disciplinary process was underway against David Caporn in February when he quit the West Australian police service for a job as the community development director at the states Fire and Emergency Services Authority.

But a report tabled in parliament today has recommended the Barnett government consider public sector reform to avoid a repeat after finding that
Mr Caporns appointment is valid and the process commenced by the Commissioner of Police against Mr Caporn is unable to be completed.


Mr Caporn was a detective sergeant in 1994 when he headed the police investigation that led to the wrongful conviction of Mr Mallard for the murder of Perth mother Pamela Lawrence.

Mr Mallard spent 12 years in jail before the High Court quashed his conviction in 2005.

Retired NSW judge John Dunford QC investigated for the Corruption and Crime Commission and, in his opinions, said Mr Caporn engaged in misconduct in bringing
about alterations to the statements of various witnesses without any reference to their earlier recollections.


Mr Dunford also said Mr Caporn provided incorrect and misleading information to a police prosecutor in a letter dated June 17 1994. He recommended disciplinary proceedings but not criminal charges.

The report by the Public Sector Commissioner Mal Wauchope tabled today found the FESA interview panel deliberately decided not to contact Mr Caporns boss, Police Commissioner Karl OCallaghan, when doing referee checks.

The report stated that the head of the interview panel, FESA chief executive Jo Harrison-Ward, had been a work colleague of Mr Caporn for about 28 years and was likely to have been aware of
 the process commenced by the Commissioner of Police following the recommendations of the CCC (Corruption and Crime Commission).


In the report the Public Sector Commissioner wrote that in situations where the applicant was the subject of adverse opinions by the states corruption watchdog, it could be said to be of
 particular importance that the opinion of the applicants current boss were sought.


FESA issued a statement this afternoon welcoming the findings of the report which confirm FESAs appointment of Mr David Caporn was valid and that the processes and procedures used by
FESA were appropriate and in accordance with public sector recruitment and selection.


"FESA is committed to high ethical standards and has already acknowledged there were additional steps that could have been considered to tighten the procedures and have now incorporated these measures into their processes",
the statement reads.


Mr Wauchope's report recommends that the Barnett governments current public sector reform program consider options for dealing with unresolved disciplinary matters where there has been a change of employment from one government agency to another.


FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8, 2010

ANDREW MALLARD: FINDINGS OF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF CRIME AND CORRUPTION COMMISSION REPORT. TAMPERING WITH FORENSIC REPORTS BLASTED

http://smithforensic.blogspot.ie/2010/10/andrew-mallard-findings-of-findings-and.html

"The opinions as to misconduct may be summarised as follows.

1. That Det Sgt Caporn engaged in misconduct in writing the letter to the Police Prosecutor dated 17 June 1994 containing incorrect and misleading information.

2. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in requesting Mr Lynch to amend his reports by deleting all reference to the salt water testing.

3. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in bringing about the alterations to the statements of various witnesses without any reference to their earlier recollections.

4. That Det Sgt Caporn engaged in misconduct in bringing about the alterations to the statements of various witnesses without any reference to their earlier recollections.

5. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in making false entries in the Running Sheets relating to the amendments to the witnesses’ statements.

6. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in failing to disclose to the defence the original statements of the witnesses including Mr Lynch’s original report and details of the unsuccessful attempts to locate a weapon capable of inflicting wounds similar to those found on Mrs Lawrence.

7. That Mr Kenneth Bates engaged in misconduct in running the trial on the basis that a wrench as drawn by Andrew Mallard was the murder weapon,but, at the same time, failing to put Andrew Mallard’s drawing to Dr Cooke and asking whether the deceased’s injuries were consistent with the use of such an instrument.

8. That Mr Kenneth Bates engaged in misconduct in failing to disclose to the defence the pig’s head testing of the wrench or ensuring that it had been disclosed by the police."

SUMMARY OF FIMDINGS OF CRIME AND CORRUPTION COMMISSION REPORT: THANKS TO DR. BOB MOLES. NETWORKED KNOWLEDGE;

BACKGROUND ON THE ANDREW MALLARD CASE: Wikipedia informs us that: Andrew Mallard is a Western Australian who was wrongfully convicted of murder in 1995 and sentenced to life imprisonment. He was released from prison in 2006 after his conviction was quashed by the High Court of Australia. Mallard had been convicted of the murder of Pamela Lawrence, a business proprietor, who was killed at her shop, on May 23, 1994. The evidence used in Mallard's trial was scanty and obscure, and it was later revealed that police withheld vital information from his defence team. Almost twelve years later, after an appeal to the High Court, his conviction was quashed, and a re-trial ordered. However, the charges against him were dropped and Mallard was released. At the time, the Director of Public Prosecutions stated that Andrew Mallard remained the prime suspect and that if further evidence became available he could still be prosecuted. In 2006 police conducted a review of the investigation and subsequently a cold case review. As a result they uncovered sufficiently compelling evidence to charge convicted murderer Simon Rochford with the murder of Pamela Lawrence and to eliminate Andrew Mallard as a person of interest. After being publicly named as a suspect, Simon Rochford was found dead in his cell in Albany Prison, having committed suicide. The Western Australian Commission on Crime and Corruption is currently investigating whether there was misconduct by any public officer (police, prosecutors or Members of Parliament) associated with this case. Evidence at the Trial: Mallard was convicted chiefly on two pieces of evidence. The first was a set of police notes of interviews with Mallard during which, the police claimed, he had confessed. These notes had not been signed by Mallard. The second was a video recording of the last twenty minutes of Mallard's eleven hours of interviews. The video shows Mallard speculating as to how the murderer might have killed Pamela Lawrence; police claimed that, although it was given in third-person, it was a confession. Mallard had no history of violence; no murder weapon had been found. No blood was found on Mallard, despite the violence of the murder and the crime scene being covered with it. Nor was DNA evidence produced. He was convicted on the confessions purportedly given during unrecorded interviews and the partial video-recording of an interview. Despite this, Mallard's appeal to the Supreme Court of Western Australia, in 1996, was dismissed. Investigation:In 1998, Mallard's family enlisted the help of investigative journalist Colleen Egan, who in turn managed to get John Quigley MLA and Malcolm McCusker QC involved. All were appalled at the manner in which Mallard's trial had been conducted and eventually came to be convinced that he was innocent. Based on fresh evidence uncovered by this team, including a raft of police reports that, against standard practice, had never been passed to the defence team, the case was returned to the Court of Criminal Appeal in June 2003. Despite the fresh evidence and an uncontested claim that the DPP had deliberately concealed evidence from the defence, the Court of Criminal Appeal again dismissed the appeal. High Court Appeal: In October 2004, Mallard's legal team were granted special leave to appeal to the High Court of Australia and on September 6 and 7, 2005, Mallard's appeal was heard in the High Court and the Justices subsequently judged unanimously that his conviction be quashed and a re-trial be ordered. During the hearing, Justice Michael Kirby was reported to have said that on one of the pieces of evidence alone - a forensic report, not disclosed to the defence, showing that Mallard's theory about the weapon used in the murder could not have been true - a re-trial should have been ordered. The DPP did not immediately drop charges against Mallard but did so six months later immediately before a directions hearing was due. After almost twelve years in prison, Mallard was released on February 20, 2006. However in announcing that the trial would not proceed the DPP stated: "Finally, I note for the record and for the future that this decision is made on evidence presently available to the prosecution. The discharge of Mr Andrew Mallard on this charge does not alter the fact that he remains the prime suspect for this murder. Should any credible evidence present in the future which again gives the state reasonable prospects of obtaining a conviction again, the state would again prosecute him." Documentary: A documentary titled Saving Andrew Mallard was directed by Michael Muntz and produced by Artemis International, focussing on Mallard's family, their struggle to have him freed, the deception undertaken by the original police investigation team and the evidence uncovered that eventually led to Mallard's freedom. It was first aired on Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) Television on May 4, 2006. It was shortlisted for a Walkley Award and Michael Muntz won the Outstanding Achievement in Directing Award in the WA Screen Awards. The documentary's epilogue noted that the DPP still considered Mallard a prime suspect in their investigation at that time. Review of Investigation and Cold Case Review: Following the discontinuance of the prosecution by the DPP, the Commissioner of Police instituted a review of the investigation to establish whether there were sufficient grounds for a "cold case" review. The review quickly located a record of a palm print which matched that of Simon Rochford, who had confessed to murdering his girlfriend, Brigitta Dickens, on 15 July 1994, seven weeks after Mrs Lawrence was killed. The print had been found on the top of a display case in Lawrence's shop, which was significant, as it had been the practice of the shop staff to wipe the top of that case after each customer left. On this basis the review became a cold case review. The weapon used by Rochford to kill Dickens was a steel collar of the type used by weight lifters to secure weights to a bar. Rochford had attached the collar to a broom handle and used it to club Dickens to death. The actual collar could not be located in 2006 but its dimensions were known and a photograph was available. The shape and dimensions of the collar were consistent with the form of the wounds in Lawrence's skull. The photograph of the collar indicated that it was painted blue and a rucksack belonging to Rochford was found to contain blue paint flakes which were identical in chemical composition to those removed from Mrs Lawrence's wounds. Rochford's appearance, in particular his beard, was more consistent with the original accounts of eyewitnesses than was Mallard's. On May 12, 2006, five police officers were stood down by the West Australian Police Commissioner in relation to the original investigation into the murder. At about 7:45 am AWST on May 19, 2006, the body of Simon Rochford was discovered in his cell at Albany Maximum Security Prison by prison officers just hours after he had been named as "a person of significant interest" in the Pamela Lawrence investigation. On 11 October 2006 the Police Commissioner announced that the cold case review was complete, that Andrew Mallard was no longer a person of interest in relation to the case; that there was sufficient evidence to implicate Simon Rochford and that, if he had still been living the police would have prepared a Brief of Evidence against him for the WA Director of Public Prosecutions. The Police Commissioner apologised to Mallard for any part the police had played in his conviction. The Premier indicated that the government would be considering compensation, though the Attorney General stated that no decision could be made until the Commission on Crime and Corruption had completed its investigation. However, on 22 November 2006, the Adelaide advertiser carried an AAP story stating that Andrew Mallard had received A$200,000 as partial compensation. Commission on Crime and Corruption Hearings: The Commission on Crime and Corruption (CCC) announced that it was studying the report of the cold case review and would be holding public hearings in 2007. In the meantime it had asked the police to not release the full report, either to the public or within the police and, in particular, to ensure that police involved in the original investigation had no access to it. The CCC hearings into whether police and/or prosecutors behaved unethically or illegally in the Andrew Mallard case began on 31 July 2007. On 7 October 2008 the CCC announced its recommendations that disciplinary action be taken against two assistant police commissioners and the deputy director of public prosecution. In May 2009 Andrew Mallard was offered a payment of 3.25 million as settlement though the Premier of the state, Colin Barnett said that were Andrew to take civil action against those he held responsible for his wrongful conviction, the government would support any servant of the state in that event.

"Crime and Corruption Commission Report - summary of findings and recommendations paragraphs 76-78

The opinions as to misconduct may be summarised as follows.

1. That Det Sgt Caporn engaged in misconduct in writing the letter to the Police Prosecutor dated 17 June 1994 containing incorrect and misleading information.

2. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in requesting Mr Lynch to amend his reports by deleting all reference to the salt water testing.

3. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in bringing about the alterations to the statements of various witnesses without any reference to their earlier recollections.

4. That Det Sgt Caporn engaged in misconduct in bringing about the alterations to the statements of various witnesses without any reference to their earlier recollections.

5. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in making false entries in the Running Sheets relating to the amendments to the witnesses’ statements.

6. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in failing to disclose to the defence the original statements of the witnesses including Mr Lynch’s original report and details of the unsuccessful attempts to locate a weapon capable of inflicting wounds similar to those found on Mrs Lawrence.

7. That Mr Kenneth Bates engaged in misconduct in running the trial on the basis that a wrench as drawn by Andrew Mallard was the murder weapon,but, at the same time, failing to put Andrew Mallard’s drawing to Dr Cooke and asking whether the deceased’s injuries were consistent with the use of such an instrument.

8. That Mr Kenneth Bates engaged in misconduct in failing to disclose to the defence the pig’s head testing of the wrench or ensuring that it had been disclosed by the police.

The recommendations are detailed below.

1. That the Commissioner of Police give consideration to the taking of disciplinary action against Assistant Commissioner Malcolm William Shervill and Assistant Commissioner David John Caporn.

2. That the Director of Public Prosecutions gives consideration to the taking of disciplinary action against Mr Kenneth Paul Bates.

3. That consideration is given by the Commissioner of Police to making special provision for the interviewing by investigating police of mentally ill suspects.

4. That whenever there is legislation, fresh authoritative case law, or DPP guidelines which relate to the conduct of criminal investigation or the admissibility of evidence in such cases, senior police officers

affected by such matters be required to attend formal seminars or meetings at which they can be made familiar with such matters.

5. That whenever the police obtain advice from the Office of the Director of Public Prosecution such advice be furnished in writing setting out, at least, the material considered, the opinion and the grounds upon which such opinion is based; or in cases of urgency, a detailed contemporary note should be made, preferably by the DPP officer or his secretary, and also by the police, setting out the matters specified.

6. That Mr Andrew Mallard gives consideration to raising a complaint with the Legal Practitioners Complaints Committee (LPCC) regarding the conduct of the trial by Mr Bates.

[Division 3 of the Legal Practice Act 2003 deals with complaints made about legal practitioners. Section 175(2) specifies who can make a complaint to the LPCC including the Attorney General, the Legal

Practice Board, the Executive Director of the Law Society, any legal practitioner or any other person who has had a direct personal interest in the matter].

Finally the Commission acknowledges the efforts and expertise of those persons who were instrumental in securing justice and vindication for Andrew Mallard, especially Ms Colleen Egan, journalist, Mr Quigley MLA, Mr Malcolm McCusker QC, and Clayton Utz, solicitors, who acted pro bono."

The summary can be found at:   http://netk.net.au/Mallard/Mallard81.asp

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Crime and Corruption Commission Report - summary of findings and recommendations paragraphs 76-78

The opinions as to misconduct may be summarised as follows.

1. That Det Sgt Caporn engaged in misconduct in writing the letter to the Police Prosecutor dated 17 June 1994 containing incorrect and misleading information.

2. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in requesting Mr Lynch to amend his reports by deleting all reference to the salt water testing.

3. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in bringing about the alterations to the statements of various witnesses without any reference to their earlier recollections.

4. That Det Sgt Caporn engaged in misconduct in bringing about the alterations to the statements of various witnesses without any reference to their earlier recollections.

5. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in making false entries in the Running Sheets relating to the amendments to the witnesses’ statements.

6. That Det Sgt Shervill engaged in misconduct in failing to disclose to the defence the original statements of the witnesses including Mr Lynch’s original report and details of the unsuccessful attempts to

locate a weapon capable of inflicting wounds similar to those found on Mrs Lawrence.

7. That Mr Kenneth Bates engaged in misconduct in running the trial on the basis that a wrench as drawn by Andrew Mallard was the murder weapon,but, at the same time, failing to put Andrew Mallard’s drawing to Dr Cooke and asking whether the deceased’s injuries were consistent with the use of such an instrument.

8. That Mr Kenneth Bates engaged in misconduct in failing to disclose to the defence the pig’s head testing of the wrench or ensuring that it had been disclosed by the police.

The recommendations are detailed below.

1. That the Commissioner of Police give consideration to the taking of disciplinary action against Assistant Commissioner Malcolm William Shervill and Assistant Commissioner David John Caporn.

2. That the Director of Public Prosecutions gives consideration to the taking of disciplinary action against Mr Kenneth Paul Bates.

3. That consideration is given by the Commissioner of Police to making special provision for the interviewing by investigating police of mentally ill suspects.

4. That whenever there is legislation, fresh authoritative case law, or DPP guidelines which relate to the conduct of criminal investigation or the admissibility of evidence in such cases, senior police officers

affected by such matters be required to attend formal seminars or meetings at which they can be made familiar with such matters.

5. That whenever the police obtain advice from the Office of the Director of Public Prosecution such advice be furnished in writing setting out, at least, the material considered, the opinion and the grounds upon which such opinion is based; or in cases of urgency, a detailed contemporary note should be made, preferably by the DPP officer or his secretary, and also by the police, setting out the matters specified.

6. That Mr Andrew Mallard gives consideration to raising a complaint with the Legal Practitioners Complaints Committee (LPCC) regarding the conduct of the trial by Mr Bates.

[Division 3 of the Legal Practice Act 2003 deals with complaints made about legal practitioners. Section 175(2) specifies who can make a complaint to the LPCC including the Attorney General, the Legal

Practice Board, the Executive Director of the Law Society, any legal practitioner or any other person who has had a direct personal interest in the matter].

Finally the Commission acknowledges the efforts and expertise of those persons who were instrumental in securing justice and vindication for Andrew Mallard, especially Ms Colleen Egan, journalist, Mr Quigley MLA, Mr Malcolm McCusker QC, and Clayton Utz, solicitors, who acted pro bono.

"JUSTICE", FROM THE CRAZY TO THE DEEPLY DISTURBING 



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Strange Justice



"JUSTICE", FROM THE CRAZY TO THE DEEPLY DISTURBING 



The thinking behind this blog is really simple: The guilty should be prevented from reoffending and the innocent should not be convicted -- not very complex but often not achieved. 


The spotlight is also thrown on feral law enforcement 


Sunday, May 21, 2006



DELAYED INVESTIGATION DUE TO WRONGFUL CONVICTION ALLOWS THE REAL MURDERER TO ESCAPE JUSTICE



But at least the real murderer is dead so that is probably the best justice. He suicided by biting his wrists and bleeding to death. Now it will just be the crooked cops in the firing line

Sitting in his cell in the West Australian prison that had been his home for eight years, convicted murderer Simon Rochford thought his time was up. Hours after he watched himself publicly identified on television as
the new suspect in the brutal murder of Perth jeweller Pamela Lawrence 12 years ago, Rochford took his own life. It had been a week since Rochford, who had four years left to serve on
a minimum 15-year life term for the bashing murder of his girlfriend Brigitta Dickens, was questioned for five hours by detectives investigating new evidence in the high-profile murder -
and the police had planned to come back. 


Lawrence's long-suffering family and the man who spent 12 years behind bars after being blamed for her murder - Andrew Mallard - may now never discover the truth.
The case has a tortuous history - Mr Mallard's conviction was finally quashed by the High Court last year and he was released in February after the Director of Public Prosecutions withdrew the charge. 


In the wake of his release, a Corruption and Crime Commission investigation has begun into the handling of the case and five senior police, including two assistant commissioners, have been suspended, pending its findings. 

Even more mystery surrounds Rochford - a backpacker from Huddersfield in England who used an alias and was wanted for being an illegal immigrant. He concocted extravagant stories about his background and was reportedly questioned while in custody awaiting trial over the unsolved murder of a German tourist in a London hotel in 1993. Rochford was convicted in 1995 of wilfully murdering 27-year-old Dickens on July 15, 1994, seven weeks after Lawrence was bludgeoned to death in her Mosman Park jewellery store. 

A recent cold-case review put Rochford at the scene of Lawrence's murder after new technology was used to match a previously unidentified palm print with the 38-year-old prisoner. 

At 7pm on Thursday, Rochford was watching the ABC news bulletin with at least one other inmate at the medium-security Albany Regional Prison, 400km south of Perth, when he saw himself named as the new suspect.
The prison's superintendent had also seen the news, but state Corrective Services Commissioner Ian Johnson said Rochford's reaction had caused "no undue concern".
At 7.44am yesterday - two hours after he was last seen alive during a check of his cell - prison officers found Rochford dead on his bed, sparking a police and coronial investigation into his death. 


Rochford, 26 at the time of his conviction, arrived in Australia in 1993 on a three-month tourist visa. He was using a false surname and soon met and befriended Dickens while she was working at the Fremantle Hotel.
He told her he owned a yacht in New Zealand and they began making plans to sail to Queensland. But after what was described as a "stupid argument" in a room in a backpackers hostel in the beachside suburb of Scarborough, Rochford bashed Dickens twice on the head with a barbell, fatally fracturing her skull. Her body, which he hid in the boot of her car, was discovered by police three days later. 


At his sentencing hearing in November 1995, Rochford - the son of an alcoholic father and a mother who is believed to live somewhere in Western Australia -
 was described by the state prosecutor as showing little compassion for his victim. Justice Henry Wallwork also commented that no one other than Rochford knew what occurred before his inexcusable crime. 


Yesterday, police deputy commissioner Chris Dawson said Rochford's conviction and his print being found on a cabinet in the jewellery store had made him a "significant person of interest" in Lawrence's murder.
Mr Dawson acknowledged the ongoing and far-from-complete police investigation into Lawrence's killing had been compromised by Rochford's death.
He could not say whether police had notified prison authorities that Rochford, placed on suicide watch after being questioned by police but returned to his single cell on Monday after being assessed, was about to be publicly identified. 


He also refused to comment on calls for an apology to be made to Mr Mallard, who would have served time with Rochford at Perth's maximum-security Casuarina prison in the 1990s.
Mr Mallard, whose conviction was quashed after the High Court found a raft of evidence had been withheld from the defence, was yesterday described by his sister Jacqui Mallard as being "saddened" by Rochford's death.
 "It is such a sorry saga," Ms Mallard said. 


Labor backbencher John Quigley, who on Thursday used parliamentary privilege to call for Supreme Court Justice John McKechnie, the DPP at the time of Mr Mallard's prosecution,
to stand down pending the CCC investigation, also described Rochford's death as tragic. 


But Mr Dawson said the police investigation would continue and, in deference to Rochford's family, he refused to reveal the result of the police interview with him,
a preliminary discussion paper on the case review or further details of Rochford's past. "While this case is of public interest, another family is grieving," he said.


Another report below:

Wrongly convicted Andrew Mallard shared a small prison section with the man now suspected of murdering Pamela Lawrence in 1994. Mr Mallard was shocked yesterday when he saw a photograph of
Simon Rochford, who committed suicide in Albany Prison on Friday morning after being named as the new prime suspect in the brutal killing.
 "I remember him staring at me in the remand prison when we were both waiting for our trials (in 1994-95)," he said. "The other prisoners would confuse me with him because we were both in there for bashing-type murders.
"They'd say, `You're the guy with the body in the boot', and I'd say, `No, I didn't kill anybody'." 


Mr Mallard was struggling to come to terms with the latest twist in his ordeal, which started when he was interrogated by police in the days after Mrs Lawrence's murder in Mosman Park. He had hoped the recent discovery that Rochford's palm print was left at the scene would assist in drawing the matter to a close for his family and the Lawrences. The Sunday Times understands the method of Rochford's suicide rules out foul play. He is believed to have bitten his wrists and bled to death. 

Mr Mallard is still concerned about being investigated by the police, who attempted to interview him this week on video. And he wants an investigation into why the palm print was not revealed to his lawyers in 2002, despite a subpoena specifically requesting that kind of evidence. 

 




The Wronged Man Part Two - Transcript


PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT: Monday, 4 October , 2010 


http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2007/s3029194.htm



AROLINE JONES, PRESENTER: Hello I’m Caroline Jones. Tonight, we continue the story of Andrew Mallard who spent 12 years in prison, wrongfully convicted of murder. When finally he was exonerated, the truth revealed serious misconduct on both the part of police and prosecution. Andrew Mallard is telling his story for the first time, as he presses for those involved to be brought to account.
(Recap of last week’s show)

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: That day was the day of a big freak storm. Shops were closing up around Glyde Street in Mosman Park where Pamela Lawrence had a little jewellery store. Pamela’s husband went down to the shop and realized that she had been bludgeoned in a very, very violent attack.

KATIE KINGDON, PAMELA LAWRENCE’S DAUGHTER: They’d stopped CPR because they couldn’t do anything.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: There was 136 suspects initially on the suspect list. Andrew Mallard was one of those suspects. 

ANDREW MALLARD: I was down on my luck. I was vulnerable. I was living on the streets. I was trying to survive.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: He ended up in Graylands Psychiatric Hospital.

ANDREW MALLARD: And then there’s police asking me about a murderer, you know, a murder. What’s going on?

POLICE OFFICER (on police video): The fact is that you told us all these things and you now say that that was a complete pack of lies.

GRACE MALLARD, MOTHER: The next thing we knew, we had a telephone call from a policeman to say they’d arrested Andrew for murder.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: As a last resort they came to me, working as a journalist, to try and find fresh evidence. The most damning single piece of evidence was this Sidchrome wrench drawing that he’d done during the unrecorded part of the police interview. And the prosecutor said, ‘With this wrench he killed her.’ And Andrew was very quickly convicted.

ANDREW MALLARD: I was protesting my innocence consistently, continually, because it was the truth!

(End of recap)

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: In 2002, I’d already been looking at this case for four years. Andrew was getting quite desperate. I was working as a political journalist by that stage for the 'Australian' newspaper and John Quigley had joined with the Labor Party, the backbench of the government. And in my former life as a court reporter, John Quigley was one of the best known and smartest lawyers in town.

JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: I became involved in the Mallard case a little bit reluctantly. I was in my first term in Parliament and I was approached by the reporter, Colleen Egan. Colleen had reported on many cases that I'd been involved in when I was representing Western Australian police officers, as I had for about 25 or 30 years been the counsel of choice for the Western Australian Police Union in Perth. So that when I was approached by Colleen Egan to help I was at once surprised, and secondly, a bit wary.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: Taking the case to John Quigley was a huge risk, mostly because he had worked for all that time for the police and for the Police Union and we were really worried about what he would do with the information that we gave him. But really, it turned out to be the best thing that we could ever have done. We'd been working on the case for four years and still didn't have a breakthrough, but within months of taking the case to John Quigley, we had breakthroughs. He saw things in the transcript that I didn’t see, because he understood police procedure so well. He could also get access to things that I just couldn’t get access to as a journalist and found that there was evidence, crucial evidence not disclosed at trial that we didn’t know about.

JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: I indicated to the Attorney General of the day Mr McGinty that I was about to make a big speech in Parliament. The Attorney General then, perhaps in an effort to avoid such a controversial speech being made, came to an agreement the DPP would lay on the table the whole of their file including their correspondence file, their litigation file. I've never had that offer in 30 years and it was only because I was holding a gun at everyone's head saying I was going to make this big speech in Parliament, that I was given that access. The DPP took me straight to the file and said the prosecutor's brought this file up to me and has marked this page and said ‘This should have been shown to the defence, this should have been shown to the court, and he's looking very ill the prosecutor but you should read it now’. And I was just stunned. I thought ‘what is this page?’ At trial the prosecutor, Mr Bates, had said on over 80 occasions that Andrew Mallard had murdered Pamela Lawrence by beating her about the head by a wrench. Whilst he was speaking those words, he had on his file on bar table, a report which said ‘that they'd done a test on a pig's head which had convinced the pathologist that a wrench could not have inflicted those injuries’. This was crucial evidence in the trial which he'd had all the while which he'd marked, so he'd read and had kept it from the court. This was something that a lawyer should never, ever do.

ANDREW MALLARD: And in fact, in the statement of facts to the prosecution, certain police officers state their concerns that they don't think that I was the murderer anyway. It’s in the statement of the facts to the prosecution.

JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: It was as plain as the nose on your face, he couldn’t have been the murderer. He had the most perfect alibi in the world on the crown case. He’d taken a taxi down to Mosman Park near the scene of the murder, didn’t have the money to pay for the taxi and done a runner on the taxi into a block of flats. The taxi driver stood off the block of flats waiting for him to come out and he knew that Andrew Mallard didn’t come out. The murder had happened at this time. This is impossible that Andrew Mallard committed this crime.
GRACE MALLARD, MOTHER: Jacqui and I and Quigley went to the prison to see Andrew, and of course Quigley being an MP got a special room for us.

JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: I went in there and I said ‘I know your son’s innocent’. I said, ‘this is not going to get you out tomorrow. This is going to take some years’. So I did something I hadn’t done with a client before. I got him to stand up and I hugged him. And I hugged him as hard as I could and I said, ‘Now look into my eyes.’ I’m looking up at him. I’m saying, ‘Now look into my eyes and tell me you understand what I’m saying. I will never leave you no matter how long it takes you, for the rest of your life, I will never leave you.’

GRACE MALLARD, MOTHER: It was overwhelming, really, you know? That Quigley would do that for us.

ONSCREEN CAPTION: June 2002… WA Attorney General, Jim McGinty, referred Andrew Mallard’s case back to the Supreme Court for a new appeal. Malcolm McCusker QC and Perth legal team Clayton Utz acted for Andrew Mallard without charge.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: Once the appeal was on foot, we subpoenaed as many documents as possible from the police files and we found original statements of witnesses just didn’t correspond with the evidence of their second statements, and even third statements that were presented in court. So it really showed a pattern of manipulation of evidence against Andrew Mallard.

ANDREW MALLARD: At this point I’d become quite familiar with the West Australian justice system, or rather, the Western Australian injustice system, and I knew the appeal processes were a waste of time. What are we wasting our time with this appeal for? We should go straight to the High Court of Australia. We’re not going to get anything here in Western Australia.
(Excerpt from ABC News, June 2003)

REPORTER: Andrew Mallard’s family came to court for the first day of his appeal hoping the judges will agree he was wrongfully convicted.

JACQUI MALLARD: I’d just like to say that the wrong man is in jail, that this is an injustice.

(End of excerpt)

KATIE KINGDON, PAMELA LAWRENCE’S DAUGHTER: I never had any anger towards Andrew’s family but the team of people that were helping him, I felt like they must have their own agendas. I just didn’t understand how they could be putting us through more turmoil and more grief and prolonging the ordeal we were going through. We had high profile people from the police and prosecution that were still confident they had the right person.
(Excerpt of ABC News, June 2003)

REPORTER: It was claimed Mallard hit the mother of two with a wrench and drew a picture of the weapon for the police. Today defence lawyer Malcolm McCusker QC said his client provided the drawing after being stripped naked and beaten by police.
(End of excerpt)
ONSCREEN CAPTION: December 2003. The WA Supreme Court dismissed Andrew Mallard’s appeal. The Court found the new evidence did not alter the case against him.
GRACE MALLARD, MOTHER: I was just numb. ‘Numb’ is the word. I shut down I think. I'm not a person that shows a lot of emotion. I just shut down, the same as when Roy died. I shut down.
COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: I will still never understand and really never forgive the Supreme Court for not delivering justice to one of their own citizens. John Quigley, he's a politician and he had put himself out there. He alienated himself from the police who he represented for 25 years and he was out on a limb and the Supreme Court just chopped that limb off.
JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: And the union absolutely hated me and turned on me and wanted to destroy me. And the Police Union are still trying to destroy me, to this very day, over my advocacy for Andrew Mallard. Apart from my wife, even my own extended family would all criticise me and said that I’d lost my marbles.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: I was working as a weekly columnist in the Sunday Times and I found my credibility was getting questioned because I was seen to have put my reputation on the line for this murderer.


ANDREW MALLARD: To me it was no surprise. So I wasn’t at this point now, I’m seasoned, hardened, but not a criminal, but not a criminal. I’m quite, failed, okay, High Court now. That’ll be fine.

ONSCREEN CAPTION: November 2005… The High Court quashed Andrew Mallard’s conviction and ordered a retrial.

JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: Here’s a man that’s been in jail now for 11 years and the High Court has said it is because the police and prosecution suppressed evidence. Detective Sergeant Shervill and Detective Constable Caporn are now of course, Assistant Commissioners who sit around the command table. Anything in the brief that didn’t fit with their theory that Mallard was the murderer, they simply went back to a witness and got them to change a statement.

KARL O’CALLAGHAN, WA POLICE COMMISSIONER: One of the first things I did was refer the matter to the Corruption and Crime Commission for investigation. We potentially had two very senior police officers who may have done something wrong. There were other public officers involved in this particular prosecution and the only way the public, I think, could have been assured that independent review of the conduct of those officers was made, was that a Corruption and Crime Commission would do that.

ONSCREEN CAPTION: February 2006…the DPP, Robert Cock QC, dropped the case as some evidence was no longer admissible. But, he announced, Andrew Mallard remained the prime suspect.

JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: This meant that Andrew Mallard was to be released after 12 and half years for murder, after it having been announced to all of Western Australia that the DPP and the police still regarded him as the prime suspect.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: I was so angry. Everybody was furious. They still would not admit that they got it wrong. After 12 years Andrew was finally getting out of jail, but they still had to just dig it in and claim that he was still guilty.

KATIE KINGDON, PAMELA LAWRENCE’S DAUGHTER: The day that Andrew was released was a very difficult day for our family, because at that stage we still believed that he was guilty. I was terrified at the thought of him being released and being out there walking around in Perth, that we might bump into him. I didn’t know how he’d react. I was really scared at that thought.
(Excerpt of Andrew Mallard’s talking to press on his day of release)

ANDREW MALLARD (to the press, February 2006): I just want a good night’s sleep, free from officers viewing me in the port, and keys jangling and all that sort of thing. I just want to be able to sleep in peace. 
(End of excerpt)

ANDREW MALLARD: People think ‘oh you're released from prison, everything's hunky dory’. No, not the case at all. I've had three years, nearly four years, of psychotherapy to deal with post-traumatic stress. If someone is found innocent after they've been wrongfully convicted, there's no provision in the system for that. You're just spat out, you're spat out of the belly of the beast, so to speak, and left to fend for yourself. I was released with $50 in my pocket which was a gratuity payment from the prison system. I had no clothing except for what I was wearing. My shoes had been in storage that long that the heels crumbled when I was walked. I was 12 years of limbo. So when I came out, I had to re-learn how to interact and socialise and interact with people. When I was first released I used to have tremendous panic attacks. And you have to remember I was called a prime suspect at that time too, so people used to give me a wide berth anyway. At one point, I was locked out of a shop. I felt the uneasiness and I went and sat on the table outside. Nice day, and I’m sitting there and I can hear the phone call going on and something and then I hear the bolt of the doors locking in the shop. So I just finished my drink and enjoyed the sunshine got on my bike and rode away.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: And Andrew would have lived for the rest of his life with this hanging over his head, so myself in the newspaper, John Quigley in the parliament, Malcolm McCusker in press conferences, really put a lot of pressure on the police service to have another look at this case, and they finally agreed to do a cold case review.

KARL O’CALLAGHAN, WA POLICE COMMISSIONER: : I went in there with a completely open mind. I wanted an objective inquiry conducted by the officers who had no connection with the original case, using modern technologies that are available to them and using more modern methods of investigation. I was just searching for the truth.

(Excerpt from ABC News, April 2006)

REPORTER: Police have enlisted the help of British expert, David Barclay, who was also involved in a cold case review of the Claremont serial killings.

DAVID BARCLAY: The Physical review looks at everything possible that we could get from all of the items and then tries to map them across on to all the scenarios and all the people.

KARL O’CALLAGHAN, WA POLICE COMMISSIONER (voiceover): This person was very experienced at looking at cold case murder cases and called for every item of evidence and every scrap of paper.

REPORTER: New digital technology has matched a palm print found on a glass cabinet in her Mosman Park jewellery store, to a man currently in jail for another violent crime, believed to be a murder.

ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER DAWSON: It is a new development. It is a significant development.

(End of excerpt)
JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: The palm print that the cold case reviewer was shown led him to Simon Rochford, who was serving life for the murder of his girlfriend whom he had murdered, but seven short weeks after the murder of Pamela Lawrence.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: Significantly, both women had identical injuries in their heads and it was caused not by a Sidchrome wrench, but by a very strange and makeshift instrument that Simon Rochford had made and then used to kill both women.

JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: Moreover, Dr Cooke during the autopsy of the late Pamela Lawrence, had recovered from her head some shavings of blue paint and no one knew where this blue paint had come from. But it was an exact match to fragments of blue paint still in Simon Rochford's knapsack that the police still had after all these years. The knapsack in which he'd kept the murder weapon.

ONSCREEN CAPTION: May 2006. Within days of being questioned by police about the murder of Pamela Lawrence, Simon Rochford committed suicide in Albany Prison.
(Excerpt from ABC News, October 2006)

REPORTER: Today the release of a cold case review, finding the 44 year old had played no part in the 1994 murder of Pamela Lawrence.

KARL O’CALLAGHAN, WA POLICE COMMISSIONER: : Mr Mallard spent 12 years in prison for a crime, we think he didn’t commit. He’s no longer a person of interest and I’ve apologised to him for any part the WA Police may have played in that.
(End of Excerpt)

KATIE KINGDON, PAMELA LAWRENCE’S DAUGHTER: I think I was just in shock. I just never expected this to happen. I really did have faith in the justice system until all of this happened. The last thing any of us would have wanted, especially the last thing mum would have wanted, was for the wrong person to be punished over her death and for another family to have to be put through such an unbelievable ordeal.

ONSCREEN CAPTION: October 2008. The Corruption and Crime Commission (CCC) completed its inquiry into alleged misconduct by public officers.
(Excerpt from ABC News, October 2008)

REPORTER: After 83 days of public and private hearings, up to a dozen public officers were facing possible adverse findings. But in the final report today, only three of them were identified as having engaged in misconduct. The CCC has recommended disciplinary action against Assistant Commissioners Mal Shervill and Dave Caporn and Senior DPP lawyer, Ken Bates.
(End of excerpt)

KATIE KINGDON, PAMELA LAWRENCE’S DAUGHTER: The findings of the CCC inquiry shocked me. I really just didn’t know what to think. Mal Shervill was so kind and so warm to our family, that for him to have adverse findings made against him was very confusing and has been really hard to accept.

KARL O’CALLAGHAN, WA POLICE COMMISSIONER: : When the report from the Corruption and Crime Commission was handed down, my immediate response as Commissioner of Police was to serve these two officers with a loss of confidence notice. I was actually prevented from going any further with that, because I received legal advice from the State Solicitor’s office that I was not allowed to take notice of the Corruption and Crime Commission’s report, and I had to conduct my own separate investigation, notwithstanding that this investigation had been conducted by a learned judge over a long period of time. Now the difficulty there is, that while I was investigating both of these officers for misconduct, they resigned from the WA police and I had no power to take that investigation any further.
(Excerpt from ABC News, July 2009)

REPORTER: Mr Bates was asked to step down by the Director of Public Prosecutions, Robert Cock, QC. Mr Bates was one of three people whom the CCC criticised over the Mallard case and all have now avoided the public service disciplinary process.
(End of excerpt)

ANDREW MALLARD: These people need to be made accountable for their actions. In my view there was a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. This is a crime. Why should these people be above the law? Is this a democracy or a fascist state, I ask you?

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: Well really when you look back at it, they may as well have taken that $5 million that they spent on the inquiry and just given it to Andrew. Because he doesn’t feel like he’s got justice now and I can’t blame him. Each of them were allowed to leave with all of their entitlements, and while they have gone through the suffering of their reputations and I recognise that that is punishment for them, they haven't been made to face the consequences in the way that Andrew certainly would like to see.

KARL O’CALLAGHAN, WA POLICE COMMISSIONER: : The most frustrating thing is there was no outcome for Andrew Mallard. There was no positive outcome for the WA Police either because we were never able to bring it to a resolution in a way that would have boosted the community’s confidence in what we do.

JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: When I was first studying the case, I jumped on my motorbike and rode down to what was Flora Metallica which is now a pizza shop, dismounted, got off and sat outside the shop just trying to absorb the scene. And I thought, a murder could not happen here and a murderer get away without being seen. But there was no a hint of anyone having seen it. Therefore, I was very surprised during the CCC inquiry to hear the evidence come out that there was, in fact a chap by the name of Lloyd Harvey Peirce who was living in a nearby flat when he observed a man running at speed from the back of Flora Metallica, across Stirling Highway. And a taxis coming and he’s put his hands on the bonnet of the taxi and Peirce, who’s up on this balcony here, has drawn the face of the person who put his hands on the bonnet of the taxi. Incredible isn’t it, and then kept that drawing on the reverse side of the painting he was doing.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: But when he went to tell the police about this, the police actually treated him like a suspect and acted in a very heavy handed manner with him, and so his evidence was really lost to the investigation.

JOHN QUIGLEY, WA SHADOW ATTORNEY GENERAL: The policeman that came to see him was none other than Caporn and he didn’t come just to interview him, he came with a search warrant to roll him! Once Mr Peirce realizes how he’s being treated by Caporn he doesn’t say anything to Caporn. During the cold case review, they went back through all of the contacts and they came up with this chap’s name so they went and re-interviewed him. They went and chased up the picture and there was a drawing bearing a marked similarity to Simon Rochford. Another woman’s life in all likelihood would have been saved.

ANDREW MALLARD: Had the police done their job properly from the beginning I would have been eliminated as a suspect. They would probably, or likely have arrested Rochford before he killed his girlfriend. So they're responsible for another death.

KARL O’CALLAGHAN, WA POLICE COMMISSIONER: : I think what the community can take comfort from is that procedures have changed immeasurably since the time that Andrew Mallard was investigated and since I've been commissioner, we've invested many millions of dollars in improving investigative techniques and investigative procedures, in trying to get to a position where this sort of thing can't happen, or it is very, very difficult for such a thing to happen again in Western Australia.

KATIE KINGDON, PAMELA LAWRENCE’S DAUGHTER: I have enormous regrets at how long it took me to realize that Andrew was innocent. I really want people to know that my family believe Andrew's innocent, 100 per cent, and we have nothing but regret for what he's been put through and what his family and his supporters have gone through, and if it wasn't for them, I don't think we'd have ever of known the truth.

ANDREW MALLARD: I've recently graduated from Curtin University in a BA in Fine Art. The only reason I remained in Perth as long as I did was to graduate. So I'm moving off to London to start a Masters in Fine Art. There's nothing here for me now. What certain police have done to me and certain members of the DPP have done to me and my family, have made living in Perth untenable, completely, absolutely.

COLLEEN EGAN, JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR: I really hope the next time that a vulnerable young man like Andrew Mallard becomes in the sights of a tunnel-visioned detective or two, that people think twice.
END CAPTIONS:

Andrew Mallard has received $3.25 million compensation from the State Government.
He’s awaiting an opinion from a leading interstate QC which could lay the ground for perversion of justice charges against officers involved in his wrongful conviction.

Senior police officers stood down from murder investigation



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MARK COLVIN: The Police Commissioner in Western Australia has stood down five senior officers during an investigation into a 12-year-old murder case.


Andrew Mallard was convicted of killing Pamela Lawrence in 1994. He was freed earlier this year after winning an appeal to the High Court.


Police have now revealed that they've identified another suspect.


A palm print taken from the scene of the crime is a match for a man who's in prison at the moment.


The WA Police Commissioner has decided to stand down the senior officers who were involved in the original investigation, including two Assistant Commissioners.


David Weber reports.


DAVID WEBER: Someone killed Pamela Lawrence in her Mosman Park jewellery store in May 1994. In 1995, Andrew Mallard was convicted and sent to prison for a minimum of 20 years.


After unsuccessful appeals in WA, Andrew Mallard went to the High Court and had his conviction quashed.


In February, he finally walked free from prison.


The High Court expressed a series of concerns. It said the prosecution had suppressed evidence.


Now the murder of Pamela Lawrence and the investigation are subject to a cold case review and a Corruption and Crime Commission inquiry.


The Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan.


KARL O'CALLAGHAN: This morning I've moved to stand down the five officers that were involved in the original inquiry.


This is really about good governance. I think that it's necessary that we preserve public confidence in this inquiry and that public confidence remains high.


I think there could be a perception that while these officers are inside the organisation, with these new developments, that there could be a perception that people can get access to information and systems.


I need to make sure that that perception does not become reality. And I think at this point in time it's better that we stand down the officers until this inquiry is complete.


DAVID WEBER: The officers that have been stood down are Assistant Commissioners David Caporn and Mal Shervill, Superintendent John Brandham, Inspector Alan Carter and Sergeant Mark Emmett.


Between them, they've been involved in hundreds of homicide investigations, including the Claremont Serial Killer inquiry and the crackdown on the Gypsy Jokers in the wake of the bombing murders of Don Hancock and Lou Lewis.


The Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan says he made the decision after being told about the identification of a new suspect.


He says he has no information that suggests there was any misconduct or that the officers acted maliciously.


KARL O'CALLAGHAN: I don't believe the public is losing faith and I'm here to make sure that the public's faith in policing is maintained and that the integrity of policing is maintained. 


That's one of the reasons why we want to conclude this and another reason why I've moved to stand down these officers until we complete the inquiry and until the CCC give us a view about their inquiry.


DAVID WEBER: Back in 1994, a handprint was discovered on a glass cabinet in the jewellery store.


The match was made through the National Automatic Fingerprint Identification System. The ability to electronically match handprints is a relatively recent development.


Deputy Commissioner Chris Dawson.


CHRIS DAWSON: The enhancement to the computer system is that of a palm print enhancement. That is a very recent addition to that computer system.


The computer systems weren't available back in 1994.


Unless you have a particular person of interest, it's more than looking for a needle in a haystack to try and match a palm print in a physical examination by a bevy of experts.


There was no known link that we presently know at this moment in time that identified the person we interviewed yesterday with that palm print.


DAVID WEBER: Deputy Commissioner Dawson wouldn't elaborate on the status of Andrew Mallard in relation to the investigation.


Jacquie Mallard says she's happy the five officers have been stood down, and she's pleased that another suspect has been identified.


JACQUIE MALLARD: Fantastic, I mean it's about time. It should have happened sooner than this.


But now we've got absolute faith that the investigation is being handled correctly and that we really believe that this is properly being investigated now.


I think it just shows that the investigation was never carried out properly in the first place.


DAVID WEBER: And the identification of another suspect?


JACQUIE MALLARD: Well, it's interesting that they've found someone now, isn't it, when we've had to push and push, and all that we've shown that it could never have been Andrew.


DAVID WEBER: Police are saying it is a coincidence that the identification of this suspect has happened now, but it sound like you don't believe that.


JACQUIE MALLARD: Well, I'm not sure about whether it's happened right now and maybe that it's something that has always been there and they just, as I said, they haven't looked properly because they believed they had the man that perpetrated this crime already in jail, so they just ignore anything that could point to perhaps another person having committed it.


DAVID WEBER: What's your brother's reaction been?


JACQUIE MALLARD: Well, of course, he's absolutely, you know, really, really pleased that this crime suspect tag has been dropped from him and that really he needs now… he wants exoneration.


He wants the police to apologise, and I don't blame him. They need to apologise for what they've put him through over the last 12 years.


MARK COLVIN: Jacquie Mallard, speaking to David Weber.



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The five police officers who appeared before the Corruption and Crime Commission hearings into the wrongful conviction of Andrew Mallard have been assigned desk duties pending the outcome of the inquiry.

The Corruption and Crime Commission (CCC) is investigating Mr Mallard's wrongful conviction for the 1994 murder of jeweller Pamela Lawrence.

Mr Mallard spent 12 years in jail before his conviction was quashed.

The officers were involved in gathering evidence against Mr Mallard.

They are Assistant Commissioners Mal Shervill and David Caporn, Superintendent John Brandham, Senior Sergeant Alan Carter and Sergeant Mark Emmett.

The CCC has been urged to make adverse findings against the officers including 11 against Assistant Commissioner Caporn and 9 against Assistant Commissioner Shervill.

The Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan said in a statement the five men would remain stood aside from police duties.

He said they would be involved in duties such as emergency management business planning.

"My legal advice instructs that it would be premature and unsafe to pre-empt the Acting Commissioner's findings, he said.

"As Mr Jeremy Gormly (Counsel Assisting the inquiry) has stressed several times to Acting Commissioner Dunford, the submissions that are made by counsel assisting don't in any way amount to findings or opinions or assessments, they are simply submissions for Mr Dunford to consider.

"These officers have high level skills and are being paid decent wages. The public rightly expect a return on their investment and it would be untenable to have these officers sitting at home on full pay."

The officers have consistently rejected allegations of misconduct, and Mr O'Callaghan says he will not decide their long term future until the CCC hands down its report about April next year.

The Police Union says assigning the officers to desk duties will not harm their reputations.

The Union's Mike Dean says it is a fair move.

"These officers are highly skilled and it would be a total waste to send them home, and I believe the best use for the public's money is to utilise them in a non-threatening area where they can make a useful contribution," he said.

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Updated 1 Jul 2009

Western Australia's Police Minister says he would consider changing police disciplinary procedures following the resignation of another senior officer involved in the wrongful conviction of Andrew Mallard.

Mr Mallard spent 12 years in jail for the murder of WA jeweller Pamela Lawrence before being released.

Former assistant commissioner Mal Shervill was in charge of the murder investigation and has been stood down on full pay since 2005.

Mr Shervill was facing disciplinary action but resigned yesterday before the process could be completed.

A Corruption and Crime Commission inquiry last year found he had engaged in misconduct to secure the conviction.

Another former assistant commissioner, Dave Caporn, was also involved in the case and resigned earlier this year.

Police Minister Rob Johnson says he understands Mr Mallard is angry that both men have avoided any punishment.

"The Commissioner has spoken with me in relation to Mal Shervill resigning," he said.

"If the Commissioner feels that we need to change Section 8 of the Act, then he will possibly put that to me and I will consider whatever he puts to me."



How many of Perth’s missing and murdered women fell prey to serial killers?

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Perth, Western Australia is one of the most remote cities on earth, yet no less than four serial killers and suspected serial killers have chosen Perth as their hunting ground since the 1980s.

The arrest of a man in connection with the most notorious of them all — the Claremont murders — has renewed interest in Western Australia’s other unsolved cases. And there are many.

Over the past four decades, dozens of women and girls have disappeared from the Perth area. A handful have turned out to be murdered but the vast majority have never been found.

Some of these cold cases are being rexamined for possible links to other unsolved cases, while others bear the hallmarks of solved murders and notoriously violent criminals.

The waters have been muddied thanks to some major screw ups by the Western Australian Police, who have developed a reputation for collaring
the wrong man (
Andrew Mallard, the Mickelburg brothers and John Button to name a few) while the real killers roamed free, and in some cases struck again.

The town of Claremont has feared there may be a serial killer in their midst since the deaths of Jane Rimmer, 23, and Ciara Glennon, 27, in 1996 and 1997.

Speculation about other serial killers has been rife for years as police, amateur sleuths and journalists chip away at WA’s growing list of unsolved crimes.

Two cases which have come up again and again are those of Julie Cutler and Kerry Turner, who vanished in 1988 and 1991 respectively.

Ms Turner’s decomposed remains were found near Canning Dam four weeks after she disappeared. Ms Cutler’s upturned car was found in the surf off Cottesloe Beach two days after she was last seen but her body has never been recovered.

The parents of both Ms Cutler and Ms Turner believe their daughters may have fallen prey a serial killer and have appealed to detectives to investigate possible links.

Just before Christmas, police charged Bradley Robert Edwards with the abduction and murders of Ms Glennon and Ms Rimmer.

The 48-year-old Telstra technician and amateur photographer was arrested after cold case detectives allegedly linked DNA from Ms Glennon to a 1995 rape at Perth’s Karrakatta Cemetery and a kimono linked to the scene of a 1988 assault on a sleeping teenager in Huntingdale.

Mr Edwards faces two counts of deprivation of liberty, two counts of aggravated sexual penetration without consent, one count of breaking and entering and one count of indecent assault with respect to the earlier cases.

The investigation regarding 18-year-old Sarah Spiers, who also disappeared from Claremont in 1996 but whose body has never been found, remains open. Mr. Edwards has not been charged with any offences in relation to Ms Spiers.

Former Telstra technician Bradley Robert Edwards, 48, with ex-wife Catherine Geneste.

IN an unrelated case, police are investigating the disappearance and suspected murder of 20-year-old Sarah McMahon in 2000, the murder of street worker Darylyn Ugle, 25, in 2003 and to numerous missing persons cases involving prostitutes.

Ms McMahon was not a prostitute. A 2013 inquest into her death heard that one man was a person of interest in both Ms McMahon’s disappearance and Ms Ugle’s murder and heard evidence that at least one of his associates feared he was a “serial killer”.

Serial killers David and Catherine Birnie murdered four of the five women they abducted over a period of just five weeks in 1986.

Their murder victims were Mary Neilson, 22, Noelene Patterson, 31, Denise Brown, 21 and Susannah Candy.

It is feared, however, that many more women and girls fell prey to the twisted couple.

They include 12-year-old Lisa Mott, who vanished in 1980, 33-year-old Cheryl Renwick, who was last seen in May 1986 and Barbara Western, 38, who vanished a month later.

Serial killer Catherine Birnie (above) and husband David murdered four women near Perth in a murderous six week frenzy in 1986 but police suspect the couple had many more victims. 

Serial killer David Birnie (above) and wife Catherine were convicted of the murders of four women in 1986 but are suspected to have killed many more. Picture: NewsltdSource:News Corp Australia

Self-described serial killer Richard Edward Dorrough left a note confessing to the murders of three people before killing himself in Perth in 2014.

The 37-year-old navy mechanic is believed to have named 21-year-old Broome woman Sara-Lee Davey, Sydney prostitute Rachael Campbell, 29 and an unknown person in the note.

The confession came four years after Dorrough was acquitted of Ms Campbell’s 1998 murder, despite DNA evidence linking him to the crime.

At his 2010 trial, he admitted having sex with her and even biting her but denied killing her. His legal team successfully advanced a theory Ms Campbell’s estranged boyfriend was the killer and the jury handed down a not-guilty verdict.

Years earlier he had served just 12 months of a five-year sentence for attempted murder after being convicted of deliberately running down a pedestrian in Queensland in 2000.

Ms Davey vanished in January 1997 after hooking up with Dorrough at a Broome nightclub while he was on shore leave from the HMAS Geelong.

Despite testimony from witnesses who claimed to have seen the pair wander down a pier together and heard “screams” and a “splash” shortly afterwards, investigators found there was “insufficient evidence” to charge Dorrough with any crime.

Since his shocking confession, Dorrough, who was born in Queensland but lived all over the country thanks to his line of work, has been posthumously investigated in connection with hundreds of cold cases.

Ex-Australian Navy mechanic Richard Dorrough left a suicide note confessing to the murders of three people before killing himself in Perth in 2014. 

Police released this graphic of all the places self-confessed serial killer Richard Dorrough lived in before his 2014 suicide in Perth in the hope of solving some of the nation’s cold cases.Source:Supplied

HOW MANY OF THESE WOMEN ARE SERIAL KILLER VICTIMS?

FELICIA MARIE WILSON, 19

Orelia resident Felicia Wilson’s battered, mutilated body was found behind a shopping centre at Kwinana on January 10, 1979.

Felicia Wilson was found dead in 1979.Source:Supplied

KERRYN MARY TATE, 19

Kerryn Tate disappeared from the Perth metropolitan area on the 28th of December 1979. Her remains were found draped over a burnt tree stump off the Brookton Hwy at Boulder Rock two days later.

A pendant found at the site was used to help identify her.

ANNETTE DEVERELL, 19

Annette Deverell was last seen heading to Mandurah to buy cigarettes on September 13, 1980.

Two years later, her burnt, skeletal remains were found in bush at Pinjarra. A shotgun was found nearby and a post mortem examination revealed her skull had been fractured.

LISA MOTT, 12

Lisa Mott vanished on October 30, 1980. She was last seen getting into a panel van on Forrest St, Collie, after a basketball game. Her body has never been found.

Serial killers David and Catherine Birnie are considered suspects in her case.

Lisa Mott’s father Brian at his Busselton home with a painting of his daughter, who disappeared in 1980 at the age of just 12. Picture: Gary MerrinSource:News Limited

PAULINE WALTER, 22

Pauline Walter was last seen at a Perth backpacker hostel in June 1980.

Her headless body was found in a Forrestdale ditch six years later.

SHARON MASON, 14

Perth schoolgirl Sharon Mason vanished on February 19, 1983. Her butchered body was found by workman under a shed behind a shop run by Arthur Greer later that year.

Greer was convicted of Sharon’s murder in 1994 and received a life sentence.

However, there is a widely held belief that Greer did not kill Sharon and the WA Innocence Project have conducted a long-running campaign to appeal his conviction but his requests for parole have continually been knocked back.

His pro bono lawyer Jonathan Davies has applied to the board to allow Greer parole in light of the new evidence, which may explain his longstanding refusal to accept responsibility for the schoolgirl’s murder.

The evidence uncovered by John Button, who was also wrongly convicted over a murder committed by serial killer Eric Edgar Cooke, was presented to the Innocence Project in WA and Edith Cowan University law students, as well as criminologists and psychologists.

His years as a builder meant he was able to find a discrepancy about where the plumbing was on the Mosman Park site where Ms Mason’s remains were found.

It is now suggested that the remains were above pipes that were installed after the girl’s disappearance in 1983, and were not located under a shed then belonging to Greer, which was thought to have concealed the burial spot.

Many believe Arthur Greer was wrongly convicted of the murder of Sharon Mason, 14 (above) and that her real killer remains uncaught.Source:Supplied

CHERYL RENWICK, 33

The last time Cheryl was known to have had contact with anyone was when she answered a phone call from a friend on May 25, 1986.

Her car was found abandoned at Perth Airport three days later but investigators do not believe she took a flight.

Serial killers David and Catherine Birnie remains the prime suspects in her case.

Cheryl Renwick (left) and Barbara Western (right) both vanished from Perth in 1986 and may have been victims of serial killers David and Catherine BirnieSource:News Corp Australia

BARBARA WESTERN, 38

Barbara was last seen drinking at a pub on the Albany Highway on June 26, 1986.

Her skeletal remains were eventually found in bush near Karragullen and suspicion also fell on

the Birnies, who are considered suspects in this case.

JULIE CUTLER, 20

Julie Cutler disappeared on June 22, 1988 after leaving a staff party at the Parmelia Hilton in Perth. Two days later, her upturned car was found in the surf at Cottesloe but her body has never been found.

Shortly before she went missing, she told her family somebody unknown to her had tried to run her car off the road.

Julie Cutler.Source:Supplied

LISA GOVAN, 28

Lisa Govan was last seen near the bottle shop of the Foundry Hotel in Kalgoorlie on October 8, 1999.

At the time, the hotel was also used as a clubhouse by the Club Deroes outlaw motorcycle gang.

Her body was never found and despite a $50,000 reward and two anonymous calls made to her parents in connection with her suspected murder, the case remains unsolved.

SARAH MCMAHON, 20

Sarah McMahon was last seen leaving work at Claremont on November 11, 2000.

Her car was later found abandoned and unlocked at a hospital carpark.

Missing, presumed murdered: Claremont woman Sarah McMahon.Source:Supplied

KERRY TURNER, 18

Kerry Turner vanished while hitchhiking from Victoria Park to Armadale on June 29, 1991 after a night out.

Her badly decomposed body was found four weeks later near Canning Dam.

SARA-LEE DAVEY, 21

Sara-Lee Davey was last seen alive on January 14, 1997, when she picked up a handbag from a house in Saville Street, Broome, where she had been staying for a few days, telling relatives she would return later. The car she was driving has never been found.

The police’s strongest lead was that Ms Davey was murdered by a sailor — suspected to be Perth-based, self-confessed serial killer Richard Dorrough, who confessed to her murder in a 2014 suicide note.

Richard Dorrough confessed to the murder of missing Broome woman Sara-Lee Davey, 21, in a 2014 suicide note. Picture: GWN7Source:Supplied

LISA BROWN, 19

Lisa Brown was a street worker and mother-of-two who vanished on October 11, 1998 and is believed to have been murdered.

She was last seen looking for clients in the Lake Street area of Perth.

Sex worker and mum-of-two Lisa Brown, 21, is believed to have been murdered by a serial killerSource:Supplied

DARYLYN UGLE, 25

Ms Ugle vanished on March 25, 2003, from Highgate.

Her badly decomposed body was found in bush near Mundaring Weir about two weeks later.



Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?294568-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-3/page57

01-01-2016 Sutton 

Originally Posted by Sutton

..have kept Sarah's sunflower keychain and Ciara's Claddagh ring)?

Should be Ciara's Claddagh brooch, not ring.

01-01-2016  Mel 1303

 Originally Posted by papertrai

Here is the report from the 2013 / 2014 Coroner's Hearing
http://www.coroners.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/jessica%20small%20findings%20final.pdf

On page 15 of this paper, a probable witness described the number plate as possibly being from QLD or ACT- in other words, it was not a NSW registered vehicle. Someone was travelling.

01-01-2016 papertrail 

Originally Posted by Mel 1303 

On page 15 of this paper, a probable witness described the number plate as possibly being from QLD or ACT- in other words, it was not a NSW registered vehicle. Someone was travelling.

I wonder if ##sehole Camilleri and his ##sehole mate were around the area at the time; they were known to travel to Canberra. Also, ACT is only 250kms or so from Bathurst; not that far in the scheme of things. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bega_schoolgirl_murders

01-01-2016  Bartholemeus

Jessica Small

The prime POI is named Andrew McBride;

http://www.centralwesterndaily.com.a...small-inquest/

In the interview Detective Sergeant Peter Smith said to Mr McBride that he originally told them he had never been to Bathurst, but police had obtained banking records which placed him in the city a number of times in 1997.

http://www.westernadvocate.com.au/st...ca-small-case/

Mr Ross gave evidence at the inquest that on the night Jessica was abducted he had spoken to a man, aged about 34, who identified himself as working at the Oberon Timber Mill. His description of that man matched that of the driver given to police by Vanessa Conlan.


So the prime POI wasn't a local but worked in Oberon Timber Mill (about 50km away). On the current affairs show I watched, Jessica's friend said she thought he was the guy (because she saw him just prior to the abduction).


60 Minutes Episode;

02-01-2016 cydonia 

Does anyone have the timeline of assaults that occurred in the area between 1994-2000 that was posted a while back? Can someone PM me it? 

Looking for significant events in 1999.

02-01-2016  Mel 1303 

Originally Posted by cydonia 

Does anyone have the timeline of assaults that occurred in the area between 1994-2000 that was posted a while back? Can someone PM me it? 

Looking for significant events in 1999.

Not sure, I will have a look.

02-01-2016   elastic

 Originally Posted by cydonia

WA only:

25/8/1969 Jean Climas ex Mosman Park missing. initially from Vic. May have taken on new identity. 
22/9/1969 Anne Zapelli ex Geraldton although from Morowa. policeman boyfriend. missing walking home from drive-in theatre. SA pedophile in area at time death bed confession. 
9/12/1975 Glenyce McGowan ex Nunaturra camping ground traveling to Darwin ex Parmelia. 
28/12/1979 Kerryn Tate missing found at Boulder Rock. Found deceased by fire (?) May be occult connection as she had connection to group. 
21/3/1980 Sophie Woodman (traveling last known in Vic with young girlfriend who left and went to Qld, Sophie's homebase WA)
13/9/1980 Annette Deverell ex Mandurah outside post office last seen talking to man in yellow panelvan; headless corpse located 7/7/1982 Waroona Dam. 
30/10/1980 Lisa Mott ex Collie missing; last seen talking to man in yellow panel van. Birnie known to have been in Collie at time. 
18/3/1986 Sharon Fulton ex East Perth Railway Station missing dropped off by husband. Maybe domestic involvement.
26/5/1986 Cheryl Renwick ex South Perth worked at psych hostel Northbridge. Could man named Masters be responsible?
27/8/1986 Barbara Western ex Vic Park, located 19/3/1991 (cemetery record) Spectacles (south of Perth). Headless torso in roadside ditch
6/10/1986 - 10/11/1986 5 x Birnie abductions; 4 murders 1 survivor. 
20/8/1987 Sally Greenham ex Adelaide Terrace after alighting taxi. Had traveled from Geraldton (not in taxi), missing.
20/6/1988 Julie Cutler ex Parmelia Hilton hotel Perth after staff function. Car found in surf at Cottesloe 2 days later. Missing.
29/6/1991 Kerry Turner ex Victoria Park dropped of by taxi outside Cafe L'Affair (spelling ?), on way to Armadale. Witnessed getting into car which traveled east towards Midland. Had been to Pinocchio's Nightclub in Perth.
16/5/1992 Radina Djukich ex North Beach. (shockingly) had been handed to known pedophile through court system. Missing. Pedophile subsequently convicted of murder of woman in following year.
13/7/1992 Cariad Slater missing 67a Rosewood Ave Woodlands. Solved man charged and convicted; case going through appeal process. Located in yard he lived in and address where taxi had dropped her off at.
7/10/1993 Alex Turner brother of Kerry Turner (missing 23/6/1991) murdered in homophobic attack. 
27/1/1996 Sarah Spiers ex Claremont; missing
9/6/1996 Jane Rimmer missing ex Claremont, murdered located Wellard 3/8/1996
15/1/1997 Sara-Lee Davey ex Broome, missing. Man charged with murder Richard Dorrough 2015.
15/3/1997 Ciara Glennon ex Claremont, missing. Located murdered Eglinton 3/4/1997
9/11/1998 Lisa Brown ex Northbridge (street worker). Missing.
28/4/1999 Petronella Albert ex Broome. Could Dorrough be responsible?
29/7/1999 Hayley Dodd ex Badgingarra missing. Wark and 'one other' alleged murderers; one other now deceased suicide.
8/10/1999 Lisa Govan ex Kalgoorlie missing. Wark may be involved.
25/1/1999 Deborah Anderson ex Woodvale. Located Midland area deceased in driver's seat of burnt vehicle.
8/11/2000 Sarah McMahon ex Claremont work place lived with parents Parkerville; missing. Morey believed responsible. Coroner's inquest outcome.
15/11/2001 Susan Christie ex Daglish, missing. Ex husband charged and convicted, successful technical-based appeal quashed sentence. 
18/3/2002 Christine Schipp ex Middle Swan. Prostitute. missing, located 6/5/2003 (cemetery record)
25/3/2003 Darrylyn Ugle. Street worker ex Northbridge. Located at Farrell Grove Mundaring Weir, ligature used Morey believed responsible. Matching forensics too circumstantial. 
1/6/2003 Judy M'ringu ex Africa, call girl missing ex Bentley. 
3/5/2010 Iveta Mitchell missing ex residence Parmelia. Had worked at hotel near Mundaring.

This was papertrails list from memory.

02-01-2016   silver tongue

just been reading about robin geraid dyers the murdoch rapist, he lobbed in australia in 96 from south africa if theres no dna in the claremont cases he has to be considered ,i cant find the exact date he arrived.
he is also a fit for mm

Last edited by silver tongue; 01-02-2016 at 08:40 AM.

02-01-2016   Bartholemeus

Originally Posted by silver tongue 

ust been reading about robin geraid dyers the murdoch rapist, he lobbed in australia in 96 from south africa if theres no dna in the claremont cases he has to be considered ,i cant find the exact date he arrived.
he is also a fit for mm

The Murdoch rapes happened after the CSK. It's unlikely the CSK regressed from murder to rape. Dyers also looks nothing like MM. I think we can safely rule Dyers out.

02-01-2016   silver tongue

i just found the time of arrival suss, he lobs in 96 the claremont seriaL KILLING begins hes around 6ft he has dark hair, asemi proffesional soccer player so he able to carry out blitz attacks a violent rapist who also bashed the girls he was raping and told them if they make one sound he would slit their throats. the last attempted rape he was caught in his car were he tricked her offering her a lift home 
your probably right its not him but id check his wardrobe for a puffy shirt all the same

Last edited by silver tongue; 01-02-2016 at 07:51 PM.

02-01-2016   Parkie 

Silver Tongue, get it together. Your Quote; but id check his wardrobe for a puffy shirt all the same. End Quote.

Durr, like he`d keep that shirt 19 years after Claremont. They DNA everyone after arrest. Dyers is not involved in the csk cases.

02-01-2016   crabstick 

What did Janes watch look like? Do police have a picture of the watch?

Originally Posted by Sutton

Do y'all think Jane's watch fell off as her body was carried to the disposal site? Or do y'all think the CSK had planned on keeping it but accidentally dropped it when he left (as he is said to have kept Sarah's sunflower keychain and Ciara's Claddagh ring)?

02-01-2016   Parkie 

I`d say he took it & dropped it.

02-01-2016   papertrail 

very interesting ABC transcript aired 25 June 2000

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...202#transcript

02-01-2016   crabstick

They are DNA testing everyone in Claremont on the nights. They can triangulate with the DNA of all the people that were there.

Perth wasn't that big in 1996

I would also volunteer DNA test all male UWA staff especially after Santen

People investigated, We have LW, main roads or similar. We have PW, ex Mayor (Historical knowledge)

26 January 1996, Sarah Spiers, 18 (Australia day weekend)
9 June 1996, Jane Rimmer, 23 (St Brigids Feast day)
14 March 1997, Ciara Glennon, 27 (St Patricks day celebrations weekend)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_serial_murders

The Three Patron Saints of Ireland.

Brigit of Kildare Feast day: 1 February
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigit_of_Kildare
Saint Columba, Feast Day: 9 June
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba
St Patrick, Feast day: 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

Cutler, Winter Solstice
Santen, Equinox

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Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

03-01-2016  Sutton

Originally Posted by crabstic

What did Janes watch look like? Do police have a picture of the watch?

Police have the actual watch. They could take as many pictures as they wish.
I have never seen a published description of the watch.

03-01-2016 Sutton 

Paper posted an article once, "Missing woman: video clue hope" from the West Australian that read Jane was "wearing a silver wristwatch."

It's in thread 2 somewhere.

03-01-2016 aim2solve

With all due respect, there are many on the sidelines watching this thread. 

The offender was not meticulous to the extent that he would adhere to specific dates of his abductions. While there was an element of planning, he was largely an opportunist. The living witness project of late 1997 led to most females coming forward with information regarding people offering transport in CMT during the period. Almost none of the descriptions correlated in any way. This means that the offender's strategy was to not be too exposed to witnesses extensively, at least with the same profile. 

From a profiling perspective, experts asked of the MO of the particular offender in this case, mentioned that the Gugeri Street Rape involved the offender waiting with his vehicle parked. Freshwater Parade and Mount Street provide perfect opportunities for anyone to watch in darkness patrons of CMT establishments on their way home, as opposed to actively stalking them or approaching on the off chance passing through.

Persist with the brainstorming, steer clear of the paranormal; we're all here for the same result.

03-01-2016 Mel 1303 

Originally Posted by aim2solve

With all due respect, there are many on the sidelines watching this thread. 

The offender was not meticulous to the extent that he would adhere to specific dates of his abductions. While there was an element of planning, he was largely an opportunist. The living witness project of late 1997 led to most females coming forward with information regarding people offering transport in CMT during the period. Almost none of the descriptions correlated in any way. This means that the offender's strategy was to not be too exposed to witnesses extensively, at least with the same profile. 

From a profiling perspective, experts asked of the MO of the particular offender in this case, mentioned that the Gugeri Street Rape involved the offender waiting with his vehicle parked. Freshwater Parade and Mount Street provide perfect opportunities for anyone to watch in darkness patrons of CMT establishments on their way home, as opposed to actively stalking them or approaching on the off chance passing through.

Persist with the brainstorming, steer clear of the paranormal; we're all here for the same result.

Do you have information on the living witness project? Just out of interest.

03-01-2016 papertrail 

Originally Posted by aim2solve

ith all due respect, there are many on the sidelines watching this thread. 

The offender was not meticulous to the extent that he would adhere to specific dates of his abductions. While there was an element of planning, he was largely an opportunist. The living witness project of late 1997 led to most females coming forward with information regarding people offering transport in CMT during the period. Almost none of the descriptions correlated in any way. This means that the offender's strategy was to not be too exposed to witnesses extensively, at least with the same profile. 

From a profiling perspective, experts asked of the MO of the particular offender in this case, mentioned that the Gugeri Street Rape involved the offender waiting with his vehicle parked. Freshwater Parade and Mount Street provide perfect opportunities for anyone to watch in darkness patrons of CMT establishments on their way home, as opposed to actively stalking them or approaching on the off chance passing through.

Persist with the brainstorming, steer clear of the paranormal; we're all here for the same result.

Witness descriptions are notoriously 'faulty' and at times unreliable due to each individuals' perception of what they had observed; and in the Claremont case, witnesses may have also been under the influence of excessive alcohol consumption and / or drugs (self administered or drink spiking). Time from witness observation 'event' would also greatly alter perception as it is no longer in 'front of mind' memory but pushed back into long term memory recall. Alcohol and drug use is also known to affect perception and memory. 

Extensive newspaper and other media coverage could also have altered witness perception. Many people may have come forward in an endeavour to 'help and assist' with the investigation but they may not have actually experienced or observed the 'lift offering'. 

Interesting that GreenDevil also mentioned this 'living witness' project in thread #2, post 632.

Re Freshwater Parade and Mount Street. Mount St only provided cover for offender if Bay View Club patrons exited and ventured west down St Quentin, perhaps walking to phone booth in Stirling Rd (I keep in mind that after SS disappearance, the Club installed a taxi phone and I understand that a taxi rank was put in place in St Quentin). Freshwater Parade, on the other hand, only provided observation opportunity if Club patrons walked south down Church Lane passing HJ's and then to Stirling Highway or down Bay View Terrace to Stirling Highway then turning left or right down Stirling Highway. I am not sure if Freshwater would have offered a clear view opportunity for left hand turners onto Stirling Highway.

Given that CG's friends considered she was off to find a taxi to get back to Mosman Park, I wonder if CG was told about the taxi rank in St Quentin; possibly not, given that she had ventured down Bay View Terrace to Stirling Highway bypassing St Quentin -- if only. 

I know my west / east comments are not strictly correct, but you will get my gist I am sure.

RE "The offender was not meticulous to the extent that he would adhere to specific dates of his abductions"; what makes you consider this ?

03-01-2016 papertrail 

Originally Posted by silver tongu

i just found the time of arrival suss, he lobs in 96 the claremont seriaL KILLING begins hes around 6ft he has dark hair, asemi proffesional soccer player so he able to carry out blitz attacks a violent rapist who also bashed the girls he was raping and told them if they make one sound he would slit their throats. the last attempted rape he was caught in his car were he tricked her offering her a lift home 
your probably right its not him but id check his wardrobe for a puffy shirt all the same.

Dyers may well have been a 'copycat' in his own mind; deliberately attempting to 'connect himself to the Claremont matters. His timing was interesting.

03-01-2016 papertrail 

Originally Posted by Sutton

Paper posted an article once, "Missing woman: video clue hope" from the West Australian that read Jane was "wearing a silver wristwatch."
It's in thread 2 somewhere.

Thread #2, message 936 is full jpg attachment. Watch reference in clothing description para, commences bottom of lefthand column in attached snip of my original 936 message attachment.

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04-01-2016 aim2solve

 Originally Posted by Mel 1303 

o you have information on the living witness project? Just out of interest.

As other posters have said, it was largely unsuccessful. Fueled by personal theories and hype, people often came forward with suspicions rather than observations. As GreenDevil has mentioned, a white Commodore wagon had been seen offering lifts in the area by more than one witness, however, the description of the driver(s) and vehicle configurations varied. 

The only other significant witness consistency of suspicious people during that time is that of a collar length dark-blonde haired male. Again, witness accounts of this gentleman were very unreliable. 

The information regarding the said vehicle is, I think, the most tangible and worthwhile areas of focus. Due to thecommonality of the model, it would take an enormous amount of resources to eliminate, but we can positively say thatthe offender drove that particular vehicle at those particular times. 

There seems to be a lot of members of this forum who are great researchers.

04-01-2016 Mel 1303 

 Originally Posted by aim2solve 

As other posters have said, it was largely unsuccessful. Fueled by personal theories and hype, people often came forward with suspicions rather than observations. As GreenDevil has mentioned, a white Commodore wagon had been seen offering lifts in the area by more than one witness, however, the description of the driver(s) and vehicle configurations varied. 

The only other significant witness consistency of suspicious people during that time is that of a collar length dark-blonde haired male. Again, witness accounts of this gentleman were very unreliable. 

The information regarding the said vehicle is, I think, the most tangible and worthwhile areas of focus. Due to thecommonality of the model, it would take an enormous amount of resources to eliminate, but we can positively say that the offender drove that particular vehicle at those particular times. 

There seems to be a lot of members of this forum who are great researchers.

Thanks, I had heard mention before (greendevil?) of the living witness project, but couldnt find anything about it. 

Eyewitness recollections are contradictory at the best of times- asking people to remember specifics from night time observations, where alcohol may be involved- and it would get confusing really quickly. 

There are a lot of great researchers on this forum! I am not one of them. One thing that I have been looking for, and apologies if it has already been posted, is a picture of the man with the blondish hair caught on camera talking to CG on the night she was abducted. If he was caught of video, then police have an image of him. Does anyone have a copy of that image?

04-01-2016 papertrail 

Originally Posted by aim2solve

As other posters have said, it was largely unsuccessful. Fueled by personal theories and hype, people often came forward with suspicions rather than observations. As GreenDevil has mentioned, a white Commodore wagon had been seen offering lifts in the area by more than one witness, however, the description of the driver(s) and vehicle configurations varied. 

The only other significant witness consistency of suspicious people during that time is that of a collar length dark-blonde haired male. Again, witness accounts of this gentleman were very unreliable. 

The information regarding the said vehicle is, I think, the most tangible and worthwhile areas of focus. Due to thecommonality of the model, it would take an enormous amount of resources to eliminate, but we can positively say that the offender drove that particular vehicle at those particular times. 

There seems to be a lot of members of this forum who are great researchers

Re Hair colour. Last week I posted my observations regarding people's perceptions of hair colour and how they would describe a particular hair colour. It would be an interesting project to conduct to find out what shade of 'blonde' would people change their description of to brown. At the same time, conducting a colour blindness test. 

And again, I also wrote about the sighting of the white coloured commodore station wagon and the linking of that vehicle via forensic exhibit to JR disposal site or her body. Bret Christian detailed that the particular upholstery fabric had been linked forensically to only the particular Holden release of VS Series 1 Commodores. Current online information details that that particular series of vehicle had 2 brand names ie Calais and Berlina which were both upmarket models and I consider it more likely that Holden would fitout upmarket models with an upmarket fabric upholstery; hence the upholstery fabric being used only for a particular model of VS series 1. This leads me to consider that the witness sighting of CG talking with the occupants of the station wagon may have been just that. She may have continued her journey and another driver has stopped and he was driving either a Calais or Berlina sedan, not necessarily a station wagon.

Both the Calais and Berlina models were available in station wagon models.

I consider more information needs to be sought from the manufacturer regarding exactly which model (branded as Calais, Berlina or Commodore) VS Series 1 had what particular fabric upholstery to see if focus can be narrowed. Any volunteers ?

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04-01-2016 papertrail 

 Originally Posted by Mel 1303

Thanks, I had heard mention before (greendevil?) of the living witness project, but couldnt find anything about it. 

Eyewitness recollections are contradictory at the best of times- asking people to remember specifics from night time observations, where alcohol may be involved- and it would get confusing really quickly. 

There are a lot of great researchers on this forum! I am not one of them. One thing that I have been looking for, and apologies if it has already been posted, is a picture of the man with the blondish hair caught on camera talking to CG on the night she was abducted. If he was caught of video, then police have an image of him. Does anyone have a copy of that image?

The image has not been released as far as I know. This is one of the reasons I posted that newspaper article that detailed CCTV footage was captured on the night CG was abducted. The newspaper report I posted on WS, had the detail and that police were trying to identify to guy.

04-01-2016 NotAClue

Originally Posted by papertrail 

Re Hair colour. Last week I posted my observations regarding people's perceptions of hair colour and how they would describe a particular hair colour. It would be an interesting project to conduct to find out what shade of 'blonde' would people change their description of to brown. At the same time, conducting a colour blindness test. 

And again, I also wrote about the sighting of the white coloured commodore station wagon and the linking of that vehicle via forensic exhibit to JR disposal site or her body. Bret Christian detailed that the particular upholstery fabric had been linked forensically to only the particular Holden release of VS Series 1 Commodores. Current online information details that that particular series of vehicle had 2 brand names ie Calais and Berlina which were both upmarket models and I consider it more likely that Holden would fitout upmarket models with an upmarket fabric upholstery; hence the upholstery fabric being used only for a particular model of VS series 1. This leads me to consider that the witness sighting of CG talking with the occupants of the station wagon may have been just that. She may have continued her journey and another driver has stopped and he was driving either a Calais or Berlina sedan, not necessarily a station wagon.

Both the Calais and Berlina models were available in station wagon models.

I consider more information needs to be sought from the manufacturer regarding exactly which model (branded as Calais, Berlina or Commodore) VS Series 1 had what particular fabric upholstery to see if focus can be narrowed. Any volunteers ?

Great work to all in this thread. Interesting to note that Toyota Lexcens were just rebranded Commodores during this time as well. A part of a govt initiative for the car industry to combine resources back then. If google, and image the lexcen and see the resemblance.

04-01-2016 aim2solv

May I point out that whatever vehicle was seen parked up next to CG on the morning of March 15, would most likely have had centrally controlled electric windows. It's improbable that the offender would be leaning across to wind down the window manually. The Executive's rather wide breadth would have made it uncomfortable.
There's a query for the manufacturer.

04-01-2016  Parkie 

No electric windows cause I nearly bought a VS at an Auction @ that time. It was a white ex Telstra.

04-01-2016  papertrail 

Holden Commodore VS Series 1 recall noticed issued 24 January 1996

Defect described as "Cooler Hose Clamp May Not Provide Sufficient Clamp Load And May Dislodge From The Fitting."

https://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/955205

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?294568-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-3/page59

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/the-courage-of-our-convictions---the-claremont/3473202#transcript


The Courage of our Convictions - The Claremont Serial Killer

Sunday 25 June 2000 9:00AM

Several young Perth women have disappeared, and two bodies found dumped in the desert. Stricken families and police want to try everything to get the killer...DNA tests on all taxi drivers, American style profiling, lie detectors, and finely judged leaks to the media - all to build the pressure. It's the biggest murder hunt in our history - but what if it's not fair?

Transcript

Announcer: Ciara Glennon disappeared from Claremont in the early hours of March 15. On the 3rd April, her body was found at Edlington, north of Perth.

Redrock Hotel (formerly the Continental on Bayview Terrace, Claremont. Both Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon were drinking there with friends before they were abducted and murdered. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

Gerald Tooth: What is the right thing to do when confronted with absolute evil? How important is it to be fair, to maintain the rules of our society as we struggle to overcome terror?

How do we give people peace of mind when there is no protection from what we fear most: a killer in our midst, a killer who's addicted to killing for the sake of it and has found a way to get away with it time and time again? What do we do and how do we do it?

Do we single out those under suspicion and speak their names before we have the evidence to support those suspicions?

I'm Gerald Tooth and you're listening to Background Briefing.

NIGHT CLUB ATMOSPHERE

Gerald Tooth: We're on a footpath outside a Perth nightclub in the affluent suburb of Claremont. Until recently it was called the Continental Hotel.

From this corner there are a string of cafes, restaurants and shops that run two short blocks to the four-lane Stirling Highway. On a busy street about 150 metres away is the area's only other nightspot, The Club Bayview.

In this part of Perth shoe shops outnumber nightclubs by at least two to one, but it's the nightclubs that have made Claremont notorious. Between January 1996 and March 1997 three women disappeared from these streets at the end of a night out with friends.

Announcer: Sarah Spiers was last seen here at the Club Bayview about 2am last Saturday morning. She told her friend she was tired and was going to get a taxi home.

Gerald Tooth: The first, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers, has never been seen again.

St Quentin Avernue, Claremont, W.A. Halfway down is the Club Bayview. Sarah Spiers walked from there to the far end of the street to call a cab. She hasn't been seen since.

Announcer: The missing woman, Jane Louise Rimmer, spent most of Saturday night drinking with friends at the Continental Hotel in Claremont. Police say she declined her friend's offer to share a taxi home when the pub closed at midnight.

Gerald Tooth: 23-year-old Jane Rimmer went missing on June 9, 1996. Her body was found in bushland south of Perth almost eight weeks later.

Announcer: Ciara Ailish Glennon was celebrating St Patrick's Day with friends at the popular Continental Hotel. She left alone, just after midnight, telling friends she was heading straight home, police presume, by taxi.

Gerald Tooth: 27-year-old Ciara Glennon's body was found in bushland north of Perth three weeks after she was last seen alive.

West Australian Police are convinced the crimes were all committed by one individual, a serial killer.

A police map of the movements of people at Calremont on the night Ciara Glennon was abducted. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

They have also told Background Briefing that they believe that another disappearance, that of 22-year-old Julie Cutler almost a decade earlier, in 1988, is connected.

No charges have been laid in relation to the crimes.

While there are a million rumours, very little is really known about what actually happened at Claremont. We don't know how the women were killed, or anything about how they were lured to their deaths.

The ongoing police investigation is characterised by secrecy.

Announcer: A mother and her children picking flowers in bushland south of Perth found the body of Jane Rimmer on the weekend. Police quickly threw a cordon around the area and began a painstaking search for clues. Details of how the 23-year-old died are now a closely guarded secret. All the police will say is they've gained vital clues from the scene.

Signs outside the Club Bayview, Claremont. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

Gerald Tooth: Those details remained a secret, as they did when Ciara Glennon was found. Police have good reason to keep facts like that to themselves, and there is no argument with that. But things have been very different when it comes to details about Lance, their chief suspect.

At this point it must be pointed out that this man is presumed innocent of these horrible crimes. He has not been charged or found guilty of anything.

Lance, who is in his 40s, lives with his parents in a neighbouring suburb to Claremont. Police stopped and detained him on the streets of Claremont at 3am on the 8th April, 1998. They moved in after an intense surveillance operation over some months had observed him in his car regularly following women as they left nightclubs.

On the night he was taken in, detectives questioned Lance for several hours, then released him. Since then, police have searched his flat and his parents' home, twice. They subjected his car to forensic testing. With his consent, they took DNA samples.

At his request he was subjected to a lie detector test and, at a later date, he consented to a day-and-a-half of psychological analysis.

They openly followed his every move 24 hours a day for over a year, until October 1999, sitting outside his house in an unmarked car, following him to work and home again. It got to the stage that Lance would ring the police to let them know when he was doing anything that wasn't routine, like going to a workmate's farewell party.

Bayview Terrace, Claremont (Redrock Hotel formerly the Continental Hotel) Photo by Gerald Tooth.

During the time of surveillance, and since, no other women have gone missing in Claremont. Four others have disappeared without trace in Western Australia, but police are adamant that those cases are not related.

Background Briefing is not suggesting that this man is responsible for any of these crimes.

This is a story about how an investigation proceeded, an investigation hunting for a multiple murderer who is terrorising a city. And about whether the tactics employed are legitimate.

Someone who thinks they're not is President of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties, Terry O'Gorman. He describes long-term overt surveillance as outright harassment.

Terry O'Gorman: It's not only illegitimate, but it is something that I would hope that the Conference of Australian Police Commissioners would outlaw. One of the conclusions that I hope will come from this case eventually, is that this particular tactic of exerting overt and very public psychological pressure will be outlawed forever. If this is going to be used, then we are very little different from other totalitarian countries that we quite readily criticise, whose police use similar tactics. They have no place in a so-called democracy. It is the first time I have seen this tactic used, I hope it's the last time.

Gerald Tooth: The West Australian Police refused to make comment about the specifics of overt surveillance used in relation to this case, making instead the general statement that overt surveillance was a legitimate and effective technique for monitoring a person's activities.

The West Australian Government also declined to make comment.

Police Minister, Kevin Prince, refused to be interviewed for this program, saying he would not speak about an ongoing police investigation.

Sign outside the Club Bayview, Claremont. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

It's almost two years since it became public knowledge that the police had a prime suspect in the case. Since then there are only two things the police haven't done in their efforts to solve the crime: charge him with anything; or clear him of suspicion.

This lack of decisive action follows the largest, the most sophisticated and the most expensive murder inquiry Australia has ever seen. It's also the most well resourced because of a funding arrangement unique in Australian policing.

Announcer: Neil Ferris and other business leaders in Perth are so concerned by the disappearances and murders, they've set up a special fund to help support the police. They've so far committed a quarter-of-a-million dollars to the campaign.

Gerald Tooth: Private funds have significantly boosted the investigative options open to police in the hunt for the Claremont serial killer. Associates of Denis Glennon, the father of Ciara Glennon, set up The Secure Community Foundation, after she was found murdered. The initial $250,000 grew rapidly. No-one will say exactly how much has been raised so far, but figures from between $600,000 to $900,000 have been quoted to Background Briefing.

Denis Glennon, who is not formally part of the foundation, explains the initial reason it was set up.

Dennis Glennon: Its purpose was initially to provide additional resources to the W.A. Police for a very substantial public campaign to research and gather and seek any information that could help the police in identifying what happened to Ciara, and the two girls before her.

Gerald Tooth: The result was that nine months after being set up in the wake of the first two disappearances, Macro, the name the police gave the task force hunting the serial killer, had extra money to spend.

Already a massive operation with up to 80 police working on the case at any one time, it now had the wherewithal to launch a sophisticated media campaign.

Announcer: Did you see anything that might help trace Ciara's footsteps?

Gerald Tooth: The initial media campaign brought in more than 10,000 individual pieces of information. The Macro task force was also taking proactive steps as it made the most of the Secure Community Foundation funds to import a range of investigative techniques from overseas.

Some of them had been seen here before, but they had never been used in Australia as part of a formal investigation. For example, lie detector tests, carried out on a machine known as a polygraph.

Macro head, Detective Superintendent David Caporn, welcomed the influence of private funds on his investigation.

Detective Superintendent, David Caporn, head of the Macro Task Force that's investigating the murders. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

David Caporn: Now here is where we go into the non-traditional lines that have been covered, and when I say non-traditional, certainly non-traditional in Australia. Some of the things that we've done are very traditional in other parts of the world. One example being polygraph. Now we employed the polygraph, we've employed it on two occasions. On the first occasion it was to basically look at a group of in excessive of 50 individuals that weren't suspects in the crime but had got to the stage where we'd done as much as we could do on these people and we couldn't eliminate them. So we used it as a screening tool, nothing more, nothing less. There was a lot of conjecture that we were just sitting there waiting for someone to fail it so we could say, 'Well ha-ha, we've got the person that committed these crimes.' Nothing further from the truth.

Gerald Tooth: Later someone did fail and as you will hear the use of the lie detector test has now raised more questions than it's found answers for the Macro task force.

The police couldn't have used it in the first place unless the Secure Community Foundation had agreed to pay for an FBI trained expert to come out from the United States with his polygraph machine, not once but twice.

The first trip was, as David Caporn just said, to test over 50 'persons of interest', as the police call them. The next trip, months later, was to give an exam for one, Lance, the chief suspect.

Terry O'Gorman says Macro should never have gone down that path.

Terry O'Gorman: It certainly is in the interest of the Perth community to have this matter investigated as thoroughly as possible, but what is occurring as a result of this glut of private money available, is that police are using dubious, almost Mickey Mouse investigation techniques such as the bringing over of the lie detector expert, which no police administrator would allow money to be spent on because it's full well known that the results of the lie detector test are not admissible in any criminal court in the USA or Australia.

Gerald Tooth: It's Terry O'Gorman's view that private funding has dangerously skewed the Claremont Serial Killer investigation through the use of policing methods that have the capacity to undermine some of the fundamental underpinnings of our judicial system, such as the presumption of innocence which must be afforded every individual up until the time they are found guilty of a crime by a jury of their peers.

He says private funding is a slippery slope that sees police beholden to their benefactors in more ways than one.

For example, in asking the Secure Community Foundation for funding for certain investigative tools, private citizens on the Foundation's board are made aware of details of the investigation, a situation Terry O'Gorman argues is untenable.

Terry O'Gorman: Now it's that sort of worrying implications for fairness in the criminal justice system that I see arising from private funding of criminal investigations. Of course, if we want to get a conviction at any cost, if we want to get a conviction notwithstanding the possibility of a miscarriage of justice, fine. But if we want a fair trial, if we want a balanced trial, then private community funding of police in particular investigations is a major worry.

Gerald Tooth: For the families of the victims though, there are no such concerns. All they want to see is the killer caught.

Denis Glennon argues that the police investigation is more effective because of the community involvement and that it has created a co-operative approach that's about far more than money. He says it's immaterial whether an investigative tool is made available through private funds or not.

Denis Glennon applauds the way the West Australian Police took up techniques never used in Australia before in their pursuit of his daughter's murderer.

Denis Glennon: They were seen as genuine attempts by the police in Western Australia to resolve the killing of two girls, possibly three, possibly four. So no, I wouldn't see them as being controversial.

Gerald Tooth: There is no question though that Polygraph tests are controversial. In the scientific world Polygraphs are the cause of much division and gnashing of teeth. There is a wealth of research literature arguing that they are unreliable. It's been documented that simple tricks like the self-inflicted pain from pressing down on a thumb tack inside a shoe will fool the machine into giving a false reading. There are books and websites on how to beat the Polygraph.

The unresolved scientific debate is largely the reason that polygraph results are not recognised by any Australian courts.

So, in August, 1998, when it became public that Lance had been given and failed a Polygraph test paid for by the Secure Community Foundation, a storm of controversy broke. The West Australian Police are still vehemently arguing that they had nothing to do with the release of the information.

Macro head, David Caporn.

David Caporn: It was certainly not in our interests, either for tactic or judicially sound, or ethically sound, for us to do that, and there was no win in it for us. I mean I think when you put the facts on the table, no-one could legitimately make a case as to why we would do that.

Gerald Tooth: One person who can think of a few reasons is Terry O'Gorman. Building further pressure on the suspect to make a confession for a start, or further down the track priming potential jurors with information that could help towards a conviction should Lance ever be charged.

Terry O'Gorman: That is a significant piece of highly prejudicial information, which particularly in a small city like Perth where the potential jury pool is quite small, and where this particular series of murders have been understandably very much a community issue, I can't see how any juror who has been living in Perth during the time of this publicity can be expected to forget that fact. Most jurors are brought up on a diet of US television, and US television police shows promote the view that lie detector tests are almost completely definitive.

Gerald Tooth: And it's not just civil libertarian defence lawyers who hold grave concerns about the police use of Polygraphs and the subsequent release of results. West Australian Director of Public Prosecutions, Robert Cock, is also unimpressed at police leaking of such juror-sensitive information.

Robert Cock: I can't imagine a situation in which the results of a test which itself is not admissible in proceedings, could ever be justified.

Gerald Tooth: Would the actions that they took in this instance jeopardise their whole investigation?

Robert Cock: It's not a question of jeopardising the investigation of course, the investigation is probably facilitated I suppose, having regard to their methodology by any pressure put on the particular suspect. My anxiety is the risk that the trial will itself be in jeopardy, and of course that's a different level. But again, my concern is that the investigative techniques must be reasonably fair so as to ensure no jeopardy to any ultimate trial.

Gerald Tooth: In your view, were they fair in this instance?

Robert Cock: I've already explained that I don't see any basis upon which one could possibly justify the release of information which in some countries is available to implicate an accused person; In Western Australia where that information is simply not available and not properly ever able to be put before a jury.

Gerald Tooth: It's criticism that has Detective Superintendent David Caporn bristling.

David Caporn: If Mr Cock said that, he'd be acting in a void, because we have never released the results of the Polygraph test of the individual we're talking about it, and I know that there's been a lot of discussion between the family of that person and the media, some of which I've seen myself on news reports. The fact that we continue to pursue the particular person and continue to pursue the particular person since the test, there's been a lot of speculation about that, and in an investigation that it is subject to the intense media that this investigation's been subject to, it's very very hard to conceal the fact that inquiries were ongoing about this person. We have never released that result, never would release that result. But we can't walk away from the fact that we're still investigating the person. Now the media are putting two and two together. I mean we can't do anything about that.

Gerald Tooth: You say it wasn't officially released; can you say that it wasn't leaked to the media by police? Because if that information didn't come from the police, where did it come from?

David Caporn: It was certainly not in our interest to release the information as to the results of that person's test, so we never did.

Gerald Tooth: David Caporn.

So how, out of all the tens of thousands of pieces of information being handled by Macro, did the lie detector test result of their chief suspect become public? The story was broken on ABC Television by journalist Sue Short. She told Background Briefing that police sources from outside the Macro Task Force led her to the scoop.

When Sue Short approached Macro to confirm the details, she was not discouraged from broadcasting them. As she was busy editing her exclusive piece for that night's bulletin, the police were equally busy doing their bit to spread the story.

Luke Morfesse was the senior police reporter at The West Australian newspaper at the time.

Luke Morfesse: It may have suited the task force, certainly some people in the task force, that the ABC-TV had broadcast that the suspect had failed a lie detector test, and indeed we were contacted, we were alerted the ABC was doing this story and it may be in our interest to pursue the story.

Gerald Tooth: Police alerted you that the ABC was about to broadcast that story?

Luke Morfesse: That's right, yes.

Gerald Tooth: Which would indicate that they knew that the ABC had been given that information.

Luke Morfesse: Well yes I can't really comment on that, but yes, obviously. I'm not sure how our understanding was how ABC-TV got the story, but they knew, and it suited them for it to have an audience beyond ABC-TV.

Gerald Tooth: So they came to you at The West Australian and said, 'This information is going out on the ABC this evening, we're giving you the same information so it will be in tomorrow's newspaper.'

Luke Morfesse: That's right, yes.

Gerald Tooth: And why do you think they did that?

Luke Morfesse: It's all part of that thing with putting pressure on a suspect.

Gerald Tooth: Journalist, Luke Morfesse.

As a way of ramping up the pressure, it worked. To this point the media in Perth had largely stood by an agreement with the police not to identify their main suspect. But the release of the test result changed all that.

Announcer: In an extraordinary move, the prime suspect in the Claremont serial murder case today publicly professed his innocence. He told waiting media he wasn't the killer.

Gerald Tooth: At this stage the suspect had been overt police surveillance for six months. Suddenly he had a whole new type of surveillance to deal with: a media pack in full cry.

ABC-TV had run the story on Friday, August 31, 1998. As he left work the following Monday, Lance was confronted with a wall of cameras and microphones and a barrage of questions led by Channel 9's crime reporter.

Reporter: Are you the serial killer?

Lance: No.

Reporter: Are you innocent?

Lance: Yes.

Reporter: How has this surveillance affected you?

Lance: It's been very distressing, on me and my family.

Reporter: And how does it make you feel? How long have you been aware that you've been followed?

Lance: Since about April.

Reporter: Lance, it appears now that you've failed the Polygraph test, can you tell us why?

Lance: Well that was a very disturbing thing to me, because I'm the one that suggested I take that test initially, because I'd heard that other people they were investigating had taken it last year, and you know, I had no reason not to take it.

Reporter: Lance, I'll ask you again, because it's what everyone will want to know: are you the serial killer?

Lance: No, I'm not. No. I mean I went in voluntarily to do a test at the police station. I mean I was under no obligation to. I just wanted to, because the police were parked over across from my parents' house on weekends and you know, sort of waiting for me at work and that, I just thought, " Well I'll just go in there, do the test", because I had nothing to hide, you know.

Gerald Tooth: The questions kept flowing until the journalists were spent. Then the issue of identification arose.

Reporter: Lance, are you happy to be identified? Are you happy to come out in public and say that you are the man that's being targeted, are you happy to mention your name?

Lance: Well see, this is something I was going to do when I went home to talk over with my parents. I mean I had no sort of indication earlier that this was going to happen. My parents said there was something on the news on Friday evening I think.

Reporter: If we just say that you had denied. What we're trying to say is that we want to be able to say that you have said you are innocent, that you're not responsible and you are not the serial killer. Are you comfortable with that?

Gerald Tooth: Despite his ambivalent answers, the story, with him in it, was run on every bulletin that night. Most reporters, after legal advice obscured his face with pixillation and did not fully identify him. Channel Ten did however, showing both his face and full name.

In making this program Background Briefing approached Lance on three occasions by phone. After lengthy conversations he declined to record an interview saying he decided to stop talking to the media because it hasn't helped him in the past, and he was sick of constant intrusion.

During the final conversation he became quite agitated, saying that after two years he'd had enough of the whole thing, and was so upset that he was at the point of getting the police to 'just shoot me'.

Terry O'Gorman.

Terry O'Gorman: I think one of the big challenges to the fair trial in Australia, particularly the controversial fair trial, is the amount of pre-charge leaking that goes on in a very organised way by police, through journalists who understandably want a scoop, and who are therefore prepared to be part of this process. I consider that a law change is necessary not only in W.A. but across the country, to make it an offence for any media outlet to publicly identify someone as being under investigation until such time as they are charged. If that proposed law change were brought in, then the particular target in the W.A. Claremont serial killings could not have been publicly known and therefore it wouldn't have been possible for the police to so cynically and deliberately plant information via compliant journalists which the police full well knew that they themselves could not speak about in the public domain.

Gerald Tooth: It seems it would take such a law change before there is any reassessment of the current state of play between the media, the police and their suspects in high profile investigations.

Terry O'Gorman says the current laws relating to prejudicing the fair trial of an individual through adverse media coverage may be very clear, but in practice they are never applied.

Terry O'Gorman: The problem is the High Court, in a series of cases, particularly the Anita Cobby case, where a nurse was very brutally murdered, has essentially said in similar circumstances, 'Look, we're not going to stay a prosecution because of highly prejudicial pre-trial publicity, we will simply defer it in the hope that that highly prejudicial publicity will recede in the minds of potential jurors.' So let me make it quite clear, the law in Australia is that if this particular target is charged, he has very little, if any, prospect of getting the criminal proceedings stayed.

Gerald Tooth: Another high profile policing technique used in the Claremont serial killer investigation was criminal profiling. It's a discipline that was pioneered by the FBI in the United States.

At its simplest, profiling is the use of crime scene facts combined with the known behaviour of convicted serial killers to draw a personality picture of the unknown killer.

For instance, 75% of murders are committed by white males; we have a murder, therefore the offender is likely to be a white male.

Announcer: Claude Minisini has been trained by the FBI. He's also a former colleague of Police Commissioner Bob Falconer, who's used his services before. Yesterday he was flown into Perth after the first major breakthrough in the Rimmer Spears case. The discovery of Jane Rimmer's body in a shallow grave at Wellard, south of Perth, has finally given police a crime scene, and perhaps with Mr Minisini's training and help, a better insight into the mind of the killer.

Gerald Tooth: The Melbourne-based criminal profiler carefully examined the site where Jane Rimmer's body was found and did provide police with a profile of the killer.

His FBI training let Mr Minisini to the conclusion that the man was what is called an organised killer, someone who planned his crimes and carried them out in a very controlled fashion. The other profile option, a disorganised killer, is someone who acts on the spur of the moment.

Armed with the profile, the police called a press conference, where the then head of Macro, Paul Ferguson, told the public what sort of person they were looking for. He then asked the people of Perth to look out for signs that their work colleagues may be having a guilt-ridden response to the discovery of Jane Rimmer's body.

Paul Ferguson: These signs include absence from work, an inability to remain at work for the entire day, a sudden deterioration in work performance, an inability to concentrate, experiencing headaches, sudden changes in plans -

Gerald Tooth: Other details about the killer provided by the profile included that he would have a job, drive a late model car and be meticulous about cleaning it. There was more the police didn't release. From then on though, profiling became the public face of their investigation.

Profiling provided the basis for ads, using Blue Heelers actor John Wood and singer Kate Ceberano.

Kate Ceberano: Like Sarah's family and friends you're agonising over the events of that weekend, because you think someone close to you may be involved in her disappearance. You're worried because you've noticed a change in their routine or behaviour. Whatever it was, ease your mind.

Gerald Tooth: The ads were designed to generate fresh leads, and they did, prompting a flood of phone calls. Police are still sifting through some of that information.

As time goes on without a result though, some people are questioning the worth of Claude Minisini's FBI-based approach to profiling.

Bond University criminologist, Paul Wilson, says the technique extrapolates a lot from a little and that can hinder police more than help them. He also points to the fact that the US Senate halved the bureau's funds for profiling after ruling it lacked a scientific basis.

In academic circles at least, the approach of David Cantor from Scotland Yard is now considered the most effective form of criminal profiling.

Paul Wilson.

Paul Wilson: Well the FBI were excellent in terms of developing profiling, and essentially they developed it based on what they found with convicted serial killers. But Cantor I think has used scientific psychology to be able to make statistical predictions with more accuracy in my opinion than perhaps the FBI are able to do now. The thing about the FBI techniques is that they have not moved on very far from when they were formed in 1980.

Gerald Tooth: Paul Wilson says the FBI approach produces very shallow, general profiles that do little to establish discriminating characteristics that will separate a serial killer from others in the community.

Paul Wilson: I think people who are nervous at work or show nervousness and who wash their car regularly account for a huge proportion of the Australian population, and I think the generality of the profile would do very little except generate lots of leads which would waste police time and resources.

Gerald Tooth: On the phone from his profiling company in Melbourne, called Forensic Behavioural Investigative Services, F.B.I.S., Claude Minisini says it's Paul Wilson's analysis that's shallow and lacking a sound factual base.

Claude Minisini: Paul can sit back and say "Well they were general comments that perhaps distracted the investigation". I was part of the investigation and nothing could be further from the truth. I think that what people forget is that the individuals most cynical about the process of criminal investigative analysis or any other new process that's introduced in an investigative environment, are the investigators themselves. And if they find that what you're saying is very shallow, that it is not helpful, not useful, doesn't provide them with any additional value, they're the first ones to dismiss you and not want to involve you any further.

Gerald Tooth: The proof is in the pudding, in other words. But this pudding is actually about forcing someone to do porridge, and so far no-one has been arrested, let alone sentenced to jail.

Back on the Gold Coast at Bond University, Paul Wilson's colleague, criminologist Wayne Petherick, provides an insight into the FBI profiling philosophy.

He's reading from the FBI textbook definition of an organised killer, which closely reflects the profile details publicised by the West Australian police in the Claremont case.

Wayne Petherick: The determination of an organised crime scene is made based on the fact the offence is usually pre-planned, the victim is a targeted stranger, they tend to personalise the victim, they use controlled conversation, the crime scene reflects an overall theme of control or organisation; they demand a submissive victim, they use restraints, there's aggressive acts prior to death, the body is hidden, the weapon or evidence is absent and they usually transport the victim or body, so what that would imply is that there's usually a primary crime scene, followed up by some either secondary or peripheral crime scenes, or perhaps dump sites.

Gerald Tooth: And then what assumptions are made about what type of person would commit a crime like that?

Wayne Petherick: OK, well once the determination of the crime scene is made, generally they will go across to the offender characteristics. It would then be assumed that the offender has average to above-average intelligence, they are socially competent, they prefer skilled work, they're sexually competent, they have higher birth order, their father's work is stable though they had some inconsistent childhood discipline, they have a controlled mood during the crime, they may use alcohol or drugs with the crime, they usually operate according to some precipitating situational stress, so that could be a fight with a partner, loss of a job, loss of some money gambling, they generally live with a partner, they have a mobility, generally speaking a car that's kept in good condition, and they will follow the crime in the news and the media, and they may change jobs or leave town.

Gerald Tooth: With that last characteristic, can you explain how that has been significant in the Claremont investigation?

Wayne Petherick: It would appear that the media has been used in a certain way, whether it be to goad the offender, try to bring the offender out, try to initiate some kind of behaviour on the part of the offender, through using the media, because it is assumed that the organised offender will follow the crime in the news and media. So what they are hoping is that he is following what they're saying, and may act or react in some way to the information they're giving.

Gerald Tooth: Criminologist, Wayne Petherick.

So there it is, straight from the FBI handbook on profiling: organised offenders follow their crimes through the media. Which is why the FBI use media leaks in an attempt to influence the behaviour of suspects in serial killer cases.

Claude Minisini would have educated the West Australian Police about this approach. But to say that Superintendent Caporn and his associates applied the lesson in Claremont, would of course be mere conjecture.

Claude Minisini.

Claude Minisini: The Macro Task Force investigation was one of the most extensive, intensive and meticulous that I have ever seen both personally or objectively, and been told about. And all models and considerations were taken into account and looked at by the Task Force.

Gerald Tooth: Does the suspect that they have fit the profile that you came up with?

Claude Minisini: Yes, he does.

Gerald Tooth: In what ways?

Claude Minisini: In a number of aspects, and certainly all the aspects that were released to the public, and in the majority of aspects that have not been released to the public.

Gerald Tooth: Whatever the strengths of matching FBI profile characteristics, the police never use them as a basis for making an arrest. Charges are only ever laid on a foundation of hard evidence, and again until charges are laid and proved in court, an individual should be presumed innocent.

There is another school of thought as to why the Claude Minisini profile was apparently so general, and that is because there was simply so little evidence left behind by the killer.

Don Thomson was a criminologist at Perth's Edith Cowan University at the time of the murders.

Don Thomson: In the Claremont abductions and killings, we did not know exactly where the abductions took place. We knew that they took place in the Claremont vicinity, we knew that they took place in the darkness in the early hours of the morning. Bodies were found some weeks later, and the bodies had, over that period of time, deteriorated quite considerably. And so the sorts of clues that one often gets in relation to the victims, or the crime scene, were absent. And that then meant, together with the fact that there were no witnesses or anyone who could shed any light about what might have occurred, gave limited details to build up any sort of profile that one might find useful in assisting the police or in fact assisting the public to try and identify who the offender might be.

Now the difficulty that occurred in the West Australian inquiry was that this profiling had high visibility and the public were led to believe that this profiling would result in an early arrest. That wasn't the case, it wasn't going to be the case, and what it meant was that much of the resources that were put in the profiling were largely ill-directed, and the expectations that were built up within the public were ill-founded.

Gerald Tooth: Not true, says Claude Minisini.

Claude Minisini: We did find sufficient behavioural evidence to be able to make some very strong and incisive conclusions.

Gerald Tooth: And can you go further as to say what they were?

Claude Minisini: No, and I apologise for that. I'm not in a position to - the things that we found at the body disposal sites and what those items and aspects provided us in a profile that has a validity, I'm not in a position to go to it. It's one of the things that in the end will help the police in discriminating against somebody that's providing a false confession and a true confession.

Gerald Tooth: Claude Minisini.

Where profiling is based in the murky science of the mind, DNA testing is based on the much more sure-footed science of biology. The Claremont serial killer investigation saw the first mass DNA testing in Australia.

Path Centre (Perth). Checking the clothing from a crime scene for DNA samples. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

Most of Perth's 3500 cab drivers provided mouth swab samples over Easter 1997, just after Ciara Glennon's body was found. Police strongly suspected a cab driver was responsible for the murders, and repeatedly said so.

Faced with a massive decline in business and the odium that they were harbouring a serial killer in their midst, cab drivers were desperate for a way to restore confidence in their industry. DNA screening seemed to be the answer.

But two years later, if you hail virtually any cab in Perth and ask the driver what he thinks of DNA testing, there's little faith in the process.

CAB DOOR SHUTS

Gerald Tooth: I'm in a cab in central Perth with driver Hugh Maclennon who's the spokesperson for an organisation called Cabbies Against Crime. You ended up taking the extraordinary step, you say, of all cabbies going in for DNA testing. Firstly, was that done at your own suggestion, the cab industry's own suggestion?

Hugh Maclennon: Yes, the cab industry came forward and suggested that we thought it would be good PR for the industry. Sadly it wasn't, it backlashed on us. And the police were quite happy to do it. We had to get certain undertakings from the police before we could get full support from the industry, and that mainly was that the DNA would be used purely for this investigation, and when the industry was no longer considered to be, or someone from the industry considered to be a prime suspect, they would destroy that DNA. So we're still waiting for that to be destroyed and I'm still a little bit concerned as to whether we will finish up having that go into the national database or not.

Gerald Tooth: The National Database that Hugh Maclennon is referring to is called Crimtrac, a joint Federal-State initiative. It's currently being set up.

The Path Centre (Perth). Loading a DNA sample into the genetic analyzer bought by the Secure Community Foundation. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

In anticipation, State governments across the country are currently introducing legislation that will allow for the compulsory collection of DNA samples from both suspected and convicted offenders.

In the public mind, DNA, the blueprint of life, enjoys the status of both truth serum and Delphic Oracle, judge and jury, architect and master builder. It's like the hand of God, present in all things living, and in questions of identification, it brooks no argument.

So why hasn't DNA provided the answer in Claremont?

Belying its reputation as a biological fingerprint that leaves an incriminating stain that lasts for decades, DNA evidence is in fact very fragile. It can be destroyed or contaminated very, very easily.

Leo Freeney is the Chief Forensic Scientist at the John Tonge Centre in Brisbane. He says DNA must be in perfect condition before it is of any real use in a criminal investigation.

Leo Freeney: Well first of all, we start off with the perfect sample, and I'll state that say a bloodstain was shed on a handkerchief, and the handkerchief was kept in a cupboard, out of sunlight and it was dry, the DNA in that sample would be viable for thousands of years, and you'd be able to get a full profile from it.

If that handkerchief was left exposed to sunlight for a day or so, the DNA would be more than likely inactivated, and that's because of the action of the UV light in sunlight. One of the ways we decontaminate our cabinets is by the use of UV light. We turn it on overnight when we're not using it, and that gets rid of all extraneous DNA. So UV light can burn your skin, it can burn DNA.

Now when you get other circumstances such as rain, rain will wash it away obviously. If it's exposed to the elements; if you've got a human body and tropical weather, any surface DNA that's present from say a perpetrator, would quickly degenerate in sunlight, and would also degenerate under the influence of bacteria which feed on protein, which feed on DNA.

If there was semen in the vagina of the dead body, it would tend to last longer than anything that was left on the skin, that was exposed to the elements, but would eventually succumb to the bacterial degradation.

The Path Centre (Perth). Testing for blood on a hockey stick used in a crime. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

Gerald Tooth: What sort of time line are you talking about in those sort of circumstances, a body left exposed to the elements? How long would DNA evidence left on that body or in that body, be viable for?

Leo Freeney: Now the DNA found on a body would probably not be viable for longer than a day I'd say, if it was blood; if it was semen, longer. Depending on the environmental conditions, it would depend on whether it was raining, it would depend on how hot it was. You can think of it in terms of this: if you can spoil food, the conditions which will spoil food and make it unsuitable for eating, will also spoil DNA, because DNA after all, is a biological entity and will degrade just the same as all other biogical entities. So if ever you freeze food, it will last a very long time; if you dry food it will last for a very long time, and that's exactly the same for DNA.

Gerald Tooth: Leo Freeney.

In Perth there were no fresh crime scene samples to be snap frozen in the forensic laboratory.

Both bodies in this case were left exposed to the elements for long periods of time. Nearly eight weeks in Jane Rimmer's case and nearly three in Ciara Glennon's. During both those times it had rained heavily.

The police were not left with much. David Caporn is still putting his faith in DNA, though.

David Caporn: What I can say is that the DNA impact on Macro has been not as significant as it would be in other cases. Now I'm not going to give any more detail than that. I will tell you this, that DNA is certainly the way forward for investigation of this and many other crimes in this part and other parts of the world, this is the way forward, there's no doubt about it.

Gerald Tooth: Did you collect DNA evidence from the crime scenes that could be used to identify the killer?

David Caporn: Obviously I can't go down that path. I've never said what we did or didn't obtain from the crime scenes. What I have said, and I'll confirm it now, is that they weren't the most prolific crime scenes as far as evidence goes. That's about as much as I'm going to say.

Gerald Tooth: Why did you take DNA material from your prime suspect and from Perth cabdrivers if you had nothing to test against?

David Caporn: I've never said we had nothing to test against, and I've also never said that we had. Look, I mean the bottom line is that we're not trying to be cute, the fact is that when we go down the path of investigating a serial crime we're not only dealing with crimes in the past, but the possibility of crimes in the future. When you're dealing with a serial case, it's a little different from a case where you've got a one hour investigation, it's a live happening thing, and you've not only got to prepare yourself for what's happening behind you, but what might happen in front of you.

Gerald Tooth: In other words, the West Australian Police, having obtained DNA profiles from those who volunteered samples for the purpose of clearing their names, are holding on to them for an entirely different purpose. That is, for identification in any future murder.

Meanwhile the cab drivers and Lance wait in anticipation that their names will be cleared. Unless there is another murder it could be a long wait.

Terry O'Gorman again.

Terry O'Gorman: On the information that's been publicly revealed, there's a very strong suspicion that there is no scene DNA, that is, there's no DNA left at the scene of the crime, against which samples that are collected from the target or from various cabbies, can be tested. Now if that's the case, then the whole DNA-gathering exercise has no criminal investigation value, and again, is an exercise in hype and is an exercise in hype whose end result again causes significant difficulties either for the particular target who has been the subject of extraordinary police dubious practices, or for some other person who's eventually charged.

Gerald Tooth: Terry O'Gorman.

In Perth, Dennis Glennon, a scientist himself, would like nothing more than some scientific certainty in the hunt for his daughter's killer. He though, after careful examination of the process, has come to his own conclusions about the perceived certainties of DNA testing.

Dennis Glennon: I think that it can be a very powerful tool if used correctly. And that is the essence of it, if it's used correctly. Now there may be a perception in some parts of the Australian public or community, that DNA is going to be the 21st century tool that'll solve all crimes, that perception of it is there. It's clearly misplaced. It's incorrect.

Gerald Tooth: Again, the Secure Community Foundation played a role in this aspect of the investigation. The Foundation spent around a quarter of a million dollars upgrading Perth's Forensic Laboratory, the Path Centre, where DNA profiling is done. Most of that money was spent on two state-of-the-art genetic analysers.

It's four years since the Macro task force was set up. The task force that investigated the backpacker murders arrested Ivan Milat after eight months.

Macro, with no arrest, is being steadily wound down. From a peak of around 80 there are currently just eight officers working on the case full-time.

Superintendent David Caporn stresses that the investigation itself will never end until there is a conviction.
Lance meanwhile continues to go to work each day, but says he never goes out at night any more. He says he hasn't spoken with police in the last six months and that he's glad the overt surveillance has stopped.

Dennis Glennon continues his work as a high profile environmental scientist and in his own time helps others who have had to confront major traumas in their lives.

Dennis Glennon: If this is successful and indeed whether it is or is not successful, by that I mean a successful outcome to the murders, then I would see the model of the Foundation that's been used here as one that could be beneficial for use in other States in Australia. Now that's all good. I know you would probably return that it hasn't produced results. My answer to that is, yet.... yet.

THEME

Gerald Tooth: Co-ordinating Producer, Linda Mcginness; Research, Sue Short; Technical Producer, Colin Preston; Executive Producer, Kirsten Garrett; I'm Gerald Tooth, and you've been listening to Background Briefing.

Search for Serial Killer Going Nowhere

article in The Age newspaper, March 2000

http://www.theage.com.au/news/20000318/A15612-2000Mar17.html




Extract from Hansard -  [ASSEMBLY - Thursday, 27 November 2008]

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Mr John Quigley;

 Acting Speaker;

 Ms Alannah MacTiernan;

Dr Kim Hames

[1] ADDRESS-IN-REPLY Motion Resumed from an earlier stage of the sitting.

 MR J.R. QUIGLEY (Mindarie) [11.44 am]: In my Address-in-Reply speech I wish to touch on law and order and justice issues particular to my electorate but also of relevance to the whole state of Western Australia. There has been some publicity of recent times concerning a confrontation between me and certain corrupt police officers. The Premier laughed. Of course, the Premier understands that my family was a victim of attack. The Premier understands that my family was a victim of crime, and I was a victim of that crime as a result of my performance as a parliamentarian. Whilst I have been ragged a bit — Mr M.J. Cowper interjected.

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: Could that copper from Australind just bail out of this argument for a while. Mr M.J. Cowper: What evidence? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: That copper from Australind is going off again—lazy man. I was under attack. That former policeman from Australind has never said one thing about me being a victim of crime, and has not spoken out against the criminals —

The ACTING SPEAKER (Mr J.M. Francis): Order, member for Mindarie! I ask the member to refer to other members in the house by their seat, in accordance with the standing orders. Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: The member for Murray, being a former policeman, has not expressed —

 Point of Order Mr M.J. COWPER: My point of order is that my title is member for Murray-Wellington. The ACTING SPEAKER: There is no point of order. Debate Resumed

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: The member for Murray-Wellington, that former policeman, has never spoken one word of criticism against the criminals who attacked my family home. All he has done is come into this chamber and rag me. That is all he has done. He is as useless in here as he was in Australind. Following this attack, I was very privileged to receive—I am very grateful for this—communications from the Commissioner of Police over the past week and from the president of the Western Australian Police Union. One of the concerns in my electorate, as the member for Wanneroo knows, was the review by the police service of the Two Rocks Police Station. As I have said on a previous occasion, the member for Wanneroo was present at a public meeting in Two Rocks when this issue was raised and the concerns were raised. Since that time, it is to the Commissioner of Police’s lasting credit that he personally travelled to Two Rocks and, after looking at Two Rocks and Yanchep, paid me the courtesy of a visit at my electorate office to personally reassure me of his commitment to maintain a police station in the Yanchep-Two Rocks locality. It was a very cordial meeting, and a range of matters were discussed. I have also received a number of phone calls from the president of the Police Union over the confrontation I have had with corrupt elements within the police service. They have been very, very fruitful discussions. They asked me why I said there were corrupt elements in the police service, and I said, “Well, I can prove it by documents.” I took them, as I will take the chamber, to a document, being a report written about me and carried in “InsideCover” on 18 October 2006. I will read it. The corrupt officer, who was a gutless corrupt officer because he would not put his name in the newspaper—he went by the pseudonym of Doyle—was criticising the Corruption and Crime Commission, and in the process said that there is no way that the police would trust the CCC, but he went on to say — Doyle claims that two years ago police handed the CCC a file about a serving member of Parliament. It is alleged that the pollie made threats to a third party. “When the file was handed to the CCC, it was at the stage where all that was required was a few people to be interviewed, a few facts firmed up — Whatever that means — and a politician interviewed and charged,” … We know at the time that this corrupt police officer was speaking to The West Australian, the police had already been informed on two separate occasions by none less than the Director of Public Prosecutions of Western Australia that there was no charge to lay. I am sure that the member for Murray-Wellington would agree with me when I say that this was a blatant act of corruption practised against a member of Parliament by a serving police officer. The serving police officer would have had to be one of about five officers who were involved in the corrupt investigation of me on the false allegation that I had committed some offence. As I said, the police had already been told by the DPP that there was no offence to prosecute. Some police want to drag the state of Western Australia into a police state where police can go to the newspaper or any other media outlet and convict anyone that they cannot convict in a court, and destroy their life. This incident did great damage to me and to my family, including my late father, who had to read about it in the paper in 1991. He freaked out that his son was about to be charged. I assured him that there was no offence and another corrupt copper was using the media, as they do in a totalitarian society, to destroy people without any evidence. Another case of that happening involved Andrew Mallard, who was a vulnerable mental patient when the police found him in a mental hospital. The police went on TV and announced that they had got the murderer. We all know now that the person who led that investigation, Caporn, on the finding of the CCC, had nothing or very little and had altered the evidence. He went to witnesses and had them alter their statements, went to the forensic laboratories of Western Australia and had them alter a forensic report and had what is described in this document as “a few facts firmed up”. That is what the police were doing in the Mallard case and what they were going to do to me. They wanted to firm up a few facts, for which we should read “build a false case”. I have given this document to the Commissioner of Police and to the investigating officers. Actually, I did not hand it to Dr O’Callaghan when he came to my office last Friday; I referred him to it. I had given copies to the investigating officers and said, “If you want to find out who put the words ‘child molester’ on my front wall, it was not someone just walking down West Coast Drive, because they went to another street, found my boat and put the same defamatory words on that. It would have to be someone who had access to numberplates and registration details to know who owned that boat; that corrupt no-good copper Doyle or his mates.” I have the privilege of standing in this place and exercising privilege on behalf of the community. There is a wider issue here. A corrupt rogue element exists within the Western Australia Police force. That is beyond doubt. I have shown members the documents. It was an act of blatant corruption. If it was practised against anyone in this chamber, no matter where they sat in relation to the Speaker, I would be just as livid. I am glad it happened to me because at least I have the wherewithal to stand up to the police. As I said to these corrupt coppers on TV, I am no lay-down Sally. We learnt at Aquinas to row out the full 2 000 metres. I am not going to cave in from all this. I will now turn to more hapless people who have been the victims of this rogue element within the police force that is now trying its best to pull us into a state in Western Australia where the police rule that allegation equals conviction and destruction of families. I noticed in media reports last night and today that Lance is no longer the principal suspect in the macro investigation. How could this be? Mr J.E. McGrath: It should never have happened that they named suspects without any proper … Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: I agree. It presents a big challenge to this government. There is a reef of corruption within the police force. Not all police are corrupt. I have publicly apologised. In my anger after my house was defaced, I used language that was too wide and criticised all police. Of course I do not feel that way about all police. I have a lot of friends who are police and who are supporting me at the moment. They are ringing me and offering me support against the corrupt element that exists within their own service. I will take the example of Lance, the man mentioned in the macro case. I spoke to Lance’s father moments before standing to speak in this place. I was given his telephone number by Channel Nine. I did not want to come into this chamber relying on a media organisation for the facts before making a speech in this Parliament. Lance’s father told me that the police assured the father that they did not suspect the son of murder, the major crime attended upon him recently. It is no coincidence that the principal investigating officer of that case is the person who locked up Mallard—Caporn.

The ACTING SPEAKER (Mr J.M. Francis): I take this opportunity to remind the member for Mindarie that while he is obviously protected under parliamentary privilege, I just want to caution him of the consequences of naming people in this Parliament when they are not able to come back here and defend themselves. I am not stopping the member; I am just reminding him. Mr C.C. Porter: Member, just with respect to the Claremont serial killer suspect, was it not the case that the publication of that occurred via a media outlet rather than by the police?

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: In 1998-99 that peanut Falconer, that little turnip from Victoria, who had been given the job as Commissioner of Police, together with Caporn said, “He’s the man.” I will continue if I may. The police absolutely convicted Lance in the pages of The West Australian. A decade later it has come out that the police do not believe he is the prime suspect. They advanced that finding on the basis that Lance had failed a lie detector test. They kept from the media and from the press benches the fact that 12 other persons of interest had failed the lie detector test as well because that did not suit their story against Lance. It is absolutely shameful. The police had all of Perth believing that Lance was the murderer. They destroyed his life just as they destroyed Mallard’s life. It is no coincidence that after locking up Mallard within two weeks of the death of Mrs Lawrence, Caporn was considered the whiz-kid. They sacked a real copper from macro, Detective Sergeant Paul Ferguson, who the member for Murray-Wellington would vouchsafe is a real copper, and put on this impostor who said, “Lance is the man.” Because of his capacity to solve difficult murder cases, he rocketed up through the police force to the rank of assistant commissioner and was eventually in charge of terrorism laws. God help us all that a person such as that could be put in charge! He does not even have the confidence of the Commissioner of Police to have his contract renewed to be an assistant commissioner. That is foreclosing on other consequences he might face. This would never have been exposed had it not been for the decision of the former Attorney General to grant the petition for Mallard to let the matter be litigated before the court. The Attorney General will soon receive a petition from another person who was convicted of murder after a Caporn investigation. I am referring to Gary White, who was convicted of the murder of Anthony Tapley from DNA evidence and statements gathered by David Caporn. We read in The Sunday Times last week that a new DNA expert from Britain has come forward and said that the DNA results that were presented to the jury in White’s case, when read properly, did not even provide evidence that it was the deceased’s DNA. This was kept from the jury. This presents an interesting challenge for the Attorney General, to see whether he does what the former Attorney General did, which was to send it off to the Court of Appeal to let the Court of Appeal decide, or whether the current Attorney General adopts the position adopted by the last conservative Attorney General, Hon Peter Foss, QC, when he knocked back Mallard’s petition and said, “Back to jail for the rest of your life, Mallard.” I hope that when the White petition comes forward to the Attorney General he, having spoken to senior practitioners in this city, gives it due consideration, and finds that it meets with his favour and is not struck down. I appreciate that the current Attorney General comes to this Parliament with a high reputation for integrity and legal knowledge, but he is burdened somewhat by conflict because he comes from the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions: the same DPP, whilst he was in the employment of the office, who went down and opposed these appeals and opposed White’s application for leave to the High Court. It might be seen in some quarters, unfortunately, that if White’s petition were to be rejected by the Attorney General, that this might be some sort of cover-up on behalf of the office of the DPP in not wanting this matter to go forward to be reviewed by the Court of Appeal because it involved work colleagues of the Attorney General.

Mr C.J. Barnett: That is an appalling claim. The member is a disgrace!

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: I have not accused him of doing anything wrong, but alerting this chamber — Mr C.J. Barnett: The member has! Too smart, all innuendo.

 The ACTING SPEAKER (Mr J.M. Francis): I will repeat the caution again, member for Mindarie, that while you are protected by privilege, some people that you may refer to may not be able to come back into this chamber and defend themselves. I am not stopping the member, I am just cautioning him.

 Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: I thank the Acting Speaker for not stopping me. Mr C.C. Porter: Does the member for Mindarie take interjections?

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: I am not taking interjections now, I have only got about five minutes to go. The minister will interject anyway. Those people that I am talking about are in the chamber and are able to comment. It is a challenging situation for the Attorney General; one that I am sure he will put his mind to. I hope that this matter is referred to the Court of Appeal because this conviction is of great concern to the defence bar of Western Australia, although I understand it is of no concern whatsoever to the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions, which has steadfastly, as it did in Mallard’s case, sought to hold the conviction and keep the innocent Mallard in jail. The office of the DPP, by its actions, managed to extend Mallard’s unfair term of imprisonment by a number of years—at least four. The government of the day, including the Premier and the minister, have a challenge before them. It is beyond reasonable doubt on the evidence—at least from what is in “InsideCover”, taken at its lowest—that there is a reef of corrupt officers running through the police force. That is unsurprising. [Member’s time extended.]

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: When an officer—as lowly as he was; a detective sergeant—starts rocketing up through the police force on the basis of dud investigations, he does not do it by himself. He has to have a team around him and, as he goes forward, that team gets promoted as well. So it is unsurprising that they end up with a little cluster or a reef of corrupt officers around them who knew if they followed and supported Caporn, their careers  would elevate and they too would go up in the vortex. There is a challenge for the Commissioner of Police to root these corrupt friends of Caporn right out of the police force. It is going to be very hard. In relation to Doyle, what does the Commissioner of Police do?

 We know it is an attack upon a member of Parliament and I know that members opposite do not care because it is only me, but do not forget what they say: first they came for Quigley and I did not speak up, and then they came for me, Quigley, and no-one spoke up for me! He was speaking about the Jews at the time. This is absolutely the soft edge, where the encroaching police state starts to go. The media have a responsibility in this, too. I understand that the Attorney General has under consideration whistleblower legislation in the form of shield laws. I will make one point in relation to these shield laws

. Staff from various media outlets in this city know that in principle I support shield laws. I think at times the media are some of the best people to ferret out information—information that public officials would like to keep from the public.

 They are very good at that, but if there were no shield laws, journalists would be exposed. In this particular case, Mr Morfesse wrote this article about me—there is no doubt it was about me—and the next day, the crime reporter Sean Cowan came to this Parliament and put to me that it was me and that they knew it was me. He then published an article the day after this happened. Fair enough, because if this was true and there were agencies, either the Director of Public Prosecutions or the Corruption and Crime Commission, corruptly protecting Quigley from a prosecution he deserved, then it was the right place for the paper to put it out on the table. Now The West Australian is in possession of further facts. The West Australian newspaper, its editor Mr Armstrong and its reporter Mr Morfesse, now know that they have been lied to by Doyle—their secret source. They now know that, by the time Doyle spoke to them accusing a member of Parliament of a criminal offence, the police themselves had been told by the DPP there had been no offence. Doyle did not tell The West Australian that. Doyle was intent on using The West Australian against a member of Parliament for the corrupt police officer’s own purposes. That is evidence of a police state. That is evidence that when a policeman can anonymously go to a media organisation—it could happen to any member—and tell a lie like this, that you are guilty of a criminal offence but no-one will prosecute you, that is evidence of a police state. Investigator, judge and jury—that is how Doyle casts himself.

 The West has now got a challenge before it. Is The West Australian going to protect a corrupt police officer? Is the family newspaper going to protect Doyle? Doyle attacked me and my family. Is The West Australian—which holds itself out as the family newspaper—going to protect Doyle’s identity? I can see the member for MurrayWellington shaking his head. The last thing he wants is The West Australian to give up the corrupt officer. The parliamentary secretary for police wants that corrupt officer protected. That is the state this democracy has come to. Look at the member for Murray-Wellington shaking his head, wearing his police badge on his lapel. He is not here as the member for Murray-Wellington; his main concern is to make sure that Doyle’s identity is never flushed out, that one of his mates is never brought to account. That is his concern. His concern was not that Rowtcliff was a corrupt officer, walking around Fremantle assisting Mallard to take drugs; his concern was that Rowtcliff was flushed out. That was his concern and that was his criticism of me because I flushed out a corrupt officer. He forgets to tell this chamber that before I did that I rang the DPP, Robert Cock, QC, and arranged a certificate of immunity for him. I rang Mr Michael Bowden, who was a defence solicitor at the time, before he was a judge, and arranged representation for him and I rang the police union to make sure the funding would flow through to Mr Bowden so that Mr Bowden could accompany Rowtcliff to the police royal commission and tell the truth. If he had told the truth and had not been corrupt, Mr Mallard would have been spared four years’ imprisonment. I did everything I could to look after Mr Rowtcliff in the sense of allowing him to tell the truth without exposing himself to prosecution; in other words, allowing the truth to come out to facilitate the release of a person who was 12 years into a 30-year prison term and who was not eligible for parole. He was not eligible for parole because he would not recant and admit the crime, and he would not go on the violent offenders program. Because he would not admit the crime and go on the violent offenders program, they took him to Graylands Hospital, put him in a straitjacket and injected him with psychotropic drugs. I asked Andrew when everything turned for him. He replied that it was when he was in Graylands Hospital in a straitjacket. He had been injected and he caught a glimpse of himself in the mirror with saliva dribbling down his chin and thought, “I’m going to die in here.” That was when it all changed for him. The Attorney General should bear this in mind when he is arranging compensation. I had dinner last night with one of Perth’s leading personal injury lawyers, who practises in both the Court of Appeal and the High Court. He assured me that because of the way the writ is pleaded, Andrew is entitled to a civil jury, which could strike the damages in this case. I will be very interested to see, after the trial with a civil jury, whether the average person in Perth agrees with me that Andrew Mallard is entitled to $10 million for the destruction of his life, and that Lance is entitled to compensation for what the police have done to him and his family. They tore up his backyard, searched for DNA and went to the media saying that Lance was the murderer. They then went quietly to his parents in November 2008 to say, “We’ve looked into this further and we’re satisfied as to his alibis. We think he’s a bit weird and his behaviour is unusual, but we’re satisfied that he’s not the murderer.” What has happened? We have a corrupt police officer running his own agenda, convicting people in the media and destroying families, and because of his success in doing this, he is promoted! They sacked Paul Ferguson. Does the member for Murray-Wellington know Detective Sergeant Paul Ferguson? He is a fine police officer. I know him, his family and all his history. He is a fine police officer, but he was sacked from the case because he was not advancing the case quickly enough. They wanted a quick result, and this Caporn chappie had got a quick result in the Mallard case, so they sooled him onto this case to sink Lance. They could not convict him in court, so they convicted him in the media. I do not know any more about the facts behind Mrs Rayney’s death than anyone else in this house. I am not any better informed, but I do know that what the police did was damnable. It was the same form again. They did what they did to Lance and Mallard. They announced that Mr Rayney was the prime and only suspect.

Mr M.J. Cowper: I will send out 4 500 DVD copies of your speech.

 Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: Good! The member for Murray-Wellington wants to send them out, because the people he wants to read that speech are the coppers who were involved in defacing my home, and he wants to ginger them up to do it again! What word of criticism has the member for Murray-Wellington spoken against those foul coppers who put Andrew Mallard away for life? Not one little whisper in this chamber. What word has he spoken against those criminals who graffitied my house—those mongrels who painted “child molester” so that my wife and children would read it in the morning? What word of criticism? Mr R.F. Johnson: Are you accusing police officers of doing that? Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: Absolutely! The minister has woken up—Doyle and his mates. They did not graffiti my wall on this occasion, they graffitied my name and reputation in The West Australian. What is the Minister for Police doing about it? Has he asked the Commissioner of Police what he has done to investigate the identity of Doyle?

Mr M.J. Cowper: Tell us who Doyle is.

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: The member is the former copper; he is one of his mates. He should ask him. The Minister for Police should ask who this corrupt copper is.

The ACTING SPEAKER (Ms L.L. Baker): Order! Members should be careful.

Mr R.F. Johnson: Will you take an interjection, member?

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: With two minutes to go, I will take it in the bar. The member is the Minister for Police. I can take it in the bar, because fortunately the bar is still open.

 Mr R.F. Johnson: If you truly believe this, have the guts to go outside and repeat everything you have said in this chamber.

Mr J.R. QUIGLEY: That is exactly what I was challenged to do after I made the Mallard speech. The Commissioner of Police challenged me to debate it on the steps of Parliament. I recently asked him whether he still wanted to debate the Mallard case on the steps of Parliament, and he said, “No, thanks very much.” He no longer wants to debate the performance of the police in the Mallard case on the steps of Parliament, but before he found out the truth about it, he wanted a debate. I have a lot of sympathy for the Commissioner of Police because he has around him a number of corrupt officers who are ill-informing and ill-advising him. That is why he ended up in such a puddle, standing down Caporn, bringing him back and standing him down again. He was receiving dud advice; they were lying to him. What did the Minister for Police do to protect a member of Parliament against defamation by a certain police officer? Nothing. He is a typical conservative who says, “Support the gendarmes at any cost, and lock up the poor.” Several members interjected.

MS A.J.G. MacTIERNAN (Armadale) [12.16 pm]: It is very hard to follow such a stellar performance. I want to take an opportunity that I have not had for the past eight years to talk a little about my electorate and particularly to raise an issue that, although it will not be presented with the full drama of the member for Mindarie’s speech, I nevertheless feel equally passionate about, and that is the plight of many young children in my electorate

. I first take the opportunity to thank the people of Armadale for their support. I have always taken my role as member for Armadale very much as a sacred duty to represent the people of Armadale and to ensure that they get their fair share of the state’s resources. I have worked very hard to discharge that obligation. I am very pleased that we have, during our seven and a half years in government, been able to reverse the past neglect of the lower end of the south east corridor. We have rebuilt pride and confidence in the community there, along with the infrastructure improvements that we have made.

 I sincerely hope that the projects we have put in place will continue to attract funding from the state government. I am sure the state government will continue with the Armadale Redevelopment Authority, but that will only be meaningful if the Armadale Redevelopment Authority receives a reasonable level of funding to enable it to undertake the projects that are necessary for the social transformation of the area. I want also to thank “Team Armadale”. The member for Collie-Preston spoke well on the issue of electorate officers, the work that they do for members, and how crucial they are to the success of members of Parliament. I have a tremendous team in Judith Lewis, Tina White and Roma Jeffrey. They have all been with me for the past eight years, and Roma has been a volunteer with us for more than 15 years.

 It is a fantastic group of electorate officers. Also our local Australian Labor Party branch is brilliant, led very ably by Tony Buti and Cath Coulthard—people who really believe in the Labor agenda and are prepared to get out and ensure that our message is delivered. Of course, we achieved a very good result. We have managed at each election to increase our margin. Even in the adverse circumstances of the last election we were able to get something of a swing to Labor. That was very pleasing and I thank all those people in “Team Armadale” for their contribution. The issues I want to raise today go fundamentally to the need for an improvement in educational outcomes in my electorate. In the first instance, I want to thank the previous Minister for Education and Training and the interest he showed in our schools and the commitments we were able to get for some of the capital upgrades that were needed. In light of the election commitments made by the current government there is grave concern that we will not get a fair and rational spread of investment in infrastructure for our schools. I think it is time we looked at a way of ensuring that some kind of objective process guides the investment into physical infrastructure of schools. In areas that are seen to be safe seats, it is sometimes very difficult for those areas to be necessarily given the attention they should get for those capital programs. It is a debate that we need to have. How do we ensure there is a proper, rational and fair allocation of that education infrastructure dollar across the state and that it not be directed towards achieving electoral outcomes? Mr C.J. Barnett: I take your point, but the history of education ministers from both sides of politics has actually been very fair in the way it has been done.

Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN: I am not saying it is absolutely outrageous, but I do say that I do not believe that it is as even-handed as it should be, particularly in areas in which parents perhaps lack the mobilising capacity that people in more middle class areas have. They lack confidence and, indeed, even lack the knowledge of just what is being delivered elsewhere. Those people do not agitate with the same vigour as others because they may not even be aware of how badly they are doing vis-a-vis other areas, so they do not get the attention they deserve. Obviously, it is part of the role of the local member to drive that, but there is an inequality in the capacity of those communities to agitate on their own behalf. That indicates to me the importance of undertaking an analysis of this. I would be very interested if, indeed, the education committee would like to take up the prospect of looking at how we can determine a very fair process so that the infrastructure investment is actually made on need and not electoral advantage. The second issue is the fact that we have not in any serious way, at either a state or federal government level, come to terms with what we must do to overcome disadvantage to deal with the chronic, now becoming intergenerational, problems that are occurring in many communities. The science is absolutely clear on this. Whether we read Fiona Stanley’s book, watch the excellent program on the ABC, Life at Three, read J. Fraser Mustard’s work or any other neurological research, it is absolutely crystal clear that by the age of three years the neural architecture of a child is set. This affects the child’s capacity to learn and to integrate into society. Longterm health studies have been undertaken. A very interesting American paediatrician was brought to WA by Parkerville Homes a couple of weeks ago. His view was that the setting of the neural architecture has major health impacts 50 years later. Incidents of type-2 diabetes, obesity, hypertension et cetera are all linked to poor early development. Most critically and most urgently, what is very evident—it is happening in schools in my electorate—children aged 4, 5 or 6, many of whom do not attend the preschool programs, do not know basic words. Forget not having a book read to them, they cannot even do basic preschool exercises such as following instructions to put their hands on their shoulders, on their heads et cetera because, although they have not been born with an intellectual disability, they have not acquired the basic rudiments of language. The figures are absolutely horrific. In some schools in my electorate, more than 50 per cent of the students require speech therapy. What is going on here? There will always be students who require speech therapy for a range of reasons, but when in some schools more than 50 per cent of students require speech therapy, we know that something is going wrong. Mr C.J. Barnett: I do not think you are suggesting it, but that is not necessarily related to the school problem.

Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN: It affects the school. Mr C.J. Barnett: It affects learning. Ms A.J.G.

MacTIERNAN: I am saying this is what happens when children present at the school. Mr C.J. Barnett: Yes; I agree.

 Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN: This is what teachers are trying to deal with. Mr C.J. Barnett: Okay. Ms A.J.G.

 MacTIERNAN: As I say, there are some absolutely brilliant teachers who are extremely committed. Some schools in my electorate are difficult-to-staff schools. However, some teachers have stayed there for up to 20 years and longer because they will not leave these kids. They know how critical their role is. They could go and teach at a school in a leafy green suburb but they do not; they want to stay and assist. There is no issue about whether there is lack of capacity among the teachers. I acknowledge that the member for Willagee, when he was education minister, and the previous education minister, the member for Rockingham, invested program money into our schools. Lots of new programs were developed such as behaviour management programs and the Getting it Right programs, but they are having very marginal effects on many of these children because by the time they are necessary, it is too late; by the time they come to school the damage has been done. The Western Australian Literacy and Numeracy Assessment results are showing that the increment of improvement is extremely small. An enormous effort is being made, but we are making it too late. The die is cast for many of these children. Notwithstanding a great resource being invested, it is not achieving very useful results. We know that; we keep doing studies, and we are indexing. People in my electorate are being indexed all the time. The Australian Early Development Index, which was a major index program, was undertaken based on children who actually presented at preschool at four years of age, so even that was a biased sample—probably positively biased—because it tested only kids who actually turned up at the non-compulsory year of school. They did these assessments and found that 40 per cent of the students in the Armadale area are developmentally vulnerable in one or more of the key areas: physical, health and wellbeing, social competence, emotional maturity, and language and cognitive development. The results indicated that 20 per cent of students were vulnerable in the language and cognitive domain area, with a number of suburbs in Armadale having absolutely no children assessed as performing well. This is a major social problem. We are allowing an intergenerational disadvantage to emerge. Whichever party is in government will have to try to deal with children who will be angry and underachieving. These children will grow up to become those who create vexation on our trains; they will be more likely to be involved in antisocial behaviour across the community. They will be far more likely to become welfare dependent, and then lack the skills to ensure that their own children have a chance to at least get to the first rung on the ladder of opportunity. All this indexing was done by the commonwealth government, and there will be another round of indexing soon, with more studies. The member for Nollamara spoke about the Communities for Children program. Because the results in Armadale indicated such a large problem, one of the centres offering this program was based in Armadale. The program has had some good aspects: there were some good Indigenous programs, and speech therapy was provided, which has been very useful. However, overall the program was bitsy. A six-week program in reading at the Armadale library will not deal with the sort of problems we are talking about; only the children whose parents understand the need for reading competence will participate. We are dealing with bigger problems than this. It is not that these parents are necessarily irresponsible or neglectful, or do not want to do something for their children; the problem is that the children are not getting what they need, whatever the reason. In some cases, there have been stolen generation issues, as a result of which the basic skills are not there. Many of us presume that these basic parenting skills are innate. I used to think that parenting skills are of a similar kind to beavers building dams—people are just born knowing how to do it—but that is not the case, apparently. Obviously, drugs are a major issue for many families. We should not discount the impact of television, and what happens when children are parked in front of the television. Some people think that just because the program is Sesame Street or The Wiggles it will somehow be educational, but if children are not actually spoken to, they cannot form words. It is unbelievable to see the number of children turning up at school who do not know colours. [Member’s time extended.]

 Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN: There was a recognition under the Howard government that this was a problem, and a program was put in place. The state government also had some early years programs. However, they are not big enough, and they are haphazard. They are here for a short time—maybe six months—but something far more coherent than this is required. We do not allow hit and miss with education. Once the children are aged five, we provide a fantastic infrastructure for them, and we do not just leave education to haphazard grants of money. However, in the areas where this critical need exists, the response from both federal and state governments has been inadequate to deal with the problem. In my assessment, from talking to the teachers, this problem is getting worse. Teachers are seeing these children more frequently. We know from the WALNA results that the impact of Communities for Children in the Armadale area has not really changed anything very much. We can do much better, and this is what I am deeply concerned about. All the authorities agree—Fiona Stanley, J. Fraser Mustard, and the fabulous teachers at Challis Primary School. I acknowledge the work of Lee Musumeci, Noel Strickland, Louise O’Donovan, and all the team at Challis, because they took the initiative some years ago. Even though there is no formal Department of Education and Training requirement to provide this service, they said that was ridiculous and decided to set up a program for children aged 0-3. It was not their core business, but they decided it had to be done. The member for Rockingham, when he was the minister, came to the school on a couple of occasions to look at the program. Hon Sue Ellery, the former Minister for Child Protection, also came to the school. Both of these ministers provided support for the program on an interim basis. My greatest sadness resulting from Labor losing the election was that we had just geared up our ministers to recognise that this program now had to be funded on a solid and permanent basis. I have written to the new Minister for Education. I know that she has been to see the schools in the electorate of the member for Alfred Cove, which I am sure are nowhere near as needy as those in my electorate, but I am hoping that one day I will get her to cross the Rubicon and come and have a look at the work that is going on at Challis Primary School.

Dr K.D. Hames: I had a similar problem trying to get the previous minister to come to Dawesville.

Mr M. McGowan: I only opened a new school for you.

Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN: I am sorry, members, I only have a little time, much as I like banter. This must be a priority issue for the government. The Minister for Police is all for building more jails and getting more cops, but we know that we have to deal with the problem at the beginning. We know what happens to these vulnerable children. We know that by the age of three they will be in a state in which they will find social and intellectual development very difficult. The model set up at Challis Primary School, as an initiative of these fantastic teachers, is to have a 0-3 program, and the parents must be involved. Part of this program must be teaching parents and ensuring that they can acquire the necessary parenting skills. We have managed to obtain assistance from both the government and the private sector to enable parents to be brought into the school and participate in playgroups. In those playgroups, the parents learn how to pass on language to a child—how to encourage a child to speak, make sounds and form words. They have other programs to bring Indigenous families in as groups to the school, and the school-aged children mentor the younger children in the early years program. This also helps those older children develop responsibilities. We know that this is what must be done, and that it produces results. Much better work has been done in this area in other states. Queensland has a number of these early childhood centres, and some spectacular work has been done in South Australia. We know that we must try to get these families as early as possible. I strongly believe in and totally support the Rudd government’s decision to break up baby bonus payments because of the many issues that surround it. Those of us who represent certain electorates understand the baby bonus and what happens to it. One way to make the baby bonus a really positive thing is to make it a requirement for people to attend a total of five antenatal or neonatal classes in order to receive the baby bonus. The government would in effect be saying, “We are rewarding you for being good parents; but to get that reward you must come along to a class.” Different programs will be appropriate for different people and I am sure that there would be — Dr K.D. Hames: It is a good idea. I hope you can secure it with the federal government.

Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN: Yes; I am seriously advocating that because I think it absolutely essential to make sure the baby bonus works positively. It will also, at the earliest opportunity, allow us to determine which parents may be vulnerable. Probably ninety per cent of the population will be able to manage zero to three-year olds without help. I am not sure if the member for Nollamara made this point or if another member made it, but many women now have their first babies in their mid to late thirties and the presumption is that these successful professional women will be able to do so with no problem. However, the need to provide assistance to these women is an emerging trend. Programs in place when I had my children ensured that new mothers were visited by a child health nurse during their first week at home with their baby. That visit not only provided another opportunity to give new mothers advice, but also alerted the relevant agencies about potential problems or vulnerabilities. It was a grave mistake to let that program decline. Ultimately, this will cost money, but the rewards will be there pretty quickly. We will see children performing much better at school thereby reducing the amount of effort that we have to put in to make the otherwise very small incremental improvements in the education product. In an area like Armadale the education offered to children in schools in which there is a substantial number of children who experience learning difficulties is compromised. It is critical that we admit to the seriousness of this issue and build on the work of the commonwealth and indeed, the work the state is doing through school testing. We have to build on the work of the Australian Early Development Index Study, identify Extract from Hansard [ASSEMBLY - Thursday, 27 November 2008] p631b-640a Mr John Quigley; Acting Speaker; Ms Alannah MacTiernan; Dr Kim Hames [9] these vulnerable areas and put in place programs that are not mickey mouse in nature; that is, here one day and not the next. We have to consider if non-government organisations are the right organisations to deliver the programs. We have to consider if these programs should be located in schools even if they are delivered by an NGO. We need to “de-welfarise” these programs and remove all possible stigmas associated with these program centres. We need to ensure that a process is in place whereby we identify and encourage parents to learn or rebuild their parenting skills so that their children have a decent opportunity. I will endeavour to advance the case for these programs. I have brought everyone possible out to my electorate to visit Challis Primary School. I note a very excellent article by Michelle Scott, the Commissioner for Children who —

 Dr K.D. Hames: A double superlative.

 Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN: Sorry, member?

Dr K.D. Hames: “Very excellent” is a double superlative—I am sorry, my remarks were not meant for the Hansard record. It was —

Ms A.J.G. MacTIERNAN: Language changes! I think “very excellent” is a perfectly descriptive conjunction of adjective and adverb and it is one that I will continue to use! That “very excellent” article—there are grades within excellence—demonstrates the commissioner’s profound understanding of these issues. Given how clear the science is, I believe that our failure to act on these matters amounts to neglect of these vulnerable children. It is all very well to be spending our time talking about wards of the state; it is not all about wards of the state. A lot of children need our help. Many parents need our help. We know that it is too late if we do not provide assistance until a child has started school. I am concerned that the federal government program—dubbed early learning centres—focuses on childcare and four-years plus children; those programs will not, in any way, shape or form, deal with the problems. I urge members—I am sure there are members on both sides of the house—who have these issues in their electorate to please get behind this cause. If we can fix these problems, Western Australia will go forward as a much stronger community. We will be dealing with some of those intractable issues such as crime, imprisonment and unemployment, for the benefit of the whole community.

 DR K.D. HAMES (Dawesville — Deputy Premier) [12.46 pm]: As my contribution to the Address-in-Reply debate I seek to now correct something that I said during the member for Cockburn’s grievance instead of making a personal explanation. I think it important for the people represented by the member for Cockburn that I put this on the record now because the information that I was given by the Department of Health was incorrect. During his grievance, I said that the family had been offered a $1 million settlement contract. I have since had the health department contact me saying, “Sorry, it wasn’t $1 million; it was actually in the order of about $300 000.” It is important that I correct the record. The member for Cockburn is not here, but I will let him know about the correction. The supposed rejection of a $1 million settlement reflects very differently on the family than does their rejection of a $300 000 settlement—an amount that probably would not have covered their legal fees let alone come close to the full amount that they were seeking. I am sure that the member for Cockburn will understand my response to the health department: “Thanks very much. I hope that now you will be more sympathetic when it comes to dealing with these people now that you have said something that might potentially embarrass them.” Mr P. Papalia: Are we feeling more sympathetic to the member for Fremantle? Dr K.D. HAMES: Yes, I have some sympathy for the member for Fremantle as the former minister. However, it was an inadvertent error. The person who gave me the advice did not have proper access to the material. The person normally responsible for providing such advice is on holidays and the person who gave me the advice—I do not know where she got it—did her very best to get it for me at short notice. I think it important to take this opportunity to put the correction on record. I wish to address another grievance of mine, although the member for North West has assumed the chair and cannot interject to counter what I might say after my further investigations into some of the things that he said in the chamber. Several members interjected.

Dr K.D. HAMES: My trip to the UK? That is an excellent point given that the Minister for Police is present and that I have not yet had the opportunity to lobby him about a new police station in Dawesville. Under the former Liberal government, Hon Kevin Prince, with the support of the former member, Arthur Marshall, was going to put a police station in Miami. When the last government came in the block purchased for that was sold and the government said it would put extra police in Mandurah. They put some extra police in Mandurah but since then my electorate has grown considerably, particularly in the southern end, and now there is very strong support from the police for a new police station in the Dawesville area. The police have been looking at land in that area so I hope the Minister for Police will consider the lobbying that I am doing on behalf of my electorate. I look with positive inclination towards the budget next year.

 Debate adjourned, pursuant to standing orders.


Mental Health Bill reaches the upper house and Coroner reports on deaths of 10 Graylands Hospital patients

https://www.mhlcwa.org.au/latest-news/mental-health-bill-reaches-the-upper-house-coroner-reports-on-deaths-of-10-graylands-hospital-patients/

 

We note that the Mental Health Bill 2013 has reached debate in the Upper House.

We urge you to read and consider carefully the recent findings of the Coroner about ten deaths of Graylands Hospital patients, and “Professor Stokes (now the Acting Director Of Health) in his 2012 damming report into the practices of WA psychiatric hospitals where in he found  that information management across mental health is a key area for improvement; that there is an absence of a single point of authority with described responsibility for accountability for patient care;  leadership is lacking; relationships within the service is lacking; use of  non-psychiatrist mental health clinicians increases the level of risk to patients, especially where there is the risk of self-harm;  governance is fragmented and variable; there is no articulate Clinical Service Plan for delivering mental health services, and there was no robust uniform clinical accountability across the system. One outcome of the state of the WA mental health services is the deaths of patients, as demonstrated in at least one of the recent Coronial Findings about 10 deaths of Graylands Hospital patients.

At least, we urge you to read of the death of Ms Williams and then consider if the Mental Health Bill has done as much as it can to overcome the impediments to  poor standards of care delivered to these most vulnerable members of our community. Ms Williams was 19 years old.

In my opinion as a Principal Solicitor of the Mental Health Law Centre and ex intensive care charge sister, it is unlikely that Ms Williams would have died as she did, had there been CCTV surveillance of her room. The MHLC has been agitating for CCTV recording (without monitors) in all places of authorised hospitals. Perhaps had the relevant staff been aware of CCTV surveillance, they might have carried out their duties according to an appropriate standard of care to safeguard Ms Williams? The Mental Health Commission and the Minister for Mental Health have refused to introduce this standard into the revised mental health bill currently before the parliament. Furthermore, there are no overarching general civil penalties in the Mental Health Bill for a breaches of a standard of care

We will send you a briefing note to assist you in the Upper House debate in the next day or so.

Antoinette WILLIAMS

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Williams_Antoinette_2014.pdf

Antoinette Williams was a 19 year old aboriginal girl from Broome who died as an involuntary patient at Graylands following a drug overdose administered by hospital staff and the RFDS.

On 10 October and 11 October 2012, Ms Williams presented to Broome Hospital following alleged suicide attempts. She was referred to Graylands Hospital for psychiatric treatment. On a flight with the Royal Flying Doctor Service, Ms Williams was given over double the maximum dosage of haloperidol during the flight. It was thought that Ms William should be admitted to a general hospital because of the overdose but RPH and SCGH were not told of the dosages that Ms Williams had been given and so they refused to admit her.  On admission to Graylands, the receiving psychiatrist did not accept the evidence (wrongly) on the chart of how much haloperidol Ms Williams had been given. Nonetheless, extra monitoring was ordered, but not implemented. Over the course of 17 hours, Ms Williams’s conscious state declined, unobserved. Rigor Mortis had set in before the staff discovered she was dead notwithstanding the order to observe her vital signs every 15 minutes.

Kevin Maxwell COLLINS

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Collins_Kevin_finding_2014.pdf

Mr Collins was a 50 year old man who died at Graylands as an involuntary patient. His cause of death was pandemic influenza A1H1N1 (swine flu), the impact of which was exacerbated by his chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 1986. Mr Collins was a morbidly obese man and a heavy smoker. He was in and out of psychiatric hospital after his 1986 diagnosis, until his final admission in 2010, where he was administered Clozapine. It was known that Mr Collins’ blood oxygen saturation levels were well below normal. His chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, sleep apnoea, obesity, tachycardia and smoking placed him at greater risk from Clozapine’s side-effects than would have been for a patient in better physical health.

Clozapine’s side effects are widely known within the mental health service, and include flu like symptoms, and some psychiatrists do not use Clozapine in certain situations. In Mr Collins’ situation, one psychiatrist did not agree with his treating psychiatrists’ administration of the drug, stating he was afraid of the drug and would not have prescribed it.

Prior to his death, Mr Collins complained of sedation from the drug, but his treating psychiatrist decided to stop other medication and increase his Clozapine intake at a slower rate. On the night of his death, Mr Collins’ condition deteriorated but he was uncooperative as to management of his health. At 4.30am he had a raised temperature at 37.9º (high), low blood pressure at 80/60 (very low), pulse at 88bpm, normal (for the deceased) oxygen saturation at 92% (low) and shallow fast breathing at 66 breaths per minute (extremely fast).38. At 4.40am the deceased stopped breathing and was unable to be resuscitated. Arguably, this respiratory rate should have generated an urgent response to Mr Collins’ condition.

On the basis of the post mortem the Coroner concluded that the cause of death was bronchitis (pandemic influenza A/H1N1 2009) in a man with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

Luke Isaac FORKIN

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Forkin_finding_2014.pdf

Mr Forkin was a 28 year old man who was an involuntary patient at Graylands when he committed suicide on 30 November 2010. Mr Forkin was absence without leave at the time of his death. Mr Forkin first presented in 2005 with suicidal tendencies and auditory hallucinations. He diagnoses included schizophrenia, drug withdrawal, polysubstance abuse, acute mood and behavioural disturbance due to drug use,  antisocial personality traits and finally personality disorders. His treating psychiatrist believed that personality disorder was not a treatable mental illness but the Chief Psychiatrist, Dr Nathan Gibson disagreed.

Nurses at Graylands are required to make entries on specialised forms each time a patient goes on ground access. While it was clear that the deceased went on escorted ground access once in the morning and unescorted ground access twice in the afternoon on 29 November 2010, the only record made related to the first ground access.  It was accepted by the ward co-ordinator responsible for the day shift that the failure to ensure that the records were properly entered was inexplicable and unacceptable. Systemic issues were also notes as to the delay in commencing the AWOL procedure.

Clinicians should not be placed in a conflicted position as a consequence of the requirements of the Mental Health Act 1996. The Coroner found that the provision to clinicians of education about Mental Health Act should occur and noted that the Chief Psychiatrist had developed an orientation and training package to be rolled out in September and October of 2013 for all consultant psychiatrists.

It is to be  hoped that specialist legal input was sought in the development of this package, as it would be from psychiatrists if lawyers were developing a clinician manual.

Tom FOSKI

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Foski_finding_2014.pdf

Mr Foski was a 51 year old man who died as an involuntary patient at Graylands from Congestive heart failure in association with ischaemic and hypertensive heart disease.

Mr Foski first admission to Graylands was in 1986, the 1st of 21 admissions in total. He was first diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder and then schizophrenia, but noting an intellectual impairment. He suffered from polydipsia, which led to hyponatraemia and congestive cardiac failure, which necessitated admissions to general hospitals. There is significant research to show that the physical health of involuntary patients is much lower than in the broader community. Mental health staff are rarely equipped nor trained to deliver complex health care around such risky states as hyponatraemia and CCF. One wonders how often Mr Foski’s polydipsia was reviewed by a specialist as to its cause, and its management by the MHS.

Mr Foski died on 6 May 2012. He had over $60,000 in his bank account that was managed by the Public Trustee. Perhaps this could have been better spent making his long life in Graylands a more comfortable and for ongoing private specialist management of his polydipsia.

Amanda Alison GILBERT

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Gilbert_Amanda_finding_2014.pdf

Amanda Gilbert was a 48 year old woman who died as an involuntary patient at Graylands from Bronchopneumonia, ischaemic heart disease, chronic renal failure and past hypoxic brain injury.

1981-1985  when she was 19yo – 24 yo, Ms Gilbert was in and out of Graylands. She was diagnosed with psychogenic psychosis and anorexia nervosa.

1985 when she was 23 she attempted suicide by hanging, causing an hypoxic brain injury.

1985-1987, she was transferred between Graylands and aged care facilities.

1987 when she was 26 she became a Graylands long term inpatient for the rest of her life, because no services would accept a young person with a brain injury and unmanageable anti-social behaviour.

1987 – 1997 for ten years when she was 25 – 35 years old, she was assaulted frequently and regularly, both physically and sexually. She needed protection, which she did not get until funding was made available.

1997 commencement of funding for one-to-one care, there was a vast improvement in the deceased’s care since the assaults were curtailed and she could be accommodated in an open ward.

1988 prescribed lithium to improve her quality of life.

1993 onwards lithium prescribed continuously. Lithium levels and creatinine levels were monitored for evidence of renal failure.

1997 Graylands records 26 reported incidents of attempted sexual assaults by male patients over a six month period

1998 lithium levels were rising again, so lithium medication was stopped because of risk of renal failure

1998 in August the deceased admitted to Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital with aspiration pneumonia. While there she developed malignant hypertension, acute renal failure and diabetes insipidus. The pneumonia and the hypertension were difficult to control. Both the renal failure and the diabetes insipidus were thought to be caused by lithium.

1998 -2008 the deceased suffered several falls, a number of which required attendance at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital for treatment of injuries.

In 2005 Ms Gilbert’s renal function continued to decline and she was diagnosed with osteoporosis, vitamin D deficiency and hyperparathyroidism secondary to chronic renal failure.

2007 Ms Gilbert’s renal function deteriorated further.

July 2007 the deceased saw renal physician Dr Wai Lim at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital. Dr Lim diagnosed the deceased as suffering from ‘chronic renal impairment secondary to renovascular disease/hypertensive nephrosclerosis +/- lithium toxicity’.

2010 Ms Gilbert died on 22 January from complications of renal failure caused by lithium toxicity after spending more than half of her life at Graylands hospital, where she was regularly physically and sexually assaulted throughout the years.

Ritchie GORDON

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Gordon_Ritchie_finding_2014.pdf

Mr Gordon was a 49 year old aboriginal man who died as an involuntary patient at Graylands whose cause of death was unascertainable. It could have been from an epileptic seizure, cardiac arrhythmia and paralytic ileus/bowel obstruction, which the coroner found to have been from natural causes. Mr Gordon was diagnosed with chronic schizophrenia, organic brain syndrome and alcohol and drug abuse.

1996 to 1998, Mr Gordon was a long term patient at the Graylands Rehabilitation Centre. Mr Gordon 1998 transferred to Sherwood Hostel for 3 years.

2001 in and out of both Graylands and Swan Valley Centre

2002 Mr Gordon developed a protruded abdomen and at times suffered from hyponatraemia from the excessive drinking of water.

2005 Mr Gordon was found dead on the Graylands, Murchison Ward veranda at 10:30pm. He had been dead for a number of hours.

Evidence by a psychiatrist was that the level of nursing staff on Mr Gordon’s ward at the time of his death was the lowest for any inpatient unit in Western Australia. She said that it is difficult to engage in active rehabilitation and take people out into the community with the level of staffing.

Gregory Laurence HUNT

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Hunt_finding_2014.pdf

Mr Hunt was a 53 year old man who died as an involuntary patient at Graylands from suicide by hanging.

1976 diagnosis of Schizophrenia

1976 – 2009 in and out of Graylands over 40 times, numerous suicide attempts and threats.

2009 until 2010 Mr Hunt was imprisoned during which time was transferred back to hospital for treatment for his mental illness When he completed his sentence and was transferred back to Graylands.

On 22 February 2011, Mr Hunt was found dead by suicide on the ward. The treating psychiatrist had noted that there were no suicide risks on this final admission and it was a suicide caused by impulse.

The Coroner found that Graylands should continue to attempt to identify and, if reasonably practicable, remove potential ligature points as an ongoing improvement of the facility.

This would be particularly important in areas where patients are unsupervised or where there are low patient staff ratios.

Aaron Luke PRISGROVE

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Prisgrove_finding_2014.pdf

Luke Prisgrove was a 33 year old man who died as an involuntary patient at Graylands from suicide by hanging.

2001 and 2002: Mr Prisgrove attempted suicide.

11 July 2012 he told nurses that he had attempted suicide in the Graylands chapel. Following this, the nurses removed all items that were classified as risky.

On 12 July 2012, Mr Prisgrove was found hanging in his room from the handle of his suitcase.

Graylands acknowledged that their standard of care was not sufficient by changing its policy to keeping newly admitted patients on the same level of observations as was in place at the transferring hospital.

Mr Prisgrove was administered medication without an independent assessment or clear authorisation for it. This revealed another unacceptable standard  because an audit of the documentation of PRN medications was implemented.

The Graylands ward was found to be not fit for its purpose in safeguarding Mr Prisgrove, indeed it was acknowledged as appalling for observation of someone at risk, and that there were too many patients for that type of ward. A review of the model of care for nursing was also instigated, suggesting that it needed improvement.

Sarah Jane RUTHERFORD

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Rutherford_Sarah_finding_2014.pdf

In 2009Ms Rutherford was a 28 year old woman who died from multiple injuries from suicide. In 1999, Ms Rutherford was diagnosed with Bipolar II Disorder. She had been a patient at Graylands Hospital.

Robert Kenneth SCOTT

http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Scott_Robert_2014.pdf

Mr Scott was a 28 year old man who died as an involuntary patient at Graylands from suicide.

1997 Mr Scott was first diagnosed  with schizophreniform psychosis. Mr Scott was in and out of Graylands until his final admission in 2008.

In  May 2008, Mr Scott left Graylands without approval. Nursing staff only noticed Mr Scott was missing around 5:00pm but only reported him to the police as AWOL at 10:00pm that night citing they hoped he would return. Mr Scott was found in the afternoon of 22 May 2008 hanging in the backyard of his uncle’s house.

We note in acknowledgement of room for improvement, after the death of Mr Scott, the policy with respect to absconding patients was changed to require involuntary patients who were considered to be at risk of harm to themselves or others to be declared AWOL if a search of the grounds and local surrounds does not locate them quickly. More recently, a procedure has apparently been adopted whereby absconding patients are declared AWOL immediately unless it is documented in their management plan that there is reason to delay the AWOL process.

There is also now a new process of disseminating changes to policies by placing them in a ‘14 day file’ on each ward. Staff are required to read the updated policies and sign a sheet to show that they have done so. In addition, on-going training has been introduced at Graylands to target high-priority areas, which include the management of absconding patients.

 


Patient death highlights lack of training

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/patient-death-highlights-lack-of-training-20111003-1l529.html

The death of an agitated psychiatric patient after he was pinned to the floor by nursing staff has exposed a lack of training at Perth's Graylands Hospital, a coroner's inquest has heard.

Warwick Andrew Ashdown, a 27-year-old man diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic, died on October 12, 2007 after being held down by at least three staff moving him to a secure ward.

The involuntary patient was being moved after hitting another patient at the facility that evening, Melanie Smith, counsel assisting West Australian Coroner Alastair Hope, told an inquest today.

She said male staff were called in to move Mr Ashdown and decided they would have to physically take hold of him after he continued to act aggressively and accused them of trying to kill him.

When one staffer grasped him by the head and others assisted, Mr Ashdown dropped to the floor and was held there in a prone position, Ms Smith said.

He was then stood up and walked to the secure ward, still being held by the head and arms as he shouted, ''Let me go, let me go'', she said.

In the secure ward Mr Ashdown again dropped to the floor where one nurse knelt over him to pin his chin and the back of his head while others pinned his feet to his buttocks, Ms Smith said.

Again Mr Ashdown shouted for staff to let him go and said his head hurt.

When a staff member saw mucus coming out of Mr Ashdown's nose a towel was placed under his head and a minute after he stopped fighting he started to vomit, the inquest heard.

Ms Smith said Mr Ashdown's ''struggle to breathe may have been taken as aggression by nurses''.

When it became clear that Mr Ashdown was not well, first aid was administered and St John Ambulance officers were called but he did not recover.

A post-mortem examination found significant bruising on Mr Ashdown's neck and that his death was ''consistent with cardiac arrhythmia during restraint''.

It found the compression of Mr Ashdown's neck likely depleted his oxygen intake that in turn increased his heart rate, boosting it into a disturbed rhythm.

Ms Smith said Perth's North Metropolitan Mental Health Service policy on handling aggressive patients stipulated that ''on no account pressure should be applied to the throat, face or neck'' when restraining patients.

She said it also stated that placing a patient on the floor could restrict breathing and patients should be observed for any sign of breathing difficulties.

Ms Smith said an inquiry by WA's chief psychiatrist recommended the health service introduce clearer restraint policies and that hospital staff undergo training in de-escalation and management of patient aggression.

She said the inquest would examine how ''more training of staff could have prevented this death''.

Restraint methods at Graylands Hospital appeared to have been handed down from experienced staff to new staff ''in an unstructured, informal way'' and differed from ward to ward, Ms Smith said.

The inquest continues.

AAP

 

 

 


Graylands hospital outdated: coroner

Tim Clarke

Sunday, April 27, 2014

https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/graylands-hospital-outdated-coroner-ng-ya-369887

Graylands hospital outdated says coroner

Perth's main mental health facility at Graylands Hospital is outdated, overcrowded and lacking resources.

Those are some of the conclusions after 10 inquests into the deaths of hospital patients over seven years revealed tragic insights into the plight of WA's mentally ill.

Coroner Barry King described the life of one patient, who spent more than 20 years at the hospital because she had nowhere else to go, as an "unmitigated tragedy".

While no systemic issues were found to link the deaths, major lingering issues with the ageing hospital were repeatedly highlighted.

They included overcrowding, lack of privacy for patients, unsuitable facilities, no alternatives for difficult cases, and boredom for long-term patients.

Debora Colvin, head of mental health advocacy group the Council of Official Visitors, said the conditions in some of Graylands' wards were "dire".

"We find ourselves in this very strange place of people banging at the door to get into mental health services, with people at the other end banging to get out . . . but with nowhere to go," Ms Colvin said.

The multiple inquests were called to investigate the suitability of the 172-bed hospital for those with complex needs, methods for dealing with patients who abscond, services for Aboriginal patients, and the suitability of the physical environment at the hospital - WA's biggest for mental health inpatients.

In all but one of the cases, the care provided for those who died was found to be reasonable and appropriate. But concerning themes about the facility emerged throughout.

In the case of Aaron Prisgrove, a 32-year-old who hanged himself while being treated at the hospital, Mr King said staff at Graylands were fighting an uphill battle. "Staff at facilities such as Graylands must deal with the dilemma of managing difficult and unpredictable patients in the least restrictive manner possible, while protecting them from self-harm," Mr King said. "It is difficult to see how it can be possible to do both successfully with the resources available."

The case of 47-year-old Amanda Gilbert, who had spent almost half her life in Graylands - despite evidence she had been assaulted more than 100 times by other patients - highlighted the lack of treatment options.

Mental Health Minister Helen Morton said the State Government was "seriously considering" the future of Graylands.

If you or someone you know is thinking of suicide phone Lifeline on 13 11 14


Cult Hand Book

http://www.cifs.org.au/CultAidBooklet.pdf

Contents What is CIFS?

Introduction

What messages are behind today’s Cults

Brainwashing not just in wartime

What type of person joins a cult?

Aren’t the Marines a cult?

Domestic Violence / cultic abuse

 Differences between a church and a cult

 Unhealthy Faith

Healthy Faith

If you have a cult member in your family

Repairing the soul

Recovery from spiritual abuse

They believe that theirs is the only truth.

 They have a belief in prophesy which is the New word of God for today

They are not allowed to disagree with or question the beliefs of the group.

They are forbidden from having anything to do with ex members.

They are not allowed to read other literature than their own publications

They have secret beliefs that are withheld from outsiders and new members.

 They often believe the end justifies the means.

Therefore lying and misrepresenting themselves to the public is allowed if it furthers their cause.

Cult Information Family Support

What is CIFS?

What is CIFS?

CIFS is an Australian support and information network based in Sydney NSW.

CIFS was initially formed by parents and family members of loved ones caught up in abusive groups. The network has grown to include families, friends, former members and concerned individuals working together towards a common goal, to provide support and develop awareness for those affected by high demand groups or cultic relationships. CIFS aims and objectives are:

CIFS aims and objectives are:

To offer support and friendship to persons concerned about family members or friends in cults and in particular to put them in touch with persons having similar concerns.

To provide ongoing contact and to meet together at regular intervals for the purpose of supporting one another both prayerfully and physically.

To lobby members of parliament and other appropriate people when felt necessary. •

To support each other by way of peaceful protests against cults.

To aim at informing the public and in particular the youth of Australia through schools, of the dangers of becoming involved in cults. Contact Contact Cult Information & Family Support Inc.

(CIFS) PO Box 385 West Ryde NSW 1685

Fax (02) 99901237

Website: www.cifs.org.au

e-mail : info@cifs.org.au

P.S.

CIFS is only made possible by the goodwill and donations of its members.

Please consider helping us to forward our work with either a single donation or membership.

Cult Watcher

Introduction

This booklet is a collection of papers and articles designed to give you an overall idea of the identifying marks of a cult , and to impart some strategies should you in some way be affected by an extremist group. T

his booklet is a ‘not for profit’ publication with one goal, that being, to disseminate good information and hopefully cut through some of the waffle in a concise manner and give a broad overview of the topic. We will look at the topic of “mind control” and see that although this term conjures up mental images of hypnosis and water torture it is a much more everyday occurrence.

We ask, “Is there a certain type of person that would join a cult?” the answer of course is both yes and no. Other questions addressed are;

What is the difference between a church and a cult?

 The Marines are controlled and have to obey their officers, why aren’t they a cult?

What are some similarities between domestic violence situations and abusive control?

 Finally we look at some strategies for the family member that joins a high demand group and the problems encountered by the ex cult member.

Control, manipulation and various abuses, whether political, religious or sociological have been with us as long as mankind has been on the planet.

There are always some who would take advantage of those in need and exploit them to suit their own ends.

The pattern of exploitation has always been the same however, and while it would be impossible to list every cult in the world today the pattern they follow is the same.

So the trick is to identify the pattern, and if it “looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…?”

You will see that cult involvement has more to do with control and manipulation than with religious dogma, and that they operate by targeting new recruits using coercion.

They isolate new members from family and friends, control their behaviour and information while at the same time using organised peer pressure tactics and simplistic black and white thought processes to gain control of the mind.

Presently we live in a society that in many ways is conditioning us and our children to fall into these traps.

We are bombarded with far more information than we can process effectively; this causes us to feel so overwhelmed we can tend to accept things without taking the time to research.

It is a complex world with many shades of grey and a multitude of beliefs on offer, to sift through all of this can be quite daunting.

Enter the cult leader with simplistic solutions to extremely complex issues and we find many vulnerable people can be drawn in and damaged as a result. 4 Who would fall for such appeals?

Most of us, if they were made by someone we trusted, in a setting that was familiar, and especially if we had unfulfilled needs.

What messages are behind today's cults? behind today's cults?

Philip G. Zimbardo, Ph.D. APA Monitor, May 1997

The appeal

What is the appeal of cults?

Imagine being part of a group in which you will find instant friendship, a caring family, respect for your contributions, an identity, safety, security, simplicity, and an organized daily agenda.

You will learn new skills, have a respected position, gain personal insight, improve your personality and intelligence.

There is no crime or violence and your healthy lifestyle means there is no illness. Your leader may promise not only to heal any sickness and foretell the future, but give you the gift of immortality, if you are a true believer. In addition, your group’s ideology represents a unique spiritual/religious agenda (in other cults it is political, social or personal enhancement) that if followed, will enhance the Human Condition somewhere in the world or cosmos.

Who would fall for such appeals?

Most of us, if they were made by someone we trusted, in a setting that was familiar, and especially if we had unfulfilled needs.

Much cult recruitment is done by family, friends, neighbours, co-workers, teachers and highly trained professional recruiters.

They recruit not on the streets or airports, but in contexts that are “home bases” for the potential recruit; at schools, in the home, coffee houses, on the job, at sports events, lectures, churches, or drop-in dinners and free personal assessment workshops. The Heaven’s Gate group made us aware that recruiting is now also active over the Internet and across the World Wide Web.

In a 1980 study where we (C. Hartley and I) surveyed and interviewed more than 1,000 randomly selected high school students in the greater San Francisco Bay Area, 54 percent reported they had at least one active recruiting attempt by someone they identified with a cult, and 40 percent said they had experienced three to five such contacts.

And that was long before electronic cult recruiting could be a new allure for a generation of youngsters growing up as web surfers.

What makes any of us especially vulnerable to cult appeals? Someone is in a transitional phase in life: moved to a new city or country, lost a job, dropped out of school, parents divorced, romantic relationship broken, gave up traditional Cult Watcher

Our society is in a curious transitional phase; as science and technology make remarkable advances, anti- advances, antiscientific values and beliefs in the paranormal and occult abound, occult abound, religion as personally irrelevant.

Add to the recipe, all those who find their work tedious and trivial, education abstractly meaningless, social life absent or inconsistent, family remote or dysfunctional, friends too busy to find time for you and trust in government eroded. Cults promise to fulfill most of those personal individual’s needs and also to compensate for a litany of societal failures: to make their slice of the world safe, healthy, caring, predictable and controllable.

They will eliminate the increasing feelings of isolation and alienation being created by mobility, technology, competition, meritocracy, incivility, and dehumanized living and working conditions in our society. In general, cult leaders offer simple solutions to the increasingly complex world problems we all face daily. They offer the simple path to happiness, to success, to salvation by following their simple rules, simple group regimentation and simple total lifestyle.

Ultimately, each new member contributes to the power of the leader by trading his or her freedom for the illusion of security and reflected glory that group membership holds out. It seems like a “win-win” trade for those whose freedom is without power to make a difference in their lives.

This may be especially so for the shy among us. Shyness among adults is now escalating to epidemic proportions, according to recent research by Dr. B.Carducci in Indiana and my research team in California. More than 50 percent of college-aged adults report being chronically shy (lacking social skills, low self-esteem, awkward in many social encounters).

 As with the rise in cult membership, a public health model is essential for understanding how societal pathology is implicated in contributing to the rise in shyness among adults and children in America.

A society in transition

Our society is in a curious transitional phase; as science and technology make remarkable advances, anti-scientific values and beliefs in the paranormal and occult abound, family values are stridently promoted in Congress and pulpits, yet divorce is rising along with spouse and child abuse, fear of nuclear annihilation in superpower wars is replaced by fears of crime in our streets and drugs in our schools, and the economic gap grows exponentially between the rich and 6 On such shifting sands of time and resolve, the cult leader stands firm with simple directions for what to think and feel, and how to act. powerful and our legions of poor and powerless.

Such change and confusion create intellectual chaos that makes it difficult for many citizens to believe in anything, to trust anyone, to stand for anything substantial. On such shifting sands of time and resolve, the cult leader stands firm with simple directions for what to think and feel, and how to act.

“Follow me, I know the path to sanity, security and salvation,” proclaims Marshall Applewhite, with other cult leaders chanting the same lyric in that celestial chorus. And many will follow.

What makes cults dangerous? It depends in part on the kind of cult since they come in many sizes, purposes and disguises. Some cults are in the business of power and money.

They need members to give money, work for free, beg and recruit new members. They won’t go the deathly route of the Heaven’s Gaters; their danger lies in deception, mindless devotion, and failure to deliver on the recruiting promises.

Danger also comes in the form of insisting on contributions of exorbitant amounts of money (tithing, signing over life insurance, social security or property, and fees for personal testing and training).

Add exhausting labor as another danger (spending all one’s waking time begging for money, recruiting new members, or doing menial service for little or no remuneration).

Most cult groups demand that members sever ties with former family and friends which creates total dependence on the group for self identity, recognition, social reinforcement. Unquestioning obedience to the leader and following arbitrary rules and regulations eliminates independent, critical thinking, and the exercise of free will. Such cerebral straightjacketing is a terrible danger that can lead in turn to the ultimate twin dangers of committing suicide upon command or destroying the cult’s enemies. Potential for the worst abuse is found in “total situations” where the group is physically and socially isolated from the outside community.

The accompanying total milieu and informational control permits idiosyncratic and paranoid thinking to flourish and be shared without limits.

The madness of any leader then becomes normalized as members embrace it, and the folly of one becomes folie & agrave; deux, and finally, with three or Cult Watcher 7 more adherents, it becomes a constitutionally protected belief system that is an ideology defended to the death. A remarkable thing about cult mind control is that it’s so ordinary in the tactics and strategies of social influence employed.

They are variants of well-known social psychological principles of compliance, conformity, persuasion, dissonance, reactance, framing, emotional manipulation, and others that are used on all of us daily to entice us: to buy, to try, to donate, to vote, to join, to change, to believe, to love, to hate the enemy.

Cult mind control is not different in kind from these everyday varieties, but in its greater intensity, persistence, duration, and scope.

One difference is in its greater efforts to block quitting the group, by imposing high exit costs, replete with induced phobias of harm, failure, and personal isolation. What’s the solution?

Heaven’s Gate mass suicides have made cults front-page news. While their number and ritually methodical formula are unusual, cults are not.

They exist as part of the frayed edges of our society and have vital messages for us to reflect upon if we want to prevent such tragedies or our children and neighbours from joining such destructive groups that are on the near horizon.

The solution? Simple. All we have to do is to create an alternative, “perfect cult.” We need to work together to find ways to make our society actually deliver on many of those cult promises, to co-opt their appeal, without their deception, distortion and potential for destruction.

 No man or woman is an island unto itself, nor a space traveller without an earthly control centre. Finding that centre, spreading that continent of connections, enriching that core of common humanity should be our first priority as we learn and share a vital lesson from the tragedy of Heaven’s Gate Brainwashing:

Not just in wartime wartime

By RAY SIDDONS,

For the Daily Facts

Although the concept of “brainwashing” is usually associated with prisoners of war, there are examples in our everyday world, Kidnappings, cults, and domestic violence raise issues about victims and their ability to fight off or recover from brainwashing. Brainwashing occurs when a person is overwhelmed physically and psychologically while under the control of the aggressor. The victim loses individual responsibility and decision-making ability as the aggressor uses subtle or direct force to gain more and more dominance.

 As with any victimization, the person loses her healthy support system and the reality checks that keep us normal.

This can occur quickly when the trauma is severe or surprising, like a kidnapping.

The violence occurs and the victim’s whole world is turned upside down.

Or, brainwashing can take a longer period of time, as in domestic violence, when a wife, over a period of years, gradually comes under the hypnotic power of an abusive husband.

As with any victimization, the person loses her healthy support system and the reality checks that keep us normal.

The victim is so emotionally vulnerable that a deviant can force a new reality. Once in place, the deviant reality is accepted with virtually no dissonance.

That is why victims must be deprogrammed out of the reach of the deviant before resuming normal functioning.

This healing can take weeks, months or years regardless of whether the victim is kidnapped, in a cult, or a prisoner of war.

The psychological principle that explains a victim’s compliance is termed “identification with the aggressor.”

This means that victims lose so much of their individual identity that they adopt the ways of their captor.

This explains how victims seem to support, empathise with, and have difficulty escaping from their captors. Outsiders have questioned this process because it is so hard to grasp the concept of losing one’s identity to the point of being enslaved by another.

Please, never second-guess a victim who feels she is only able to survive based on getting along with the aggressor. Even a strong, resilient individual can lose it when a captor has tools of violence and control. If you have never been threatened with a weapon, been beat up, or been forced to endure extended time with psychological warfare, you have no right to question a victim or assume that you would have done better.

Victims primarily fear consequences; anything they do may be disagreeable and could worsen the situation.

Victims are broken down physically by:

1) threats of more violence, and

2) 2) creating physical changes or hardships such as imprisonment or controlling the victim’s every move.

Victims are broken psychologically by

1) destroying the victim’s sense of well-being and safety, and

2) 2) the aggressor forcing a dogma and new way leaving the victim no chance to dispute it.

Victims also go downhill because of an issue of complicity.

They feel some degree Cult Watcher 9 of guilt of being at fault for what went wrong. Our culture has promulgated a distorted view that we have more control than we do and that accidents and bad fortune can be rooted in our own inadequacies. Or, that we deserve what we get.

Victims often backtrack from feeling bad to that undeserving distortion that they caused the problem.

This self-doubt makes it easier for the aggressor to dominate. Sometimes victims don’t know any better.

An abused wife may have been set-up early in life by a father being violent to her mother, a sibling, or herself.

A victim may have been sheltered in a loving environment growing up and is, therefore, totally shocked when the trauma occurs.

This is not to imply that there is anything wrong with a sheltered upbringing; we need genuinely nice people. However, we need to provide proper resources if someone like this is damaged.

Most can fully recover from brainwashing once they are out of the crisis that precipitated it. Life is different, and there may be some residual feelings that intrude once in a while.

Every day life must become healthy again, or we have let the perpetrators win. (Ray Siddons is a licensed marriage and family therapist with a private practice in Redlands.) Is there a certain type of Is there a certain type of person who is more likely to join a cult likely to join a cult?…

(The following article has been excerpted from Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships by Janja Lalich and Madeleine Tobias (Bay Tree Publishing).

Individual vulnerability factors matter much more than personality type when it comes to joining or staying in a cult or abusive relationship.

“Everyone is influenced and persuaded daily in various ways,” writes the late Margaret Singer, “but the vulnerability to influence varies. The ability to fend off persuaders is reduced when one is rushed, stressed, uncertain, lonely, indifferent, uninformed, distracted, or fatigued…. Also affecting vulnerability are the status and power of the persuader…. No one type of person is prone to become involved with cults. About two-thirds of those studied have been normal young persons induced to join groups in periods of personal crisis, [such as] broken romance or failures to get the job or college of their choice. Vulnerable, the young person affiliates with a cult offering promises of unconditional love, new mental powers, and social utopia. Since modern cults are persistent and often deceptive in their recruiting, many prospective group members have no accurate knowledge of the cult and almost 10 Most experts agree, though, that whether the joiner is young or old, certain predisposing factors may facilitate attraction to a cultic system, the success of recruitment and indoctrination efforts, and the efforts, and the length and depth of involvement of involvement no understanding of what eventually will be expected of them as long-term members.”

Many cults have flourished in recent decades, and changes in recruitment styles and targets have occurred. In the 1970s and early ’80s, primarily young adults, either in college or some other life transition, joined these groups. At that time, cults were extremely active (and some still are) on college campuses and in places where young people congregate.

Today, however, increasing numbers of people in their late twenties and older are joining cult groups or getting involved in abusive relationships. In fact, the majority of inquiries to cult information resources involve new recruits or adherents who are in their thirties to fifties, or even sixties. Still no single personality profile characterizes cult members.

 Most experts agree, though, that whether the joiner is young or old, certain predisposing factors may facilitate attraction to a cultic system, the success of recruitment and indoctrination efforts, and the length and depth of involvement. These factors include:

A desire to belong

Unassertiveness (the inability to say no or express criticism or doubt) • Gullibility (impaired capacity to question critically what one is told, observes, thinks, and so forth)

Low tolerance for ambiguity (need for absolute answers, impatience to obtain answers)

Cultural disillusionment (alienation, dissatisfaction with the status quo)

Idealism

Susceptibility to trance-like states (in some cases, perhaps, due to prior hallucinogenic drug experiences)

A lack of self-confidence

A desire for spiritual meaning

Ignorance of how groups can manipulate individuals3 A wide range of human susceptibility emerges when we combine the list of predisposing factors with the potential vulnerabilities mentioned above. The stereotype of a recruit is a young person worried about leaving college or uncertain Cult Watcher 11 Cult recruitment is not mysterious. It is as simple and commonplace as the seduction and persuasion processes used by lovers and advertisers. about “facing life.” The reality, however, is that anyone, at any age in a moment of confusion, personal crisis, or simply a life transition may become attracted to or drawn in by a cult’s appeal. “New in town, lost a job, recently divorced, a friend or family member just died, need a career change, feel a little blue?” The unstable and anxious feelings experienced at such times make a person vulnerable, whether that person is twenty or seventy years old. If a vulnerable person happens to cross paths with a cult advertisement or personal recruiter putting forth even a mildly interesting offer, then that ad will likely pay for itself and that recruiter will stand a good chance of making her mark. According to Michael Langone, “Conversion to cults is not truly a matter of choice. Vulnerabilities do not merely ‘lead’ individuals to a particular group. The group manipulates these vulnerabilities and deceives prospects in order to persuade them to join and, ultimately, renounce their old lives.” While we are at it, let’s shatter another myth: people who join cults are not stupid, weird, crazy, weak-willed, or neurotic. Most cult members are of aboveaverage intelligence, well adjusted, adaptable, and perhaps a bit idealistic. In relatively few cases is there a history of a pre-existing mental disorder. Anyone is capable of being recruited (or seduced) into a cult if his personal and situational circumstances are right. Currently there are so many cults formed around so many different types of beliefs that it is impossible for a person to truthfully claim that he would never be vulnerable to a cult’s appeal. Cult recruitment is not mysterious. It is as simple and commonplace as the seduction and persuasion processes used by lovers and advertisers. However, depending on the degree of deception and manipulation involved, the resultant attachments can be even more powerful. (More information available at http://www.baytreepublish.com/takeback-life-fr.html) Entrapment… …Is a gradual process, in which individuals escalate their commitment to a course of action, to justify their investment of time money or effort. 12 Aren't the Marines a Cult by Your Definition? by Your Definition? I have had to point out why the United States Marine Corps is not a cult so many times that I carry a list to lectures and court appearances. It cites 19 ways in which the practices of the Marine Corps differ from those found in most modern cults.... Cults clearly differ from such purely authoritarian groups as the military, some types of sects and communes, and centuries-old Roman Catholic and Greek and Russian Orthodox Orders. These groups, though rigid and controlling, lack a double agenda and are not manipulative or leader-centred. The differences become apparent when we examine the intensity and pervasiveness with which mindmanipulating techniques and deceptions are or are not applied. Jesuit seminaries may isolate the seminarian from the rest of the world for periods of time, but the candidate is not deliberately deceived about the obligations and burdens of the priesthood. In fact, he is warned in advance about what is expected, and what he can and cannot do.... Mainstream religious organizations do not concentrate their search on the lonely and the vulnerable.... Nor do mainstream religions focus recruitment on wealthy believers who are seen as pots of gold for the church, as is the case with those cults who target rich individuals.... Military training and legitimate executive training programs may use the dictates of authority as well as peer pressure to encourage the adoption of new patterns of thought and behaviour. They do not seek, however, to accelerate the process by prolonged or intense psychological depletion or by stirring up feelings of dread, guilt, and sinfulness....

And what is wrong with cults is not just that cults are secret societies. In our culture, there are openly recognized, social secret societies, such as the Masons, in which new members know up front that they will gradually learn the shared rituals of the group....

In [cults], there is deliberate deception about what the group is and what some of the rituals might be, and primarily, there is deception about what the ultimate goal will be for a member, what will ultimately be demanded and expected, and what the damages resulting from some of the practices might be.

A secret handshake is not equivalent to mind control. (--adapted from Cults in Our Midst: The Hidden Menace in Our Everyday Lives, Margaret Singer and Janja Lalich, JosseyBass, 1995. ) Domestic Violence and Cultic Abuse Comparative Study Cultic studies journal, Volume 17, 2000, page 6 Domestic Violence Environmental Control Perpetrators control whom the woman sees, talks to, what she reads and where she goes. Limits outside involvement Economic Abuse Perpetrators can prevent the woman from getting a job, make her ask for money.

Take her money, forbid access to family income. Using Children Perpetrators can use the children to make the woman feel guilty, threaten harm to the children, alienate children from mother. C

oercion & Threats Perpetrators threaten to hurt and can use guilt and fear and other emotional manipulations to control the women. Minimizing / Blaming Perpetrators refuse to take responsibility for abusive behaviour; they say it is the woman’s fault or ignore or make light of abuse. Powerlessness / Helplessness Perpetrators ensure that the woman is dependent on the male; a learned helplessness is established.

Attack on Self The result of DV can be a shattered self, a hollow shell. “I no longer feel like a person.” Performance Orientated “As long as you do what you are told , it’ll be OK.” I’ll try not to upset him tonight. Residual Effects Many battered women exhibit symptoms consistent with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (walker 1993) Cultic Abuse Environmental Control Cults control whom the individual is allowed to see and associate with. Cults control reading matter, living arrangements, and lifestyle. Economic Abuse Cults often expect a large proportion of an individuals income, including signing over assets, getting money from family, money making activities. Using Children Cults can emotionally, spiritually and physically abuse children. They can threaten to harm children to control the parents. Coercion & Threats Cults regularly use fear, guilt, and other emotional manipulations to control members. Minimizing / Blaming Cults make sure if something is wrong it is the individuals fault; no critical thinking about the group is allowed. Powerlessness / Helplessness Cults systematically create a sense of powerlessness through a system of rewards and punishments.

Attack on Self Cults destabilize the sense of self, reinterpret reality according to the group and create a cult identity. Performance Orientated Happiness and commitment are measured through performance.

Measure up or suffer the consequences. Residual Effects One of the most common psychiatric disorders experienced by ex cult members is PTSD. The Differences between a… …Christian Church and a Pseudo Christian Cult Will stress the authority of Scripture (2Tim 3:16,17) Will emphasize the authority of scripture added to, or subtracted from or interpreted by their leaders. Is directed by men who lead who lead with a strong A cult leader dominates by the strength of his but gentle example, giving instruction and personality and his repeated emphasis as a encouragement. (2Tim 2:24,25; 1Peter 5:1`-3) spokesman for God. Teaches and encourages godly relationships with Often requires withdrawing from society except for those outside the church, society in general. earning money or making converts. (1 Cor 5:9-11 1 Peter 5:1-3) Will encourage love and respect for family members Often insist on contempt for non-members, parents even though they are not Christians- and though and relatives, regardless of what they think of Jesus they recognize that on the one hand differing beliefs The cult will encourage separation. may cause division, they will not promote division by their own attitude. (Matt 10:34-37; Eph 5:22-6:4) Will act with integrity keeping none of their beliefs A cult operates by deception, keeping back some of and identity from their contacts. (2 cor 4:2) some of their more unpleasant beliefs from contacts until they feel they are ready to accept them. Accepts and recognizes all who confess the name of A cult only recognizes its own membership. Jesus in faith and practice, regardless of denomination. Will not use manipulative techniques, but believes in A cult often uses behaviour modification similar to the ability of the Holy Spirit to work in peoples lives those used on prisoners of war.

(Thought reform by through the word of God. (1 cor 2:3-5; 2 cor 2:17,) strict control of information, environment and time.)

Encourages members to judge for themselves whether A cult discourages or even forbids any critical or they are being led in a biblical way. analytical thinking. Makes personal faith in Jesus Christ alone as the A cult almost always makes additional requirements requirement for salvation. (Gal 3:1-7, Eph 2: 8-9.) for salvation. (Obedience to leaders & groups rules) Teaches giving is voluntary. Cults often specify the giving requirements or demand that all property and or possessions be assigned to the group. Requires leaders and members to maintain a high level Often a double standard and leaders are above of moral conduct and sexual purity.(1Tim 3:1-13, the law. Titus 1:5-9) Will show respect to people and institutions that do A cult will encourage feelings of contempt for not hold to it’s values. those with opposing views. Not just the beliefs but those who hold those beliefs as well. Teaches biblical principles encouraging personal A cult creates a sense of dependence, which in growth, thoughts decisions and maturity. turn allows leadership to make all the (2 Tim. 3: 16-17) important decisions. Is sometimes persecuted because it identifies with

A cult is often persecuted for it’s actions towards Jesus Christ and his word. those outside the group, or unethical or illegal behaviour. Unhealthy Faith Unhealthy Faith Taken from; “Faith that Hurts Faith that heals" Arteburn & Felton.

Unhealthy faith is a destructive, dangerous relationship that allows the religion, the church, the beliefs or the group, not the relationship with God, to control the person’s life. It is a defective faith and has an incomplete or contaminated view of God. It is abusive and manipulative.

Family and friends become insignificant compared to the need to uphold the beliefs. Unhealthy faith is used to avoid reality and responsibility. It has nothing to do with God, and everything to do with men and women who concoct a god or faith that serves them rather than honouring God.

Harmful faith is an excuse to put off dealing with life’s pain, to “wait on God” for “direction” rather than getting on with life or to abuse one’s wife because she must submit to him as if he were God. It provides a distraction through religious ritual and “realigaholicism.” Faith becomes unhealthy when individuals use God or religion for profit, power, pleasure or prestige. These four ambitions are the foundation of any dependency. But they must be totally separated from faith. Each time faith is distorted or minimised because of these four ambitions people are hurt, some are killed and many are left to suffer alone after families, friends and fortunes have been lost. Variations of Unhealthy Faith Unhealthy faith can have many variations. For example one could have driving religious activity.

They work in the hope that God will change reality. These people are running from the pain of life. Alternatively one could be spiritually lazy and put all responsibility onto God for everything. e.g Wanting God to instantly heal a marriage rather than working on yourself to change. It is easier to pray and do nothing more than it is to face one’s responsibility and seen help to go through the pain of growth.These are people who want a “god drug” to wipe out all the pain and consequences of their actions. Another variation of unhealthy faith is extreme intolerance.

These people will denigrate the faith of others if it doesn’t suit their model of faith.

They insist that everyone else worship God their way, attend their type of church, judge others by the standards THEY say God has set. This kind of intolerance of others is common amongst those with unhealthy faith. As long as they believe they are doing what God would have them do, they don’t hesitate to push their ideas and 16 beliefs on others. They control others by demeaning their beliefs, and the practice of their faith. They create a fake faith and a legalistic characterture. Giving to get back is another variation of unhealthy faith. This is more like a materialistic investment than an act of worship. God cannot be bribed but many people attempt to do so. Obsession with self is next.

They are poisoned by their constant focus on their own needs, hurts and desire for relief.

There is little room left for truly worshipping God and they are never truly interested in helping others except when it is to meet their own needs. These people concentrate on having others constantly meet their needs, and especially on how God can relieve them of their burdens.

To have faith in God because of what He can do for you is to have faith in what He does rather than in Him.

Self-obsession is gross sin and the greatest poisoner of faith. The addiction to the religious high comes next. Trusting God can and should relieve one of being overwhelmed with problems or needing all problems resolved immediately.

However, unhealthy faith that is an emotional frenzy that robs real faith.

These people will manufacture religious experiences and spiritual frenzy to provide an adrenalin rush that makes them feel good.

Their intent is not to worship God but to alter reality.

They are obsessed with the quick fix to life. The Religaholic Running from life is the everyday reality of the religaholic.

In our fear of living forever in our pain or being overwhelmed by it we often run into the nearest type of relief available - even unhealthy faith.

To some the religaholic will look good. They are at every church function, preaching to all they meet. They look like the “perfect” Christian in all their works. Inside they have a poor self-image and don’t feel worthy of God’s love. they experience the thrill of being valued by others but don’t feel valued in themselves.

They may admonish those they don’t feel are walking right with God (to their standards).

They may berate their friends and relatives for rebelliousness against God. They will “bible- bash” and shame people into doing things their way.

They may constantly demean and condemn those who don’t measure up. Just like a substance-abuse addict they will blame everyone and everything else for their problems and rather than face them.

They may even decide to turn their back on those they don’t feel measure up to their standards in an attempt to not face themselves. Cult Watcher 17 The unhealthy faith becomes entrapped and enmeshed in an unhealthy involvement in church and church life. Convictions become addictions and the pains of life are eased with excess activity. Rather than becoming dependent on God the person is dependent upon work and the comfort the experience when they become too involved to have to cope with their problems.

The peace they find is not the peace of God by the peace that comes from the numbness of avoidance.

Worship and praising God is a wonderful experience. However those who have an unhealthy faith will use this to achieve emotional highs and these highs become the focus of the experience rather than God being the focus. Rather than bringing them closer to God this type of experience only serves to further alienate them from God because they can only feel good when they are having the emotional high and there is nothing in between. There is a line between these two extremities.

At one end there is a faith in a God who is loving, caring and allpowerful. At the other end is faith in a God who is ineffective, uncaring and powerless. Those who have faith in the latter seek a God who can mend every situation, avert all pain and hurt and heal all disharmony. A healthy Faith is: A healthy Faith is: (Taken from the book “Faith that Hurts, Faith that heals” Arteburn & Felton.) Focused on God. Not based on what we want God to do, or on ourselves and our perceived importance in the scheme of things, but on Christ and what He has done for us. Growing: Healthy faith grows and matures over time. When we are determined to face the storms of life with confidence in God to see us through and fellowship of other non-toxic believers we set ourselves up for growth. We are free to be vulnerable.

Being vulnerable means being real. Relationship oriented Shift away from rules to relationships.

Healthy faith strives to develop intimacy with God and others.

We can become so obsessed with our own spirituality it becomes a self-focus that excludes others. Our relationship with God should be a personal one, not via a group. It should be balanced.

It is not so pre-occupied with work that family is destroyed.

 It is not so intent on witnessing to people that we fail to meet their needs

It does not become so intent on memorizing Scripture that the author of Scripture is forgotten.

Obedience to the rules is balanced with freedom to serve others in ways of individual expression.

It is not a black/ white faith but allows us to feel OK with the struggle over grey areas. A healthy faith is non-defensive and welcomes critical evaluation and tough questions as opportunities to learn and relate. Those who question them are not considered disobedient but merely encouraged as they explore their doubts. When God is in control there is no reason to feel threatened. Healthy faith attracts people to it rather than repelling them. Defensive people repel others, Christ drew others to Him. What a relief it is to realise that we don’t have to defend every criticism made by everyone outside the faith.

Recovering "religious addicts" stop judging people and start listening to them. When this occurs compassion and empathy develop in the hearts of believers. A toxic faith is so focused on the system (doctrine) that the needs of people are forgotten. Healthy believers look for similarities in order to establish a relationship. Each person is seen as a fellow struggler in a different stage of the struggle.

The healthy believer embraces reality, he acknowledges the miraculous power of God but does not need to see it to believe that God is real.

The healthy believer does not look to God to magically change life’s circumstances but looks to Him in the midst of the trials. Because faith grows strong there is no need to deny reality.

True faith embraces all our emotions and allows room to express grief, happiness, sorrow, anger and love.

We should rejoice that God has given us emotions to experience the extremes of life. We embrace our humanity and acknowledges our capacity to sin and make mistakes.

There is no need to strive to be perfect and hide when we are not. We don’t have to live up to someone else’s standards but are comfortable in the knowledge that mercy and grace are gifts freely given and if they were to be earned they would not be gifts. We do not have to deny who we are to be acceptable to God.

He made us this way and loves us anyway. Healthy faith is characterised by the capacity to love and be loved. Healthy believers are patient with themselves and others as they allow God to correct their Cult Watcher 19 character defects. If faith does not move people to love more, it is not healthy. Love is patient with others, Kind, not self seeking, and forgives.

The development of a healthy faith in God is the greatest process and achievement of a lifetime. It is a never ending process with seasons of tremendous growth and times of near stagnation.

Ten things to do if you have a cult member in your family your family

1. This is NOT a family disgrace. It can happen to anybody and is really a backhanded compliment to parents who did the right thing and raised their child to be independent of them and an idealist who wants a better world.

2. Don't nag, preach or lecture to the cult victim. Chances are the cult has already told him that you will do this and that this is a sign that they are in the one true channel or on the true road to freedom or in gods true church. He will take just so much and reject the rest as persecution.

3. Guard against the holier-than-thou or martyr-like attitude. It is possible to create this impression without saying a word. An cult victims sensitivity is such that he judges other peoples attitudes toward him more by small things than by outspoken words.

4. Don't use the if-you-love-me appeal. Since the cult victim doesn't believe that you love him as much as the group does or God does anyway this won't work!!

5. Avoid any threats. There may be times when a specific action is necessary to protect under-age children but idle threats only make the cult victim believe you don't mean what you say.

6. Don't destroy their books or tapes. Usually this only pushes the cult victim further into the group and shows disrespect for their personal belongings.

7. Don't let the cult victim persuade you to join with him on the grounds that it will help you understand him better. It rarely does more than either make you angrier or gets you converted too. Wait until you are educated enough to take this step. When you are fully prepared you can then attend their meetings etc and discuss this with him rationally.

8. Don't be jealous of the cult. The tendency is to think that love of home and family is enough incentive for them to leave. It isn't. Mind control is stronger than family ties. 9. Do offer love, support and understanding to the cult victim during 20 the time in the cult, coming out of the cult and during recovery.

10. Don't expect an immediate 100% recovery when they leave. In any illness there is a period of convalescence.

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13. There may be relapses & times of tension and resentment during their grief. An excerpt from; Repairing The Soul After A Cult Janja Lalich, Ph.D Creating A New Personality All cults, no matter their stripe, are a variation on a theme, for their common denominator is the use of coercive persuasion and behaviour control without the knowledge of the person who is being manipulated.

They manage this by targeting (and eventually attacking, disassembling, and reformulating according to the cult's desired image) a person's innermost self. They take away you and give you back a cult personality, a pseudo personality.

They punish you when the old you turns up, and they reward the new you. Before you know it, you don't know who you are or how you got there; you only know (or you are trained to believe) that you have to stay there. In a cult there is only one way cults are totalitarian, a yellow brick road to serve the leader's whims and desires, be they power, sex, or money.

When I was in my cult, I so desperately wanted to believe that I had finally found the answer. Life in our society today can be difficult, confusing, daunting, disheartening, alarming, and frightening. Someone with a glib tongue and good line can sometimes appear to offer you a solution. In my case, I was drawn in by the proposed political solution to bring about social change. For someone else, the focus may be on health, diet, psychological awareness, the environment, the stars, a spirit being, or even becoming a more successful business person. The crux is that cult leaders are adept at convincing us that what they have to offer is special, real, unique, and forever and that we wouldn't be able to survive apart from the cult.

A person's sense of belief is so dear, so deep, and so powerful; ultimately it is that belief that helps bind the person to the cult. It is the glue used by the cult to make the mind manipulations stick. It is our very core, our very belief in ourself and our commitment, it is our very faith in humankind and the world that is exploited and abused and turned against us by the cults.

When a person finally breaks from a cultic Cult Watcher 21 Most people who come out of a cultic experience shy away from organized religion or any kind of organized group for some time. relationship, it is the soul, then, that is most in need of repair. When you discover one day that your guru is a fraud, that the " miracles” are no more than magic tricks, that the group's victories and accomplishments are fabrications of an internal public relations system, that your holy teacher is breaking his avowed celibacy with every young disciple, that the group's connections to people of import are nonexistent when awareness’s such as these come upon you, you are faced with what many have called a "spiritual rape.”

Whether your cultic experience was religious or secular, the realization of such enormous loss and betrayal tends to cause considerable pain. As a result, afterwards, many people are prone to reject all forms of belief. In some cases, it may take years to overcome the disillusionment, and learn not only to trust in your inner self but also to believe in something again. There is also a related difficulty: that persistent nagging feeling that you have made a mistake in leaving the groups perhaps the teachings are true and the leader is right; perhaps it is you who failed. Because cults are so clever at manipulating certain emotions and events in particular, wonder, awe, transcendence, and mystery (this is sometimes called "mystical manipulation") and because of the human desire to believe, a former cult member may grasp at some way to go on believing even after leaving the group. For this reason, many people today go from one cult to another, or go in and out of the same cultic group or relationship (known as "cult hopping"). Since every person needs something to believe in a philosophy of life, a way of being, an organized religion, a political commitment, or a combination thereof sorting out these matters of belief tends to be a major area of adjustment after a cultic experience. What to Believe in Now? Since a cult involvement is often an illfated attempt to live out some form of personal belief, the process of figuring out what to believe in once you've left the cult may be facilitated by dissecting the cult's ideological system. Do an evaluation of the group's philosophy, attitudes, and worldview; define it for yourself in your own language, not the language of the cult. Then see how this holds up against the cult's actual daily practice or what you now know about the group. 22 For some, it might be useful to go back and research the spiritual or philosophical system that you were raised in or believed in prior to the cult involvement. Through this process you will be better able to assess what is real and what is not, what is useful and what is not, what is distortion and what is not. By having a basis for comparison, you will be able to question and explore areas of knowledge or belief that were no doubt systematically closed to you while in the cult. Most people who come out of a cultic experience shy away from organized religion or any kind of organized group for some time. I generally encourage people to take their time before choosing another religious affiliation or group involvement. As with any intimate relationship, trust is reciprocal and must be earned. After a cult experience, when you wake up to face the deepest emptiness, the darkest hole, the sharpest scream of inner terror at the deception and betrayal you feel, I can only offer hope by saying that in confronting the loss, you will find the real you. And when your soul is healed, refreshed, and free of the nightmare bondage of cult lies and manipulations, the real you will find a new path, a valid path a path to freedom and wholeness. (Janja Lalich is a cult information specialist and consultant in Alameda, CA. She is co-author with Margaret Singer of Cults in Our Midst: The Hidden Menace in Our Everyday Lives (JosseyBass, 1995). Ms. Lalich is also a member of advisory committees of AFF, publisher of The Cult Observer.) (This article, slightly edited here, first appeared in CSNetwork Magazine, Spring 1996, pp. 30-33.) Recovery from Spiritual Abuse How You Can Help How You Can Help By Sharon Hilderbrant, M.A. Recently, I have read two new books that describe in detail the abusive behaviour of various churches and the effects of this abuse on church members. Churches That Abuse, by Ron Enroth, and Damaged Disciples (in press), by Ron and Vicki Burks, both published by Zondervan, relate stories that may be hard for some Christians to believe. Those of us who work with the victims, however, know the stories are true. Churches on the fringe exist in every major metropolitan area as well as in small towns and isolated rural areas. Some are large, "mega-church" organizations, while some may be small house-church gatherings. Most of them look fairly normal to outsiders. That is, until abused persons begin to leave and tell of their experiences. Getting out of the group is only the beginning of recovery. Recovery involves, Cult Watcher 23 according to one survivor, getting "the group out of us." The effects of abuse are long-standing. The following outlines how Christians can help the spiritually abused in their recovery. Trust: Most survivors will have much trouble trusting. Anyone. Especially churches. A support system is desperately needed, but survivors will have difficulty approaching. Help with material needs (housing, job, food, etc.) is usually much appreciated. Social support via invitations to events or dinner, or just a conversation about something other than church or religious issues is very much needed. Therefore, a safe place for confidentiality, a place to be relaxed without expectations of appearances or performance, a place to connect with another caring person (or persons) without becoming too involved in private lives, is needed. A dysfunctional don’t trust rule was present in the system, by teaching, by practice, or both. Don’t push for trust. Don’t push the recovery process. Respect their boundaries. Talk: Survivors need to tell their story. So they will remember it themselves, and not deny any part of it. So they can be validated by others who believe them. So they can use the truth to dispel the deceptions of the past and discern deception in the future. The dysfunctional system no doubt had a don’t talk rule by practice—but probably spiritualized and cloaked in scripture as well.

 The don’t talk rule serves to hide a myriad of the leaders’ sins.

Emotion: It is normal for anyone who has been victimized and abused to feel intense emotions. The longer the survivors had to endure abuse without an outlet for emotions, the longer it will take for them to experience the full range of emotions about it. Depression and anxiety are common masks for other emotions. Too much intellectualizing may inhibit the survivor from getting in touch with his or her emotions. Fear, guilt, anger, grief, rage, sorrow—all must be felt and expressed in their own time.

An over spiritualizing of emotions may have been present in the dysfunctional system, with certain emotions demanded and others condemned by a twisting of scripture. The result is a don’t feel your real feelings rule. Truth: Encourage survivors to talk about what happened to them. Listen. Empathize. Offer words that may describe what the person is feeling, since they may not be able to identify it themselves at first. Limit feedback and comments to supportive statements.

Keep confidentiality.

Be trustworthy.

Who am I?

Survivors typically do not know who they are anymore.

They lost themselves in the church/cult. They need to know they are lovable. Count them as equal to yourself— not less just because they are needy. Assure them they do not have to be perfect. Accept them as they are. Encourage them. Build confidence, offer choices. Allow them to have strengths and weaknesses. They need to know that they are not evil or possessed, not crazy, not shameful. They need to know that they are not powerless and that they can recover and grow beyond this experience. Don’t make decisions for them and don’t try to fix them. Let them know you speak for yourself. Be careful of speaking for God. Tell them recovery takes a long time—2 to 4 years, or longer. What about the group? It is critical that survivors know that God is not the group. Leaving the group is not equivalent to leaving God.

They must hear that no group has exclusive truth, or is the elite, or is especially anointed over another for ministry of the gospel. (It is the gospel that is anointed!) They also need to recognize that group leaders actually deceived people, used and abused people, twisted scripture, and fostered co-dependent and/or addictive behaviours (perhaps immoral behaviour, too) among members. Be gentle as you interpret what was hurtful and wrong in the group.

Remember, they probably have left behind some people that are still dear to their hearts and do not wish to blame them. Information about co-dependency and dysfunctional families and other institutions at this stage may be helpful in confronting denial. Save Bible reading until the individual is ready to grapple with it in small doses. What is God really like? Just as survivors lost themselves in the group, so did they lose reality about who God is. They need to have grace explained in depth and to examine God’s attributes carefully. The long process of recovery involves continually uncovering misrepresentations of God conveyed by the words and behaviour of group leaders, parents and other authority figures. Survivors will need to be reminded again and again of the true attributes of God and the principle of grace. Be genuine. Be personal. Explain how scripture helps you to understand God’s attributes. If you have received grace, you can speak confidently about it.

Tell what you love about God. God’s people: To become reconciled to God requires reconciliation with God’s people. Many who begin to trust God again have much more difficulty trusting people in any church. It helps to confront the truth Cult Watcher 25 about God’s people with statements similar to the following:

Leaders are not more favoured by God over others in the church.

All struggle spiritually, even leaders.

All are in various stages of growth (no instant spirituality).

All make mistakes, none are infallible.

All can learn to hear God’s voice for themselves—no need to remain spiritual children who must submit to parental leaders.

All need each other—none are needless.

All have something to give and are valuable to God.

All—leaders and lay persons—are called to live by the same standards.

All need to have their own relationship with God apart from the involvement of other believers—including spouses.

The church is not just one building or one gathering, but believers everywhere. Be honest: Be honest about yourself and your own church. Admit your own inability to have all the answers. The truth will not hinder their relationship with God. Remember it is the Holy Spirit’s job to draw them to Himself. Your admission of struggle may help them to learn to struggle and not give up. Going to church: Survivors may need help working through memories and emotions triggered by going to church. Continually point them to God Himself. It is not God who has violated them, but people—some well intended and some deceptive. Help survivors to see that Christians are individuals—imperfect—not to be put on pedestals, but to share in the struggles and the benefits of the Christian faith. Help them to recognize the distorted thinking—about themselves, about God, etc.—that accompanies traumatic reactions. This is a good time to use the safety and authority of scripture to confront the deception created by the group, and to soothe and console. A trained counsellor may be needed for this part of recovery. Untwisting Scripture: All survivors will need help working through memories and feelings triggered by scripture. Scripture was twisted to the advantage of the group or its leaders. True meanings of Scripture are healing and give life. Untwisting takes much work. Make no assumptions of what they know or understand. Challenge every concept, all usage of jargon and Bible language for clarification of what it means to them. They may assume you know their understanding of a phrase, as if there is only one way to interpret it. Respect their spiritual boundaries. Be sure they are ready to grapple with scripture. (It is 26 Untitled Poem Untitled Poem by P.M.K. So you struggle with the sorrow of the time which they have borrowed and you wonder how they ever took your mind. But it’s my heart that had been taken and all the dreams that I’d been making were the luring and prophetic hopes sublime. Now I wander through uncertainty, an emptiness called liberty, Not knowing what to grasp and what to shun. Good and right within myself throw countless pages back upon the shelf. No easy answers, but it seems a new life has begun normal to avoid reading the Bible at all for 12-18 months or more.) Conclusion: The recovery process I have just outlined takes a long time. One-on-one support is a long-term commitment. More helpful is a group support system, where all are assisting survivors in various aspects. Create a network of Christians who will assist with material needs, who will provide financial assistance to attend community events (or a couples’ weekend, or a family camp) for rest and recreation, who will assist with filling out tax forms, or who will advise on how to buy a good used car. Help them obtain medical care or tutor their children to bring them up to grade level. Provide information that will help them learn (or re-learn) how to function, without fear or shame, in the larger society. Lend them self-help books to read. Help with professional counselling as needed.

Be available as a friend in a small group of friends. (Isn’t that how Jesus would do it?) Cult Watcher 27 Useful Links: Australia:

www.cultinfo.org.au Cult Information Service Brisbane QLD.

www.cultcounselling.org Melbourne / Raphael Aaron

www.ccgm.org.au Concerned Christian Growth Ministries

www.caic.org.au Cult Awareness and information Centre This is a non active site but has a lot of information on all cults primarily Jehovah’s witnesses.

www.pnc.com.au/~fichrist Free in Christ Ministries Primarily for ex Jehovah’s Witnesses

www.users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm Little Pebble site detailing the path to prosecution. A NSW District Court found William Kamm, self-proclaimed prophet, 56, guilty of five counts of sexual intercourse with a person under the age of 16 under his authority and one count of committing an act of indecency. International:

www.apologeticsindex.org Primarily a Christian site with comprehensive news coverage as well as many informative articles

www.csj.org cultic studies journal The International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA) is an interdisciplinary network of academicians, professionals, former group members, and families who study and educate the public about social-psychological influence and control, authoritarianism, and zealotry in cultic groups, alternative movements, and other environments. Founded in 1979 as AFF (American Family Foundation), ICSA took on its current name in late 2004 to better reflect the organization's focus and increasingly international and scholarly dimensions.

www.culticstudiesreview.org Cultic Studies Review Cultic Studies Review:

An Internet Journal of Research, News & Opinion (CSR) is a triannual periodical published by AFF (American Family Foundation).

www.macgregorministries.org Macgregor Ministries Mainly a Christian perspective on how various cults differ from orthodox Christianity.

www.exfamily.org Ex Children of God Comprehensive site on COG with their own publications online as well as chat boards for ex members.

www.movingon.org Children of the Children of God a web site that cites the abuses in the COG it has chat boards and ways to connect with former members.

www.germany.info/relaunch/info/archives/backgr ound/scientology.html Understanding the German View of Scientology

www.rickross.com Rick Ross Another very informative site with news & articles on all cults

http://jonestown.sdsu.edu Memorial site to the tradgedy of Jonestown & the Peoples Temple

www.factnet.org Informative site with news and information as well as discussion boards has discussion board on Twelve Tribes community

www.xenutv.com Scientlogy

www.twelvetribes-ex.org/ Twelve Tribes

www.criticalthinking.org You guessed it, a website on critical thinking.

www.refocus.org Recovering Former Cultists' Support Network

www.regainnetwork.org Livia Bardin ReGAIN's mission is to outreach, unite and support those touched or adversely affected by the Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi Movement. Past and present members and all those who quest for justice and truth, resolution and healing are invited to join in this endeavor.

 

 www.wellspringretreat.org A live in centre offering programmes for recovery from abusive groups and relationships.

www.meadowhaven.org Bob and Judy Pardon run a centre for recovery. Massachusis USA

www.zimbardo.com/ Site contains comments on political psychology of terrorists, video of Prison Experiment and other psychology articles. 28 You might be in the wrong Church If…

The Bible they use is the Dr. Seuss version. • The scripture lesson is on "Jonah the Shepherd Boy and His Ark of Many Colours.''

The preacher is wearing a ''David Koresh Rules!'' Tshirt.

The ushers passing around the offering basket are wearing ski masks. • The choir wears black leather robes.

The Elders Council meetings usually break up in a fight for the remote control.

The church picnic will be held at KFC this year.

The church bus has a gun rack.

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?326587-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-11/page23

11-01-2017  PrimeSuspect 

Originally Posted by bintang28

Grok I can't find anything on her either but I found this post from the gary hughes blogs 26/07/07 ...

Christine Michelle Schipp 18/03/02 from Northbridge 

Judy Maringu 01/05/03 also Northbrige
Phantom 62 
Does your murder line incorporate Karrinyup where the latest women to go missing is Ann Patricia Ranoldi 27/06/07 posted on the 3/07/07 http://www.police.wa.gov.au 

Also another person went missing in Collie in 1987 

Lisa Joyce Scultz (blonde) 

Pauline Walter went missing 1980, found in 1986 
Her headless skeletal remains in a ditch at Forrestdale after missing from a backpackers hostel in Perth. Her remains were identified in 1995 with new DNA technology.
Hatice Gurbuz 18 year old went missing from Maddington 
missing since: january 15, 2004

Add to this -

Kerry Turner, 18, disappeared from Victoria Park on June 30, 1991, after a night out with friends. Her body was found in bush near Canning Dam a month later.

Julie Cutler, 22, disappeared after a staff party at the Parmelia Hilton in 1988 and her car was found overturned in the ocean about 50m off Cottesloe beach two days later.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...fab42344cef211

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #11

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?326587-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-11/page63

13-01-2017 rhythymz 

Originally Posted by GreenE

So are you suggesting a WCE defeat is a trigger for an unplanned rape and murder or was there a plan? Did WCE play in Jan when SS disappeared?

15 February 1988 final days play in Aust v Sri Lanka test match at the WACA - Aust won by an innings and 108 runs

Same day

February 15, 1988 - 18-year-old woman indecently assaulted in her sleep during break-in at a Gay Street, Huntingdale home

19 June 1988, Sydney 14.20 (104) d West Coast 8.13 (61) SCG

Early the next morning

Julie Cutler last seen 12:30am 20 June 1988

30 June 1991, West Coast 21.11 (137) d St Kilda 14.9 (93), Subiaco Oval

Same day

Kerry Turner last seen 5am June 30 1991 – BRE’s father’s birthday

New Year Eve

Same day

Saturday January 1 Claremont Subway Attack

February 12 1995 scratch match West Coast v Sydney, Leederville Oval

Same day

Sunday February 12 1995 Karrakatta attack.

Australia Day fireworks, 26 January 1996

Early next morning

Sarah Spiers (18) called taxi 2:06am Sat Jan 27 1996

AFL Pre-season DERBY, West Coast 10.11 (71) d Fremantle 7.15 (57) Sunday, 25 Feb 1996, Darwin

Tenuous connection - five days later

Church Lane - Women bashed and indecently assaulted Sunday March 3 1996 at 2:00am

9 June 1996, West Coast 19.16 (130) d Adelaide 11.10 (76), Football Park

A few hours before the game

Jane Rimmer last seen Sunday June 9 1996 12:04am

15 March 1997 scratch match West Coast 19.8 (122) d Brisbane 7.6 (48), Waverley Park

A few hours before the game

Ciara Glennon last seen 00:15am Saturday March 15, 1997

4 July, 1997 Adelaide 16.10 (106) d West Coast 4.7 (31), Football Park

A few hours before the game

Corinna Marr murdered in Adelaide at approximately 3:30 pm 4 July 1997

16 March, 2002 scratch match West Coast v Kangaroos, Subiaco Oval

Day and a half later

18 March 2002, Christine Michelle Schipp last seen Northbridge

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13-01-2017 Mazfrank

Originally Posted by Sutton 

Thanks for coming off that secret information. Where was it on the drawing? (I mean, it's not on the drawing, but where should it be in there?) And can you tell us how you know (you worked there, your gf worked there, etc.)?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...9#post12179799

Sorry I was away and missed this message. Your map is wrong, but if you pull up google maps you'll get the roof view and the small car park behind. There was access out the back of the hotel.
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13-01-2017 ShellyGale 

Not so sure she's close to home either. Either a coincidence or a pattern formed that Jane and Ciara were found nearly exactly 19kms (give or take 1 or 2 that I can figure) from the furtherest Telstra Exchange north and south of Claremont. So maybe, just maybe Sarah will be somewhere 19 kms give or take off the Great Eastern Highway east of Mundaring - along the Powerline Run looks like a pretty good spot actually. The chances are virtually zero of me stumbling over anything I realise that but heading that way anyway so if I don't at least have a quick look, will probably regret it. If my daughter was missing, I would hope that people would keep looking for her regardless of how silly their calculations might seem. 

 Originally Posted by TheSecondLaw

I didn't see anyone else ask this yet, but would you like to divulge the location you are interested in checking out ShellyGale?

Regarding the speculation that SS may be close to home for BRE as per 1996, anything is possible but I'm not so sure. If the MO was the same as with JR and CG (i.e. dumped in bushes very close to isolated, low-traffic roads), then it's almost guaranteed that SS would have been found by now. Bushland close to residential developments is far more likely to be frequented (for one thing) by explorative kids in the neighbourhood, making 'hideouts' using branches and that kind of thing.

If it's the same BRE who was playing indoor cricket at Canning Vale back in the mid 90's, I wonder how familiar he was with the area between that and his line of work? Just past the industrial zone, Canning Vale was still largely bushland, hobby farms and nurseries back then. Jandakot however still retains a lot of undeveloped land over the water mound, and in semi-rural areas such as the kennel zones.

On the other hand, if SS was dumped in a similarly isolated location as with JR / CG, she would be within meters of a road, whether semi-rural or in one of the nearby national parks. How likely is it that an unburied body, covered by foliage could remain undiscovered so close to a road for two decades and counting? Could natural processes such as growing foliage, moving topsoil and animal activity have long since ruined any chance of stumbling across any bones or clothing fragments after all this time?

13-01-2017 DingDing7 

 Originally Posted by Chicaletta 

Softball was Langford and cricket was canningvale

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Chicaletta - what years for Softball-Langford and Cricket-Canningvale?

13-01-2017 ShellyGale

I have him pegged as a cross dresser actually, wearing the womens lingerie he steals off clotheslines.

Originally Posted by BReVeTTe

The first proper photo I saw of the alleged was the one taken with CGE.
What struck me most - aside from his huge frame - was the feminine appearance of his cheeks and that innocent-looking, butter wouldn't melt in its mouth, pouty little smile.

The term "insipid' came to mind.

13-01-2017 DingDing7 

Originally Posted by BReVeTTe 

The first proper photo I saw of the alleged was the one taken with CGE.

I thought, "I wonder if he's the killer - can't really form an opinion until/unless I talk to him" LOL

Then I wondered if he seemed like any of the other killers I've met! Surprisingly enough the one he reminded me of the most (at the time) was that MaCartney fellah from Northampton.

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13-01-2017  Ellwood

Originally Posted by jessicalouise 

I find it so interesting that on one hand he appeared very average and suburban with his LA involvement and recreational community sport playing and on the other he seemed to be very into goth stuff, gaming, dark music. Not that the two are mutually exclusive but it's almost as though there's an image he's trying to portray and the other is a deeper look into his soul and what's going on in his head. It is not a stretch to imagine him leading two lives.

Long time lurker, first time poster...I've seen this reference to goth music or dark music before, and after looking at his music likes I had a little laugh as some of it is not so different to my own. I grew up in the western suburbs, went to school in the western suburbs, partied in the western suburbs.. cott, OBH, cagneys (as the conti was called in my underage drinking days), club bay view, the swannie, Steve's, silver slipper, uwa tavern and on and on the list goes... I am the same vintage as BRE... and I can tell you that bands like the Cure were highly popular and not really considered gothic (they actually started in the late 70s punk era), often were played at the venues listed. The Cure actually made it into the Top 20 in Australia in the 80s, so I would actually call them mainstream.. and they were... not enough goths in Australia to get any band into the Top 20! I think you are looking for things in his music taste that just aren't there... they were very much part of popular culture and very much a part of popular culture in the western suburbs and beyond. The only one that stands out to me is Simply Red lol... To be honest, I've never understood the view that anything "goth" was suspicious... I was never a goth by any means, but they were always part of the alternative/indy music scene and on the periphery of many of my circles of friends. Like all subcultures, goths were often considered a little strange, and there were probably 1 or 2 bad eggs just like within any group but I don't think being a goth or liking goth music really means anything about an individual's propensity to commit horrific acts

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11-01-2017 ShellyGale

Nobody's suggeting that BE is taking steroids NOW. The pertinent time frame is when he was sexually motivated to hunt and kill young women It's a fit

 Originally Posted by SN76

Agreeee

11-01-2017 lsdmongre 

 Originally Posted by Ringos

Definitely both have the widows peak hair at the front and same fullness of hair. 

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Can't see clearly buthis collar doesn't seem up like mm. Isn't it weird as well his face has no features could this have been deliberately blanked or erased or is that just the quality of film / lack of pixels.
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11-01-2017 firestarter #

Can someone enlighten me on the relevance of discussing 
Man Boobs, bags ,MM , Steroids and all the other irrelevant posts. 
Surely our focus should be on his living arrangements at the time SS went missing and the possible scenarios on her whereabouts. 
He has been charged with wilful Murder on 2 counts. 
It's now up to the police to prove those facts. 
Our sleuthing should IMHO be on locating SS. 

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Can someone enlighten me on the relevance of discussing 
Man Boobs, bags ,MM , Steroids and all the other irrelevant posts. 
Surely our focus should be on his living arrangements at the time SS went missing and the possible scenarios on her whereabouts. 
He has been charged with wilful Murder on 2 counts. 
It's now up to the police to prove those facts. 
Our sleuthing should IMHO be on locating SS. 


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Originally Posted by meticulously 

Some recent posts got deleted ? 

Yes, I think that's because we had a very nasty poster so all posts removed to do with that "person"

11-01-2017 CuriousChum 

Ok I have an out there theory...doubt I even believe it but its an idea.

What if there were 2 csk's corresponding discreetly and either competing or working together to get their victims. 
The police were extremely positive about LW the other suspect. ..what if when the cops got onto him....BRE shut down. Does this fit timeline? Probably rediculous on my part.

11-01-2017 lsdmongre

Originally Posted by DaisyGirl66 

Found this pic of BE from 2006 on the Kewdale LAC website a couple of days ago (via Internet Archive Wayback Machine). He was part of a winning parent 4 x 100m relay team at some athletics meet. Looks pretty fit here and could obviously run a bit. His ex-wife CGE was in the team too (other faces / names blocked for privacy reasons). Also, I can't get back into that webpage now on the Wayback Machine (blockages in place?) and didn't screen shot the homepage but for what it's worth I noticed the club's website at that time (2006) was designed by 'Metamorphosis Design'. Was BE the website designer at that time? Interesting choice of name perhaps? (MOO)
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I think it was just a free template site for websites check link below sorry if this has already been posted still catching up on the last 24 hours of posts �.

http://www.metamorphozis.com/

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11-01-2017  PrimeSuspect 

Originally Posted by bintang28

Grok I can't find anything on her either but I found this post from the gary hughes blogs 26/07/07 ...

Christine Michelle Schipp 18/03/02 from Northbridge 

Judy Maringu 01/05/03 also Northbrige
Phantom 62 
Does your murder line incorporate Karrinyup where the latest women to go missing is Ann Patricia Ranoldi 27/06/07 posted on the 3/07/07 http://www.police.wa.gov.au 

Also another person went missing in Collie in 1987 

Lisa Joyce Scultz (blonde) 

Pauline Walter went missing 1980, found in 1986 
Her headless skeletal remains in a ditch at Forrestdale after missing from a backpackers hostel in Perth. Her remains were identified in 1995 with new DNA technology.
Hatice Gurbuz 18 year old went missing from Maddington 
missing since: january 15, 2004

Add to this -

Kerry Turner, 18, disappeared from Victoria Park on June 30, 1991, after a night out with friends. Her body was found in bush near Canning Dam a month later.

Julie Cutler, 22, disappeared after a staff party at the Parmelia Hilton in 1988 and her car was found overturned in the ocean about 50m off Cottesloe beach two days later.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...fab42344cef211

Donald Morey

Donal Morey is a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle, a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003

Violent attacker is suspect in murders

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/violent-attacker-is-suspect-in-murders-ng-ya-141907

Violent attacker is suspect in murders

LUKE ELIOT

Monday, November 07, 2011

Donald Morey

A street prostitute who narrowly survived a brutal bashing at the hands of a sexual deviant who is suspected of being involved in two unsolved suspected murders says she is still haunted by the chilling attack and believes her assailant may have killed other women.

In her first media interview since the December 2003 attack, the woman, who did not want her name published, described crawling through a swamp and scaling a 2.4m high concrete wall in a bid to escape.

"I know there are other girls who aren't as lucky as I was," the woman said.

In September 2005, career criminal Donald Victor Morey was convicted after trial of attempted murder.

In handing down a 13-year jail term, Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Miller accepted the prosecutor's submission that there was no sexual motive to Morey's crime as he was impotent at the time.

"This woman was a random target and . . . it was predatory conduct on your part," Justice Miller said. "It was a premeditated offence, that you planned to take her to a remote area and it was not the case that you voluntarily desisted from what you were doing."

Morey's appeals were dismissed and he remains behind bars.

He is a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle, a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003, and to the disappearance of Sarah McMahon, a 20-year-old Parkerville woman who has not been seen leaving her Claremont workplace exactly 11 years ago today. Her vehicle was found at Swan District Hospital. Morey denies involvement in both cases but admits he knew Ms McMahon.

Ms Ugle's body was found in April 2003 near Mundaring Weir - a short distance from Morey's Chidlow home and from the Helena Valley street where he took his December 2003 victim. The two prostitutes knew each other.

"We don't think it is going to happen to us but I didn't put two and two together," the prostitute who escaped said.

"I'm not a dumb girl. I have good instincts and he was good enough to make me go against my instincts."

She said she felt uneasy getting into Morey's car that night in December 2003 but accepted $900 to have sex with him.

"I think he might have panicked because I realised he was going around in circles," she said.

"He calmly pulled his car over to the side of the road and he already had rope wrapped around his hand when he turned his car off."

Morey tried to place the rope over the woman's neck but she put her back against the passenger door and repeatedly kicked him.

"I fell out backwards and hit the kerb with my back," she said.

"He dived out over the top of me and I got him in the face with my feet. I think that dazed him a little bit. I crawled to the back of the car and he followed me.

"He was punching into me for about 15 minutes and I was screaming. I climbed on to the back of his car . . . to try not to let him get me back into the car again."

The woman managed to climb a high wall and stumble through a swampy area.

"I was screaming," she said. Morey eventually got back in his car and drove off.

The woman said the attack changed her life.

"I couldn't walk out in the street at night," she said.

"If I see someone who looks like him I jump a little, even though I know he is in jail."

Fate of Australian doomsday internet cult family from Nannup, Western Australia remains mystery

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/fate-of-australian-doomsday-internet-cult-family-from-nannup-western-australia-remains-mystery/news-story/838f1baa6a6d069e3033df8b57ce88ee

DECEMBER 5, 20152:49PM

From left: Chantelle McDougall, internet doomsday cult leader Simon Kadwill, aka Gary Feltham, Tony Popic and Leela, six

Marnie O’Neillnews.com.au

THE second last time Bruce Blackburn set eyes on Simon Kadwill before he disappeared with his young family and their male lodger in 2007, he was surprised at Kadwill’s “calm and relaxed” mood.

Surprised because on previous occasions when he’d encountered his neighbour, Kadwill had been a hot, paranoid mess, “ranting and raving” about electromagnetic fields and getting so worked up he’d break out in hives.

Life next door to the strange Englishman had become difficult in recent months due to Kadwill’s extreme reaction to plans by utilities company Western Power to install a nearby power pole with a transformer.

Kadwill, 45, moved into the rented property in tiny Nannup, Western Australia, with his much younger girlfriend Chantelle McDougall and the couple’s daughter Leela, six, about three years earlier. Their friend, 42-year-old Tony Popic lived in a caravan parked outside the house.

42-year-old Tony Popic lived in a caravan parked outside the house.

Locals were familiar with Kadwill’s noisy tirades about some sort of conspiracy against Leela and himself by diverting electromagnetic waves towards their home, but put it down to eccentricity.

What they didn’t know at the time was their strange but undeniably charismatic neighbour was operating an internet doomsday cult called the Truth Fellowship, which had roughly 40 followers worldwide.

Devotees referred to themselves collectively as “The Forecourt” and would meet online in a forum called The Gateway where Kadwill went by the username “Si”. The group’s “Bible” was a book Kadwill had written called Servers of the Divine Plan which prophesied the birth of a new world of higher consciousness at the end of a 75,000-year cycle.

Missing mother and daughter Chantelle and Leela McDougall, who were aged 28 and six respectively when they disappeared from Western Australia in 2007.

Leela McDougall was just six years old when she vanished Western Australia along with her mother Chantelle McDougall, her cult leader father Simon Kadwill and family friend Tony Popic eight years ago.Source:Supplied

Missing cult member Tony Popic lived in a caravan outside the family’s rented home in Nannup, WA, in an undated photo.Source:Supplied

Friends and acquaintances would later recall Kadwill’s habit of staying up all night on the internet hunched over his computer and then sleeping all day.

Afer the family became the subject of a national, then international police search, his cult ties emerged along with the revelation that “Simon Kadwill” was actually Gary Feltham. According to investigators, Feltham had stolen the identity of a former associate in the 1990s.

In a 2008 interview with The Australian, Blackburn’s anecdote about the transformer painted a picture of a Jeckyll and Hyde character plagued by irrational fears.

“Simon was paranoid about electromagnetic fields,” Blackburn, who is an electrician, told journalist Tony Barrass. “He was always ranting and raving about them, up to the point where he was breaking out in hives and his face looked as if it was about to burst, it was so red. This went on for four months.

“He began burying a heap of magnets around the place because he believed they diverted these rays away from him. I went up there once and he was yelling at Tony [Popic], who was digging away in the backyard, trying to find the magnets, which he couldn’t.

“The second last time I saw him he was covered in hives. He said they were killing him and his daughter, and he had gone to the doctor to get some sort of medication. He and Tony were off the planet.”

To make matter worse, Western Power had contracted Mr Blackburn to carry out the installation and he’d spent a long time explaining to Kadwill that the emissions from the transformer were less harmful than those gernerated by his computer.

“It was my job to connect it, but I rang Western Power and told them that I wasn’t going to do it because I firmly believed that if I did, this bloke was going to top himself. You’ve got no idea how worked up about it he was.”

One day in July 2007, Kadwill, McDougall, Leela and Popic drove away from their Nannup residence forever, leaving behind wallets, credit cards and dirty plates on the table. A note scrawled with the words “Gone to Brazil” was found stuck to the front door by their landlord a few days later.

Internet doomsday cult leader Simon Kadwill, aka Gary Feltham.Source:Supplied

Chantelle McDougall was a sometime employee at this fish and chip shop in Nannup

The last official sighting of the four was on July 13, 2007 in the WA town of Busselton where they sold a car to a local dealer for $4000 and drove away in a waiting vehicle. Popic’s father Joe told police he had recently given his son $25,000 to take care of what he had believed to be a “legal matter”.

Police initially thought that they may have sneaked out of the country to New Zealand before travelling to Rio Branco, a Brazilian city known for its religious cults that both McDougall and Kadwill mentioned in conversation before they vanished.

However, immigration authorities have no record of the group leaving the country and their bank accounts have remained untouched, raising fears the four were dead, possibly even murdered.

In 2011 the investigation took a dramatic turn when it emerged police were trying to find out whether the four had been aboard a domestic flight in Brazil which crashed four days after they went missing, killing all 192 on board.

The Tan Airlines flight 3054 from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo veered off the end of the runway at Sao Paulo Airport, cleared a highway bordering the inner-city airport, slammed into a fuel depot and burst into flames. The resulting heat was so intense that more than 70 of the bodies were so badly burnt they were either never recovered or could not be identified.

Eventually, a joint investigation between Australian and Brazilian authorities concluded the four had not perished on the flight.

House where Kadwill and his family lived in WA.Source:News Limited

In 2013 Detective Senior Sergeant Greg Balfour announced a possible break in the case: Investigaters had discovered that a man using Mr Popic’s identification stayed at a Northbridge hostel called Underground Backpackers on the night of July 15, 2007. His driver’s licence with his photo was also used as identification to rent the double room.

The same man travelled by train from Bunbury to Perth earlier that afternoon before catching a 7.15am train to Kalgoorlie the next morning. Both tickets had been purchased in the name J Roberts. There was no evidence to suggest Chantelle and Leela McDougall had been on the same train.

The man could have been Popic but it was also possible Kadwill, with his history of identity theft, had posed as his friend, police said. An appeal to the public for anyone who may have seen the man produced no further leads.

Today, the group’s fate remains as much of a mystery as it was the day they disappeared.

Sr Sergeant Balfour told news.com.au that he had followed up the Rio Branco clue, establishing contact with a new age religious group who had lived on the city’s fringe since the early ’80s.

“This group hasn’t seen or heard of anyone resembling the description (of Kadwill, the McDougalls or Popic) settling in Rio Branco and I believe they are established enough to know whether that had been the case.” he said yesterday.

Popic’s caravan out the front of Kadwill’s house.Source:News Limited

“This case is truly a mystery. It’s such a bizarre story and we have as little an idea of their whereabouts today as we did in 2007 when they disappeared.”

The detective refused to say if he believed Kadwill to be capable of murder.

“You can’t rule the possibility out but there’s no evidence to suggest they are dead just as there’s no evidence to suggest they are alive, “ he said.

“We know that Tony was very protective of Chantelle and Leela but we also know they were obedient, submissive to Kadwill. He had a very persuasive way of talking and I think if he had suggested something they would have gone along with it.

“Remember, he sucessfully isolated Chantelle and Tony from their families so it’s perfectly possible they are alive, living off the grid somewhere in Australia or overseas. There are other ways to leave the country, they could have left by boat, or on a yacht.

“There are so many possibilities, so many uncertainties. Even the facts raise more questions than answers.”

Anyone with information about the whereabouts of Chantelle and Leela McDougall, Tony Popic or Simon Kadwill, aka Simon Kaddy aka Gary Feltham, can contact CrimeStoppers on 1800 333 00

International hunt for cult 'guru' over Nannup family disappearance

  by Aja Style
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/international-hunt-for-cult-guru-over-nannup-family-disappearance-20110525-1f4dm.html

One of Western Australia's greatest mysteries has gained international exposure as Australian Federal Police try to re-ignite new leads into the case of missing Nannup mother Chantelle McDougall and her daughter Leela.

The 30-year-old and her six-year-old daughter went missing in October 2007, together with partner Gary Feldman, 45, and friend Antonio Popic, 40.


Chantelle McDougall, 30, her daughter Leela, 6, together with partner Gary Feldman (bottom right), 45, and friend Antonio Popic, 40, went missing in October 2007. 

Mr Feldman was only ever known in Australia as Simon Kadwell, a false alias he picked up from England before emigrating in 2000. He was also Leela's father.

Since their disappearance, he has been linked to a sect based on a doomsday book called Servers of the Divine Plan, which calls on "servers" to take up their positions on Earth before the world's imminent end and rebirth.

The family and their lodger, Mr Popic, who lived in a caravan on their South-West property, mysteriously vanished, leaving behind wallets, credit cards and dirty plates on the table.

They were last seen in a Busselton car yard north of Nannup heading towards Perth, where they sold Ms McDougall's car for $4000. The money remains untouched in her bank account.

Ms McDougall's parents, Jim and Cathy McDougall, have not given up hope of finding their daughter and granddaughter safe and well, but remain convinced it was Mr Feldman who persuaded them to disappear.

"Originally this guy - Gary Feldman, as we know him now - claimed to be some sort of religious guru and he enticed them into his little flock that way," Mr McDougall said.

"(It) was September two years ago that we found he was English, and his parents were from England, and he had taken money off people, and that his name was Gary Feldman, and the real Simon Kadwell was quite a nice guy in England."

He said his daughter was a vulnerable and naive teenager when she met Mr Feldman in Victoria.

"He was operating in Melbourne when Chantelle met 'Simon Kadwell', if you want to call him that. Chantelle was only a teenager, only 16 or 17. She's 30 now," Mr McDougall said.

"That guy had other young girls with children and when they moved over there (to WA) she went over to help with the kids and it went on from there.

Gary Feldman, as we know him now, claimed to be some sort of religious guru and he enticed them into his little flock that way.

"I think she was fairly naive in believing in what this guy was telling her."

Mr McDougall thought they may have travelled to Brazil, after Ms McDougall suggested the family was planning a holiday there months before they disappeared. But there has been no evidence to show the group left Australia.

"We did a bit of work but everything we found was a dead end, in the end. So we never really got anywhere ... we couldn't find any reason about where they had been, where they had gone, so there was just no clues to help to find them," Mr McDougall said.

"It is unresolved and completely strange but also it is very frustrating for us and the police and Missing Persons and everybody because there are four people missing, not just one person missing."

AFP Missing Persons Co-ordination Centre team leader Rebecca Kotz agreed, saying: "This case is so baffling to police because there are no leads."

Investigators have so far worked with WA Police, Scotland Yard and US authorities. However this week, as a part of Missing Person's Week, they have stepped up the campaign by involving the global missing children network, which has 19 member countries.

"All of the profiles that are submitted (to the International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children), of which Leela was one of our Australian profiles, will be featured all around the world," Ms Kotz said.

She said the centre has started a Facebook page this year which includes every profile on AFP's website

helpbringthemhome.org.au
.

Although Ms McDougall and her daughter's physical appearances may have changed, her parents say the pair was unlikely to go unnoticed.

"Leela was very loud child, she wasn't quiet and she loved to know exactly what you were doing.," Mrs McDougall said.

"She would go up and talk to different people and ask them what they were doing and she loved to dance, play little jokes and that.

"So I don't know how you would keep a child like that quiet, you would notice her, and Chantelle was always a very kind, thoughtful and caring sort of person.

"She liked to joke too and she was happy and things like that, and if she was in a community people would notice her."

Although they still visited WA to see Mr Popic's family - who were too traumatised by the disappearance to speak publicly - they could no longer bring themselves to go to Nannup, saying it was "too heartbreaking".

"It never gets any easier. You always relive it every day of your life, every day it gets a little bit harder," Mr McDougall said.

 

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/international-hunt-for-cult-guru-over-nannup-family-disappearance-20110525-1f4dm.html


               Missing and Murdered in Australia in the  1970's and 80's                     

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/MissingMurdered70s80s.htm

Serial killers have been somewhat glamourised by TV and movies and it's easy to think of them as fictional characters. Sadly they are a reality and many missing persons it is believed have tragically lost their lives at the hands of these people.

In Australia, through many years of research of missing persons cases I can see certain patterns with the missing that may indicate a serial killer. The most evident is the large numbers of young mainly females who were either found murdered or are still missing in the 1970's and early 1980's in NSW and also QLD. It's possible it's the work of one person or one gang as has been suggested recently in the media, or it may be more than one. A certain infamous NSW serial killer already behind bars for several murders of backpackers has his name mentioned in connection with almost every missing person from this time frame but we must keep an open mind about it.

Please also be aware of a large number (around 14) of abductions and rapes that occurred at the same time on the Northern Beaches of Sydney - for obvious reasons those names don't appear here but they must be added into the whole picture.

What I have done here is prepared a timeline of missing and murdered persons from the 70's and 80's - this is to make people aware of just how many there were, what a large area they cover and to appeal for any information that may assist in solving these crimes. I am NOT saying all these cases are connected, the aim of this is to present all the cases to assist in investigating them.

If you have any information, on behalf of the families of these people I am begging you to call Crimestoppers - 1800 333 
 Anita CUNNINGHAM -Missing 1972

 Robin Hoinville-Bartram- Murdered 1972

  Gabriel Jahnke   murdered 1973

  Michelle Riley murderd in 1972


 Trudie ADAMS missing  in 1978

Michelle POPE    missing 1978



  Monica ROMEYN missing 1984






missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/a/l/albert%20petronella%20-%20wa.aspx

WA: Man in court over murder of massage parlour worker

http://formyassetmanagement.blogspot.ie/2012/03/wa-man-in-court-over-murder-of-massage.html

WA: Man in court over murder of massage parlour worker

A 24-year-old man has appeared in a Perth court charged with the murder of a massageparlour worker who disappeared three years ago.

DENNIS IAN BELL was not required to enter a plea in the Perth magistrate's Court over the murder of 23-year-old JENNIFER WILBY, who disappeared in May 1999.

The charge against BELL followed the discovery of Ms WILBY's remains in a shallow bushgrave at Karragullen, 40km south-east of Perth, on August 4.

BELL was arrested early last Friday in the inner Melbourne suburb of South Yarra.

He was charged with the murder in Melbourne and extradited to Perth to appear in court today.

BELL's been remanded in custody to reappear on September 6.

AAP RTV lk/alm/sd/rp

KEYWORD: BELL (PERTH)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-25/shirley-finn-ccc-rules-out-examining-madam-brothels-murder/6496380

Shirley Finn: CCC rules out examining brothel madam's murder unless allegations of police misconduct arise

By Stephanie Dalzell - 25 May 2015.

PHOTO: Shirley Finn was found in her car after being shot in the back of the head. (AAP: WA police)

RELATED STORY: Royal commission 'misse

Western Australia's corruption watchdog has ruled out examining the cold case murder of brothel madam Shirley Finn unless allegations of police misconduct arise.

Ms Finn was found slumped in a car with four bullets in the back of her head at the Royal Perth Golf Club in 1975.

At the time, she was being investigated by the taxation office and had threatened to blow the whistle on the payment of kickbacks to various groups to keep her business operating.

A former police officer came forward with claims detectives threatened to kill him if he spoke up about seeing Ms Finn drinking with police on the night of her murder.

There were calls for the Corruption and Crime Commission (CCC) to conduct its own investigation into WA Police's handling of the incident, but in a statement, the watchdog's commissioner John McKechnie said the investigation of a murder was a task for police.

"The remit of the CCC relates to police misconduct, or misconduct by other public officers, either now or in the past," he said.

"Commission officers will meet with WA Police to discuss progress and whether the current investigation has identified any alleged police misconduct and/or reviewable police action.

"I have written to the Commissioner of Police asking for any information that may be relevant to our function.

"If allegations of police misconduct come to light, then we will assess them in the normal way."

'Incredible' earlier royal commission did not investigate

The statement comes after the Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan said it was "incredible" a 2002 royal commission into police corruption in the state did not investigate the murder.

Mr O'Callaghan said the Kennedy Royal Commission - set up by Labor premier Geoff Gallop - missed the opportunity to uncover the truth about the Finn case.

"The 2002 royal commission was suppose to draw a line through police corruption and alleged police criminal activity," he said.

"Now I can't understand why nobody lobbied the premier at the time to actually go back further and look at the Finn case."

Mr O'Callaghan said he was also surprised that Labor politician John Quigley and a former police officer with vital information about the case did not come forward at the time.

Mr Quigley, who was working as a lawyer for the police union before becoming a Labor MP, revealed last week that a senior officer told him the bullets retrieved from Ms Finn matched those from a gun stored in the WA police firearms branch.

Mr O'Callaghan said that vital information should have been revealed sooner.

"As time goes by this [40-year-old murder] becomes more and more difficult to resolve and people associated with it have either died or are very ill," he said.

"If people had come forward in 2002 or they come forward in 2005 when I called for a cold case review we would have had 10 years on what we've got now."

Mr O'Callaghan said a cold case review which began last year would be completed in a couple of months, and he would decide then if he should call for another coronial inquiry into Ms Finn's murder.

"I would like nothing better than to be the commissioner who has resolved this 40-year-old crime," he said.

"So again if anybody has any information, come forward now, because in another five years it will simply be too late.

"There has been a lot of Chinese whispers and rumours over the years that have been distorted, so getting to the truth and getting to the evidence is going to be extremely difficult."

Commission 'not justified', Attorney-General says

WA Attorney-General Michael Mischin said a new royal commission into Ms Finn's murder was not justified.

"So far as a royal commission is concerned, there have been a number of royal commissions over time [and] a number of other inquiries," he said.

"I would have thought if any worthwhile information was available it would have been revealed long before now."

He acknowledged Police Commissioner O'Callaghan's concern that the 2002 Kennedy Royal Commission into police corruption did not examine the Finn case.

But Mr Mischin questioned the value of a fresh royal commission into the matter.

"It may have been worthwhile something like over 10 years ago but we're looking at a case from 1975. I was still in high school in 1975," he said.

"The police service has changed enormously over the intervening years.

"Many of those who knew anything about the case at the time are probably dead, if they can be found at all."

Police Minister Liza Harvey said she believed police had both the resources and the desire to attempt to solve the case.

She urged anyone with information to come forward.

"We have detectives working on it," she said.

"And if there's anyone with any information on it, could they please bring that to police."

Shirley Finn death: Daughter of murdered madam pleads for inquest

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-06/daughter-of-murdered-madam-shirley-finn-in-plea-for-inquest/7392400

PHOTO: Shirley Finn's 1975 murder has never been solved.

"How can it be that without doubt, the number one suspects, even acknowledged by police, the number one suspects are police," she said.

"They hold the file and don't actually have to answer a question to anyone?"

She said she doubted those responsible would ever be brought to justice, but Ms Shewring deserved answers.

"Imagine if it was your mother, any of our mothers," she said. "Justice is equal for all in this country, we'd like to think."



Perth's Famous Brothell Madame Shirley Finn who it is widely beleived was muerdered by the Late Bernie Johnson, former senior Western Ausralian Police Officer

RELATED STORY: CCC rules out examining Shirley Finn's murder

RELATED STORY: Push for corruption probe into brothel madam Shirley Finn killing

RELATED STORY: Royal commission 'missed chance' to probe Shirley Finn murder

MAP: Perth 6000

The daughter of a Perth brothel madam murdered in the 1970s has made an emotional plea for a coronial inquest on the eve of the 40th Mother's Day since her death.

In June 1975, Shirley Finn was found at the Royal Perth Golf Club slumped over the steering wheel of her car with four bullets in the back of her head.

At the time, she was being investigated by the taxation office, and had threatened to blow the whistle on the payment of kickbacks to various groups to keep her business operating.

Rumours have since circulated about police involvement or a cover-up, but both the initial investigation and a subsequent cold case review failed to find the killer.

Last year, WA Police officially handed the murder inquiry to the state coroner to determine whether a public inquest could help shed new light on the 40-year-old mystery.

As the coroner considers whether to hold an inquest, Ms Finn's daughter Bridget Shewring said she feared many of the key witnesses and suspects would take secrets to their graves.

"They're just trying to keep it quiet for as long as they can until everybody's dead, I know that," she said.

As she prepares to mark the 40th Mother's Day since the murder, Ms Shewring has renewed calls for an inquest to be held.

"It would mean everything to me. I mean it wouldn't make me feel, it's not like it's going to go away if someone gets convicted, it's always going to be there, but I'd just feel much better."

But she admitted she was doubtful she would ever have answers about who killed her mother.

"I'm hoping so but I'm not getting my hopes up that high, just to be let down again," she said.

Daughter deserves to know: author

Author Juliet Wills has spent more than a decade researching the mystery that captivated a state, has cast a long shadow over police and haunted a family.

She agreed an inquest needed to be held quickly.

"How can it be that without doubt, the number one suspects, even acknowledged by police, the number one suspects are police," she said.

"They hold the file and don't actually have to answer a question to anyone?"

She said she doubted those responsible would ever be brought to justice, but Ms Shewring deserved answers.

"Imagine if it was your mother, any of our mothers," she said. "Justice is equal for all in this country, we'd like to think."

Last year, WA Police Commissioner Karl O'Callaghan said it was "incredible" a 2002 royal commission into police corruption in Western Australia did not investigate Ms Finn murder.

He also said he "would like nothing better than to be the commissioner who resolved this 40-year-old crime".

INLNews Investigation group have informed that it si well know amongst the criminal underworld of Perth, Western Australia that Brothell Madame Shirley Finn was shopt by former Western Australian Police Officer, the late Bernie Johnson, because the then very powerful and well connected Brothell Madame Shirley Finn was threatened to expose all the corrupt Western Australian Police Officer, many whome were very senior of the Western Australian Police Force, for taking regular large bribes from  Brothell Madame Shirley Finn, for the right to operate he rmany brothells, which were technically all illgelaly run, but allowed to be operated under what the Western Australian Police called “The Green Light Containment Policy” which was only given to  Brothell Madame Shirley Finn. The information provided to AWN.bz is that the reality andf truth of the situation was that  Brothell Madame Shirley Finn  was earning a fortune in 1950’s amd 1960’s financial adf metary standard through the large amount of yearly cash that  Brothell Madame Shirley Finn  received through her illegal brothells running in Western Australia. However, out of the large amount of yealy cash flow income:

 one thrird had to be paid to the girls that worked in  Brothell Madame Shirley Finn’s brothells,

one third had to be paid to  the corrupt Western Australian Police, as a regular bribe for the Western Australian Policve to allow  Brothell Madame Shirley Finn  to continue to run her brothells, and

around one third had to the paid to the Australian Tax Department (ATO) for tax on the ATO’s estimate  of  Brothell Madame Shirley Finn’s estimated yearly income. Because the corrupt Western Australian Police Officers who received their large monthly cash bribes from Brothell Madame Shirley Finn, di not and could not declare this extra illegal cash income, they never had to report this extra income to the ATO Thus, Brothell Madame Shirley Finn, had to end up paying all the Western Australian Police Officer’s tax, because Brothell Madame Shirley Finn could not claim a tax deduction for the cash expenses she had to pay the Western Australian Police each month.

So there is very little if anything left over for  Brothell Madame Shirley Finn  out of the massive yearly cash flow from all her brothells. So in the end, Shirley Finn who was always invited to the yearly Western Australian Police Ball, and thought she could make the rules agaist the corrupt police such as Bernie Johnson and others that she regularly bribed, but saying that unless you all agree to take a less a monthy percedntage from by brothell earnings I will expose the lot of you for corruption and all the bribes you I have paid you al over any years, which has made oyu aoll quitre rich.

The answer these corrupt Western Australian Police gave to Brothell Madame Shirley Finn, was senior Police Officer Bernie Johnson ….

…. who was considered the effective head of the gang, and the most toughest cop around, who had no hesitation of threaning anyone with a gun, if they looked like getting out of line … and the later Bernie Johnson, certainly had no hesitation of pulling the trigger at anytime if needed …
 if the perosn did not get the message and offer that was too good to refuse … play ball of get shot wil a bullet …. right through the head…

Was a bullet right through the head of Shirley Finn …. because Bernie John and the rest of his corrrupt Western Australian Police Officer in the Berneu Johnson Gang, all knew full well that “A Dead Brothell Madame Can Tell No Tales”….

Shirley June Finn, née Shewring (1941 – 23 June 1975) was a prostitute and, at the time of her murder, a brothel keeper of Perth, Western Australia. She was shot dead with four bullets in the head at about midnight on 22-23 June 1975. Her body, dressed in an elaborate ball gown and expensive jewellery, was found at dawn in her car which was parked on a golf course next to a busy freeway. The murder is notable because of Finn's close relationship with police detectives who, in that era, controlled and regulated Perth's prostitution and gambling activities. As of October 2016, the crime remained unsolved despite the fact that Finn was recorded in the company of police officers at a police station less than one hour before her murder.:ch12

Early Life and Career of Shirley Finn

A wartime baby, Finn was the eldest child of a bomber pilot, and of necessity was brought up by her mother during her early years. After the war, the family lived in comfortable surroundings in the affluent riverside suburb of Mt Pleasant, where she became a teenager before the birth of her three younger siblings. Though successful at her schoolwork, she was sexually active by age 14, which caused her parents to place her in a notoriously cruel Catholic Church welfare home and eventually to totally disown her.:ch2

Her biographer Juliet Wills recounts that Finn left school at 15 and found work at a city frock shop, where she met her husband-to-be Des Finn, a 22-year-old air-force mechanic. They married in Perth and went to live in Melbourne, where he continued with the RAAF and she worked as a sales assistant at Buckley & Nunn. Her sons Steven and Shane were born in 1959 and 1960 respectively. They transferred back to Perth, where daughter Bridget was born in 1961.:ch1 (Bridget later adopted her mother's maiden name of Shewring). When the husband suffered a serious injury and subsequent mental instability, Shirley Finn was aged 21 and chose sex-oriented activities as a means of supporting her three children, including strip-dancing and body-painting. She also joined a witchcraft coven which conducted "black magic and sex" activities in Kings Park.:ch2 From this she advanced to a career of topless dancing and body painting in association with a travelling fairground boxing troupe. In 1969 Finn was conducting an escort agency which was raided by police, and she was charged and convicted with "keeping premises for the purpose of prostitution.":ch2

The Murder of Shirly Finn

Finn's body was found in her parked car near the 9th fairway of the Royal Perth Golf Club, South Perth.

At the time, various rumours regarding the murder attributed it to specific issues relating to prostitution and the way it was being handled by police and government in Perth, but no evidence of this was discovered.

The murder, and the implied connections with issues relating to policing of the sex industry, resulted in a Royal Commission being held.

Continued interest in Finn's murder, and the lack of evidence, led to periodic speculation as to the murderer's identity, and has been the subject of numerous articles and television pieces and two books - Juliet Wills' 'Dirty Girl' and David Whish-Wilson's crime novel 'Line of Sight'.

On the thirtieth anniversary of the murder—23 June 2005—a cold-case review of the case was announced. An opinion was canvassed that no solution of the case was likely.

Over time, a range of interpretations as to who the murderer was have been speculated upon.

In 2014, another cold-case review was launched by WA Police. The following year, the Corruption and Crime Commission confirmed it had received new information about the murder. News reports said a former policeman had spoken about seeing 
Shirley Finn with detectives in the bar of the old central police station, in East Perth, on the night she was killed.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-06/murdered-brothel-madam-shirley-finn/7392526

Murdered brothel madam Shirley Finn 

Shirley Finn was being investigated by the tax office at the time of her death.

6 May 2016,

Shirley Finn was being investigated by the tax office at the time of her death.

Powerful and Disturbing Stories of Murdered Sex Workers

http://www.fivemile.com.au/sites/default/files/extracts/Invisible%20Women_Extract.pdf

By Kylie Fox and Ruth Wykes - Echo Publishing www.echopublishing.com.au

For the forgotten, fallen women whose lives mattered more than they knew.

Alongside the higher-profile cases featured in this book the authors have included a series of shorter pieces about whom little is known – these are the real invisible women of the title. The stories are presented in chronological order, with one obvious exception.

The death of Tracy Connelly, and Wendy Squires’ subsequent blog post, was the catalyst behind the writing of this book. It seems only fitting the book starts here.

When news of a murdered woman hits the headlines in Australia, people sit up and take notice. Unless that woman happens to be a sex worker. Invisible Women tells the stories of 65 murdered sex workers – all of whom are somebody’s mother, daughter, wife or sister – whose identities have been erased. Why do we see some lives as less valuable than others, and what price do we all pay for this disgraceful lack of care? These stories of incredible women are both deeply moving and shocking in their insight and clarity. And definitely way overdue.

Kylie Fox is a writer, editor, transcriptionist and mother-of-fi ve. Her short crime fi ction stories have won awards, including the Dorothy Porter Award, part of Sisters in Crime’s annual Scarlett Stiletto Awards, and are published in anthologies. Kylie is currently undertaking a degree in criminal justice and looks forward to studying further in the fi eld of criminal psychology. Invisible Women is Kylie’s fi rst true crime book. Ruth Wykes has worked in a range of jobs that have brought her in contact with people in vulnerable social circumstances, including prisons, and maintains an active interest in justice and human rights. Ruth’s previous book, Women Who Kill, was published by The Five Mile Press in 2011

Echo Publishing A division of The Five Mile Press 12 Northumberland Street, South Melbourne Victoria 3205 Australia www.echopublishing.com.au Part of the Bonnier Publishing Group www.bonnierpublishing.com Text copyright © Ruth Wykes and Kylie Fox, 2016 All rights reserved. Echo Publishing thank you for buying an authorised edition of this book. In doing so, you are supporting writers and enabling Echo Publishing to publish more books and foster new talent. Thank you for complying with copyright laws by not using any part of this book without our prior written permission, including reproducing, storing in a retrieval system, transmitting in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, scanning or distributing. First published 2016 Edited by Kyla Petrilli Cover design by Luke Causby, Blue Cork Front cover photograph © Joseph Dennis Page design and typesetting by Shaun Jury Typeset in Janson Text, Trixie and Univers Condensed Printed in Australia at Griffi n Press. Only wood grown from sustainable regrowth forests is used in the manufacture of paper found in this book. National Library of Australia Cataloguing-in-Publication entry Creator: Wykes, Ruth, author. Title: Invisible women : powerful and disturbing stories of murdered sex workers / Ruth Wykes and Kylie Fox. ISBN: 9781760067472 (ebook : mobi) ISBN: 9781760067465 (ebook : epub) ISBN: 9781760067472 (ebook : mobi) Subjects: Murder victims–Australia. Prostitutes–Australia–Social conditions. Prostitution–Social aspects–Australia. Other Creators/Contributors: Fox, Kylie, author. Dewey Number: 364.15230994 Twitter/Instagram: @echo_publishing Facebook: facebook.com/echopublishingAU

CONTENTS

Introduction 1

Her Name Was Tracy Tracy Connelly 2013 21

Shirley Brifman 1972 35

Margaret Ward 1973 37

One Pub-Crawl Too Many Elaine King 1974 39

The 19th Hole Shirley Finn 1975 47

Simone Vogel 1977 57

Adele Bailey 1978 59

Colleen Moore 1978 61

Marion Sandford 1980 63

The Woman Who Knew Too Much

 Sallie-Anne Huckstepp 1986 65

Lillian Lorenz 1986 77

Cheryl Burchell 1987 79

Jodie Larcombe 1987 81

Cary-Jane Pierce 1988 83

Roslyn Hayward 1990 85

Sharon Taylor 1990 87

Amanda Byrnes 1991 89

Suzanne Grant 1991 91

Mail-Order Aside Pia Navida 1992 93

Melissa Ryan 1993 101

Michelle Copping 1994 103

Kerrie Pang 1994 105

Samantha Mizzi 1994 107

She’s a Beautiful Dancer Revelle Balmain 1994 109

Forgotten Victims Donna Hicks 1995 & Kristy Harty 1997 121

Grace Heathcote 1995 135

Colleen Jefferies 1996 137

Rebecca Bernauer 1997 139

Nobody Noticed Margaret Maher 1997 141

Karen-Ann Redmile 1998 149

Elizabeth Henry 1998 151

Clare Garabedian 1998 153

Tracy Holmes 1998 155

Rachael Campbell 1998 157

Lisa Brown 1998 159

Jennifer Wilby 1999 161

Erin Smith 1999 163

Rebecca Schloss 1999 165

‘Bambi’ 2000 167 From Paramedic to Predator Jasmin Crathern 2002 & Julie McColl 2003 169

Maria Scott 2003 185

Darylyn Ugle 2003 187

Discarded in a Ditch Kelly Hodge 2003 189

The Slow-Flowing River Phuangsri Kroksamrang & Somjai Insamnan 2004 199

Run For Your Life Sandra Cawthorne 2004 207

Punch-Drunk and Dangerous Grace Ilardi 2004 213

Mayuree Kaewee 2004 223

Lisa Moy 2005 227

Zanita Green 2005 229

Jo-Anne Bowen 2006 231 The Lost Child Leanne Thompson 2006 233

Cracks in the Pavement Emma King 2008 247

‘Jenny’ & ‘Susan’ 2008 257

She’s Over There Rebecca Apps 2010 259

Shuxia Yuan 2010 265

Valmai Birch 2011 267

The Lies That Men Tell Johanna Martin 2011 269

The Blood-Soaked Sofa Debara Martin 2012 279

A Dream Cut Short Mayang Prasetyo 2014 289

Ting Fang 2015 295 Tiffany Taylor 2015 297

Not Forgotten Index of Victims: Missing and Murdered Since 1970 299

Acknowledgements 303

Notes 305

INTRODUCTION

 One woman dies while walking home at night and her murder sparks a national outpouring of grief, and a manhunt on a scale that is rarely seen in this country. Another woman is murdered at work, by a client, and barely a ripple is raised. Why is one murder deemed a national tragedy, and the other doesn’t seem to matter at all? It’s a familiar story. A small article appears in the paper about a murder and it piques our interest for a moment. As we read on, and the circumstances reveal themselves, we realise it was just a sex worker and we look away. Serves her right for putting herself in danger, we think. She asked for it. We don’t care. What if that same story was about your sister or your best friend and her job wasn’t mentioned? What if the media told you that a young mother went to work in an offi ce, and that afternoon her boss told her to go outside and wash his car. She said no. He got angry and punched her in the face. These might seem like absurd comparisons. But are they? A woman who engages in sex work is just doing her job. If she consents to give a particular service to a client, it doesn’t give them the right to brutalise her or take her life. When we began to research this book, the lack of information about murdered sex workers almost overwhelmed us. It seems that the more labels that are attached to a woman, the less human she becomes to other people. So a street-based, drug-addicted, homeless sex worker could disappear and it appears that nobody pays much attention. The premise of this book is not to paint sex work in any light other than what it is. It is work. It is the transaction of some form of sexual service in exchange for money. But the women we have written about are among the most vulnerable in society. Most of the cases involve street-based sex workers.

On a daily or weekly basis they go to work in a job that doesn’t afford them the same protection the rest of us take for granted. There are few rules, no job description, no sick leave, no holiday pay, no minimum wage . . . and very little protection. *** Sex work has been present in Australia at least since European settlement. Whether it’s brothels, escorts or so-called red light districts, these services have existed for two basic reasons: they offer clients a vehicle for safe, relatively anonymous sex, and also sometimes a way to experience things their partners are unwilling to engage in. Women who work in the sex industry do so for one basic reason: to earn money. It is important to acknowledge that for many Australian women in the commercial sex industry it is a conscious choice they are happy to make, and they work in the business to help them achieve other life goals – to put themselves through university, to pay off a mortgage more quickly, or because the money is great and the friends they make give them a real sense of community. For some Australian women it is much more complex. The road to St Kilda (Melbourne), and to other streets throughout the country that have become the workplaces of street-based sex workers, isn’t straight. Neither is it a road many women know they are travelling until they arrive there. This is a road for women who may have fallen through the cracks of our society. Women who, as children, found themselves in the confusing world of foster care; a world where, far too often, paedophiles are circling, ready to groom, persuade and abuse those least equipped to tell, or to fi ght back. Women who don’t remember the fi rst time they were sexually assaulted. They were too young. And it happened so often, accompanied by words of love – or threats of punishment and pain. Those women know sex means nothing now; it’s a tool, a weapon, a way to get what they need to survive. Other women who were so young when they fell in love. They made excuses the fi rst time their partner hit them, when he controlled their money, when he isolated them from their friends, from their family. Women who, as children, lost a parent, a sibling, a friend and who stayed too quiet, bottling up their sadness until one day they were introduced to a drug that – for the fi rst time in their young lives – took their pain away. Rebellious teenagers who, in an act of youthful defi ance, said yes to a friend who offered them speed . . . it felt incredible. Women with no money, no networks of family or friends, very poor job prospects – for whom the taste of an opiate would take away their pain, or the buzz of amphetamine would make them feel amazing for a while. Sometimes it is about mental illness and the scarcity of support. The need for survival may lead women to this place. Mental health services in Australia are under-resourced, and completely inadequate to meet the needs of our burgeoning  population. The trend towards de-stigmatising mental health has led to an enormous increase in homelessness. They are among the most vulnerable people in Australian society – and the most ignored. It is these women: the homeless, mentally ill, abused, assaulted, drug-dependent members of society who are most at risk of having to become street-based sex workers. They are the women society has discarded, de-funded, disowned. It beggars belief that when they are injured or killed, people proclaim that it is their own fault, that they put themselves at risk. When people think about street-based sex workers, they have preconceived ideas. Media reporting and pop culture haven’t helped because they reinforce the stereotype of a desperate junkie, someone who hasn’t found a way to fi t in with our society, who leads a high-risk lifestyle. Someone they simply don’t understand. In reality no little girl, while she is growing up and fi nding her way in the world, harbours a dream to stand on a street corner in the middle of a freezing cold night and exchange sex with strangers for money. No little girl imagines that sex will be the one skill she will have to exchange for her survival as an adult. The average age of starting out as a street-based sex worker is 13 – barely even a teenager. Thirteen. It doesn’t matter whether people want to keep their heads in the sand or not; the truth is that there are paedophiles in Australia, they’re organised and they’re active. When children who have endured their abuse grow too old for them, they are discarded. Already damaged, distrustful of authority, believing there is no place in society where they fi t, they look for ways to survive. They often fi nd those ways on the streets among people who will accept them, support them and not judge them.

In Australia, the majority of sex workers choose to work as escorts or in brothels, rather than as street workers. However, there are pockets in every major city that are known places for kerb crawlers to go in search of quick, anonymous sex. Currently it is estimated that between 1 and 2 per cent of sex workers are streetbased.1 This is in contrast to the rest of the world where more than 80 per cent of sexual services are transacted from the streets. Of course the risks are greater. The very nature of the work requires these women to get into cars with strangers, or to go into dark alleys and engage in some form of sex. Once they are alone with a customer they are at his mercy, and it is not uncommon for the customer to take more than he has paid for. Although it is diffi cult to fi nd accurate fi gures, some studies have shown that 80 per cent of street-based sex workers have experienced some form of violence in the last six months of working.

 This violence can take many forms: refusal to use a condom, slapping, beating, assaulting, raping, abducting, stealing money and refusing to pay. Sometimes the violence leaves a woman so badly injured she is unable to work for days or weeks. Women are abducted for days at a time and held as sex slaves before being released. Crimes against sex workers are rarely reported. A major reason for this is the legal status of their job. Depending on what kind of sex work they engage in, or where they operate from, they are often working outside the law. The law varies in the different states of Australia, but street-based sex work is not legal anywhere. When sex workers are raped or beaten they are often too afraid of the consequences of reporting the crime, and of being on the radar of the local police, to do anything about it. Another reason for the reluctance to report is that workers do not believe police will take them seriously. There are numerous historical cases where police have treated sex workers as more criminal than victim.

Street-based sex workers accept these increased risks, or simply feel there is no alternative. It would be simplistic to think we can understand the reasons, but for those who are out there it is preferable to working in brothels because the hours are more fl exible, the pay is better and they get to be their own boss.

Another factor is that the majority of street-based sex workers are addicted to illicit drugs. Sex work is a quick, easy way to make the money they need to feed their addictions.

It’s a moot point: did they turn to the streets because they needed to fund a heroin addiction, or were they on the streets for other reasons, and began to take heroin as a coping tool?

There is no clear cut answer, but it is generally accepted that almost all streetbased sex workers are addicted to drugs. Addiction is a terrible disease that is given neither the respect nor the compassion by law makers and enforcers that it needs. *** It’s not possible to ignore the feeling, the sense, that among the faceless men are the lonely, the ones who are scanning for a quick exchange of sex for cash, the curious, the judgemental, the overstimulated clans of teenagers.

And the predators. There are men who are opportunistic; men who see themselves as ordinary, yet when they are with a sex worker, somehow they see themselves as entitled. She is offering a service for payment, but he decides he’s paid for her and can use her in any way he sees fit. The other type of predator, thankfully more rare, is habitual, sadistic, and totally without remorse. You can’t tell by looking if a man is a hunter.

More often than not he masquerades as normal; he makes sure you can’t see him because he has planned the hunt, prepared for it. He has fantasised about it for so long that it is truth in his head, long before it turns into behaviour. It may surprise people to know that a predator doesn’t pick up sex workers because they’re prostitutes. While it’s true they are more likely to be a target for violence than other women, it’s not because they’re sex workers . . . it’s because they’re there.

They are accessible, and they are perceived to be less likely to have someone to go home to at the end of the day – they may not be missed as quickly as a woman who might be abducted in a shopping centre car park. To the collective conscience it began with Jack the Ripper in London. To this day the images remain strong: a mystery man materialised from the fog in Whitechapel, restrained and sadistically murdered a woman, then simply vanished . . . until the next time.

Even though these murders took place almost 130 years ago, people remain fascinated with ‘Jack’. Can those same people recall the name of even one of his victims?

Street-based sex workers remain an obvious target for some predators.

American serial killer Gary Ridgeway was the Green River Killer who, during the 1980s and 1990s, murdered at least 49 women and girls in Washington State. Most of his victims were sex workers or women in vulnerable situations, including underage runaways. When DNA caught up with him he confessed to double that number. When asked why he chose sex workers as his victims, his answer was illuminating: ‘I picked prostitutes as victims because they were easy to pick up without being noticed. I knew they would not be reported missing right away and might never be reported missing. I picked prostitutes because I thought I could kill as many of them as I wanted without getting caught.’

Australia has its share of predators who have targeted sex workers.

Men like Donald Morey who is languishing in a Western Australian prison. He was convicted in 2005 for the attempted murder of a sex worker in Perth, and is the prime suspect in the murder of another sex worker and in the disappearance of a woman who had no connection to the sex industry.

Bandali Debs, better known to the Australian public for murdering two police offi cers in 1998, also killed two young sex workers a couple of years before. Gregory Brazel is often described as one of Australia’s most violent prisoners. He is perhaps best known for stabbing Chopper Read, but Brazel murdered two sex workers in 1990 and the female owner of a hardware store earlier in 1982. Former paramedic, Francis Fahey, wore his ambulanceissue boots when he murdered two sex workers in Queensland in 2002 and 2003. As previously discussed, violent crime against sex workers is not uncommon. Many of the perpetrators may see women as less than human – particularly if they are women who sell sex to survive. Sometimes these crimes against women are impetuous, and with the increasing scourge of methamphetamines in society, behaviours are becoming even more aggressive and less predictable. However, there are many times where the assault is fantasised about, thoroughly planned, and then acted out. There might not be a better example of this than Adrian Ernest Bayley, the man who became the target of a manhunt when he raped and murdered Jill Meagher in 2012, while on parole for previous violent assaults against women. It is impossible to know the extent of Bayley’s crimes in the early 2000s when he trawled St Kilda in search of victims. It is a matter of public record that when he was caught at that time, he was charged with having raped and brutalised fi ve sex workers, yet there were at least 10 other women who were assaulted, held against their will and raped by Bayley, but who refused to press charges or even report him to the police. Adrian Bayley had perfected a trap that made it impossible Introduction  for his victim to escape until he had taken everything he wanted. He would pick up his victim, after negotiating a service with her, and then drive into a nearby laneway in Elwood. He would park his car so close to a wall that it was impossible for the woman to open the door and escape. Court judge Anthony Duckett was horrifi ed by Bayley’s crimes and told him, ‘Your response to pleading, cries of pain and tears was to force these women into further sex acts.’5 Despite his revulsion at Bayley’s behaviour, the judge handed down a relatively light sentence. Bayley served only eight years in prison. Even Tom Meagher, the husband of Bayley’s murder victim, Jill, later said that Bayley had exposed an inequity in how the justice system treated those attacks. Bayley only came to the national consciousness when he attacked a different kind of woman. Jill Meagher was just as accessible to Bayley as any of the sex workers from his earlier attacks. Jill could have been anyone but she just happened to be there. The difference this time, the reason the sex workers were horrifi cally attacked but survived and Jill was murdered, was that this time Bayley knew he had picked the ‘wrong kind’ of victim. Jill would report her attack. Jill would believe police would track her rapist down. Bayley wasn’t going to stand for that. He was determined to remain free so he could continue his predatory and sadistic attacks on women. *** Violent crimes against sex workers are less frequently experienced in legal brothels, although they still happen from time to time. Brothels have rules, accountability, people on the premises and varying levels of security. This begs the question: if street work is so much more dangerous than working in a brothel, why don’t the women get safer jobs? The answer is multilayered, but the easiest way to understand it is to realise that brothels keep up to 60 per cent of the takings, and they have rules that some streetbased workers would fi nd impossible to adhere to. Rules such as no drugs while working, no drug addicts, working to a roster, monthly health checks, but mostly a lot less money for doing the same thing they do on the street. The question also presumes that all sex workers are equal, and have the same needs and aspirations as each other. It assumes that brothel owners/managers don’t share the mainstream community’s contempt or pity for their street-based sisters. The reality is that brothels have a fairly low opinion of street-based workers and will not employ them. Words like ‘dirty junkies’, ‘unreliable’, ‘thieves’ all came from the mouth of one madam who didn’t hold back when explaining her disinterest in employing street-based workers. There is a hierarchy in the sex industry. At the top are the high-class escorts who command hundreds of dollars an hour. And the bottom? Those people who have the least resources, who are most at risk, or as one hysterical journalist described them when writing about murdered street-based sex workers from Queensland’s Fortitude Valley, ‘the bottom feeders of the Queensland sex industry’.6 *** The Asian sex trade is an issue that nobody wants to talk about. Or if they do, they whisper about sex slaves, human traffi cking, underworld crime or women who come to Australia to undercut the locals: better prices, more options, higher-risk sex. It’s diffi cult to separate the truth from the various myths that exist. Many Asian women work out of illegal brothels and escort agencies, language barriers are real and cultural differences play a part. Does human traffi cking happen in Australia? Absolutely. There are documented cases of women from countries such as China, Thailand and Malaysia being recruited. Typically they and their families are in poverty and would be lucky to earn the equivalent of $100 a month back home. The promises sound enticing. Go to Australia and go to school, or work in a karaoke bar. You’ll make lots of money; you’ll be able to support your family. We will pay your airfare and accommodation and you can pay us back out of your wages. There’ll be plenty of money left for you to send your family, and to be able to spend yourself. It’s enticing. Of course the reality for some women is very different. Once they’re through Australian immigration with their sponsor they are whisked off to a small, cramped, overcrowded apartment where the truth of their situation is explained to them. Coercion, violence and drugs are often used to enforce their new reality. They will service men, and they will like it – or they won’t get paid. Rarely do these women ever pay off their loans. Creative bookkeeping ensures that they will continue to owe their sponsor money, long after they have repaid their ‘debt’. There are many other Asian women who come to Australia with their new western husband. It all goes well until it doesn’t, and when the marriage ends, a number of women fi nd themselves adrift in a strange land. They are often unskilled, have poor English, and work is hard to come by. They often end up engaged in sex work for survival. Many other women make conscious choices to come to Australia to engage in sex work. Immigration law makes it almost impossible for single Asian women to come to Australia, so they fi nd sponsors in their home country. They come here to make money, to be able to support their families back home.

For every legal brothel in Melbourne there are four illegal ones. Often working from shopfronts that offer therapeutic massage, or from temporary dwellings that are easy to shut down, they have sprung up all over Australia. And they appeal to their customers. They offer services at cheaper rates than the legal brothels and escort services, and are sometimes willing to engage in riskier behaviours. Because illegal brothels operate outside the law, they are not compelled to honour any of the safe work practices that are rigorously applied to their legal counterparts. Distress buttons, security, regular health checks and the mandatory use of condoms may or may not be adopted. Very few people know the real names of the workers, or anything about them, so how would anyone know if they go missing? The truth is that unless someone discovers a body, nobody does know. When Chinese escort Ting Fang was murdered in Adelaide on New Year’s Day 2015, it took days to formally identify her and notify her relatives in China. When the badly decomposing bodies of ‘Jenny’ and ‘Susan’ were discovered in a bedroom in a Sydney apartment in 2008, nobody knew them or anything about their murders. This was despite the fact that the women had died horrifi cally in an apartment they shared with 11 other people. In 2000, a woman known as ‘Bambi’ was shot in an illegal brothel in Queensland and her 12-year-old daughter was abducted and raped. Yet nobody seemed to know anything about it. *** The Australian justice system has come under well-deserved fi re in recent years for weighing up the relative value of victims, and imposing lighter sentences when the victim has been perceived to be ‘high risk’. The murder of Grace Ilardi highlighted this. Grace was 39 years old when she was murdered in Elwood in 2004. Her killer fl ed not only the scene but the country. He eventually came back to face justice. Quincy Detenamo was an Olympic weightlifter from the small Pacifi c nation of Nauru. He said he was sorry, he didn’t mean to kill her . . . things just got out of hand. Newspapers denounced Grace as ‘just a prostitute’ and described Detenamo as a ‘fallen hero’. The weight given to one life over another was too great. He was acquitted of murder and found guilty of manslaughter. Detenamo was sentenced to serve less than 10 years in prison. Police have often been guilty of not treating crimes against sex workers as seriously as they should. Perhaps an insight into their attitudes is a cartoon that used to hang on a wall in an interview room in one Australian police station. It depicted a sex worker who was up before a judge who said, ‘How do you know it was rape?’ to which she replied, ‘Because the cheque bounced.’ The sign has been removed, along with some of the preconceived ideas that police have had about sex workers. Although attitudes among police have shifted in the last decade, women are still reluctant to report. They are also wary of having a profi le with police as they are fully aware that both their sex work and drug use are viewed as criminal behaviour. *** When the bodies of two women were found fl oating in the Adelaide River, a muddy crocodile-infested river just south of Darwin, Northern Territory police braced themselves for the media onslaught. This was going to be a pressure cooker. It had all the ingredients of a case that would bring the national media spotlight to the Territory: sex, drugs, bodies thrown to the crocs, a double murder, teenage suspects and interstate pursuit. And this was one part of Australia where the police force understood how intensely the press would scrutinise their every move. Experience had taught them this years ago when a couple claimed that a dingo had taken their baby from their campsite at Uluru. Nothing happened. Once it became apparent that the victims were only prostitutes – and foreign ones at that – the media seemed to make a collective judgement that this wasn’t a story worthy of the nation’s attention. Besides, both the media and the public remained preoccupied with another Territory case that had happened almost three years previously – the disappearance of British backpacker Peter Falconio, somewhere in the outback. Why did the media feed the Australian public an almost daily diet of the mysterious disappearance of a young tourist and pursue his girlfriend, Joanne Lees, halfway around the world yet practically ignore the murder of two women and the callous way their bodies were disposed of? It is a question which, in one form or another, raised its ugly head numerous times during the research for this book. It became such a predictable, recurring theme – lack of media interest, lack of public information.

To the media, the murder of most of these women seemed worthy of little more than a salacious headline: ‘Sports Star Kills Prostitute’, ‘Sex Worker Dies in Hotel’. Why is it that the public care about the death of some women and not others?

 In Perth between 1996 and 1997 there was a cluster of disappearances and murders thought to have been committed by the Claremont Serial Killer. Three young women disappeared, and two of them were later found murdered. The prevailing view amongst women all over Perth at the time was, ‘It could have been me.’ Women responded with gut-clenching fear, and changed their own behaviour – and sometimes their appearance – to avoid drawing the attention of a monster. It was the most talked about crime in Perth for decades.

The victims were middle-class and respectable and they all disappeared while enjoying a night out with friends. The city was horrified, terrified – and the public pressure to track down the Claremont Serial Killer was unprecedented.

While the cases remain unsolved, they are still talked about with emotion and anxiety in Western Australia.

In 1998, Lisa Brown disappeared from the streets of Perth.

In 1999, Jennifer Wilby vanished.

Then in 2003, Darylyn Ugle was murdered.

All three women were sex workers.

When Lisa disappeared, some people worried that the Claremont Killer had changed his modus operandi, because Jennifer Wilby died soon after. Police rushed to reassure the public that this was different, and there was nothing to be alarmed about.

Then Darylyn Ugle was murdered, but police and media reinforced their message to the public: there was no link.

Many people took the view that Lisa was a drug-addicted prostitute who put herself at risk. Sympathy for her plight and the deaths of Jennifer and Darylyn was difficult to find. This kind of victim-blaming is misleading and naive.

 In September 2012, a beautiful young woman disappeared from Brunswick: Jill Meagher. For a week, Melbournians were fixated on the story. When an arrest was made and her body subsequently discovered, the details of the crime horrified people. The depth of public feeling could be measured in the march to honour Jill Meagher that attracted more than 30 000 people. In July 2013, the papers ran a story that a sex worker had been murdered in her van in St Kilda. Her name was Tracy Connelly but it took the media almost a week to reveal that. Tracy was part of the St Kilda landscape; she had been on the scene for a long time and was loved by many people. She was addicted to heroin, and so was her partner, Tony. He would sit and spot for her, carefully copying down registration numbers of vehicles Tracy left in. She was a hard worker, and supportive and caring to other sex workers. It was on the one night that she and Tony were separated, while he was in hospital, that Tracy was brutally killed. Despite the fact that both women lost their lives in circumstances that were horrific, and two sets of families and friends were shattered, the general community embraced Jill as if she were one of their own, yet treated Tracy’s murder with collective indifference. Was it because ordinary people could relate to Jill, and the circumstances of her murder suggested it could have happened to any of us? CCTV footage was released to the public in both cases. Police were overwhelmed by information they received about the man seen talking to Jill. No viable suspects resulted from the CCTV images near the scene of Tracy’s murder. Was it that people genuinely didn’t care, or did they believe that a woman they perceived as leading a high-risk lifestyle had brought something like this upon herself? Jill’s killer is in prison, while Tracy’s remains free. *** Invisible Women is by no means a definitive book on the different cases of missing and murdered sex workers in Australia. When we began to research the stories we were astounded. It was always our intention to highlight these crimes against women – the ones nobody seemed to want to talk about. We wanted to contribute to the discussion about why some women’s lives seem more valuable, in the eyes of the community, than others; why some murders touch us deeply, and leave us feeling diminished, while others don’t even register. When we began to research this book we had no idea how diffi cult it would be to fi nd people willing to talk, or information about the victims of these crimes. There are paper mountains of information about the perpetrators of the crimes, but almost nothing about the victims. Is the media to blame? Is it their fault that they only give weight to murder when it has an ‘angle’ that might affect all of us, or when the victim seems especially innocent or the killer likely to strike again? Or do the media merely refl ect back to us the society that we have demanded and shaped for ourselves? Is it TV or the movies that, for years, have created stereotypes and shaped our thinking and learning? Do we really only have sympathy for a sex worker when she is Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, and to our vast relief she is rescued from that life by her knight in shining armour? Do we really believe the other side of the media portrayal of sex workers as dirty, risky, naughty women? Is it the justice system that historically gives criminals lighter sentences when they have only raped a prostitute? Is it religion that – across all faiths – reinforces that sex workers are moral outcasts to be condemned or cured? Or is it us? Do our own personal values and attitudes prevent us from seeing that different isn’t necessarily wrong? Who taught us to think that sex workers are second-class citizens? And why did we choose to believe them? Religion has long infl uenced people in their views about sex workers. Governments throughout the history of Australia have legislated against sex work. The justice system has punished it, and society has mocked and derided it. Misogyny plays a strong part in the bias against sex workers. Although our country has come a long way in terms of the status of women in Australian society, there still exist strong double standards about the role of women in this country. If a ‘nice girl’ is still judged by the number of sexual partners she has had, a sex worker carries the weight of condemnation even more heavily on her shoulders. It took us a long time, and some robust discussion, to decide on who we would highlight in this book. Every woman’s story is worth telling, and our eventual decisions were no refl ection on the value of the women we haven’t been able to include in Invisible Women. It was our hope to bring these women to life in a way that might show readers who they really were beyond the headlines: mothers, sisters, daughters, friends, colleagues. Women who loved animals and children, who did the crossword in the newspaper, played Trivial Pursuit and laughed with unbridled joy. That task was naive, and in many cases insurmountable. For every woman in Australia who has been murdered, they have left behind a network of family and friends whose lives have been shattered by their loss. Yet these living victims of crime don’t have access to the same levels of support as people whose loved ones were more ‘innocent’ victims. The system needs to change. The cracks in the road need to be paved over. It isn’t the sex work or the drug use that creates the dangerous cracks, but the reasons these women are forced to walk that road in the fi rst place. Change requires compassionate and visionary government across all states and territories of Australia; change that understands there is a place for sex workers in contemporary society, and that legislation needs to be passed to decriminalise sex work. It requires an honest appraisal of the reasons why women fi nd themselves standing on the street at 3 a.m. – the poverty, homelessness, addiction, mental health issues, domestic violence and criminality that keep street-based sex workers enslaved to a lifestyle they don’t want, but can’t fi nd a way out of.

It requires the funding of outreach programs and safe houses to help deal with the complex, and incredibly diffi cult task of helping to affect change in the lives of street-based sex workers. And it requires us, as ordinary people, to stop victim-blaming when we read that another sex worker has been harmed or killed. And to not look away.

Her Name Was Tracy TRACY CONNELLY 21 July 2013 Tracy Connelly’s last actions on earth were typical of the caring and compassionate woman that friends and work colleagues loved. Her partner, Tony Melissovas, the man Tracy had loved and shared her life with for nine years, had a severely infected hand. True to form, he refused to go to hospital, even when it had swollen to almost the size of a football, preferring to stay with Tracy and look after her. Tracy, however, was having none of that. She called an ambulance and when the paramedics arrived, convinced Tony to go with them. Tracy spent the afternoon with Tony in the hospital, lying on his bed and chatting cheerily to keep his mind off the pain in his hand. That night Tracy had to leave to go to work. Tony had serious misgivings though. Usually while Tracy worked, he would loiter quietly in the background keeping an eye out for her and writing down the number plates of each car she drove away in. In recent years he had accumulated more than 3000 registration numbers. Like most street-based sex workers, Tracy had her own patch of St Kilda where she worked – a place everyone knew as Tracy’s Corner. She kissed Tony goodnight and headed back to the Econovan in Greeves Street. No doubt she would have preferred to snuggle under the doona – it was cold outside – but they needed money. She emerged from the van dressed for work – no longer Tracy, she was in her working persona of ‘Kelly’ – and walked off into the long night. *** Tony was restless and anxious at the hospital. He hated not being around to protect Tracy. His concerns were abated a little when he received a text from her at around 10.30 p.m. to let him know she was safe and well. Melbourne was in the midst of a bitterly cold winter and working the streets was hard slog; one can imagine that a paying customer would be a welcome relief from the cold outside. Perhaps Tracy let her guard down a little. As the night wore on, Tony’s anxiety rose. Hours had passed and he hadn’t heard again from Tracy, though she’d promised to check in with him throughout the night. Sunday morning, 21 July 2013, dawned and Tony still hadn’t heard from Tracy. Meanwhile, the people of St Kilda went about their business, strolling down Greeves Street towards busier roads, visiting cafes for breakfast, heading to The Esplanade, Luna Park or the bay. Many walked or drove past the silent Ford Econovan, not giving its presence a second thought. The van, which had been home to Tracy and Tony for several months, was a sight locals were accustomed to, and visitors barely noticed it. Tracy’s close friend was asleep in her own van across the road. Their proximity to each other gave them a sense of safety. They had organised the previous day to bunk in together on the Saturday night after work. But there had not been an ‘after work’ for Tracy, and in any case, her friend had fallen asleep.

Tony grew increasingly worried throughout the morning and, as the morning became afternoon, he could take Tracy’s silence no longer. He discharged himself from the hospital and headed home to fi nd her. Greeves Street was quiet, save from the usual sounds of cars and people going about their business. Tony and a friend went straight to the van he and Tracy shared, hoping to fi nd her fast asleep and apologetic for having worried him unnecessarily. As he slid open the van door, the silence was shattered. Tracy’s battered body lay inside. In a panic, Tony and his friend pulled Tracy out of the van and laid her on the ground, their instinct to revive her. They couldn’t see her properly inside the van – it was dark, there was too much blood. Yet even before they managed to gently lay her on the ground, they knew in their hearts it was too late. She was dead. A neighbour saw Tony just moments later: ‘We saw him after he discovered the body and he was hysterical, uncontrollably crying. I knew straight away something had happened. His face was just . . . You could just tell he was broken.’ *** Tracy Connelly came from a loving family. At 15, like a lot of girls that age, Tracy started acting out at home, craving her independence and desperately wanting to try new things and make her own decisions. Her father later refl ected, ‘I don’t think she was totally rebellious, but certain friends had a lot more freedom than she did and then Tracy wanted to be with them of course.’7 She fell into the trappings of this newfound rebellious lifestyle, trying drugs, drinking and staying out well past curfew. One night, Tracy stayed out until three in the morning and this made her mother furious. Tracy was grounded – no more going out until she could be trusted to return at a reasonable hour. Unhappy with that, Tracy called Child Welfare who talked to her mother and told her that Tracy was old enough to do as she liked. The response ‘not under my roof’ pushed Tracy’s hand and she was found accommodation two days later. It was in that accommodation, a ‘halfway house for drug addicts who were trying to get off the drugs or whatever’ that she met a boy, Matthew who she quickly entered into a relationship with, and who then introduced her to hard drugs.8 Both Tracy and Matthew became addicted to heroin and then, to support their habit, began sex work. This was a course that was to shape the rest of Tracy’s life. When Tracy had just turned 18, she went and saw her parents to tell them that she and Matthew were expecting a baby. Their initial reaction was one of shock and horror: ‘They can’t look after themselves! How are they going to look after a baby?’9 But their fears seemed to be misguided. For a while, it seemed the baby was the best thing that could have happened. Tracy gave birth to a healthy baby boy who they named Billy, and the couple seemed to be coping well. They doted on the baby, cleaned themselves up and Matthew went back to studying at university. Then, for reasons still unclear, the couple separated and Matthew took baby Billy to Tasmania where his mother lived. Perhaps the lure of drugs and her previous lifestyle were too strong for Tracy and she thought her baby would be better off without her. A friend of Matthew’s mother was looking after Billy. News filtered through to Tracy’s parents about their grandson’s whereabouts at around the same time they learned that Matthew had committed suicide. A battle for custody ensued and Billy was eventually returned to Melbourne to live with Tracy’s parents who raised him from then on. Tracy saw Billy a few times but eventually she returned to her life of drugs and sex work and rarely spoke to her family. When Billy was around 10 years old, Tracy’s family left Melbourne and settled into a new life on Queensland’s Gold Coast. At around this time Tracy fell pregnant again. When the baby was born she gave him up for adoption. Over the years she drifted in and out of her nomadic lifestyle. And then she met Tony Melissovas. The couple were happy together, moving in with Tony’s mother and entering rehabilitation to get off heroin. Clean, Tracy even obtained employment in a cafe, working with Tony’s mother. By all accounts she loved the work, she was happy and the job lasted for several years. Things were looking up. Then, in 2009, Tony’s mother died and the pair started a downward spiral. They both returned to using heroin and before long Tracy was back on the streets of St Kilda, working as Kelly, to pay for the drugs. In late 2012 or early 2013, the Ford Econovan that Tracy and Tony called home broke down and they had it towed to Greeves Street outside the St Kilda Gatehouse, a refuge for street-based sex workers that Tracy frequented. There she felt safe and had a lot of friends. Everybody – other workers, clientele and the social workers who worked at the Gatehouse – thought highly of Tracy, describing her as friendly and cheerful and always willing to lend a helping hand. Her exotic good looks didn’t go unnoticed either. Social worker Lucy Valentino remembered, ‘I’d rock up to work and there’s the van, and there’d be these big long legs coming out of the van and even though Tracy was technically homeless, she’d come out of that bloody van looking like a model.’ Tracy spoke to her friends about getting out of the life, often while baking cupcakes or having a cup of tea at the Gatehouse.

She truly disliked the life she was leading but couldn’t see many alternatives. Nonetheless, she was a loved member of her community and many have noted that she never came across as a ‘strung out druggie’, a label that too easily stereotypes heroin users. *** When Tracy kissed her boyfriend goodnight and walked away from his hospital bed, neither of them had any clue that they would never see each other again. Tracy never took clients back to their van, preferring instead to go in the client’s car to another location. In fact, Tony always held onto the keys, removing any temptation that his partner could be talked into using it. But Tony was in hospital that Saturday night, and Tracy had the keys to the van. Perhaps, without Tony there to watch out for her, without him diligently taking down the registration numbers of each punter, Tracy felt less threatened in the relative safety of her own home, in easy view of the Gatehouse and of her friend who slept in her own vehicle only 20 metres away. Perhaps the cold of that winter night made her desperate to get indoors for a while. Whatever the reason, Tracy found herself in a van with the man who would take her life. When Tracy’s body was found, battered and with extensive injuries to her head and upper body, her handbag, mobile phone and credit card were missing. Was this a robbery gone wrong? Had somebody, presumably a client, decided to rob the few things Tracy owned? Had she fought back, enraging him so that the crime escalated into this brutal murder? Or was murder the intention all along? Perhaps the missing possessions were simply an act of staging by the perpetrator. Surprisingly, given the brutal nature of the attack, the media  remained silent for more than a day. Then came the headlines: ‘Homicide police investigate prostitute’s death in St Kilda’, ‘St Kilda prostitute brutally murdered’. The story was simple, its inference clear: a street-walking, heroin-addicted prostitute was dead. Everyone knew she must have led a high-risk life, and put herself in harm’s way. This wasn’t a crime that affected everybody, it was restricted. The public at large were safe. No newspaper space was wasted, no air time given on television. Tracy’s death didn’t matter. But it did matter. It mattered to Tony Melissovas. It mattered to Tracy’s family who had spent a lifetime afraid of that particular knock on the door, that horrifying phone call; a call, when it came, that led to Tracy’s mother suffering a heart attack. It mattered to the other girls who worked near Tracy and considered her a friend. It mattered to the workers at St Kilda Gatehouse who looked forward to their regular cuppas and a chat with Tracy. And, fortunately, it mattered to a journalist who happened to see Tracy each day on her way to work. When news of the death broke, The Age journalist Wendy Squires wrote a blog about a woman she passed each day, who she occasionally gave coffee to, who was always quick with a bright smile and a wave. Squires didn’t know the identity of the murdered sex worker, what she did know was that her friend hadn’t been on her usual corner for days. Squires appealed to the universe for the murdered woman not to be Tracy. She spent days trying to establish the identity of the victim. When her worst fears were confi rmed, her blog post was quickly updated and ‘Her name was Tracy Connelly and she was my friend’, a heartfelt and equally heartbreaking story, went viral across social media platforms. Just as people were starting to sit up and take notice, Tony Melissovas released a photo of himself and Tracy through social media. It was an image taken a few years ago, of the happy couple snuggling in the snowfi elds. Almost overnight Tracy Connelly became human in the eyes of the public: her smile was warm, her face was open, hopeful, and her eyes were kind. Suddenly Tracy wasn’t just some anonymous drug-addicted street worker; she became a real woman with hopes and dreams and a life. A week after Tracy’s murder, Melbourne radio station Joy FM ran a special tribute to Tracy during their weekly show The Vixen Hour. Friends of Tracy were asked to talk about her, and their memories made her real, well beyond the headlines that had struggled to even print her name: I knew her as a lovely lady, as a friend; helpful to everybody, always sweet, always came in and gave you a kiss g’day and said, ‘Hello darls’ to everybody. She will be very, very missed. She was a delightful person, wonderful to have a discussion with. Very well spoken. Very articulate. She was lovely. I’ve known Tracy for over 10 years. She was loved by pretty much everybody in St Kilda. She was incredibly warm, very intelligent, exceptionally beautiful – and exceptionally brown, in winter as well. And she was loved by all. Tracy, to me, represents – I suppose she’s an image of myself because she’s worked ever since I’ve been here. Like, we used to share the same corner – we’re talking nearly 20 years ago and she’s been there. She’s always been around. So just a huge shock and totally devastating. I knew Tracy for four and a half years. We saw each other daily. I really connected with her around parenting ’cause she had some boys and I’ve got a boy, and she was always interested in how my 12-year-old was doing and whether he was still being a nightmare. Always had really wise words to say, which was awesome. And also the thing about her is that she had the best posture. When I saw her I would always stand up straight. I will remember that forever. If I want a picture in my mind, it’s her standing up really straight, looking fabulous – and being an amazing person that cared more about others than she did about herself. My experience of Tracy as a friend towards me was Tracy saw me walking back to the Gatehouse late one afternoon. I was severely traumatised by some news from the doctor about myself. Her and her partner pulled over and made damn sure that I got to where I needed to go, which was back to the doctors. She would have stopped to help anybody that needed help; she was a very loving, very caring person, and I will miss her terribly. She was just the most beautiful person. She would bounce into the Gatehouse, always happy. Never want to give you any of her pain. Never showed her pain. Always interested in what everyone else was doing, and – just lovely. Beautiful, beautiful person. Defi nitely a light’s gone out at the Gatehouse now. I was lucky and privileged and honoured to know the beautiful Tracy. Not only was she exotic and beautiful to look at, she was warm, friendly, and had one of the best senses of humour. I would often see her when I was down in St Kilda, working. She had her own special corner and we’d often have conversations around her special corner because I knew police would probably charge her with loitering. But she assured me she had a lovely relationship with all the people around that particular corner. I was a very close friend of Tracy’s and she was a very beautiful person. She had a heart of gold and she’d do anything for anybody. I love Tracy, and everyone loves her – and that’s the way she’ll always be remembered. I remember Tracy as a bit of a character, but a lovely, lovely girl who has been around for a long, long time. Special little things I remember about her was her lovely manners and beautiful posture. She would trot in here on her high heeled boots, and make us all laugh. And trot in and have a drink of cordial, and go back to work. And she had to work. She worked very, very hard. She was hard to get to know but once you got under that hard exterior she was the sweetest person that you could ever fi nd . . . and she made boobs out of nothing, and she inspired me. Now I do the same thing. Tracy Connelly. She was very personable and very polite but she was also funny. Very dynamic in her way. Used to tell little stories about family and how her dad would renovate, then her mum wouldn’t like it, then he’d do it the other way. Very dedicated renovator. And little stories about people and things, incidents that had happened. Tracy was my friend, she’s really special. I know that sounds a bit cliché but Tracy really did stand out for me because she gave of herself so much. She gave me more than I could ever have given to her. She was beautiful, she was deep, she will be deeply missed.

The media at large were forced to take notice and several articles were printed about the life of Tracy Connelly. A candlelight vigil, attended by the St Kilda community, Tracy’s family and friends, as well as several well-known celebrities, was held to honour the life of Tracy and to bring emphasis to the often invisible and ignored side of Melbourne’s nightlife. What happened in those early morning hours of 21 July? Had someone been watching, someone who knew her routines, her habits? Someone who knew that for the fi rst time in years her minder was not out on the streets this night? Was it a crime of opportunity? A client who met Tracy and went back to her van with her for sex then saw a chance to rob her? Or was it someone with a more sadistic bent who stole her purse, phone and credit card to mask their real intentions? Two separate weapons were used to batter the life out of Tracy. The injuries she sustained to her head and chest were horrifi c – more than were necessary to disable someone in order to steal then fl ee the scene, more than was ‘necessary’ to end her life. Police released CCTV footage that showed Tracy at the corner of Mitchell and Carlisle Streets, St Kilda, at 11.30 p.m. on Saturday, 20 July 2013. Police said CCTV footage showed Tracy with at least one other person within 20 metres of her van between 1.30 a.m. and 2.30 a.m. on Sunday morning. Other CCTV footage of a man walking along the street wearing a jacket and white shoes was also released by police. It is possible that this man inadvertently witnessed something important to the case and police are very keen to speak to him. Yet more footage showed a dark-coloured late-model ute, the owner of which the police are especially keen to speak to. A year earlier when police released CCTV footage of another wanted man to the public, they had been swamped with tips; the blue-hoodie-clad man had been caught by the cameras of a bridal boutique in Brunswick, he had been talking to Jill Meagher, she was missing. He was identifi ed to police within hours. Police were optimistic that they would have similar success with this CCTV footage, yet no meaningful leads have come from it. The predator who took Tracy Connelly’s life remains at large. Police believe it was a robbery gone wrong. They collected DNA and, although it doesn’t match anyone in known databases, it may one day unlock the mystery. Tracy’s friends still talk about her as if she hasn’t quite left the building. They relate stories of her life with great affection and sadness. They laugh when they recall stories of her mischief, like the cupcake-making afternoon at St Kilda Gatehouse where, vanilla essence in hand, Tracy added a few drops to the mix then skulled the rest of the bottle. Or of the time she managed to fi nd that one hidden bottle of champagne. They miss that moment where she would burst into the drop-in centre, with a beaming smile on her face and a ‘Hello, darls.’ Those closest to Tracy remember her genuine love for Tony. It’s common on the streets to have a ‘partner’, but often it’s a relationship of convenience, of mutual need. Tracy and Tony, they say, had a strong connection: solid, tight and genuine. Real love. Tony, according to people who knew him, was broken and guilt-ridden when Tracy was murdered. In some ways it is amongst her peers that she has left the most yawning of chasms. In any workplace people need mentors, people who have been in the job for a while, who can teach them the ropes, the shortcuts, the tips to keep them safe. Tracy’s reputation on the streets was of a careful woman, who was aware of the risks, and who did as much as she could to minimise them. She was known to be a great support to younger workers. Someone who looked out for you. Someone who cared.

In quiet, refl ective moments she would say she hated the life. Hated it. She wanted to fi nd a way out. She would talk to people about Billy, about Tony, about what might have been, and what could still be possible. Tracy Connelly would be surprised if she knew what had happened since her death. She had been in the game for many years, and knew the public’s perceptions about her lifestyle. It was a lifestyle she had grown to despise, that she dreamed of escaping. It left her feeling like she wasn’t worth very much. She couldn’t have been more wrong,


Double killer David Troy Masters to spend another three years in jail

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PHIL HICKEY, PerthNow

March 7, 2015

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British student Fiona Carty who was murdered by David Troy Masters

A DOUBLE murderer who killed two women more than 20 years ago will spend at least another three years in a WA jail after being denied parole this week.

David Troy Masters, 49, has spent the past 24 years incarcerated for murders he committed in 1987 and 1991. Masters raped and murdered 30-year-old Victoria Clarke in her home on Leonard St, Victoria Park, in April 1987. Masters had broken into Ms Clarke’s flat while she was out. When she came home, he raped and strangled her. Within a month of her murder, he fled to Queensland, where he was born. In May 1991, Masters murdered 21-year-old British tourist Fiona Carty in a backpackers’ lodge in Katherine in the Northern Territory. Masters had also strangled her after attempting to rape her. He was arrested and charged with Ms Carty’s murder in June 1991. He was sentenced to life in jail for the murder and attempted rape of Ms Carty. In 1998, he was extradited to WA and handed a second life imprisonment term for killing Ms Clarke, with a seven-year non-parole period.

The judge who jailed Masters for the murder of Ms Clarke described the killing as “savage and unrelenting”.

“I would not have contemplated that you would ever be released on parole,” the judge said.

This week, the WA Prisoner’s Review Board (PRB) handed a report to Attorney-General Michael Mischin recommending Masters not be released. The board must compile a report on his suitability for release every three years. On Tuesday, a spokeswoman for Mr Mischin said: “The Attorney-General has today accepted a recommendation by the PRB not to release Mr Masters to parole.WA Police Superintendent John Lindley, who investigated Ms Clarke’s murder in 1991 as a detective with the homicide squad, said he was pleased with the decision. “It is heartening to know that the parole board members have given due consideration to this man’s past history in relation to the circumstances of the crimes he committed, his rehabilitation and suitability to assimilate within society,” he said.

“They should be recognised for their leadership role and decision in this instance.

Masters will not be considered for early release again until 2018.

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David Troy Masters. Photo courtesy of Australian Police Journal.

Double murderer could be freed

ALANA BUCKLEY-CARR

Wednesday, March 16, 2011

https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/double-murderer-could-be-freed-ng-ya-177005

Double murderer could be freed

A double murderer who raped and strangled a young WA woman after lying in wait for her at her apartment will today be considered for release by the Prisoners Review Board.

David Troy Masters, 46, was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1991 for the murder and attempted rape of British backpacker Fiona Carty in the Northern Territory.

While in prison in Darwin for Ms Carty's murder, Masters admitted murdering Victoria Clark in her Victoria Park apartment in 1987. Masters is one of six murderers being housed in WA prisons who committed their crimes outside the State but were transferred to WA.

Masters was transferred in 1999 and sentenced to a second term of life imprisonment for Ms Clark's killing, this one with a seven-year minimum non-parole period.

A spokesman for the Department of Corrective Services said four prisoners were transferred to WA from other States during 2010. At the end of January, 21 interstate prisoners were being housed in WA jails.

A former waiter, Masters lived in a unit overlooking Ms Clark's ground floor flat when he broke in through a side window in 1987. When she came home he raped, mutilated and beat her before smothering her with a cushion.

Masters was questioned by police at the time of Ms Clark's murder as someone who lived next door to the victim. He was not charged until he was arrested for the other crime in the NT.

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Double killer David Troy Masters to spend another three years in jail

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PHIL HICKEY, PerthNow March 7, 2015

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A DOUBLE murderer who killed two women more than 20 years ago will spend at least another three years in a WA jail after being denied parole this week. David Troy Masters, 49, has spent the past 24 years incarcerated for murders he committed in 1987 and 1991.

Masters raped and murdered 30-year-old Victoria Clarke in her home on Leonard St, Victoria Park, in April 1987. Masters had broken into Ms Clarke’s flat while she was out. When she came home, he raped and strangled her. Within a month of her murder, he fled to Queensland, where he was born. In May 1991, Masters murdered 21-year-old British tourist Fiona Carty in a backpackers’ lodge in Katherine in the Northern Territory. Masters had also strangled her after attempting to rape her. He was arrested and charged with Ms Carty’s murder in June 1991. He was sentenced to life in jail for the murder and attempted rape of Ms Carty.

In 1998, he was extradited to WA and handed a second life imprisonment term for killing Ms Clarke, with a seven-year non-parole period. The judge who jailed Masters for the murder of Ms Clarke described the killing as “savage and unrelenting”. “I would not have contemplated that you would ever be released on parole,” the judge said. This week, the WA Prisoner’s Review Board (PRB) handed a report to Attorney-General Michael Mischin recommending Masters not be released.

The board must compile a report on his suitability for release every three years. On Tuesday, a spokeswoman for Mr Mischin said: “The Attorney-General has today accepted a recommendation by the PRB not to release Mr Masters to parole.WA Police Superintendent John Lindley, who investigated Ms Clarke’s murder in 1991 as a detective with the homicide squad, said he was pleased with the decision. “It is heartening to know that the parole board members have given due consideration to this man’s past history in relation to the circumstances of the crimes he committed, his rehabilitation and suitability to assimilate within society,” he said. “They should be recognised for their leadership role and decision in this instance.

Masters will not be considered for early release again until 2018.

David Troy Masters. Photo courtesy of Australian Police Journal.


There was an attempted abduction and of a girl from
 the Cottesloe Hotel, Perth, Western Australia in 1989.

This attempted abduction has been report in the Subiaco Post Newspaper on the 14th of November, 2015 as per the below article

https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831/POST-Newspaper-for-14th-of-November-2015





Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #8 ARREST*

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #8 ARREST*

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25-12-2015 Naccipear 

 Originally Posted by mandy.maree 

Did she actually say they weren't sexually assaulted or that there was no evidence of sexual assault? 
Because the latter I understand. The former I doubt could be proven for fact considering some time had passed before they were found.
 
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Page 35 (last paragraph) & page 36 (first paragraph). It wasn't the author that stated it didn't appear Jane was sexually assaulted but the Police. "As far as they can tell" which would be difficult given the state that the author described the body being in. 
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25-12-2015  YoureNicked 

 Originally Posted by hateyrgutsloveyrface 

Yeah I don't think he would have tapped a phone box. 
I haven't heard about the Lakeway Drive-In attack, do you have a link or more information you can PM me?

See this article from the Post newspaper: https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831...-November-2015

25-12-2015  Alessi 

Well that certainly is curious. Another person is still serving time for the murder of Victoria Clark. That particular perpetrator also killed another woman in another state.

I wonder if the newspaper mixed it up or perhaps the poor woman was attacked on two occasions by two different perpetrators.

 Originally Posted by Dragun 

So back to the kimono - I went and got the paper out of the bin and used a magnifying glass to read the newspaper cutting in this picture

The text says :
"The West Australian, Perth Wednesday Feruary 17 1988
Kimono clue to a brutal killing
by Cyril Ayris
This kimono may be the clue that helps
  solve the brutal killing of Victoria Heather
Clark, 30, in Victoria Park last September.
It was dropped by a man that walked
into a Huntingdale house early on Monday morning and lay on top of a sleeping 18-year-old girl...
The kimono is the first good clue the police
have been given in recent sex attacks in the area.
Det-Sgt Max Kiernan said the man
  apparently walked into the house..."
I still don't see what the link is??

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25-12-2015  meticulously 

 Originally Posted by Alessi View Post

Well that certainly is curious. Another person is still serving time for the murder of Victoria Clark. That particular perpetrator also killed another woman in another state.
I wonder if the newspaper mixed it up or perhaps the poor woman was attacked on two occasions by two different perpetrators.
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Theres nothing to be confused about though 

25-12-2015   The Hobo

 Originally Posted by YoureNicked 

I just asked my father about Telstra in the 90's and he said that exchanges, even the small, suburban ones were only accessible to staff who worked there. Most exchanges only had a few staff. Most technicians never went to an exchange - they received their jobs via a remote office.

For those few staff authorised to access an exchange, access was via keypad and all entrances were logged electronically at a central base. I didn't get to ask whether there were cameras installed at these exchanges as Mum didn't want talk of such dark things on Christmas Day but I would doubt there were cameras in those days.


There are plenty of exchanges that are still key locked. No electronic logging etc.
 
I don't recall ever seeing keypads, but the majority are via eacs now, such is just an rfid card swiped on a card reader.
 
Most exchanges in the mid 90s were key.
 
I'm not sure the exchanges come into it, the proximity is a coincidence in my mind. There's so many exchanges out there, most crimes will be near one.

25-12-2015   The Hobo 

 Originally Posted by mandy.maree 

Maybe the girls were wary of taxi drivers. I'm thinking if I was in the area at the time and police are interviewing taxi drivers in relation to disappearances...maybe a stranger offering a lift in a non taxi vehicle could seem a safer option!
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Maybe for CG, but for JR and especially SS, there was no known danger of taxis.

25-12-2015    meticulously 

 Originally Posted by Frankie1972 

if a car stop that night we would of seen that

Frankie72 has that always been the story you've told?
What do you think now that the perpetrator has been caught ?
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25-12-2015     hateyrgutsloveyrface 

 Originally Posted by YoureNicked 

See this article from the Post newspaper: https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831...-November-2015

I don't think this is BE. The description doesn't seem to match as at the time of this occurring (1989), he would have been 19-21.

25-12-2015     Sutton 

 Originally Posted by mandy.maree 

I'm really curious about the other peoples clothes found with Claremont victims.
Were they off other victims of his also?? Sure seems to be headed that way.
Maybe he covered his face with them..or maybe he left them as smart ass clues about the others for police
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BBM.
Hi, mandy.maree. Can you link your source(s) for this? Thank you.

25-12-2015     Sutton 

 Originally Posted by Misticaldees 

Where is papertrail at? His posts look sooooo sus now.

Papertrail has posted since the arrest. If you click his or her user name you can read their latest posts.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831/POST-Newspaper-for-14th-of-November-2015

YoureNicked 

 Originally Posted by hateyrgutsloveyrface 

I don't think this is BE. The description doesn't seem to match as at the time of this occurring (1989), he would have been 19-21.

Yes, good point. I had forgotten the victim said her attacker seemed older 'at least thirty' due to his hard whiskers, which would make him too old to have been BE.

YoureNicked 

 Originally Posted by hateyrgutsloveyrface 

I don't think this is BE. The description doesn't seem to match as at the time of this occurring (1989), he would have been 19-21.

Yes, good point. I had forgotten the victim said her attacker seemed older 'at least thirty' due to his hard whiskers, which would make him too old to have been BE.

Originally Posted by meticulously 


News article that mentions miscellaneous clothing at wellard
 







   Kimono Clue To A Brutal Killing of Victor Heather Cark in Victoria Park in September, 1987 
                                                                               By Cyril Ayris

                                                    West Australian Newspaper 17th February, 1988

                                                    http://imgur.com/a/0Ozgt

 Brutal Murder of Victor Heather Clark in Victoria Park in September, 1987
                                 

                                                                                                                                           

                                         Detective Sergeant John Callegari holds a silken dressing gown for this picture 
                                       taken by Rod Taylor of the West Australian Newspaper of the 16th of February, 1988
                                                             

Silk kimono is the key clue to Brutal Murder of Victor Heather Cark in Victoria Park in September,1987. It was dropped by a man who had brokedninto a Huntingdale residence early Monday morning the 15th of February, 1988, and then lay onto of a sleeping 18-year-old girl….

The silk kimono is the vital good clue Western Australian Police believe will help solve sex attacks the area….. Detective Sergeant Mark Kilpatrick believe that the man walked into the Huntingdale house through the back door….

West Australian Newspaper 17th February, 1988 Victor Heather Cark in Victoria Park in 1987

Picture by Rod Taylor

Detective John Calangari with the silk kimomo  Western Australian Police hope will be the clue to help them catch the killer of

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4063928/Silk-kimono-stolen-clothesline-28-years-ago-key-clue-solving-Claremont-killings-cold-case-arrest-Bradley-Robert-Edwards.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaremontSerialKiller

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5juixs/western_australian_police_have_announced_that_the/

Comment by foxymoron1:

Did anyone see the West Australian newspaper articles from the 17th of February, 1988, which links the Huntingdale silk kimono…..

 ( which the Western Australian Police say is the key DNA clue to solving the Claremont Serial Killings, because the police say they found the same DNA on the body of Ciara Glennon, the silk kimono found after the Hungtindale assault of the 18-year-old girl in her home on the 15th of February, 1988 and the girl that was abducted walking under a Clarmont Subway and the taken to the Karakatta Cemetery and raped…)…..

….to a ‘brutal killing’ in Victoria Park un 1987? A woman named Victoria Heather Clark was murdered after a man broke into her home abnd raped her. The man, named David Troy Masters ( who apparently lived in her apartment block), has  been in jail for 25 year for that murder. Police initially thought it was related to the Huntingdale attack on the 15th of February, 1988. But now the Western Australian Police now claim that committed the Huntingdale sexual assault on the 15th of February, 1988and the same silk kimono, are linked to the Claremont Serial Killer (CSK) instead… and the Western Australian Police are now saying that they are certain that whoever committed the Huntingdale sexual assault on the 15th of February, 1988, is the same person that abducted and murdered Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon in June 1996 and March 1997…

Comment by Bigwood69:

I’ve never heard about this, that could be huge!

Comment by foxymoron1:

I was on page 2 of Saturday’s West and yet I can’t find anyone anywhere talking about it!

Comment by Bigwood69:

I’s imagine there may be a strong reason that that ….

Comment by othervee:

Comment was deleted, because the comment was too controversial and maybe the website could be sued for what was said..

Comment by Bigwood69:

Holy crap. Any proof that this is the actual guy?

Comment by othervee:

I can’t find any prrof and I suspect the YouTube channel belongs to some poor guy who unfortunately share a name with the suspect. The Dr Who fanfic writer gives his location as the West Midlands, which is in the United Kingdom, and he’s the same guy as the YouTube channel.

Comment by Bigwood69:

Yeah, I said in another reply, after seeing that his location was West Midlands and only finding a single fanfic /vid I figured this was just some unfortunate dude with th same name…

Comment by othervee:

Comment was deleted, because the comment was too controversial and maybe the website could be sued for what was said..

Comment by othervee:

Possibly not the same guy  …. fanfic writer gives his location as the West Midlands..

Comment by Bigwood69:

Are you sure this is the guy? Because that guy’s profile says he lives in the West Midlands which is England

Silk kimono is the key clue in the Claremont killings: Robe stolen from backyard clothesline 28 YEARS ago 'provides DNA link between serial murder case, a teen rape and the man now charged with both'

A kimono dropped during a break-in and attempted rape of a woman in a northern Perth suburb in 1988, is believed to have been a vital clue in the case

DNA samples from the kimono matched samples recovered from body of third victim Ciara Glennon, and a woman, 17, who was sexually assaulted in 1995 

Bradley Edwards was arrested at his Kewdale property in WA on Thursday

He was charged with allegedly sexually assaulting two women, aged 17 and 18

Was also charged with wilful murder of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon in 1990s

Edwards, a stepfather, was also a volunteer at his local Little Athletics Club 

By Ashleigh Davis and Martha Azzi For Daily Mail Australia

PUBLISHED: 15:09, 24 December 2016

 

A silk kimono stolen 28 years ago is believed to be the clue that helped solve the cold case of the Claremont killings.

 

In 1988 the white kimono embroidered with birds and flowers was dropped when a man broke into a Huntingdale woman's house and tried to rape her, reported Perth Now.

The man responsible reportedly dropped it while running from the house, where it was found and put into storage at WA Police's evidence recieval centre. 



A silk kimono (pictured) stolen 28 years ago during a break-in and attempted sexual assault of
an 18-year-old woman, is believed to be the clue that helped police solve the cold case of the Claremont killings



Missing and Murdered

http://missingandmurderedaustralia.blogspot.ie/2011/06/claremont-timeline.html

SATURDAY, JUNE 4, 2011

Over the last 25 years in Western Australia there has been multiple incidences of young women being attacked, murdered or ...vanishing. With several attacks put down to the Claremont Serial Killer (CSK). 

A 5km section of Stirling Hwy running through Claremont, Cottesloe and Mosman Park has seen many attacks.

 Statistically far too many attacks and with the Pamela Lawrence murder back in the unsolved column and The Sharon Mason murder conviction looking less and less safe the statistics only seem likely to get worse. 

1988 June 20 Julie Cutler was last seen leaving the Parmelia Hilton Hotel Perth on St Georges Terrace at 12.30am after a staff function.
 Julie is not seen again. Her car is found 2 days later in the sea off Cottesloe Beach. 

1994 Jan 1 woman driving home from Club Bay View fights off man who dragged her from her car and tried to rape her near the Claremont subway 

1994 May 23 Pamela Lawrence is murdered at her shop in Mosman Park. Andrew Mark Mallard is wrongfully convicted of her murder in 1995. 
He is ultimately cleared...
some 12 years later 1994 Oct A 31-year-old woman breaks her ankle when she leaps from a speeding taxi on Princess Road after the driver and another man try to attack her. 

1995 Feb 12 Teenager abducted in Rowe Park, tied with electrical flex and raped at Karrakatta Cemetery. 

1996 Jan 27 Sarah Spiers 18, spends the evening with friends at Club Bay View. At 2.06am, she calls taxi from a Claremont phone box. When the taxi arrives she has gone and is not seen again. 

1996 Feb Police confirm they have received reports of bogus taxis in Perth. 
1996 Mar 3 A 21-year-old woman is bashed and indecently assaulted in Church Lane behind Club Bay View. 

1996 Jun 9 At 12.15am Jane Rimmer is last seen by four friends outside the Continental Hotel after deciding not to share a taxi home. 1996 July 1 Police issue questionnaires to 100 suspects. 

1996 Aug 3 Rimmer's naked body is found in bush at semi-rural Wellard, 35km south of Perth, lightly covered with sticks and twigs a few metres off road. Police comb bush, divers search lakes.

 1996 Aug 31 More than 35 taxi drivers are sacked during August after new checks reveal histories of violence or perversion. 

The search for overseas convictions eventually leads to 78drivers losing their licences. 1997 Mar 14 Ciara Glennon farewells friends outside Continental Hotel about midnight. 1997 Mar 16 Police say they fear a serial killer is on the loose, release year-old photo of Glennon with dark, curly hair. 

1997 Mar 17 State Government announces $250,000 reward for information. 1997 Mar 18 Denis Glennon makes an emotional appeal for help from the public. "Clara's alive - we believe that," he says. Police say more than 3,000 people have come forward with information. 1997 Mar 19 Police release up-to-date photo of Glennon, showing much lighter hair. 1997 April 3 Glennon's body found in bush north of Perth. 

2000 November 8 Sarah Anne McMahon, finishes her shift at a Claremont retail store. Leaves work and fails to make it home.

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Rottnest head: Aaron Carlino launches appeal against conviction, jail term for murder of Stephen Cookson

By Joanna Menagh -1 7 Nov 2014

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PHOTO: Aaron Carlino (pictured) was convicted of murdering Stephen Cookson.

A Perth man jailed over the death of a drug dealer whose head washed up on Rottnest Island has lodged an appeal against his conviction and sentence.

Last month, Aaron Carlino was sentenced to life in jail with a 23-year minimum term after being found guilty of murdering Stephen Cookson at an apartment in East Perth in December 2012.

Carlino admitted fatally shooting Cookson, 56, twice in the head as he slept, and cutting his body into six pieces.

He used an angle grinder to dismember Cookson's body, and initially buried his body parts at Golden Bay, south of Perth, before they were dug up and dumped at sea.

A young girl found Cookson's head when it washed up at Porpoise Bay on Rottnest Island in January 2013.

The rest of the body parts have never been found.

Carlino maintained he acted in self-defence because he believed he or members of his family were going to be harmed.

During his trial, the court was told Cookson initially employed Carlino as his driver, but he became Cookson's right-hand man, doing his shopping and laundry and assisting him in criminal activities.

The defence said that by the time of his death, Cookson effectively controlled every aspect of Carlino's life, and Carlino believed he had no choice other than to kill him.

The jury rejected this argument and found him guilty of murder.

Carlino lodged papers with the Supreme Court last week, appealing against the verdict and his sentence.

Before the trial started, Justice Stephen Hall ruled that the defence could not call evidence from a psychologist that suggested Carlino was suffering from something similar to "battered-wife syndrome".

 



WA drug kingpin Paul Musarri likely to die in jail

EXCLUSIVE, Tim Clarke Legal Affairs Editor

Tuesday, September 06, 2016 

MR CUNNINGHAM (Girrawheen) [8.01 pm]_Hansard- Western Australian Parliament 14th September, 1999.
"The effect on the community, and in particular its young people, is devastating.
 The public does not realise how many of our decent young people are dying.
The community is desperate for zero drug tolerance. .."
 


https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/wa-drug-kingpin-paul-musarri-likely-to-die-in-jail-ng-ya-117519

Western Australian Hansard 14th September, 1999  Page 1119
The activities of drug enforcement agencies in their dealings with the infamous Clearys of 36 Muswell Street, Balga, the Williams of 32 Redcliffe Avenue and 10A Morgan Way, and the Pearsons of 4B Morgan Way are a disgraceful indictment of our law enforcement agencies. What we do in the coming days and months will decide the fate of these drug dealers and, in turn, the fate of the community and its young people. Now is the time to act swiftly. This may seem a desperate measure, but in desperate times, one does desperate things. I assure members that these are desperate times. 

MR KOBELKE (Nollamara) [8.20 pm]: I will speak briefly to the amendment moved by the member for Pilbara and spoken to so well by the member for Girrawheen. 

I commend the member for Girrawheen for having the courage to take up this issue in such a forthright way. The member's electorate has a boundary with mine. Although the problems do not seem as severe in the electorate of Nollamara, I am aware of the problems. In fact, one or two months ago someone complained to me about a property in the area just across the border in the electorate of Girrawheen at which drug dealing was going on. I wrote to the local police explaining that neighbours had suggested that there was a problem in the hope that the police would investigate. What happens so often is that the problem just continues.
In some cases I have written to the police, given the address of the property and pointed out the problem. I have received a reply and a few weeks later the neighbours have informed me that the people had moved out and the problems no longer seemed evident in their area. On other occasions the problem just seems to continue. We have reached the stage at which something must be done. It is not easy. The causes of the problem are complex and the solutions, therefore, will not be simple ones. However, we can not allow this canker on our community to fester and grow. 

It is getting out of control in so many areas. 
For people like the member for Girrawheen and the citizens in his area who have supported him to take a stand is of great importance and we must deal with this problem. 

The member for Girrawheen would be the first to admit that he does not have the solution to the problem, but he is not willing to give up. He wants the matter addressed and, in part, he and the concerned citizens in his area will address it and apply direct pressure to the drug dealers who are haunting the streets of our suburbs. In addition, his actions will put pressure on the Government to ensure that this problem is not swept under the carpet and that it is addressed in a more thorough way. It is almost commonplace now to find needles lying around shopping centres, parks and even school grounds.

  

Paolo “Paul” Musarri, a WA drug kingpin who was once a colourful and integral part of Perth’s own version of Underbelly, will spend his dying years in prison after being taken down in a major police sting.

The 67-year-old was once named in court as being behind the international heroin deal that resulted in the 1986 execution of Perth’s Brian Chambers and Australian Kevin Barlow in Malaysia.

He was back in the dock yesterday after pleading guilty in July to two separate Perth drug deals in 2013 and 2014 that were foiled by police investigating interstate crime syndicates.

A LIFE OF CRIME: THE INSIDE STORY OF PAUL MUSARRI

In the first, just before Christmas three years ago, Musarri and his then partner were at a Warnbro house awaiting delivery of 361g of high-purity heroin when police swooped. They found $131,800 in cash in the house that was intended to pay for the drugs.

The District Court was told that while on bail for the drug deal, Musarri was at the centre of a plot to buy and sell tens of thousands of dollars of crystal methamphetamine, known as ice, through two Vietnamese connections. Undercover police captured phone conversations, photos and video of the dealings.

Musarri was involved in a meth deal involving 28g, two deals of under a gram where he admitted selling “tasters” of the drug, and two deals of 126g and 224g in October 2014.

The final deal at Musarri’s house in Bayswater resulted in the Musarri receiving $80,000 for the drugs. Musarri woke his daughter Tammi and told her to hand over the drugs while he looked on.

The pair — and their Asian connections — were then arrested.

Judge Philip Eaton was told yesterday that Musarri had spent 27 of the past 32 years in jail after playing a major part in WA’s drug trafficking industry for the past four decades.

His lawyer Gary Massey said Musarri had heart problems, diabetes and cancer but conceded he was inevitably going to jail again.

“Since 1984, prison is all he has ever known — he has essentially wasted the best years of his life in custody,” he said.

“He regrets very much that time in custody and wants to spend some years out of jail before he passes away.”

The court was told that even as Musarri was having treatment for his cancer, he was actively arranging the drug deals in question.

It was also revealed Musarri had been taking heroin to “self-medicate” the pain of his illnesses.

He has been in custody since his arrest in October 2014. A trial was scheduled to take place in July this year before he pleaded guilty.

Musarri, his daughter Tammi and Vietnamese contacts Van Dieu Phan, 56, and Vinh Pham, 29, will be sentenced later this year.

Notorious WA drug dealer Paolo (Paul) Musarri jailed for selling ice to officer

 31 Oct 2016.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-31/notorious-wa-drug-dealer-paolo-musarri-jailed-again/7981370

A notorious West Australian drug dealer has received a further substantial prison term for selling methylamphetamine and heroin.

Paolo Musarri, 67, has spent most of his adult life behind bars for drug offences, including conspiring to import drugs in 1984 for which he received a 15-year term.

The latest offences occurred in 2013 and 2014 and were uncovered during an investigation by the WA police's Organised Crime Squad into an interstate drug trafficking ring.

The first offence in December 2013 involved Mussari attempting to buy 361 grams of heroin.

A search of his home found more than $130,000 in cash that was going to be used to buy the drugs.

Whilst on bail for that crime, he committed the second offence by selling more than 400 grams of methylamphetamine to a man called "Vinnie" who was an undercover police officer.

Musarri's 43-year-old daughter Tammi was also involved in that deal, with the District Court hearing she was living with her father at the time and he had instructed her to get the drugs from a truck to hand over to the undercover officer.

Musarri introduced daughter to heroin

Judge Philip Eaton said at the time Tammi Musarri was "significantly" affected by drugs and had been dependent on her father to give her "free" heroin.

Musarri had introduced his daughter to heroin when she was staying with him in 1999 on one of the occasions he had been released from jail.

Judge Eaton said he had taken into account Tammi Musarri's dysfunctional upbringing in giving her an 18-month suspended jail term.

However, he imposed a term of 10 years and five months' jail on Paolo Musarri, whom the court heard now had a range of health problems including being diagnosed with cancer.

It was backdated to the time of his arrest in October 2014, and he will have to serve eight years and five months before he can be released.

Two Vietnamese men were also jailed for supplying the methylamphetamine to Musarri that was sold to the undercover officer.

Van Dieu Phan, 56, who has prior convictions for drug offences, was sentenced to seven years and seven months' jail, while 29-year-old Vihn Pham was given a four-and-a-half-year sentence.


Notorious WA drug dealer Paolo (Paul) Musarri jailed for selling ice to officer

 31 Oct 2016.



Tony_Trajkoski_and_Paul_Paolo_Musarri in jail in 2003

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-31/notorious-wa-drug-dealer-paolo-musarri-jailed-again/7981370

A notorious West Australian drug dealer has received a further substantial prison term for selling methylamphetamine and heroin.

Paolo Musarri, 67, has spent most of his adult life behind bars for drug offences, including conspiring to import drugs in 1984 for which he received a 15-year term.

The latest offences occurred in 2013 and 2014 and were uncovered during an investigation by the WA police's Organised Crime Squad into an interstate drug trafficking ring.

The first offence in December 2013 involved Mussari attempting to buy 361 grams of heroin.

A search of his home found more than $130,000 in cash that was going to be used to buy the drugs.

Whilst on bail for that crime, he committed the second offence by selling more than 400 grams of methylamphetamine to a man called "Vinnie" who was an undercover police officer.

Musarri's 43-year-old daughter Tammi was also involved in that deal, with the District Court hearing she was living with her father at the time and he had instructed her to get the drugs from a truck to hand over to the undercover officer.

Musarri introduced daughter to heroin

Judge Philip Eaton said at the time Tammi Musarri was "significantly" affected by drugs and had been dependent on her father to give her "free" heroin.

Musarri had introduced his daughter to heroin when she was staying with him in 1999 on one of the occasions he had been released from jail.

Judge Eaton said he had taken into account Tammi Musarri's dysfunctional upbringing in giving her an 18-month suspended jail term.

However, he imposed a term of 10 years and five months' jail on Paolo Musarri, whom the court heard now had a range of health problems including being diagnosed with cancer.

It was backdated to the time of his arrest in October 2014, and he will have to serve eight years and five months before he can be released.

Two Vietnamese men were also jailed for supplying the methylamphetamine to Musarri that was sold to the undercover officer.

Van Dieu Phan, 56, who has prior convictions for drug offences, was sentenced to seven years and seven months' jail, while 29-year-old Vihn Pham was given a four-and-a-half-year sentence.

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Hansard Tuesday the 14th September, 1999 Page 1116 that mentiond Paul Mussari

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P.1119

 However, we can not allow this canker on our community to fester and grow. 

It is getting out of control in so many areas. 

Amendment to Motion Mr GRAHAM: I move - That the following words be added to the motion -
But we regret to inform His Excellency that the scourge of hard drugs such as heroin is hitting our community hard.
We call upon the Government as a matter of urgency to give this matter top priority.
We note that a response must be broad ranging and tackle the causes of drug abuse but further we call
on the Government to allocate the police resources
necessary to target and apprehend drug dealers.

MR CUNNINGHAM (Girrawheen) [8.01 pm]: I want to share with members of this House the practice of an elitist and selective zero tolerance drug policy that was successfully implemented recently in Cottesloe.

The August 21 edition of the Subiaco Post had a front page article entitled "Syringes Dumped Near Drug House".


The article told of the arrest of a drug dealer, or, to put it more aptly, a possible merchant of death. I believe that an extremely diligent Neighbourhood Watch assisted in the early arrest of that drug dealer, and I pay my compliments to a leading activist, Lyn Barnett, the wife of the Leader of the House, who has done an excellent job in putting together her troops to expose these people. This ma

n was arrested after police observed him selling drugs to a user. I highlight the fact that the police observed him. It is very important to know that the police observed him.

The police placed the dealer under surveillance for a week. The users were also arrested. What a success it must have been to have the police place a known drug dealer's premises under surveillance that led to a successful arrest! The state of the punters in Cottesloe must be one of great excitement and jubilation! Why was it that a week-long surveillance operation that used vast amounts of local police resources was mounted in Cottesloe, so much so that Claremont Police Station was actually closed for a day on Friday, 13 August, due to police resources being allocated to this surveillance operation? In the suburbs of Marangaroo, Alexander Heights, Girrawheen, Ballajura, Koondoola, Balga, Mirrabooka and surrounding areas, until a couple of weeks ago drug dealers were allowed to operate virtually unhindered and to flourish. Zero drug dealer tolerance is employed to great effect in suburbs such as Cottesloe.

That can be contrasted with my electorate of Girrawheen, and surrounding areas, in which there is a strong belief that local law enforcement policy has been drug dealer tolerance. The heroin drug problem in our suburbs has now reached epidemic proportions. Every third street now has at the very least a person who is dealing in drugs.

The effect on the community, and in particular its young people, is devastating.

 The public does not realise how many of our decent young people are dying. The community is desperate for zero drug tolerance.


The community does not want it in a year, a month or a week. It wants it now. I want to share with members an incident that occurred in my electorate office some weeks ago, when my long serving electorate officer and I were subjected to the most disgusting, filthy and threatening language that I have ever heard from any person since I have been active in politics; and I have been active in politics since I was 17, so it is nearly 45 years. On Wednesday, 25 August, in my electorate office, the vile and filth that came out of the mouth of a woman who was most likely in her late fifties or early sixties was, to put it simply, frightening.

Why was it frightening?
It was frightening because this woman had knowledge of a telephone call that had transpired between me and a constituent who had recently been released
from jail
and was residing at an Outcare flat in Glendalough.
The 30-minute telephone call took place some three days before this woman's invasion - because that is what it was - of my office.

My constituent gave me valuable information that, when checked out, was supported by numerous people, including neighbours, law enforcement agencies and former drug users. Most of the information I already knew. The invasion of my office confirmed what I had been told by my constituent. I realise that the policy of Outcare is to monitor incoming telephone calls to ex-prisoners under its supervision. Surely it cannot be its policy to listen in on telephone calls and to pass on that information to people who are active in the peddling and supply of drugs and to people with a police record that goes back many years. This woman who invaded my office is well known in our local area as the "Queen of the dealers". This woman and five other people, whose names I am about to place on record, have been consistently named not only by the neighbours and former drug users, but also by many law enforcement officers over a long time. The person in question who invaded my office and threatened me and my staff is Denise Pearson of 4B Morgan Way, Girrawheen. She is a well-known supplier of hard-core death drugs to that infamous Redcliffe Avenue address, as well as a supplier to Clare Williams of 32 Redcliffe Avenue, Marangaroo, and Robyn Williams of 10A Morgan Way, Girrawheen, all of whom have been brought continuously to my attention and the attention of the police as being local drug dealers. There is also an extremely strong belief that another house of death - I will use those words - like that at Redcliffe Avenue is being supplied by Pearson. That is 36 Muswell Street, Balga, which is occupied by Sandra and Lisa Cleary, a mother and daughter duo who are well known to the police, the courts and people in the drug scene, particularly the heroin drug scene. Sandra Cleary is currently serving a jail sentence after pleading guilty earlier this year to selling heroin. I want to dwell for some time on the house of death at 36 Muswell Street, Balga. This must be one of the busiest drug outlets in the northern suburbs. This house is near the end of a cul-de-sac that abuts Beach Road, Balga. Beach Road is a well used road between Marmion Avenue and Alexander Drive. This evil house of death is known to have had many drug-related deaths since 1996. Some of the heroin users at Muswell Street overdosed at that address, and their bodies were dumped at two different local shopping centres. Ms MacTiernan: Taken from the house by the people in the house and dumped?

Mr CUNNINGHAM: Yes, that is right; they were dumped.

The Clearys have extremely close links to a convicted heroin trafficker, Paul Musarri, who had links to both Geoffrey Chambers and Kevin Barlow, who were hanged in Malaysia in 1986.

Paul Musarri belonged to a drug ring that convinced a so-called businesswoman to smuggle $5m worth of heroin from Penang in the early 1980s.


Musarri was given a 15-year jail sentence as a result of heroin trafficking in August 1983.

Coincidentally, once again he has come to the notice of law enforcement officers in the State in the past few weeks.

Judge Kevin Hammond, when sentencing Sandra Cleary, who was also imprisoned in 1994 and 1995 for drug offences, said that Cleary was an important link in the heroin distribution chain.

The Clearys, unlike the other woman I mentioned, are well up the so-called drug food chain.

These women continually re-offend and seem to be totally immune from any law enforcement agencies.

This house of death has a fortress-like wall, heavy grilles on the doors and windows, and highly sophisticated police scanners.

The community find it hard to believe that only a few minor raids have occurred on these premises over the past four years.

Business carries on as usual and is unhindered by law enforcement agencies.

It is a strongly held belief in the community that there is an underground hideaway for the storage of drugs at 36 Muswell Street.

What have law enforcement agencies done to check that? Nothing.

Ms MacTiernan: Why is that?


Mr CUNNINGHAM: I will continue and it will become apparent. I happened to visit the street while doorknocking on Wednesday, 25 August, two hours after the woman had invaded my office.

I observed first-hand that in the space of only 40 minutes, between 12 and 14 cars visited the premises at 36 Muswell Street between 12.45 and 1.25 pm.


Ms MacTiernan: Obviously a very popular lady.

Mr CUNNINGHAM: I do not believe so. I do not believe for one second that the occupants of the cars were there for a social visit.

Mr Day: Have you discussed this with the local police superintendent, for example?

Mr CUNNINGHAM: I have gone much higher than that.

Mr Day: Are you saying that you are dissatisfied with the response from the police?


Mr CUNNINGHAM: No. I am just putting them on notice. Let me finish and the minister will understand what I am coming to. While I have breath in my body, I will continue to speak in this place and do what I am doing tonight. I do not believe that the evil history of this house of death has been put through any scrutiny.

Ms MacTiernan: I am surprised that the minister is attempting to defend it.

Mr Day: I am not in any way attempting to defend it; I am simply asking a question. Mr CUNNINGHAM: This evil house of death was reported by a highly respected journalist, Luke Morfesse, who wrote a series of articles in The West Australian in early 1997. Today he is the editor of the "Big Weekend" section of The West Australian. He did a brilliant job on that exposé of the drug dealers, especially heroin drug dealers, in 1997. These vile, disgusting low-life are openly showing complete contempt for the police and the local community.
In Cottesloe,which is a much different suburb, the police acted and arrested a drug dealer as a result of actions by Neighbourhood Watch. In my electorate the law enforcement agencies definitely move at a snail's pace. At other addresses in my electorate and surrounding areas there is a great deal of activity in the peddling and distribution of drugs, and they have immunity. I will mention three addresses from which the people have been arrested: They are 35 Ellenbrae Place, Marangaroo, where someone was arrested last week; 18 Hythe Road, Marangaroo, where someone was arrested three weeks ago; and 43 Steedman Loop, Mirrabooka where someone was arrested in early August. I will leave the other addresses for the time being, but next time I will include those.

Mr Day: Are you saying that the police have followed up on the information given?

Mr CUNNINGHAM: At three addresses, after the public meeting. I do not have time to give the other addresses, so they have been saved. In Cottesloe, however, the police act decisively. I am amazed at how the Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party, in the electorate of Cottesloe, can wave his magic wand and clear out these low-life leeches, while the member for Girrawheen, who represents a different class of person, has far fewer resources allocated to his electorate.

Mr Day: That is ridiculous.

Mr CUNNINGHAM: It is not ridiculous; it is true. People in the electorate of Girrawheen, and the neighbouring electorates of Wanneroo and Ballajura, have been in total despair in the struggle against the spread of hard-core drug agents in their communities. They are getting away with murder, in more ways than one. I advise those members who may doubt that there is an epidemic that my file on drug dealers and their activities has grown on a daily basis in the past couple of months. Information is brought to me by despairing members of the community, and my own investigations have been a blight on the drug enforcement agencies. This is tragic, and it costs the lives of young people in the community.

Over the past couple of weeks there has been a small ray of sunshine, as the police have made three arrests following a very successful community meeting organised by the federal member for Cowan, Graham Edwards, and me.

That meeting was attended by 320 people. Senior police, for the first time, saw the hurt, despair, anguish and desperation of our community.

Much more action is needed from these law enforcement agencies. As promised at the meeting, a candlelight vigil will be held on 10 October.

The naming of these heroin drug-dealing scum in the community cannot be carried out by one or two people.

All of us have a responsibility to seek out, expose and remove, once and for all, these drug-dealing leeches.


It is the responsibility of each and every one of us.

All members receive complaints; I receive complaints and at least I do something about them.

I do not hear about many members from the government benches doing anything about it. It is extremely frightening because these drug peddlers operate in every third street in every suburb throughout the community. That is not exaggerating the situation. In the simplest form, these people are peddlers of death. We all know these people exist. We all have desperate and despairing constituents who, over many years, have bravely provided us and the police with information and the addresses of these low-lifes. Nothing is done. We in Western Australia are so far behind the eight ball in the fight against drugs.

The activities of drug enforcement agencies in their dealings with the infamous Clearys of 36 Muswell Street, Balga,
the Williams of 32 Redcliffe Avenue and 10A Morgan Way, and
the Pearsons of 4B Morgan Way are a disgraceful indictment of our law enforcement agencies.


What we do in the coming days and months will decide the fate of these drug dealers and, in turn, the fate of the community and its young people.

Now is the time to act swiftly.

This may seem a desperate measure, but in desperate times, one does desperate things.

I assure members that these are desperate times.

MR KOBELKE (Nollamara) [8.20 pm]: I will speak briefly to the amendment moved by the member for Pilbara and spoken to so well by the member for Girrawheen.

I commend the member for Girrawheen for having the courage to take up this issue in such a forthright way.
The member's electorate has a boundary with mine. Although the problems do not seem as severe in the electorate of Nollamara, I am aware of the problems.

In fact, one or two months ago someone complained to me about a property in the area just across the border in the electorate of Girrawheen at which drug dealing was going on.

I wrote to the local police explaining that neighbours had suggested that there was a problem in the hope that the police would investigate.

What happens so often is that the problem just continues.


In some cases I have written to the police, given the address of the property and pointed out the problem.

I have received a reply and a few weeks later the neighbours have informed me that the people had moved out and the problems no longer seemed evident in their area.

On other occasions the problem just seems to continue.
We have reached the stage at which something must be done.
It is not easy.
The causes of the problem are complex and the solutions, therefore, will not be simple ones.

 However, we can not allow this canker on our community to fester and grow.


It is getting out of control in so many areas.
For people like the member for Girrawheen and the citizens in his area who have supported him to take a stand is of great importance and we must deal with this problem.

The member for Girrawheen would be the first to admit that he does not have the solution to the problem, but he is not willing to give up. He wants the matter addressed and, in part, he and the concerned citizens in his area will address it and apply direct pressure to the drug dealers who are haunting the streets of our suburbs. In addition, his actions will put pressure on the Government to ensure that this problem is not swept under the carpet and that it is addressed in a more thorough way. It is almost commonplace now to find needles lying around shopping centres, parks and even school grounds.




DRUG KING JAILED

LAW CATCHES UNDERBELLY TARGET

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The West Australian -7 Sep 2016 - Tim Clarke Legal Affairs Editor


 

Tony Trajkoski and Paul Musarri in jail in 2003

Paolo “Paul” Musarri, a WA drug kingpin who was once a colourful and integral part of Perth’s own version of Underbelly, will spend his dying years in prison after being taken down in a major police sting.

The 67-year-old was once named in court as being behind the international heroin deal that resulted in the 1986 execution of Perth’s Brian Chambers and Australian Kevin Barlow in Malaysia.

He was back in the dock yesterday after pleading guilty in July to two separate Perth drug deals in 2013 and 2014 that were foiled by undercover cops investigating interstate crime syndicates.

In the first, just before Christmas three years ago, Musarri and his then partner were at a Warnbro house awaiting delivery of 361g of high purity heroin when undercover police sprung.

They found $131,800 in cash in the house that was intended to pay for the drugs.

The District Court was told that while on bail for the drug deal, Musarri was at the centre of a plot to buy and sell tens of thousands of dollars of ice through two Vietnamese connections.

Undercover police captured phone conversations, photos and video of the dealings with a contact called “Vinnie” — who was a covert cop.

Musarri was involved in a meth deal involving 28g, two deals of under a gram where he admitted selling “tasters” of the drug and two deals of 126g and 224g in October 2014.

The final deal at Musarri’s house in Bayswater resulted

Paolo “Paul” Musarri was once the undisputed king of his own little world — and a big fish in WA’s relatively small crime pond.

Sicilian-born in 1949 into a family of seven, he was in trouble with the law by the age of 12 and while he did some day work, by night he was doing what made him the most money — and where he eventually lost most of it.

While frequenting Northbridge’s illegal gambling dens at Il Trovatore and Ginger’s, Musarri became one of the pioneers of Perth’s blossoming heroin trade, using couriers to smuggle packages from Asia’s Golden Triangle that he turned into gold.

It was gold spent on the finer things in life.

His former wife Linda Hill once described a portfolio of lavish properties, flash cars, thousands of dollars in cash under the mattress and Sydney shopping sprees.

Rubbish bags full of cannabis were hidden inside the family piano.

But most of the ill-gotten gains went on feeding Musarri’s crippling gambling addiction.

In 1983, at the height of Musarri’s peddling powers, Perth’s Brian Geoffrey Shergold Chambers and fellow Australian Kevin John Barlow were recruited to bring a batch of heroin to WA that had been stolen and buried under a tree on Ferringhi beach in Penang.

The pair were arrested at Penang International Airport and hanged for their crimes in 1986 — the first Westerners to be executed in Malaysia since World War II.

In 1988, middle-man John Asciak was convicted of conspiring with Barlow and Chambers to import the drug.

It was revealed the heroin they were carrying belonged to Musarri. He was never tried over the illfated deal.

But he has still spent 27 of the past 32 years in prison for his unceasing crossborder trade in high purity drugs — a true crime story that was given another chapter yesterday. Possibly, the last one.
       During a sentencing hearing in 2002 for selling amphetamine to former Gypsy Jokers boss Len Kirby, Musarri vowed from the dock that he would continue selling drugs on his release.
     
     
Back on the streets in 2013, Paul Musarri was true to his word.

Just before Christmas, Musarri and his then partner were awaiting the delivery of 361g of heroin at their Warnbro home by a regular female dealer.

However, police had been watching Musarri as part of bigger operation aimed at dismantling interstate drug syndicates.

They intercepted the delivery and the $131,800 in cash intended to pay for it.

Musarri, his partner and dealer were charged.

The two women were jailed for 23 months after cooperating with police.

But after being bailed, Musarri went back to doing what he knew.

Spending most of his time — and money — at the Burswood casino, his new friend “Vinnie” always knew where to find him.

What the ailing 67-yearold did not know was that Vinnie was an undercover police officer and was watching Musarri’s every move.

On October 7, 2014, Musarri gave Vinnie “a

Any days he spends in prison ... will reflect a large proportion of those he has left. Lawyer Gary Massey

taster” of the ice he was selling, which was later tested at 75 per cent purity.

The next day, Musarri completed a deal for 168g in return for $45,000 in cash.

A week later, another taster was followed by a bigger deal for 224g of the drug from his Vietnamese suppliers Van Dieu Phan, 56, and Vinh Pham, 29.

Vinnie turned up at the Bayswater house with $80,000 in cash.

He was surprised when Musarri’s daughter Tammi handed over the drugs — and even more surprised when she then “began staring quizzically, so affected by drugs she did not know what was going on”, the court was told.

Yesterday, the mother-offive wept constantly as her chaotic childhood and “horrific relationship” with her father were told to the court.

It was revealed that Tammi had been battling a heroin addiction since being introduced to the drug by her father’s girlfriend when she lived with him briefly in 1999.

Musarri is now himself a user of the drug, taking it to medicate himself for the pain from cancer.

He also has heart issues, after a heart attack while in jail in 2012, and diabetes.

Through his lawyer Gary Massey, Musarri also conceded that he was going back to prison.

“Any days he spends in prison at this time of his life will reflect a large proportion of those he has left,” Mr Massey said.

Musarri, Tammi, Phan and Pham will be sentenced later this year.

                                        DRUG KING JAILED

                     LAW CATCHES UNDERBELLY TARGET -The West Australian - 7 Sep 2016 - Tim Clarke Legal Affairs Editor

Paolo “Paul” Musarri, a WA drug kingpin who was once a colourful and integral part of Perth’s own version of Underbelly, will spend his dying years in prison after being taken down in a major police sting.

The 67-year-old was once named in court as being behind the international heroin deal that resulted in the 1986 execution of Perth’s Brian Chambers and Australian Kevin Barlow in Malaysia.

He was back in the dock yesterday after pleading guilty in July to two separate Perth drug deals in 2013 and 2014 that were foiled by undercover cops investigating interstate crime syndicates.

In the first, just before Christmas three years ago, Musarri and his then partner were at a Warnbro house awaiting delivery of 361g of high purity heroin when undercover police sprung.

They found $131,800 in cash in the house that was intended to pay for the drugs.

The District Court was told that while on bail for the drug deal, Musarri was at the centre of a plot to buy and sell tens of thousands of dollars of ice through two Vietnamese connections.

Undercover police captured phone conversations, photos and video of the dealings with a contact called “Vinnie” — who was a covert cop.

Musarri was involved in a meth deal involving 28g, two deals of under a gram where he admitted selling “tasters” of the drug and two deals of 126g and 224g in October 2014.

The final deal at Musarri’s house in Bayswater resulted

Paolo “Paul” Musarri was once the undisputed king of his own little world — and a big fish in WA’s relatively small crime pond.

Sicilian-born in 1949 into a family of seven, he was in trouble with the law by the age of 12 and while he did some day work, by night he was doing what made him the most money — and where he eventually lost most of it.

While frequenting Northbridge’s illegal gambling dens at Il Trovatore and Ginger’s, Musarri became one of the pioneers of Perth’s blossoming heroin trade, using couriers to smuggle packages from Asia’s Golden Triangle that he turned into gold.

It was gold spent on the finer things in life.

His former wife Linda Hill once described a portfolio of lavish properties, flash cars, thousands of dollars in cash under the mattress and Sydney shopping sprees.

Rubbish bags full of cannabis were hidden inside the family piano.

But most of the ill-gotten gains went on feeding Musarri’s crippling gambling addiction.

In 1983, at the height of Musarri’s peddling powers, Perth’s Brian Geoffrey Shergold Chambers and fellow Australian Kevin John Barlow were recruited to bring a batch of heroin to WA that had been stolen and buried under a tree on Ferringhi beach in Penang.

The pair were arrested at Penang International Airport and hanged for their crimes in 1986 — the first Westerners to be executed in Malaysia since World War II.

In 1988, middle-man John Asciak was convicted of conspiring with Barlow and Chambers to import the drug.

It was revealed the heroin they were carrying belonged to Musarri. He was never tried over the illfated deal.

But he has still spent 27 of the past 32 years in prison for his unceasing crossborder trade in high purity drugs — a true crime story that was given another chapter yesterday. Possibly, the last one.
       During a sentencing hearing in 2002 for selling amphetamine to former Gypsy Jokers boss Len Kirby, Musarri vowed from the dock that he would continue selling drugs on his release.
          Back on the streets in 2013, he was true to his word.

Just before Christmas, Musarri and his then partner were awaiting the delivery of 361g of heroin at their Warnbro home by a regular female dealer.

However, police had been watching Musarri as part of bigger operation aimed at dismantling interstate drug syndicates.

They intercepted the delivery and the $131,800 in cash intended to pay for it.

Musarri, his partner and dealer were charged.

The two women were jailed for 23 months after cooperating with police.

But after being bailed, Musarri went back to doing what he knew.

Spending most of his time — and money — at the Burswood casino, his new friend “Vinnie” always knew where to find him.

What the ailing 67-yearold did not know was that Vinnie was an undercover police officer and was watching Musarri’s every move.

On October 7, 2014, Musarri gave Vinnie “a

Any days he spends in prison ... will reflect a large proportion of those he has left. Lawyer Gary Massey

taster” of the ice he was selling, which was later tested at 75 per cent purity.

The next day, Musarri completed a deal for 168g in return for $45,000 in cash.

A week later, another taster was followed by a bigger deal for 224g of the drug from his Vietnamese suppliers Van Dieu Phan, 56, and Vinh Pham, 29.

Vinnie turned up at the Bayswater house with $80,000 in cash.

He was surprised when Musarri’s daughter Tammi handed over the drugs — and even more surprised when she then “began staring quizzically, so affected by drugs she did not know what was going on”, the court was told.

Yesterday, the mother-offive wept constantly as her chaotic childhood and “horrific relationship” with her father were told to the court.

It was revealed that Tammi had been battling a heroin addiction since being introduced to the drug by her father’s girlfriend when she lived with him briefly in 1999.

Musarri is now himself a user of the drug, taking it to medicate himself for the pain from cancer.

He also has heart issues, after a heart attack while in jail in 2012, and diabetes.

Through his lawyer Gary Massey, Musarri also conceded that he was going back to prison.

“Any days he spends in prison at this time of his life will reflect a large proportion of those he has left,” Mr Massey said.

Musarri, Tammi, Phan and Pham will be sentenced later this year.

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By BARBARA CROSSETTE, Special to the New York Times
Published: July 7, 1986

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia, Monday, July 7— Two Australians convicted by Malaysia of trafficking in heroin were hanged this morning.
  

The executions, at 6:50 A.M. Malaysian time (5:50 P.M., New York time) were the first death sentences carried out on non-Asians under Malaysia's stringent narcotics code, which since 1983 has made the trafficking of more than 15 grams of heroin a mandatory capital offense.

The two men were found to have nearly 180 grams when they tried to leave the country through the international airport on Penang Island in November 1983.

Malaysia has hanged 38 people, most of them Southeast Asians and some citizens of Hong Kong, since narcotics laws were strengthened in 1975.

The death sentences given in 1985 to Kevin Barlow, a 28-year-old welder from Perth, and Brian Chambers, 29, a building contractor from Sydney, led to protests in Australia. After final appeals for clemency were rejected in Malaysia last week, there were pleas for mercy on humanitarian grounds from both the Australian Prime Minister, Bob Hawke, and the British Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher. Mr. Barlow was born in England.

Britain and Australia have abolished the death penalty.

The foreign reaction to the case of Mr. Barlow and Mr. Chambers has provoked widespread criticism in Malaysia and elsewhere in Southeast Asia, where Government officials said they would not be deflected from their ''war on dadah'' by Western or international protests when Western lives were involved. Dadah is the Malay word for any mind-altering drug.

Countries in the region, particularly Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore, have introduced stringent narcotics legislation partly in response to growing addiction problems at home and partly as a result of pressure from the United States to curb the flow of heroin and opium from the Southeast Asian Golden Triangle area. When Westerners are caught by the laws, officials in the region say, they cannot expect a double standard to apply.

On a visit to Malaysia in May, Nancy Reagan was told about Malaysia's efforts to curb drug trafficking and treat addiction.

Malaysia's former Deputy Prime Minister and Home Affairs Minister, Musa Hitam, who was in office when the mandatory death sentence became law, told foreign reporters last year that the Kuala Lumpur Government gave ample warning to foreigners entering and leaving Malaysia that the possession of narcotics could be a capital offense.

Passengers arriving at Malaysian airports are warned of the law on landing cards they complete for immigration purposes. Announcements are made on planes arriving in the country, and there are prominent posters saying ''Death to Traffickers'' in airport halls.

''We are tough and unapologetic about what we are doing,'' Mr. Musa said.

The program has strong support in the country, even among human-rights advocates normally opposed to capital punishment. Among them is Dominic Puthucheary, a leading Malaysian civil rights lawyer. In a telephone interview on Friday, Mr. Puthucheary said that ''a majority of Malaysian lawyers are for the death penalty, especially on drugs.''

He said that although he was opposed to capital punishment for other offenses, he agreed that there should be uncompromising penalties ''for people who would mutilate young minds.''

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Two Australian heroin traffickers, Brian Chambers and Kevin Barlow, were hanged shortly before dawn today after a flurry of last-minute appeals to the Malaysian authorities for mercy or a stay of execution failed, prison officials said. The officials spoke to reporters through a peep-hole in the massive steel gates of Pudu gaol, Kuala Lumpur. Later an unmarked prison truck left the prison for the mortuary, witnesses in a crowd of some 200 reporters and onlookers said.

The two were the first Westerners to hang under Malaysia 's tough anti-drugs laws, which prescribe death for anyone convicted of having over 15 grammes of heroin.

Asked how he felt, Barlow's lawyer, Mr Karpal Singh, said: 'Pathetic, that it should have come to this stage. '

Chambers' mother said in a written statement: 'No one has the right to take someone else's life. It's inhumane. There is no more to be said, but he will be free forever. '

Chambers and Barlow, who was born in Stoke and who also held British nationality, were arrested on the resort island of Penang in November, 1983, with 180 grammes of heroin and given mandatory death sentences last July. An appeal failed last December.

The governor of Penang, the last source of mercy, rejected repeated Clemency pleas. He has never pardoned drugs peddlers.

Chambers and Barlow were hanged despite appeals for clemency from the Australian and British Prime Ministers and from the human rights group Amnesty International.

Mr Karpal, who helped Barlow to draw up his will on death row, said he had told him how he had failed to see the Malaysian Prime Minister, Datuk Seri Mahathir Mohamad, to plead for a stay of execution.

He said Barlow told him that Datuk Mahathir 'will have to take a lot of flak in the international world.' His last words to Mr Karpal were: 'You have tried your best. That's the end. '

Pleas for a stay of execution are still pending in Penang High Court. One case was adjourned in uproar last week until July 14 after the Attorney-General, Tan Sri Abu Talib Othman, had told the court that the men's death warrant had been processed despite an earlier pledge that it would be withheld pending litigation.

Amnesty International had called Penang to say that Malaysia was breaking United Nations resolutions banning executions while a mercy plea was pending.

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The Barlow and Chambers executions 

The Barlow and Chambers executions were the hangings in 1986 by Malaysia of two Westerners, Kevin John Barlow (Australian and British) and Brian Geoffrey Shergold Chambers (Australian) of Perth, Western Australia, for the drug trafficking of 141.9 g of heroin.

The two men became the first Westerners to be executed under Malaysia's new tougher laws for drug offences that prescribe death for anyone convicted of having over 15 grams of heroin. Barlow was born in the UK in Stoke-on-Trent and held dual British and Australian nationalities.[1] Barlow's family made appeals to UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher to make a protest about the impending execution, and Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs Bill Hayden made an appeal for clemency to the Malaysian government.[2] The executions caused public outcry and strained political relations between Australia and Malaysia at the time.

Background

Between early 1981 and the end of 1983 Chambers had made at least twelve trips abroad to transport heroin to Australia.[3] In 1980 Chambers imported heroin to Australia using body packing techniques, placing the drugs in his anus. The rest of the load was swallowed. He used the same technique in 1981 when, on transit in Singapore, customs officers detected two vials of personal-use heroin in his jacket pocket. He was released after bribing officers.

Chambers and his then girlfriend, Susan Cheryl Jacobsen, decided to move to Melbourne to escape Perth's organised crime scene. Driving intoxicated near Penong, South Australia, Chambers crashed the vehicle. He was not seriously injured; Jacobsen, however, received severe injuries and spent several days in a coma before dying of her injuries on 20 May 1983

Planning

The drug run was organised by Perth criminal John Asciak. Chambers was enlisted for the job due to his experience in the task. Asciak spent much time at the residence of his girlfriend Debbie Colyer-Long and got to know her boarder, Kevin Barlow. Asciak soon learned Barlow had little money and few prospects for regular work. At the time Barlow was on compensation after injuring himself at work. He was depressed, consuming a lot of alcohol and marijuana after losing his girlfriend. He had also been threatened with the repossession of his car.

Though Barlow and Chambers later testified they were tourists travelling alone who met by chance in Singapore and then opted to travel together, their meeting in Singapore in October 1983 was planned by Asciak. Chambers had previously had a meeting with Barlow in Perth to approve him for the job. To help conceal their activities, Barlow had flown to Singapore directly from Perth, while Chambers had flown there via Sydney. After the Singapore meeting they disobeyed orders by travelling together and sharing the same hotel rooms; they had been directed to stay apart.

Barlow was a novice on his first drug run; he was convinced by organisers that as Chambers was an experienced drug courier the plan would proceed smoothly. Barlow was initially confident the drug run would be successful.

The proposed drug run had been openly discussed by John Asciak and Kevin Barlow in the household of Debbie Colyer-Long prior to the event. Colyer-Long's brother-in-law Trevor Lawson learned of it and had informed the National Crime Authority of the scheme.

Drug Trafficking

Having met in Singapore, Barlow and Chambers travelled by train to Penang in Malaysia. The package of drugs had been buried on a beach in Penang. Chambers was given directions to the site and dug up the package. Barlow was present but had not known the location of the heroin.

Initial plans were that Barlow and Chambers conceal the drugs by inserting some packages into their anuses and swallowing the rest. Barlow refused to do either, the former for reasons of distaste, the latter due to health concerns with that method. Chambers relented and placed the several packages of drugs, which were within plastic carry bags and wrapped in newspaper, into a newly purchased maroon suitcase. Barlow had become very nervous after the collection of the drugs

Arrest

Barlow and Chambers were observed alighting from the same taxi at Bayan Lepas International Airport on 9 November 1983. Barlow carried the maroon suitcase and entered the airport. He bypassed the luggage scanning area and approached the check-in desk. Chambers, carrying Barlow's bags, paid the taxi, entered the airport and passed through the luggage scanning area, and joined Barlow at the check-in desk. They were detained by police, as Barlow was seen to be very nervous.

Taken to an interview room they were asked to open the suitcases. Chambers opened the bags he was carrying. Barlow said he was unable to open the case he had carried and that it was Chambers' case. Chambers unlocked the case's combination locks and the drugs were found; however, he claimed he had not known the contents of the smaller carry bags the drugs were in.

When police handcuffed them, they were reportedly "shivering terribly".

Imprisonment and on remand

They were imprisoned in Penang Prison for all of 1984 and most of 1985. The prison was overcrowded. Built in 1849 to house up to 350 prisoners, in 1984 it housed 2000 people including women and babies. Barlow and Chambers were locked in a two by three-metre square cell together with up to three other prisoners for 22 hours a day, with an exercise period being allowed only if all cellmates had behaved that day. Chambers was well liked in prison; however, Barlow had trouble adjusting, and was described as being a "lunatic" and "cracking up".

Barlow attempted to excuse his actions by claiming that he had been forced to take the trip and his girlfriend threatened to leave him if he refused

Original Trial

Their trial started 17 July 1985 at the High Court of Penang. The trial opened with both men claiming the drugs found in the maroon suitcase belonged to the other. Chambers was represented at the trial by Rasiah Rajasingham and Barlow by Karpal Singh.[16]

Chambers remained handcuffed through the trial. Barlow was not cuffed but used crutches due to a groin injury. The arresting officer testified that he saw Barlow holding the maroon suitcase and shivering while waiting to board the plane. The court heard that Chambers had acknowledged ownership of the suitcase two days after the arrest. Chambers testified in court that he didn't know about the drugs in the case, and that Barlow had also used the case. Chambers also testified that Barlow had attempted to bribe a policeman at the airport when the drugs were discovered.

On 23 July the judge rejected Singh's attempt to have Rajasingham disqualified on grounds that he had received confidential information from Barlow in the nine months before the trial when he acted for both of the accused. The trial concluded 24 July and both men were found guilty. The trial judge deferred pronouncing sentence for a week to enable lawyers of the two men to prepare submissions to him which might be used in an appeal to the supreme Court of Malaysia, and to hear submissions on behalf of Barlow that he should be allowed to return to Australia immediately for an operation on his leg. The prosecutors surmised that as they had arrived, stayed, and were leaving together, they had a common purpose of trafficking drugs.

On 1 August 1985 Barlow and Chambers attended their sentencing hearing to learn they had received the death sentence by hanging.

Police and legal sources confirmed that Chambers at least was the victim of an informer. Prior to his arrest three or four Penang drug dealers had been detained and interrogated about Chambers' movements. The informers' evidence was kept secret at the trial. The drug habits of Barlow and Chambers were likewise not mentioned at the trial as it would have prejudiced their cases, and exposed the heroin trade inside Malaysian prisons.

Appeal


On 15 December 1985 they were transferred to Kuala Lumpur for their appeal to the Malaysian Supreme Court. There they were imprisoned in Pudu Prison. Barlow continued to profess his innocence. Pudu Prison had been built in 1895 to hold about 700. By 1986 it held around 6,000 prisoners, almost 50 of whom were drug dealers sentenced to death.


The appeal started 16 December 1985. Chambers was represented at the appeal by Perth barrister Ron Cannon.[16] Barlow's lawyer Karpal Singh was assisted by Melbourne barrister Frank Galbally at the appeal. Galbally was accompanied by Allen Bartholomew who was the Victorian Chief Prison Psychiatrist. On 16 December a row broke out between Singh and Galbally in the court room and was witnessed by press and court staff. The argument occurred after the judges had adjourned for the day and left the court, and lasted about five minutes. Galbally had urged Singh to file an additional ground for appeal for their client. Singh had said there was "little point" doing this, as no fresh evidence was involved. Galbally believed Barlow's shivering could be attributed to a spinal injury; however, Singh reasoned that this was already adequately covered by medical evidence at the trial and in the existing appeal. At the appeal Singh had argued that Barlow's shivering could be attributed to his existing medical condition, or a foreigner's "unease" at being confronted by police. After the argument Singh finally left the room, warning Galbally over his shoulder not to criticise Malaysia's British-based legal system or suggest Australia's was superior. Singh attempted to have Galbally charged with contempt. The day after the row Galbally was asked for, and gave, an apology to the court for his words in court.

The appeal court on 18 December 1985 upheld the trial judge's decision to invoke the death penalty because the amount of the drug carried was in excess of the 15 gram cut-off point used to distinguish users from traffickers.[2] On death row, Chambers had taken up biblical studies with a Western Catholic Missionary. He broke down and wept in her arms in the dock when three appeals judges upheld the conviction.

Galbally was not in court for the final decision of the appeal; Australian officials reported he had left Malaysia the night of 17 December after apologising to the Supreme Court over the row over contempt. After the result was publicised Galbally suggested that Barlow would have been found not guilty had the medical evidence he wanted introduced been admitted by the court. The evidence he wanted heard at the appeal was that Barlow had a nervous shake; the prosecution had used Barlow's shake at the time of his arrest as grounds for his guilt.

After the rejection of their appeal, Australia's Foreign Minister Bill Hayden contacted the Governor of Penang asking that the sentence be commuted to imprisonment on humanitarian grounds. Hayden stated that "I have always been and remain firmly opposed to capital punishment, and accordingly I will be pressing the presentation of this appeal for clemency with a great sense of urgency."


Through the ordeal of Barlow and Chambers, their mothers, Sue Chambers and Barbara Barlow, publicly supported the defence of innocence. However, in a joint letter to the King of Malaysia Sultan Iskandar pleading for their lives, they acknowledged their sons' guilt, saying they "regretted their wrongdoing."

Execution

Barlow and Chambers were hanged in Pudu Prison on 7 July 1986. The executioner was Rajendran Kuppasamy who would retire later that year. Kevin Barlow's mother Barbara Barlow reportedly prepared a suicide potion for her son to enable him to evade death by hanging. She prepared the mixture of 75 sleeping tablets dissolved in gin, whisky and brandy in her hotel room and smuggled it into the prison in a small plastic bottle concealed in her handbag. However, fearing her son would use it before all avenues of appeal had been exhausted she made the last-minute decision to keep the secret solution to herself

Political Statements

Malaysia had introduced the death penalty for drug trafficking in 1983 as a reaction to a burgeoning drug trade in the region. By mid 1986 Malaysia had hanged about 35 people in ten years, mostly Chinese Malaysians convicted of drug trafficking. Lawyers and government officials reportedly agreed that the country risked a political and ethnic outcry if it made exceptions based on the ethnicity of its defendants. As Australian public support for Barlow and Chambers was minimal, Malaysia risked little diplomatic damage from carrying-out the execution. 

Australian Prime Minister Bob Hawke made a passionate plea for a stay of execution on behalf of the two men.

Hawke later described the hanging as "barbaric", a remark which chilled Australian relations with Malaysia. Relations between the two nations were reportedly affected for a decade afterwards.  In response to the argument that no one has the right to take another's life, then-Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad replied, "You should tell that to the drug traffickers." 

At a press conference that occurred after the hangings Mahathir criticised the use of the word "barbaric" and said it should not have been used to refer to Malaysia because "we have never had any lynchings and things like that which only barbarians like to do." He also said that hanging as a method of executing criminals originated in the West. 

The then UMNO Youth Leader Anwar Ibrahim also said use of the term "barbaric" was regrettable. He said "It is a generative word that passes judgement on our society—something we cannot accept and did not expect from such a friendly country." He argued that the consequences of drug trafficking were well known in Malaysia, and the need for strong deterrents to eliminate the activity was accepted internationally. The conference of State Legislative Assembly speakers in Shah Alam also rejected Hawke's comment. They said it gave the impression Australia belittled Malaysian law and "considers the capital punishment meted out to the two as uncivilised and unsuitable for this day and age." The speakers at the conference unanimously passed an emergency resolution expressing their "grave view" of the statement. The conference felt that such comments should not have come from a national leader who upheld the law and that the statement had touched on the sovereignty of Malaysia's laws and the legal system

Aftermath

After their sentencing an investigative trip by Detective Sergeant Carl Mengler of the National Crime Authority of Australia had included interviews with various Australians imprisoned in South East Asia for drug trafficking. Chambers had refused to meet him but Barlow gave information about the planning of the trip; however, he knew only sketchy details of the organisers. This meeting took place in January 1986. The information Barlow gave to Mengler during this interview was later corroborated by Debbie Colyer-Long.

Australian Federal Police denied that they had tipped off Malaysian Police about the claims made by Trevor Lawson. 

In June 1988 in Perth, Western Australia, John Asciak was found guilty of conspiring with Barlow and Chambers to import 179 grams of heroin. He had been implicated by Barlow when he was interviewed in prison by the National Crime Authority of Australia in 1986. The court heard Asciak recruited Barlow, who he knew had financial problems, and offered him $6,000 to conduct the drug run. Barlow was later introduced to Chambers in Perth. Asciak, who denied the charges, was found guilty and sentenced to ten years prison

Dramatisations

A four-hour television mini-series was released in 1988 entitled Barlow and Chambers: A Long Way From Home (Dadah is Death).

A 2004 Canadian movie, Manners Of Dying, follows the short story of that name by Yann Martel (Man Booker Prize winner) published in 1993, directed by Jeremy Peter Allen, refers to the executions through the name of its main character, Kevin Barlow.

A 1998 movie Return to Paradise starring Vince Vaughn was loosely based on this case.

Also see

Williams, David (1989). This little piggy stayed home: Barlow, Chambers and the Mafia. Perth, Western Australia: Panorama Books. ISBN 0-949864-21-8.

West Australian newspaper: -Transferred to death row, Penang jail (August 1985) and await news of their appeal for clemency (Nov. 1985 - June 1986. 6 Nov. 1985, p. 33; 15 Nov. 1985, p. 33; 18 Nov. 1985, p. 43; 25 Nov. 1985, p. 14; 14 Jan. 1986, p. 11; 11 Feb. 1986, p. 24; 5 June 1986, p. 20; 19 June 1986, p. 1.

West Australian newspaper: The sentences of capital punishment (21 December 1985). Editorial on the death penalty and heroin trading (Dec. 1985), summaries of events (June 1986), their hanging in Kuala Lumpur (7 July 1986) and their involvement in organised drug smuggling (July 1986).

West Australian newspaper: 23 June 1986, pp. 1–9 - summary of case. (They are hanged 7 July 1986). 21 Dec. 1985, p. 8; 23 June 1986, p. 1-9; 8 July 1986, p. 1-2; 9 July 1986, p. 10; 7 May 1987, p. 1

A 1998 movie Return to Paradise starring Vince Vaughn was loosely based on this case.

Dancing with death - Politics, power and the death penalty vie with hypocrisy

John Silveste

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/dancing-with-death--politics-power-and-the-death-penalty-vie-with-hypocrisy-20150219-13iziy.html


The veteran hangman was surprisingly chipper after the deed was done telling the prison governor that in his expert opinion everything "went all right".

He arrived in Victoria fresh from hanging two men in Port Moresby and, although he didn't know it, this would be his last job in Australia.

Kevin Barlow (left) and Brian Chambers were hanged on July 7, 1986.

  

It was February 3, 1967, and he had just executed Ronald Ryan in Pentridge Prison.

One prison officer recognised him as the man who hanged Jean Lee, Robert Clayton and Norman Andrews at the same prison 16 years earlier.


Melbourne prison escapees, Ronald Ryan and Peter Walker, are taken to police headquarters in Sydney after their recapture, January 5,1966.  

After Ryan's neck was snapped the hangman, wearing a sports jacket and a cloth cap, hitched a ride in the back of the prison brawler van to avoid protesters and was dropped at Bell Street to wait for a tram.

Earlier that morning 14 reporters stood in front of the gallows as independent observers. One, Tom Prior of the Sun News Pictorial, originally saw the assignment as a great adventure.

But in retirement the death would not leave him. Decades later in retirement, sitting on his deck looking at the ocean from his Marengo house, he told me that after a few drinks or when he was particularly tired he would close his eyes and see Ryan disappear under the tarpaulin erected in front of the trapdoor.

  Escapees Caught in Sydney _ Sydney Morning  Hearald
 
  Appeal Fails: Ryan To Hang - The Melbourne Age Newspaper 

It took 19 days to find Ryan after he shot and killed prison officer George Hodson during a jail break, 51 weeks to exhaust all appeals and just 30 seconds for the hangman to carry out the sentence.

While thousands protested outside, life inside went on regardless. According to one officer D Division prisoners were given an extra tobacco ration and one inmate remarked, "That's his problem, I've got my own."

There is nothing glamorous about the State taking a life. Lee fainted and was placed slumped in a chair on the gallows while Ryan's last words to the hangman were "God bless you. Make it quick."

Legendary journalist Evan Whitton's critique of the hangman's work in The Truth so enraged the executioner he wrote to the newspaper to complain.

"I have carried out executions throughout Australia and beyond Australia for the past 38 years, and I have never been told that my work has been jerky."

Conventional wisdom is Ryan was killed as much for political reasons as criminal ones. Then premier Sir Henry Bolte was convinced an old fashioned hanging would prove popular come election day. The cunning farmer knew his onions and eventually retired undefeated.

Tough on crime remains a vote winner. Prison numbers in Victoria have increased in 14 years from 2000 to more than 6000 without having a discernible effect on crime rates.



Now two more Australians, convicted drug traffickers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran face execution with Indonesian authorities vowing to carry out the sentences.

Again it is as much about local politics with Indonesian President Joko Widodo saying he will not grant clemency for drug traffickers.

Chan and Sukumaran were arrested with seven other Australians in April 2005 trying to smuggle more than eight kilos of heroin from Bali.

Only now, when all appears lost, has their plight begun to dominate headlines.

Compare this with Schapelle Corby, who was convicted in Bali one month after the Bali nine arrests.

Corby's case fascinated many in Australia. Was she guilty of importing more than four kilos of marijuana into Bali? Would she serve her full 20-year sentence? Was she slowly going mad inside an Asian jail? Who cut her hair?

There were interviews, magazine covers and television specials. But she is young, pretty and white.

Which proves if you want the media to champion your case don't be fat, ethnic or ugly.


No one denies the Bali nine's guilt although there remains controversy over Australian Federal Police's role in the arrests.

The AFP contacted the Indonesian National Police to tip them off over the drug deal. Critics say the Feds should have made the arrests on home soil.

It is claimed the Feds learned of the Bali Nine via one of the fathers who wanted his son stopped from joining the trip. This is not true as the international investigation was already well advanced.

Federal Police defend its actions and, according to Deputy Commissioner Graham Ashton,
 "The AFP doesn't have blood on its hands."


So why did they do it?
 Their version goes something like this. We need to work to maintain strong relationships with partner law enforcement agencies. Heroin is imported and we need links in source countries if we are to make an impact.

If the Indonesians were kept in the dark they would not share intelligence on drugs and terrorism. Remember the first Bali Bombing occurred three years earlier and the second was just months away.

And 10 years ago the Indonesians rarely executed anyone over drugs. No one expected it to come to this.

In a Yes Minister rule the AFP shared intelligence with countries with the death penalty before an arrest but would refuse to provide additional evidence after an Australian was detained on a capital offence.

Yet in the successful Operation Rattlesnake, a joint Victoria Police, Customs and AFP operation into a massive heroin syndicate, Vietnamese authorities agreed to hand over intelligence without being given the names of up to 100 Vietnamese Australian couriers used on mule runs. They caught some but not from Australian tip-offs.

Rather than concentrate on the minnows police went after the syndicate sharks, with the last convicted in Melbourne late last year.

The Bali nine case is not the first time the role of Australian law enforcement in death sentences was questioned.

More than 30 years ago two Australians, Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers, were arrested at Penang Airport with 142 grams of pure heroin.
Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers were sentenced to death and executed on July 7, 1986.

Barlow was a mule and a stupid one, persuaded to make the trip by John Asciak - a key figure in a Perth-based organised crime syndicate.

Chambers was a functioning addict used as a professional smuggler who had made 11 trips to Malaysia from December 1980 until caught in November 1983.

How they were caught has never been fully explained. What is known is Barlow's landlady confided her concerns of the drug trip to her brother-in-law, who told a Perth detective who told Federal authorities.

So were the Malaysian police tipped off in the same way as the Indonesians over the Bali nine? The AFP say no but Penang police were waiting when Barlow and Chambers walked into the airport with their heroin-filled maroon suitcase.

But police missed the syndicate's supervisor assigned to fly back on the same plane as the couriers.

Within days Barlow confessed to an AFP officer and identified senior members of the drug ring but, inexplicably, this red hot statement gathered dust for two years.

Police had the name of the landlady, the phone number of Chambers' Australian connection and Barlow's statement. Eventually the National Crime Authority took over the case and made three key arrests, including the supervisor.

No one knows if the arrests were made earlier whether Malaysian authorities would have allowed Barlow and Chambers to return to Australia to testify. At least it would have been a bargaining chip.

One investigator said, "They were lambs to the slaughter. Chambers was a highly intelligent drug addict and Barlow was a naive kid from down the street."

He said that days before the execution, "Chambers was high on heroin. The jail was rife with it, probably trafficked by the guards. That was the level of hypocrisy."

"Barlow was shattered."

Yet to many South East Asian senior law enforcement officers Australians are the real hypocrites.

Many of our pleas have a smug, superior sound to cultures once colonised by foreign powers that treated locals as cheap labour and second class citizens.

And so Prime Minister Tony Abbott's suggestion gratitude for tsunami aid should be a factor in the case and former Foreign Minister Bob Carr's declaration that capital punishment was legalised murder were comments bordering on the idiotic.

The year before Barlow and Chambers were hanged a Malaysian assistant commissioner told me westerners loved to urge local police to get tough on drugs.

"They don't mind it when we hang Malaysians or Chinese. But when we catch a European, that's a different matter.

"Then countries like yours sometimes go through the back door trying to save their skins. What's good for one should be good for all.

"Sometimes I think they deserve all the heroin they get because they are too soft."

Much has been said on behalf of Chan and Sukumaran. But they were the ones who years ago should have talked and named everyone they knew in the drug syndicate because in the law enforcement business a live witness beats a dead crook hands down.

A promise to testify may have placated politicians who had heavily invested in tough on drugs policies.

Perhaps then we could we have given Indonesian authorities reasons rather than rhetoric for a change of heart.

Hangings of Kevin Barlow and Brian Geoffrey Chambers in Malaysia destroyed families’ lives - Bruce Dover, Herald Sun - February 20, 2015 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/true-crime-scene/hangings-of-kevin-barlow-and-brian-geoffrey-chambers-in-malaysia-destroyed-families-lives/news-story/cbcd26256052e0d64370bd7ab1f40996

THE tragedy of the 1986 hanging of Kevin John Barlow and Brian Geoffrey Chambers behind the imposing concrete walls of Malaysia’s Pudu Prison, was for me, not the death of the two men I had come to know, but in the victims it left behind.

I remember my first meeting with the two men inside the Penang Prison, a relic of the British Colonial justice system, built in the 1850s to house 350 prisoners but by November 1983, when Barlow and Chambers were arrested, stuffed to overflowing with some 2000 inmates.

Despite the crowded conditions, they were in good spirits.
They shared a cell. The prison was old but kept meticulously clean by a tough but fair-minded prison warden of the old school.
They were allowed the luxury of Western food and time to exercise and sit outside in the sunlight.

They had made a pact, they said, “not to get their families involved”.

After all, it was only a “matter of time before things would be sorted, bribes paid and they we will be back in Oz again”.

They had no sense of their plight — seemingly oblivious to the fact the Malaysian Government, in an attempt to crack down on a blossoming and insidious drug trade taking hold of the country, had recently introduced new laws making the death penalty mandatory for any one in possession of just 15g of a banned narcotic.

Brian Geoffrey Chambers leaves Penang High Court after being sentenced to death in 1986

Barlow and Chambers had been arrested with 179g of low-grade heroin hidden in a suitcase —
detained by an “observant policeman” who noticed Barlow’s nervous demeanour as they tried to check in at the Malaysia Airlines first-class counter for a flight to Kuala Lumpur and a connection to Sydney.

I remember, too, just 18 months later — when their trial began on July 17, 1985 — that Barlow and Chambers would no longer look each other in the eye.
They hardly spoke.

The local lawyer, Rasiah Rajahsingham, who had initially been engaged to represent both men, had quickly determined that given the evidence against them, he could at best save only one.

Now they would be represented by individual counsel — Barlow by charismatic political opposition figure and lawyer Karpal Singh, while Rajahsingham chose to stay with Chambers.

No one could possibly imagine the anguish of a last goodbye to a son or a brother, knowing that in the morning they will be taken out and killed at dawn

They turned on each other. The parents and family members who Barlow and Chambers had early agreed to “keep out of it” now watched on helplessly from the court gallery,
as each man tried to implicate the other in a desperate gambit that at best would send one man to the gallows while the other walked free.

Parents, sisters, brothers and supporters struggled to understand why the guilty party wouldn’t own up and accept the blame so “my boy” could live.

It was a high-risk strategy that in the end meant only that in their efforts to save themselves, each had condemned the other to die.

The presiding judge found that by their own admissions, Barlow and Chambers had arrived, stayed, and were leaving together with
 an amount of illicit narcotics in their joint possession and therefore had a common purpose of trafficking drugs.



Chambers and Barlow during their trial.

I remember too, the steamy, oppressive heat of the packed courtroom in Penang, where on August 1, 1985,
Barlow and Chambers were sentenced to death by hanging; the angry, anguished glare of despair as Chambers turned on the Australian tabloid reporter who had dared demand
a response to a shouted question as the condemned men were led from the courthouse: “How does it feel, Geoff, how does it feel?”

“How do you think it f---ing feels, you idiot!” he responded.

And I remember lying to Chambers’ sister, Kathryn back at the hotel later when through her tears she asked: “They don’t hang white men in Malaysia, do they?”

“No,” I offered in reply, knowing full well they probably would.

What followed was a 12-month period of failed legal appeals, the intervention of Australian lawyers to no avail, passionate appeals for a stay of execution by
both then Australian prime minister Bob Hawke and his foreign minister, Bill Hayden, a petition for clemency delivered to the governor of Penang, and
 finally a joint letter from Barbra Barlow and Sue Chambers to the king of Malaysia, Sultan Iskandar, pleading for their lives.

With each desperate manoeuvre came brief moments of hope, as the Malaysian officials’ ditherings were interpreted as a possible weakening of their resolve to proceed with the hangings;
 only to be followed by heartbreak and angst as each was dismissed or rejected out of hand.

A stark anti drug trafficing warning on the wall of a Malaysian jail.

How The Herald newspaper reported the hangings on July 7, 1986.

The families left no stone unturned enlisting the support of British prime minister Margaret Thatcher, and even the Pope, in a bid for mercy in order to save their loved ones.

But Malaysia’s strongman prime minister, Mahathir Mohamad, with a domestic political constituency to play to, was unmoved and determined to make an example of the “criminal Westerners”.

He dismissed the argument that no one had the right to take another’s life with the curt response, “you should tell that to the drug traffickers”.

And I remember the gut-wrenching moment of watching Barbara Barlow and her children, Michelle and Christopher; Sue and Brian Chambers and daughters Margaret and Kathryn, returning from their last visit to the condemned men — heartbroken and distraught.

Kevin Barlow’s devastated family.

No one could possibly imagine the anguish of a last goodbye to a son or a brother, knowing that in the morning they will be taken out and killed at dawn.

This was not saying goodbye to a loved one who was dying of some illness; this was an attempt at parting words of love and comfort to those who would the subject of state-sanctioned murder. This was innocent bystanders being condemned to a trauma so uniquely painful and poignant to be unimaginable.

And I recall coming to the realisation at that moment, that the death penalty is not confined just to the prisoners whose lives it takes in the name of justice, but that it also condemns family and loved ones to a rollercoaster of hope and despair so wrenching and exhausting, that ultimately it extinguishes something deep inside them forever. All this in the name of justice.

The parallels between the cases of Barlow and Chambers and that of the Bali Nine ring leaders, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, are many.

Barlow and Chambers were not evil men. Stupid, naive — greedy, even, — but like Chan and Sukumaran, capable and perhaps deserving of redemption and a second chance.

I remember standing outside of Purdu Prison in the early hours of July 7, 1986, when at 6.50am a prison goods truck rolled through the big steel gates.


Photographers are shown the body of Kevin Barlow after his execution in Malaysia.

Inside were he bodies of Barlow and Chambers — their tagged and exposed feet providing proof to the waiting mean and women of the press that Malaysian justice had indeed been done.

Barbara Barlow would later say she felt her son’s moment of death: “At 6.08 my heart skipped a beat. I knew it was over.”

Sue Chambers released a handwritten statement: “I believe in God. No one has the right to take someone else’s life. It is inhuman. There is no more to be said. But he will be free forever.”

Chan and Sukumaran, like Barlow and Chambers, may well be freed forever by their state-sanctioned killings.

It is those who are left behind who receive a life sentence.

And it is for them, we should also grieve.

Bruce Dover is a former South-East Asia correspondent for the Herald Sun and covered this case from the arrest of Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers to their hanging.

Kevin Barlow and Brian Chambers - The Underworld of Paul Musarri’s life of Crime

Brian Geoffy Chambers, foreground and Kevin Barlow are led away from a Mayalsian Court



Hansard Tuesday the 14th September, 1999 - Page 1116 that mentiond Paul Mussari and the massive grown illegaly drug problems
 in Perth, Western Australia that has the poential to destroy so many young people's lives

http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/hansard/hans35.nsf/(ATT)/0DEECFEC6EC787BB482567F300032C86/$file/A0914008.PDF

P.1119

Amendment to Motion Mr GRAHAM: I move - That the following words be added to the motion - But we regret to inform His Excellency that the scourge of hard drugs such as heroin is hitting our community hard. We call upon the Government as a matter of urgency to give this matter top priority. We note that a response must be broad ranging and tackle the causes of drug abuse but further we call on the Government to allocate the police resources necessary to target and apprehend drug dealers.

MR CUNNINGHAM (Girrawheen) [8.01 pm]: I want to share with members of this House the practice of an elitist and selective zero tolerance drug policy that was successfully implemented recently in Cottesloe. The August 21 edition of the Subiaco Post had a front page article entitled "Syringes Dumped Near Drug House". The article told of the arrest of a drug dealer, or, to put it more aptly, a possible merchant of death. I believe that an extremely diligent Neighbourhood Watch assisted in the early arrest of that drug dealer, and I pay my compliments to a leading activist, Lyn Barnett, the wife of the Leader of the House, who has done an excellent job in putting together her troops to expose these people. This man was arrested after police observed him selling drugs to a user. I highlight the fact that the police observed him. It is very important to know that the police observed him. The police placed the dealer under surveillance for a week. The users were also arrested. What a success it must have been to have the police place a known drug dealer's premises under surveillance that led to a successful arrest! The state of the punters in Cottesloe must be one of great excitement and jubilation! Why was it that a week-long surveillance operation that used vast amounts of local police resources was mounted in Cottesloe, so much so that Claremont Police Station was actually closed for a day on Friday, 13 August, due to police resources being allocated to this surveillance operation? In the suburbs of Marangaroo, Alexander Heights, Girrawheen, Ballajura, Koondoola, Balga, Mirrabooka and surrounding areas, until a couple of weeks ago drug dealers were allowed to operate virtually unhindered and to flourish. Zero drug dealer tolerance is employed to great effect in suburbs such as Cottesloe. That can be contrasted with my electorate of Girrawheen, and surrounding areas, in which there is a strong belief that local law enforcement policy has been drug dealer tolerance. The heroin drug problem in our suburbs has now reached epidemic proportions. Every third street now has at the very least a person who is dealing in drugs. The effect on the community, and in particular its young people, is devastating. The public does not realise how many of our decent young people are dying. The community is desperate for zero drug tolerance. The community does not want it in a year, a month or a week. It wants it now. I want to share with members an incident that occurred in my electorate office some weeks ago, when my long serving electorate officer and I were subjected to the most disgusting, filthy and threatening language that I have ever heard from any person since I have been active in politics; and I have been active in politics since I was 17, so it is nearly 45 years. On Wednesday, 25 August, in my electorate office, the vile and filth that came out of the mouth of a woman who was most likely in her late fifties or early sixties was, to put it simply, frightening. Why was it frightening? It was frightening because this woman had knowledge of a telephone call that had transpired between me and a constituent who had recently been released from jail and was residing at an Outcare flat in Glendalough. The 30-minute telephone call took place some three days before this woman's invasion - because that is what it was - of my office. My constituent gave me valuable information that, when checked out, was supported by numerous people, including neighbours, law enforcement agencies and former drug users. Most of the information I already knew. The invasion of my office confirmed what I had been told by my constituent. I realise that the policy of Outcare is to monitor incoming telephone calls to ex-prisoners under its supervision. Surely it cannot be its policy to listen in on telephone calls and to pass on that information to people who are active in the peddling and supply of drugs and to people with a police record that goes back many years. This woman who invaded my office is well known in our local area as the "Queen of the dealers". This woman and five other people, whose names I am about to place on record, have been consistently named not only by the neighbours and former drug users, but also by many law enforcement officers over a long time. The person in question who invaded my office and threatened me and my staff is Denise Pearson of 4B Morgan Way, Girrawheen. She is a well-known supplier of hard-core death drugs to that infamous Redcliffe Avenue address, as well as a supplier to Clare Williams of 32 Redcliffe Avenue, Marangaroo, and Robyn Williams of 10A Morgan Way, Girrawheen, all of whom have been brought continuously to my attention and the attention of the police as being local drug dealers. There is also an extremely strong belief that another house of death - I will use those words - like that at Redcliffe Avenue is being supplied by Pearson. That is 36 Muswell Street, Balga, which is occupied by Sandra and Lisa Cleary, a mother and daughter duo who are well known to the police, the courts and people in the drug scene, particularly the heroin drug scene. Sandra Cleary is currently serving a jail sentence after pleading guilty earlier this year to selling heroin. I want to dwell for some time on the house of death at 36 Muswell Street, Balga. This must be one of the busiest drug outlets in the northern suburbs. This house is near the end of a cul-de-sac that abuts Beach Road, Balga. Beach Road is a well used road between Marmion Avenue and Alexander Drive. This evil house of death is known to have had many drug-related deaths since 1996. Some of the heroin users at Muswell Street overdosed at that address, and their bodies were dumped at two different local shopping centres. Ms MacTiernan: Taken from the house by the people in the house and dumped? Mr CUNNINGHAM: Yes, that is right; they were dumped. The Clearys have extremely close links to a convicted heroin trafficker, Paul Musarri, who had links to both Geoffrey Chambers and Kevin Barlow, who were hanged in Malaysia in 1986. Paul Musarri belonged to a drug ring that convinced a so-called businesswoman to smuggle $5m worth of heroin from Penang in the early 1980s. Musarri was given a 15-year jail sentence as a result of heroin trafficking in August 1983. Coincidentally, once again he has come to the notice of law enforcement officers in the State in the past few weeks. Judge Kevin Hammond, when sentencing Sandra Cleary, who was also imprisoned in 1994 and 1995 for drug offences, said that Cleary was an important link in the heroin distribution chain. The Clearys, unlike the other woman I mentioned, are well up the so-called drug food chain. These women continually re-offend and seem to be totally immune from any law enforcement agencies. This house of death has a fortress-like wall, heavy grilles on the doors and windows, and highly sophisticated police scanners. The community find it hard to believe that only a few minor raids have occurred on these premises over the past four years. Business carries on as usual and is unhindered by law enforcement agencies. It is a strongly held belief in the community that there is an underground hideaway for the storage of drugs at 36 Muswell Street. What have law enforcement agencies done to check that? Nothing. Ms MacTiernan: Why is that? Mr CUNNINGHAM: I will continue and it will become apparent. I happened to visit the street while doorknocking on Wednesday, 25 August, two hours after the woman had invaded my office. I observed first-hand that in the space of only 40 minutes, between 12 and 14 cars visited the premises at 36 Muswell Street between 12.45 and 1.25 pm. Ms MacTiernan: Obviously a very popular lady. Mr CUNNINGHAM: I do not believe so. I do not believe for one second that the occupants of the cars were there for a social visit. Mr Day: Have you discussed this with the local police superintendent, for example? Mr CUNNINGHAM: I have gone much higher than that. Mr Day: Are you saying that you are dissatisfied with the response from the police? Mr CUNNINGHAM: No. I am just putting them on notice. Let me finish and the minister will understand what I am coming to. While I have breath in my body, I will continue to speak in this place and do what I am doing tonight. I do not believe that the evil history of this house of death has been put through any scrutiny. Ms MacTiernan: I am surprised that the minister is attempting to defend it. Mr Day: I am not in any way attempting to defend it; I am simply asking a question. Mr CUNNINGHAM: This evil house of death was reported by a highly respected journalist, Luke Morfesse, who wrote a series of articles in The West Australian in early 1997. Today he is the editor of the "Big Weekend" section of The West Australian. He did a brilliant job on that exposé of the drug dealers, especially heroin drug dealers, in 1997. These vile, disgusting low-life are openly showing complete contempt for the police and the local community. In Cottesloe,which is a much different suburb, the police acted and arrested a drug dealer as a result of actions by Neighbourhood Watch. In my electorate the law enforcement agencies definitely move at a snail's pace. At other addresses in my electorate and surrounding areas there is a great deal of activity in the peddling and distribution of drugs, and they have immunity. I will mention three addresses from which the people have been arrested: They are 35 Ellenbrae Place, Marangaroo, where someone was arrested last week; 18 Hythe Road, Marangaroo, where someone was arrested three weeks ago; and 43 Steedman Loop, Mirrabooka where someone was arrested in early August. I will leave the other addresses for the time being, but next time I will include those. Mr Day: Are you saying that the police have followed up on the information given? Mr CUNNINGHAM: At three addresses, after the public meeting. I do not have time to give the other addresses, so they have been saved. In Cottesloe, however, the police act decisively. I am amazed at how the Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party, in the electorate of Cottesloe, can wave his magic wand and clear out these low-life leeches, while the member for Girrawheen, who represents a different class of person, has far fewer resources allocated to his electorate. Mr Day: That is ridiculous. Mr CUNNINGHAM: It is not ridiculous; it is true. People in the electorate of Girrawheen, and the neighbouring electorates of Wanneroo and Ballajura, have been in total despair in the struggle against the spread of hard-core drug agents in their communities. They are getting away with murder, in more ways than one. I advise those members who may doubt that there is an epidemic that my file on drug dealers and their activities has grown on a daily basis in the past couple of months. Information is brought to me by despairing members of the community, and my own investigations have been a blight on the drug enforcement agencies. This is tragic, and it costs the lives of young people in the community. Over the past couple of weeks there has been a small ray of sunshine, as the police have made three arrests following a very successful community meeting organised by the federal member for Cowan, Graham Edwards, and me. That meeting was attended by 320 people. Senior police, for the first time, saw the hurt, despair, anguish and desperation of our community. Much more action is needed from these law enforcement agencies. As promised at the meeting, a candlelight vigil will be held on 10 October. The naming of these heroin drug-dealing scum in the community cannot be carried out by one or two people. All of us have a responsibility to seek out, expose and remove, once and for all, these drug-dealing leeches. It is the responsibility of each and every one of us. All members receive complaints; I receive complaints and at least I do something about them. I do not hear about many members from the government benches doing anything about it. It is extremely frightening because these drug peddlers operate in every third street in every suburb throughout the community. That is not exaggerating the situation. In the simplest form, these people are peddlers of death. We all know these people exist. We all have desperate and despairing constituents who, over many years, have bravely provided us and the police with information and the addresses of these low-lifes. Nothing is done. We in Western Australia are so far behind the eight ball in the fight against drugs. The activities of drug enforcement agencies in their dealings with the infamous Clearys of 36 Muswell Street, Balga, the Williams of 32 Redcliffe Avenue and 10A Morgan Way, and the Pearsons of 4B Morgan Way are a disgraceful indictment of our law enforcement agencies. What we do in the coming days and months will decide the fate of these drug dealers and, in turn, the fate of the community and its young people. Now is the time to act swiftly. This may seem a desperate measure, but in desperate times, one does desperate things. I assure members that these are desperate times.

MR KOBELKE (Nollamara) [8.20 pm]: I will speak briefly to the amendment moved by the member for Pilbara and spoken to so well by the member for Girrawheen.

I commend the member for Girrawheen for having the courage to take up this issue in such a forthright way. The member's electorate has a boundary with mine. Although the problems do not seem as severe in the electorate of Nollamara, I am aware of the problems. In fact, one or two months ago someone complained to me about a property in the area just across the border in the electorate of Girrawheen at which drug dealing was going on. I wrote to the local police explaining that neighbours had suggested that there was a problem in the hope that the police would investigate.

 What happens so often is that the problem just continues.

 In some cases I have written to the police, given the address of the property and pointed out the problem.
 I have received a reply and a few weeks later the neighbours have informed me that the people had moved out and the problems no longer seemed evident in their area.

 On other occasions the problem just seems to continue.
 We have reached the stage at which something must be done.
 It is not easy.
The causes of the problem are complex and the solutions, therefore, will not be simple ones.
However, we can not allow this canker on our community to fester and grow.
 It is getting out of control in so many areas.
For people like the member for Girrawheen and the citizens in his area who have supported him to take a stand is of great importance and we must deal with this problem.
The member for Girrawheen would be the first to admit that he does not have the solution to the problem, but he is not willing to give up. He wants the matter addressed and, in part, he and the concerned citizens in his area will address it and apply direct pressure to the drug dealers who are haunting the streets of our suburbs.
In addition, his actions will put pressure on the Government to ensure that this problem is not swept under the carpet and that it is addressed in a more thorough way.

It is almost commonplace now to find needles lying around shopping centres, parks and even school grounds.

 I am not suggesting that the students are using them, but other people are using needles to shoot up and do hard drugs in our school grounds after hours, and the needles are left there. That raises a whole series of health issues for the children attending those schools. Unfortunately, this is no longer something that just happens on the rare occasion. In some areas it is becoming commonplace. For the Premier to suggest, as he did in this place a week ago,that we should not consider the setting up of shooting-up galleries - I am not saying that they are a solution - is turning a blind eye to the public shooting-up galleries that are in so many suburbs of Perth. People are taking hard drugs in public places and not just on the odd occasion. We watch and listen to continuing news reports of deaths from drug overdoses and the range of crime problems that beset our suburbs, which are clearly attributable to the drug problem; yet the problem is getting worse. I commend the member for Girrawheen for taking on this very difficult issue and for taking such a brave and strong stand. I know that that has meant that many of his constituents have been willing to support the actions that he and the people in his community are taking. Although it is not the solution, it is an important and positive step towards ensuring that action is taken in this area and that we do not continue to walk away from the drug problem. We try to put forward soft options of how we might solve it and in the end we make no progress at all and the problem continues to be a canker on our community, which we must excise. We must ensure that we take the actions required to see a reduction in the drug problems in our society.

MRS PARKER (Ballajura - Minister for Family and Children's Services) [8.24 pm]: I will respond to the issues and to the amendment as presented by the Opposition. Certainly on this issue there is clear agreement that drugs and the abuse of drugs in our community present a difficult problem for all of us - not just for the Government, but for parents and individuals as well. No-one is really immune to the problems of drug abuse. There is good and strong agreement by everyone in this House in that regard, and that is shared by everyone in the community. This amendment to the Address-in-Reply calls upon the Government as a matter of urgency to give the drug abuse problem, particularly heroin, top priority. It notes that a response must be broad ranging and that we must allocate more resources, particularly police resources, to targeting and apprehending drug dealers. I will deal with a couple of issues which are mentioned in this amendment. Firstly, it calls upon the Government to deal with the problem of drug abuse as a top priority. This Government, particularly with the initiative of the Premier's Task Force on Drug Abuse in 1995, for the first time looked at the problems associated with drug abuse, how broad the problems were in the community and what response was needed to deal with this issue, not just by government, but by the whole community of Western Australia. Far before it became a political issue, the Premier established that task force. It reported in 1995 and made a number of recommendations, and early responses were established. In 1997, I was appointed by the Premier to take on responsibility for the drug abuse strategy. For the first time, one minister had the responsibility to coordinate a response across government. It would not be seen as an issue that demanded a singular response by police, but that the drug abuse problem impacted on a range of government agencies as well as on the community, and we needed a broad-ranging response. For a number of years, this Government has treated the response required to the drug abuse problems in our community - we must include alcohol and tobacco as well as the illicit drugs in this response - as a matter of top priority. The next issue mentioned in this amendment is that the response must be broad ranging. One of the hallmarks of the Government's "Together Against Drugs" strategy released in mid-1997 is that, for the first time, it is a coordinated acrossgovernment response. It includes responses and commitments made by the Police Service, the Health Department and a range of other agencies. It establishes for the first time the Western Australian Drug Abuse Strategy Office, which has the responsibility to coordinate a broad-ranging response across, for example, the Police, Justice and Health departments, and other activities including treatment services and non-government agencies.

Mr Riebeling: Has the number of overdoses increased or reduced in the past two years?

Mrs PARKER: The number of deaths due to overdoses peaked in 1997. I cannot provide the latest figures on overdoses. This State experienced a peak in the rate of deaths in 1997, and a reduction in 1998 against the trend in other States. The final figure for this year will not be available until coronial determinations have been concluded. However, against a great increase in the supply and purity of heroin and worldwide and national trends, this Government is very committed to continuing to decrease the number of deaths. It is also committed to decreasing the use of other drugs, such as cannabis, and battling the abuse of alcohol and the rate of tobacco use. This amendment calls for a broad-ranging response. As I said, the Together Against Drugs strategy is the first time we have had a broad-ranging across-government response.

Ms MacTiernan: The response is no good. The package you are all coordinating is no good; it is hopeless.

Mrs PARKER: The member for Armadale exhibits a lack of information or she is in denial.

Ms MacTiernan: Tell us about the performance indicators.

Mrs PARKER: The performance indicators are best dealt with by reference to the latest Australia-wide assessment by 200 professionals working in the alcohol and drug field. They have assessed every jurisdiction, including the Territories, across a whole range of performance indicators. Of all the States and Territories, only the Northern Territory and Western Australia have a positive rating.

Ms MacTiernan: Who did this report?

Mrs PARKER: It was done by 200 professionals. I have tabled the report in Parliament, I have made a ministerial statement and I will ensure the member gets a copy of the report tomorrow. I am sorry that I do not have a copy now.

Ms MacTiernan: Is this like the Minister for the Environment's 500 scientists? Mrs PARKER: Absolutely not! The member will be disappointed. The assessment, undertaken by 200 independent
 professionals in the field, has been done for a number of years. This is the first time that a full year of the Together Against Drugs strategy has been factored into the assessment. Although the Government believes that there is no room for complacency, that there is always room for improvement and is committed to expanding its response, it has been heartening to have an independent analysis of the strategy and an acknowledgment that its focus is clear. This State was recorded as having the highest performance indicators in the country in its drive to prevent drug abuse and in the clarity of its strategy and its goals. However, the real acknowledgment is that it is broad ranging. The critical issue is that the Government has said repeatedly that it will never solve this problem alone. Clearly, this is not something that Governments can solve singlehandedly. The drug abuse problem is complex and it requires a multifaceted approach. This Government has such an approach in place. The strategy must include a response from the community.

Mr Cunningham: I said that ages ago.

Mrs PARKER: We certainly need a community focus. A number of members of Parliament have been directly involved in working with the community in establishing local drug action groups and working with service clubs. I mention in particular the Rotary clubs throughout the State, which have been the backbone of many of these groups Mr Cunningham interjected.

Mrs PARKER: I appreciate the member's level of concern. The member for Swan Hills has been actively involved in establishing a drug action group in her electorate, which has worked very diligently. I recently visited one of the communities in which the local people have got together and taken action. It has a business drug awareness program in place and 30 businesses have signed a code of conduct dealing with a range of drug-related issues. Mr Cunningham: That is motherhood stuff! Mrs PARKER: It is important that the community be involved. People want to get involved. They say that enough is enough, that they do not want this activity in their community and that they want to do something about it. I am very proud to say that our local drug action groups around the State have been responsible for some significant initiatives. The business drug awareness program was an initiative of the Willetton Drug Action Group. It came up with the idea and brought it to the Drug Abuse Strategy Office, and from there it was developed as a statewide initiative. Mums, dads, grandparents, business people and young people are getting involved in community action. People are saying that drug abuse is not the type of activity they want in their community and they are prepared to take action. The Government has a broad-ranging policy, and that has been acknowledged by 200 independent professionals across this country. I will make that information available to the members for Armadale and Girrawheen. The Government has significantly increased the resources allocated for treatment. People now do not have to wait for treatment. A wide range of treatments is available through the Health Department and a range of community organisations. The Minister for Health has talked about the department's Next Step facility, which now includes trialling different treatment methods to offer those with a drug abuse problem a range of treatments. We know that no one treatment suits all needs. This Government has made a strong commitment to policy development, and that has been acknowledged. Resources have been allocated to eliminate waiting lists, to extend the range of treatment options and to ensure that help is available. One of the essential steps has been the introduction of early intervention and support strategies, particularly for parents when they first become aware that their children are having a problem or when they are concerned about their children's drug use, whether it be an illicit drug or a legal drug. I had the pleasure of visiting Northam a week or so ago to launch the eleventh community drug service team, which was funded jointly by the State Government and the Commonwealth Government through its Tough on Drugs strategy. The Government recognised the 10 teams that had been established - four in the city and six in country regions - and acknowledged that there was pressure in the wheatbelt. I commend the member for Northam's representations to me about the pressing issues in his community. When the Prime Minister announced the tough on drugs strategy and its budget, the State Government lobbied for the opportunity to present its view about the priority areas in Western Australia. The wheatbelt was nominated as needing extra funds. The result was the establishment of the eleventh community drug service team. It is a very fine group of people, including some very energetic police officers.

Mr Cunningham: You are very lucky! Mr Trenorden: It was a lot of hard work to get the community involved. People do not like talking about drugs.

Mrs PARKER: A couple of different activities are happening in Northam as a result of some of the initiatives of those police officers. We do not often give bouquets to the people involved; however, the member for Avon may certainly convey one to them. I was very impressed by their level of energy. Mr Trenorden: Unfortunately, like most other places, we have a problem. Mrs PARKER: That is right. We certainly do not imagine that the problem has been solved. We have said that there is no magic wand for this; there is no room for complacency; there is no quick fix. The drug abuse problem is complex. Nobody in this place would pretend the problem is simple to solve. It is difficult to establish indicators of success if we want to have a look at something like our heroin death rate. In the very first instance, I would say that any loss due to a fatal overdose is one too many. However, against the trend, Western Australia has been able to stabilise the figures. Last year this was the only State to reduce the loss.

Several members interjected

The ACTING SPEAKER: Order! Mrs PARKER: I want to throw a challenge to the member for Girrawheen. He has very strong and conservative views on this subject. I have no objection to his raising the drug issue and I admire his level of concern. Does the member for Girrawheen support his party's policy for the next election of having heroin available on prescription to addicts and a shooting gallery established in Perth when we do not have an open using scene? The real point of issue on which I would like an answer from the member for Girrawheen is whether he believes in and supports his party's policy of having five plants of cannabis available for cultivation and use by every adult in every home across this State. Several members interjected.

Mrs PARKER: That is the Labor Party's policy. The member is talking about the drug problem. Cannabis is a serious contributor to the overall problem.

Ms MacTiernan interjected.

Mrs PARKER: The member for Armadale does not like this and the member for Girrawheen will not answer my question. The five plant policy is every parent's nightmare. In South Australia, the 10 plant system became a drug dealer's dream. People were able to keep one plant for their own use and arrange with a local drug dealer to become part of a syndicate. Several members interjected.

The ACTING SPEAKER (Mr Barron-Sullivan): Order! I realise the members for Girrawheen and Armadale feel strongly about this matter but I ask them please to hold back their continuous stream of interjections so that we can hear what the minister is saying.

Ms MacTiernan: She is asking us questions.

The ACTING SPEAKER: The member for Armadale will please come to order. Mrs PARKER: The member for Girrawheen has not answered the question that I asked him. The Labor Party and its members will have to answer this question when they go to the next election with this policy on drug use. My firm belief is that this policy of the ALP will make the drug problem worse. In South Australia, nothing other than a fine of $150 was imposed for the possession of up to 10 plants. The ALP does not want any penalty at all. It wants to allow five plants per adult. The police in South Australia have informed me that when 10 plants were allowed there, backyard growers were able to make between $50 000 and $80 000 a year from their spare room or their garden shed because they could grow enough cannabis for their own use and sell the rest to a syndicate. It became a major problem; it became a drug dealer's dream. The ALP's policy on drugs will make the problem worse. I look forward to going to the election with the Labor Party holding onto its policy because we will debate it in a public arena any time, anywhere. This Government has given the response to drugs top priority. Its policy is broad-ranging and we have committed resources to ensure that we can respond and continue to develop our response. We oppose the motion.

MR RIEBELING (Burrup) [8.45 pm]: I did not intend to speak on this debate, but the minister for drugs strategy incites people to want to respond to the drivel that she utters. For this Government to claim it has a coordinated approach to the heroin death problem is a farce. It has no response; all it does is supply ambulances with drugs to try to stop people dying from overdoses. I am told by people in the health service that the number of drug overdoses in Western Australia has increased massively, particularly in the metropolitan area. The death rate has decreased but that is because of the advent of better drugs to counter the awful effects of a drug overdose. Mrs van de Klashorst: It is also better education.

Mr RIEBELING: It is not better education. We could produce a thousand magazines but they would not stop what is happening on our streets. We are killing kids at an alarming rate in Western Australia. We close our eyes to it and say we have a coordinated approach to it and therefore all is well. This minister cannot even tell us how many drug overdoses we have in Western Australia. She says that we have a coordinated approach but cannot tell us the information on which she bases her startling revelations. The member for Girrawheen has told the minister of the disastrous situation in his electorate. How did she respond to it? She said that all is well and that the Government has a coordinated approach. She said that the Government will tackle the smoking of cannabis and that that is the big problem. The Labor Party has a view on that which I support absolutely. The minister can tell everybody that. I do not support the minister's policy on heroin because she does not have one. She has put her head in the sand and said that the problem will go away. She has said that the Government will produce another couple of pamphlets and tell people that they should not take heroin and that will solve the problem. It will not solve the problem. In Marangaroo, drug dealers are out of control to a point at which the member for Girrawheen must risk his safety to tell the minister about what is happening on the drug scene. This is the minister responsible! She did not know about it! She has said that the Government has a coordinated approach but the member for Girrawheen has risked life and limb by naming drug dealers. They are not the friendliest people on earth. He did not make an easy decision to do that. The House should support the motion that he has put forward to show that we are serious about drugs and tell the community that it is a crisis that we will tackle.

Mr Cowan: Why not deal with this tomorrow in private members' business?

Mr RIEBELING: Why not deal with it now? This is an opportunity to do so. I do not wish to debate this matter at any great
 length, other than to say that it is frustrating for me that the Government continues to say that it has a solution to the problem when it clearly does not. MR DAY (Darling Range - Minister for Health) [8.50 pm]: Everybody in this place agrees that we need to take strong and effective action against people who are involved in drug dealing in our community. No-one would disagree with that. The Government and I are of the view that we should take every reasonable measure we possibly can to bring to account, and to justice, people who are involved in drug dealing, particularly the serious drug dealers in our community. Mr Cunningham: Then you start naming them.

Mr DAY: The member for Girrawheen has taken the significant step of naming a number of people he alleges are involved in serious drug dealing. At this stage, I will not condemn him for doing that. On the other hand, I want a lot more evidence before I am convinced that what he has done is the most appropriate thing. There are always two sides to these stories. I want to hear the police argument in response to member for Girrawheen's statements. I have no doubt there is a lot more to the stories that he has raised in the House tonight. I have said that I will not condemn him for doing what he did; however, in the absence of the Minister for Police, I can say that the Government will want to hear what the police say in response to these issues. I hope that the member does everything he reasonably can to put all the information that he has made available here tonight before the Police Service so that it has every opportunity to take appropriate and effective action. It must be realised, and I am sure that people such as the member for Armadale would agree, that police need to be convinced they have evidence that will convince a jury that somebody is guilty beyond all reasonable doubt before they can charge someone with an offence. The reality is that unless that sort of evidence is available, the police cannot take action to bring somebody before the courts.

Ms MacTiernan: You did not worry about that in Carmen Lawrence's case. Mr DAY: If I were the member for Armadale, I would not talk too much about that case.

Ms MacTiernan: The Government spent $4m on a royal commission to try to convict a member of Parliament.

Mr DAY: We are talking about a serious issue of drug abuse and drug dealers in our community and I am making some serious comments.

Ms MacTiernan: There are people dying and the Government cannot put police resources into investigating it. Maybe we should set up a royal commission into this house of death. Mr DAY: This Government has done more than any other to bring these sorts of people to account. The police have been given the appropriate resources to do the job. The Police Service has a higher budget than it has ever had to take action against these sorts of people.

Mr Cunningham: It is not doing it. Mr DAY: This Government introduced and passed legislation in this Parliament - not always with the complete cooperation of the Labor Party - to give police additional powers to act against these people. The telephone interception legislation was put through when the member for Wagin was Minister for Police. Telephone interception is now possible in Western Australia. No doubt this is being undertaken against people mentioned by the member for Girrawheen. When I was Minister for Police, the Government introduced the Surveillance Devices Bill. I remember some lengthy debates in this House. I do not think that we got past clause 3 before the end of 1997 because of the Opposition's obstructive attitude at that time. Ultimately, the Bill passed both Houses. I am pleased that it is now in effect. It is another very important piece of legislation that gave the Police Service the powers it needed to use optical, auditory and tracking surveillance devices against the sorts of people referred to by the member for Girrawheen. Mr Cunningham: Why isn't it working?

Mr DAY: Work is being done to prepare covert operations legislation, which is another important area. The Attorney General is also working on additional assets confiscation legislation so that effective action can be taken against some of the people who have been referred to tonight.

 When I was Minister for Police, I initiated a couple of meetings with the Federal Government - the Commonwealth Attorney General and the then Minister for Customs. I did this so that we could get a cooperative and collaborative approach between the Western Australia Police Service, the National Crime Authority, the Australian Federal Police and the Australian Customs Service.
I am pleased to say that a very good relationship was built up between those four agencies.

 I have no reason to believe that such a cooperative and effective relationship is not continuing. The State Government has certainly put its money, and its actions, where its mouth is. It has done everything it can to bring to account the sort of people the member for Girrawheen has mentioned. We have also done a great deal through the Health portfolio, bearing in mind that we need effective law enforcement action against drug dealers. There need to be effective education programs in the community and effective treatment programs. Through the Health Department's drug Interaction program, a lot of additional resources have been put into expanding the provision of treatment services throughout the community. In particular, additional training has been provided to clinical personnel operating in hospital emergency departments so that they can provide more effective treatment to people suffering from overdoses. Narcan has also been made available to ambulance officers so that they are in a position to effectively reverse the effects of heroin overdoses. Many cases have had a positive outcome.

Mr Riebeling: How many? Mr DAY: How would we know how many overdoses there are in this State?
 

Mr Riebeling: How many Narcan treatments have been used in the past year? Mr DAY: I can tell the member how many fatalities have resulted from heroin overdoses.

Mr Riebeling: Why is the minister unable to tell us how many overdoses there have been? Mr DAY: Obviously I do not have that information here tonight but I am sure we can get that from St John Ambulance Australia. For the member for Burrup to ask that is nothing more than a stunt. Mrs Parker: I will get the information.

Mr DAY: The minister responsible for the drug strategy has just indicated that she will get that information for the member for Burrup. The Opiate Overdose Program has been established by this Government to educate people about what they should do to assist somebody suffering from an overdose. There is also the Save a Mate campaign whereby opiate users, and other drug users, are given advice about how to resuscitate their friends or acquaintances if they are faced with an overdose situation. This Government has done a great many other things. For example, the methadone program for treating heroin addicts now has no waiting lists. We have also expanded the program through the Central Drug Unit in William Street, although it will be moving to East Perth when the building is completed. The methadone program is also provided through a number of general practitioners and pharmacies in the community. This Government is not involved in grandstanding. It is getting on with the job by putting in the resources to better provide treatment in the community and equipping our law enforcement agencies to do the job. Alternative treatment programs are being trialled and funded through the Health budget. Some funding has been made available to Dr George O'Neil's naltrexone trial to assist in what he is doing. Further funding will be made available once his program is established in the context of a properly supervised clinical trial. The latest information I have is that effective progress is being made in setting up a trial with the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Western Australia to oversee what Dr O'Neil's program is doing. In addition to that, Next Step, the Government's specialist drug and alcohol treatment agency, is making other funding available through the Health Department to trial the use of naltrexone to monitor its effectiveness in maintaining people who have withdrawn from methadone as well as heroin. Naltrexone is also available through Next Step at no cost to people who cannot afford to purchase the medication. That is another new program, albeit a fairly expensive one for our Health budget; nevertheless, it is important in providing better treatment for those who need it. In addition, funding is being made available to trial the use of buprenorphine to monitor how well it will assist people in the maintenance of withdrawal from methadone, alcohol and heroin addiction.

As I said, the Government is putting both its money and its efforts where its mouth is rather than grandstanding.

We oppose the motion.

Amendment put and a division taken with the following result - Ayes (18) Mr Brown Mr Grill Mr McGinty Mr Riebeling Dr Constable Mr Kobelke Mr McGowan Mr Ripper Dr Edwards Ms MacTiernan Ms McHale Mr Thomas Dr Gallop Mr Marlborough Mr Pendal Ms Warnock Mr Graham Mr Cunningham (Teller) Noes (26) Mr Barnett Mr Day Mr Marshall Mr Shave Mr Barron-Sullivan Mrs Edwardes Mr Masters Mr Trenorden Mr Bloffwitch Dr Hames Mr McNee Mr Tubby Mr Board Mrs Hodson-Thomas Mr Minson Dr Turnbull Mr Bradshaw Mrs Holmes Mr Omodei Mrs van de Klashorst Mr Court Mr House Mrs Parker Mr Wiese Mr Cowan Mr Osborne (Teller) Pairs Mrs Roberts Mr Kierath Ms Anwyl Mr Prince Mr Carpenter Mr Johnson Amendment thus negatived.

Motion Resumed MR RIEBELING (Burrup) [9.04 pm]: I have a number of issues which are important to members and which affect people in remote areas. I am pleased that the Minister for Health is here, although he may think that he has had a bad run of things lately. The main topic I wish to discuss is within his portfolio; that is, the level of health and health services provided to the people of Burrup.

The minister recently announced a major review of the patient assisted travel scheme and that from now on people would receive a staggering 13垄 a kilometre when travelling to specialist services that were not available near their place of residence! He also said in his press release that there had been public involvement in the review and that shortly, I think on 1 October, an announcement would be made about changes to the guidelines of the PAT scheme. People in my electorate are wondering who has been consulted about the changes that will be put in place. I recently conducted a survey in my electorate to ascertain what shortcomings in the PAT scheme the people in my electorate want the minister to know about. Can the minister advise me by interjection how the review gathered public opinion about the PAT scheme that he announced, I think, several weeks ago? Mr Day: There has not been a full-scale review of PATS. The guidelines have been rewritten to make it clearer and to remove some of the ambiguities that existed.

Mr RIEBELING: What public input was the minister referring to? Mr Day: People write letters to me as Minister for Health and no doubt feedback has come from the various health service managers and other staff who deal with the scheme. Perhaps some people have taken notice of what you have said.

Mr RIEBELING: The minister referred to health service managers and letters written by people. I gather that submissions were not formally called for as part of the review. Mr Day: I just put it in the appropriate context for you.

Mr RIEBELING: The people of my electorate thought that in his announcement the minister was referring to that type of public consultation. It is of great concern that a number of specialist operations are not accessible under the PAT scheme. If the minister is still redrafting the guidelines for the system, I hope he will listen and include a couple of services that he and the people in my electorate know should be covered by the scheme. I refer particularly to orthodontic services that people in metropolitan Perth can access daily; yet, after one letter from the minister, people in the Pilbara were told that they should wait until they reached an older age before undertaking procedures. He said that it is possible to undertake orthodontic procedures at a later age. An answer such as that only indicates to the vast majority of people in the Pilbara that he does not live there. It shows that he has no comprehension of the problems that parents of children who require orthodontic services must go through in the Pilbara region, otherwise he would be trying to alleviate the problem. His answer was that basically it is too expensive to contemplate. What does that mean to the people of the Pilbara? Does it mean that their children should not have access to the same services as children in the metropolitan area? If that continues after the release of the new guidelines on 1 October, the minister and his Government will stand condemned. He knows about the problem, and people have written to him and his predecessor about it on numerous occasions. It should be addressed in this review. Mr Day: How do you suggest funding the provision for PAT for all the people who may need orthodontic treatment?

Mr RIEBELING: Out of the Health budget. Mr Day: What programs would you take it from to allocate to them?

 Mr RIEBELING: I will tell the minister. He recently answered a question on notice saying that the cost of instruments used in operations is not a problem because that cost is covered by the health system. Mr Day: You were asking about the cost of some pins and screws, and I gave the cost. I agree that they are expensive.

Mr RIEBELING: The last part of the minister's answer stated that these instruments were covered by the national health system and, therefore, the minister could not understand why the questions were being asked.

Mr Day: Absolute rubbish. You are deliberately misinterpreting it all. Mr RIEBELING: I am not deliberately misinterpreting. The minister should read his answer and the letter he wrote in response to the same query. It is beyond me how he can justify expenditure of $90-odd for one screw. I do not know how he can justify the cost of $300 for a piece of stainless steel, three inches long.

Mr Day: I do not like it any more than you do. You go and tell some of those patients about it.

Mr RIEBELING: I am telling the minister where money can be saved to be put into the PAT scheme. In no other industry would people survive by making the equipment used in medical procedures so expensive. If anyone went into the manufacture of screws, nuts and bolts and charged those types of prices, they would be out of business within a day. Mr Day: Do you want them to go to the hardware store and buy some nuts and bolts to stick into people?

Mr RIEBELING: No, but it is excessive to pay $90-odd for one screw. Mr Day: You are blaming the Government for the cost of some of the implants that are needed. Mr RIEBELING: The minister asked me how I would find extra money for the PAT scheme if I were in his position. I said he should look at the huge cost of operations that he seems not to worry about because it is covered by the health system. The minister suggests that the Government will keep paying those costs. Most people do not worry about the bills for their medical treatment because they are paid by Medicare, HBF and the like. They do not pay the bills, and that is the real problem with the health system.

Mr Day: Most of these things are used on public patients in this State, and the cost comes from our Health budget. Of course I am concerned about the cost. Mr RIEBELING: Perhaps the minister should not have asked me how I would find the extra money. I would look at the cost of the most expensive procedures, which are the operations. If the minister cannot find someone who will produce screws for less than $90, perhaps he should look somewhere else. Mr Day: You are saying we should find a cheaper way of doing operations.

Mr RIEBELING: Yes. Mr Day: Good. I am glad you think along those lines.

Mr RIEBELING: Then the money can be put into the PAT scheme and when children in the Pilbara need orthodontic treatment, they can access it. That is all we ask. Mr Day: Do you think we should find more efficient and effective ways of running the metropolitan health service? Mr RIEBELING: I think the Government has done a lousy job so far. Mr Day: Do you think we should do that?

Mr RIEBELING: Yes, I do. I do not know whether that is a trick question. All we are asking in the Pilbara is for the children living in that area to have equal access to services such as orthodontic treatment. The other area of dental treatment covered by PATS is another problem. That involves children who require transportation to Perth because they need a general anaesthetic for dental extractions that cannot be done locally. I raised in this place the example of a young child from Tom Price who had not qualified for PATS, so the parents took her to Perth at their own expense. The specialist in Perth told the parents that if they had not gone to that expense at the time, the child would have developed blood poisoning. The PAT scheme is such that had the child developed blood poisoning, she would have qualified for assistance but at the time the assistance was sought the child was not sick enough to qualify. I hope that sort of anomaly is properly addressed in the review. I raised another example in this place two weeks ago of a man who was given permission to accompany his wife, as an escort, on the return journey from Perth to Karratha after she had undergone a caesarean section. The problem is that the rules stated that he could not travel to Perth before the birth of the child, because his role as an escort would not be required until after the operation when his wife returned to Karratha. It would not have cost the department any more money for him to have travelled to Perth before the birth, but the rules would not allow that. Therefore, he travelled to Perth after the birth to escort his wife home. That is crazy stuff, and members can imagine how people in my electorate view a system in which madness such as that prevails. It is not logical to tell a man that he cannot accompany his wife to Perth before the birth, even though she may benefit from his support during the birth at a time of extreme anxiety. There were complications in that birth, and it was much more traumatic than had been anticipated. My information is that the husband would have been of substantial benefit to the wife had he been allowed to travel at an appropriate time. On a weekly basis at least, it is necessary to create a new PATS file in my office because of a complaint about some crazy decision. The PATS clerks make the correct decisions on the basis of the guidelines. Therefore, the people in my electorate hope that the rewriting of the guidelines is not an attempt to be clever and cut more money from the system, or an attempt to deny genuine people access to the system. If the rewriting is basic and simple, and will provide, firstly, that where medical treatment is not available in an area, the PAT scheme will get patients to that treatment and, secondly, that if the treatment is not available in a timely manner, the PAT scheme will get people to the treatment they need at the appropriate time. If those two are the key to the amendments, I will support and applaud the new guidelines. If that is not the case, it will be a major election issue at the next election. In my area the Government will lose in that area remarkably badly. When the member for Riverton was Minister for Health he said in this place that people were abusing the system and that was the reason for cutting the funding to PATS. There was an outcry from me and the member for Pilbara when that claim was made. Subsequently the minister could not produce one example of people cheating the system. People do not cheat or rort that system. It is valued by people in the Pilbara, and they cannot understand why the patient assisted travel scheme does not assist them with numerous and varied medical problems. It needs to be flexible enough to allow people reading the guidelines to recognise an unusual problem or a case that does not meet the guidelines, but that cries out for and receives an appropriate response. If the guidelines gave the general managers that sort of flexibility, I would applaud that system. The remote areas of Western Australia have a problem not only with the PAT scheme but also with the standard of health services provided to, unfortunately, mainly women and children. Most of the complaints that I receive are about the treatment of women and children in the Pilbara. There does not appear to be great concern about the treatment of males in the Pilbara. However, there is a great deal of anger that health services for women and children are difficult to access. One of the main problems associated with the treatment of children in the Karratha area is that although at the last two elections, which the Government won, both of the candidates who ran against me said that a government doctor would be based at Nickol Bay Hospital, and all the conservative members remember that promise whenever there is an election, Nickol Bay Hospital is a multimillion dollar complex that has no doctors in it. People who come from various parts of Australia and lob into Karratha and are told that the hospital does not have a doctor in it - Mr Day: Are there not doctors in Karratha who provide services to that hospital?

Mr RIEBELING: I am just explaining to the minister that the Government does not provide a government doctor at that hospital. Mr Day: We pay the GPs in Karratha to provide those services.

 Mr RIEBELING: Everyone in Karratha knows that this Government promised at the last election to put a government doctor at that hospital, and it has not done that. Mr Day: Does the Government not pay for doctors to provide services to that hospital? Mr RIEBELING: The minister should keep parroting that! That is fine! I will let all the people in Karratha and surrounding areas know that the Government has no intention of putting a government doctor in that hospital, because that is what the minister is saying. Mr Day: What do they not like about the doctors who are providing services to that hospital?

Mr RIEBELING: I am glad the minister asked that, because I will tell him! His government health system is miserly and penny-pinching, particularly with regard to country areas that do not have a doctor in their hospital. The instruction to the nurses is that they are to call a doctor- because it is very expensive to call a doctor - only when the medical case is an emergency. Mr Day: Presumably when it is clinically necessary.

Mr RIEBELING: When it is an emergency. That is what they are told. If Mrs Brown takes little Jimmy into the hospital thinking that he is very sick, the nurses must make an assessment of whether Jimmy is sick enough to see a doctor. The poor nurses are between a rock and a hard place. They must decide whether Jimmy is sick enough. If they decide Jimmy is not sick enough and send him home and he is sick enough and gets seriously ill, they are in it up to their necks for making that decision. If they decide that Jimmy is serious enough and ring a doctor and Jimmy is not sick enough, they are in it again from the administrator for making that decision. They need to get it right every time. Most people do not take their child to the hospital only to be told by a nurse, "You have wasted your time coming here. Here is some Panadol. Off you go and come back tomorrow." Mr Day: Are you saying every patient who presents at the hospital should be seen by a doctor?

Mr RIEBELING: No. Mr Day: Therefore you are saying that nurses should be able to make a judgment about whether a patient needs to be seen by a doctor, regardless of whether a doctor is present on site. Nurses are trained to triage. They do it all the time.

 Mr RIEBELING: The minister wanted to know the problems with the system that exists. I am telling him that when people take their sick child to the hospital, they do not expect to be told that their child is not sick enough. When a child is in distress, parents do not take kindly to being told that their little Jimmy or little Johnny is not sick enough to see a doctor.

Mr Day: Nurses are involved in the triage process all the time, including in our metropolitan teaching hospitals.

Mr RIEBELING: Forgive me if I am wrong, but would not government teaching hospitals have a doctor? Mr Day: Of course there are doctors in teaching hospitals, but doctors are available in Karratha, paid for by the Government.

Mr RIEBELING: How many million dollars is Nickol Bay Hospital worth? Mr Day: The capital value of it? It is about $20m. So what? What does that have to do with your argument?

 Mr RIEBELING: I think it is as good as any hospital north of Geraldton. It is probably better than Geraldton Regional Hospital. Mr Day: Absolutely, with some very hard working staff.

Mr RIEBELING: That is absolutely right, but with no doctors in it. Mr Day: There are doctors in Karratha.

Mr RIEBELING: The minister keeps coming back to that, but they are not working in the hospital, and when people come into the emergency section of the hospital at night when there are no doctors, the nurses make the assessment, based on economics rather than the severity of the illness. Mr Day: They make a decision based on their clinical experience.

Mr RIEBELING: That is not right. The decision is not whether the person is sick. The decision is whether the person is sick enough. That is an economic decision. Mr Osborne: No, it is not.

Mr RIEBELING: Are there doctors in Bunbury Regional Hospital? Mr Osborne: They make their judgments based on the clinical needs, and you know it, and to imply anything else is to impugn the medical and professional integrity of the staff.

Mr RIEBELING: The member can say whatever he likes. No-one listens to what he says.

Mr Osborne: You are saying silly things.

Mr RIEBELING: The member for Bunbury is the silliest person in this place. It does not make any difference. If the member for Bunbury has doctors in his hospital, he should be happy. We do not have them. Mr Day: Salaried doctors for 24 hours a day?

Mr RIEBELING: Yes. I want salaried doctors in the hospital, as the Government promised at the last election and at the election before that. However, the minute after the election, the Government forgets and says, "Sorry; no money". Mr Day: Salaried doctors for 24 hours a day? Is that what you want?

Mr RIEBELING: Does the minister remember the promise that he made in government? Mr Day: Salaried doctors for 24 hours a day?

Mr RIEBELING: Why not? It will require five doctors. Mr Trenorden: How much will it cost? Mr RIEBELING: Around $500 000. Mr Osborne: This is not a speech! This is a conversation! Make a speech! We are doing all the work!

Mr RIEBELING: The member does not work at all. Some other unfortunate incidents have occurred with regard to the quality of the health services that are provided. I do not know whether I will get through all of this document, but at the end of my speech I intend to lay this on the Table for the balance of the day's sitting. Mr Trenorden: We are really interested!

Mr RIEBELING: The member for Avon would not be interested in anything! This is a story about a lady by the name of Tracey Swinson. The member for Avon will not be interested in this, because he is heartless. This lady went to Paraburdoo District Hospital in April 1998 because she was suffering from bleeding from the outer wall of the cervix. Tests were done with regard to this lady's problem, and she was told to go away and if there was any problem, she would be contacted again. Some 12 months later in May 1999, this lady was still suffering from the problem, so she went to see another doctor, who ordered the same sorts of tests. However, when the other doctor tried to find the results of the April 1998 tests, he found they had been lost. Therefore, this lady's condition had been untreated for 12 months. The tests in May 1999 revealed a cervical intraepithelial neoplasia stage 3, which required major surgery, of course. She was then transferred to Port Hedland Regional Hospital and had an operation for that problem. She had to go to Port Hedland from Paraburdoo to see the specialist on the Tuesday. The operation took place on the Thursday basically because she had to stay there for that period because of the distances involved. At the end of that operation, she was told that she could not claim any mileage under the patient assisted travel scheme because the doctor had forgotten to give her the blue PATS form. Mr Bloffwitch: As a good local member, you could have spoken to the hospital administration and it would have organised it.

 Mr RIEBELING: After that she was told that she should head back to Paraburdoo by car. However, when her operation was over, she was taken back to the ward. She had an epidural drip in her spine. It was not noticed for two hours that the drip was not turned on. She was in a huge amount of pain after her operation and was told by the medical staff that she should not be whingeing about her complaints. Once they discovered that they had not turned on the drip, it was turned on and she gained some relief. She was told that she should remain still for 24 hours. The following day the nurse arrived in the ward and told her that she had to get out of bed because the nurse wanted to make the bed. The lady was connected to various machines and had catheters and other instruments hanging out of her. Despite saying that she had been advised that she should not be moved, she was told to sit in a chair. She sat in the chair and because she did so, the needle which was giving her pain relief went an extra four centimetres into her body. I do not understand how these things work - the minister may - but that extra four centimetres meant that the wrong part of her body was getting the pain relief; it was not her stomach area, and her legs became useless. Members may not be interested and I am sure the member for Avon could not care less, but that four centimetres created a huge problem for this lady. After this lady was released from hospital, she was told that she must travel by vehicle for five hours to get home. I do not have enough time to go right through this lady's concerns. In summary, she got back to Paraburdoo, was diagnosed with an infection and then had to be readmitted. Part of her bowel and bladder had to be removed and relocated in her body because it was tangled. Members may think that that is not very pleasant, but after her bowel and bladder were removed and replaced in the right position in her body, she was given two panadol and told that she should drive from Port Hedland to Paraburdoo. This episode took 15 days during which she was suffering acute pain. She is now in Perth receiving care for another matter, and the PATS has allowed that to occur. The doctor who allowed access to PATS said that her husband could not be an escort for her and that she should be thankful that she was going to Perth and not being sent to Port Hedland. That is an indication that the doctor had severe concerns about the service she received. This saga goes on for another couple of pages, but I have run out of time. I know the member for Avon could not care less about this, but I do. MR WIESE (Wagin) [9.34 pm]: I take this opportunity to raise a couple of issues that are of some importance to my electorate, and which are probably of some importance to many other electorates, especially non-metropolitan electorates.

The first issue I raise relates to the current situation on the Albany Highway. I am sure many members in this House have driven along the Albany Highway at various times. One of the things that strikes virtually everybody who travels along the highway is the number of little white crosses that dot the highway, especially in the area from Bedfordale south to Williams. The reason I raised that issue initially was because of the recent tragedy on that highway when five people were killed in a head-on collision. That head-on collision occurred in broad daylight at about three o'clock in the afternoon. It occurred on an absolutely straight stretch of road and, to all intents and purposes, everyone who drives past that spot wonders how on earth an accident of that nature could happen on such a stretch of road. The reality is that it is not the first of the multiplefatality accidents, especially head-on accidents, that have occurred on the Albany Highway. There are probably five or six collections of crosses on that highway between Williams and Bedfordale with three, four or five crosses in each heap, all as a result of a head-on collision. Invariably, those accidents occurred in areas where one must ask how on earth an accident as severe as that could occur on such a stretch of road. The people involved in road safety give us all sorts of explanations, try to explain these accidents and try to apportion blame for why they occur. They talk about speed, alcohol, and carelessness as part of the explanation for some of the dreadful head-on collisions that occur not just on the Albany Highway, but on all of our highways. I am talking specifically about the Albany Highway because the record on that highway in recent times is as bad as or worse than that on any other highway in the State. I travel along that highway on a regular basis and I know it pretty well. I see a great number of things that happen on that highway.

I see the great number of close escapes that happen on that highway because people do things that they should not do, such as try to pass traffic on double white lines and those sorts of things. Some accidents are purely the result of bad, inattentive, reckless and stupid driving. Amazingly, some of those people get away with it. Some of the real tragedies occur on that highway for reasons other than speed, alcohol and the other factors to which I have referred that the safety bureaucracy accepts as the cause. I believe many of the accidents that occur on the Albany Highway occur as a result of the road design and construction no longer being adequate for the volume and type of traffic that uses the Albany Highway.
  
Over the past 10 years or so, the volume of traffic - both cars and trucks - on that highway has increased significantly. Ms MacTiernan: Are any of your policies to do with rail? Mr WIESE: It is not to do with rail. I will tell the member what it is.
If she is quiet and listens for a moment, I will tell her. That increase in the volume of car traffic relates directly to increased population and number of cars, and increased mobility. Many of the people who work in country towns travel back to their homes in the city on the weekends. In the past those people lived in our communities, spent their weekends in our communities and played sport in our communities. They became part of the local community. That is happening less and less for a raft of reasons that I do not want to go into here, but that is a part of the problem. In relation to heavy traffic, the explanation I put to the House and to the member for Armadale concerns the downturn in the wool and sheep industry, and the resulting increase in cropping. We have had an enormous increase in the volume of fertilisers being carted to rural parts of Western Australia, and a significant increase in the amount of grain being carted back from the farms to the metropolitan area. I believe that is the real reason for the large increase in the amount of truck traffic. There has been not only an increase in the amount of truck traffic but also a significant increase in the size of those vehicles. There are now a greater number of truck and trailer combinations, a significant number of B-double trucks and a significant increase in the number of road trains using the Albany Highway. These are contributing to the problem, not by being involved in accidents - because I cannot think of an example in which a truck has been involved in a fatality that has occurred along the Albany Highway; however, they are a significant factor by virtue of regulations forcing them to travel at a speed that is at least 10 kilometres an hour slower than the general speed of the traffic flow on the highway, and they slow down every time they come to a rise in the highway. The result of travelling at a significantly slower speed than the general volume of traffic is seen time and again on the highway as a bank-up of traffic behind these vehicles. Sooner or later somebody gets frustrated and impatient and will pull out and attempt to get past the vehicles in front of them. The general traffic is travelling at 110 kmh, which is the speed limit on the highway, and is being held to a speed that is on average somewhere between 80 kmh and 90 kmh. That applies to not only trucks and trailers but also caravans and cars towing a trailer or a boat. If a vehicle is travelling at a speed which is less than the speed of the general traffic, invariably traffic will bank-up and events will follow from that. The problem with the Albany Highway at present relates to the construction and design of the highway. It has some passing lanes, but nowhere near enough, and they are widely spaced and far too short. Invariably, a slow moving vehicle such as a truck will try to pass another slow moving vehicle using the passing lane. If it is lucky it might pass the truck and one or two other vehicles. However, the bank-up of traffic must wait another 20 kilometres before coming to another passing lane. That situation occurs time and again along that highway. A proposal was accepted for another half a dozen passing lanes to be constructed between Bannister and Williams. That proposal has been put back one or two years. The passing lanes contained in the original proposal should be in place now. The proposal provided for six passing lanes - three on each side of the road between 15 and 20 kilometres apart - within a distance of at least 60 km from Bannister to Williams. Those passing lanes were to be around 1.5 kilometres in length. Not one of those foreshadowed passing lanes reaches two kilometres in length. All of the people involved in road design and construction should know that is not long enough. In the past I have had argument after argument with Main Roads WA. I tried to persuade Main Roads that the Albany Highway needed passing lanes not solely on its uphill sections but also on the downhill sections. The engineers did not understand why. I have driven a truck and trailer thousands of kilometres up and down the Albany Highway carting grain and superphosphate and I know that the reality is that it is no good trying to get a slow moving truck to pass another slow moving truck on an uphill passing lane, because it does not have the power to get past. It would be far better if the passing lanes were on the downhill section of the highway, so that there was ample
 opportunity for a slow moving truck to get past one moving slower than it is. The majority of roads were, and still are, constructed with passing lanes on uphill sections. The majority of heavy vehicle traffic and caravans, which invariably cause the holdups, cannot get past another heavy vehicle on an uphill section, even with a passing lane. The road design is totally wrong and inadequate. The other problem that I have already raised relates to the number of passing lanes. The reality is that the Albany Highway has reached the stage that it should be a three-lane highway. There should be five kilometres of passing lane on the east side, and then five kilometres of passing lane on the west side, so there is an ample opportunity for vehicles to get past other vehicles. If a vehicle is stuck behind slow moving traffic, it will have to wait only five kilometres for another passing lane to get past and go on its way. Until we get to that situation we will see a continuing and increasing number of white crosses dotting the Albany Highway between Bedfordale and Williams. We need to adopt a strategy on the Albany Highway right now, because even if we start right now it will be 20 years before such a project is completed and an increasing volume of traffic will continue to travel through the area which currently has at least one major multiple fatal accident a year, and there will be even more white crosses littered from one end of the highway to the other. Unless we make that sort of funding available, and until we adopt a strategy of that nature and start to construct passing lanes which are adequate in number and length, we will continue to have an increasing number of very serious and fatal accidents on the Albany Highway. The reality is that a great number of those accidents could be prevented if the design of the highway was adequate for the traffic that it is now carrying. I would be the first to admit that the Albany Highway is not the only road with such problems. For instance, a section on the Great Eastern Highway from Kalamunda to Northam is as bad or worse, and is totally inadequate as it carries a large volume of eastern States' heavy traffic. We must rectify those problems. In passing, I comment on money I see wasted on road treatments around the metropolitan area, at goodness knows what expense. If we stopped spending such money on fancy road treatments around the metropolitan area and directed it to areas where accidents are occurring, we could prevent repeated accidents at these sites. I refer to the Princess Road-Broadway intersection. The local council installed a small section of median strip in the middle of the road, and the result of the "brilliant" engineering was traffic congestion. Previously, two lanes of cars could wait side by side to enter Broadway. The right lane would continue across Broadway past the University of WA, and the left lane would turn left into Broadway towards Stirling Highway. As a result of the road treatment, the road was narrowed. Effectively, only one lane of vehicles can line up to pass through the intersection, which has caused traffic to bank up. This is not an unusual example. Exactly the same problem occurs where Broadway joins Stirling Highway. A fancy road treatment was installed all along Broadway, including one treatment 50 metres from Stirling Highway. Goodness knows what that cost! Two lanes of traffic previously stood side by side at the traffic lights on Stirling Highway, to either turn into Stirling Highway or cross into Hampton Road; however, that brilliant design work allows only one lane of traffic through. This has halved the number of vehicles which can pass during the green light phase of the traffic lights, and has doubled the time in which people sit at the intersection. Those factors are unimportant in themselves, but they cause frustration among drivers which leads to road rage and careless driving, which is the root of most road accidents. It is a simple design matter which could be rectified. These treatments should never have been installed in the first place. I now touch briefly on the farming industry. Although members of Parliament are accustomed to hear about whingeing farmers, as a group we tend to whinge on a par with everyone else in the community. The industry has been known to whinge. The farming industry, certainly in my area, and many areas to the south and west of where I live - traditional prime wool growing areas west from the great southern railway line or west of the Albany Highway - are going through one of the hardest times known in my time in the industry. It is worse perhaps than the situation we faced in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A great deal of pain is being experienced in traditional wool growing areas. Prices for fine wool of 20 microns or less are probably higher than levels of last year. However, the great majority of producers in those areas, and in most of Western Australia, produce medium wool of 22 microns and stronger, and these wools are selling up to 100垄 per kilogram greasy less than was the case at this time last year. We thought those prices were an absolute disaster. We are down nearly one-third on those prices this year, which is causing enormous hardship and pain in the heart of our traditional wool growing areas throughout the State. Many areas have greatly increased their cropping, but this will not help them enormously this year. Prices expected for grains such as canola and wheat are at a low level not seen for the past 10 or 20 years. A lot of pain is being experienced in the farming industry. Many farmers must do some serious assessing of where they are and their futures in the industry. I now touch on some good things as I hate being pessimistic. As a result of the downturn, the rate of change in farming methods has increased; that is, how we go about cropping and how we run our sheep. Some of the work of the "Wool Pro" groups is feeding back through the wool industry, and will have some significant effect on profitability in the coming year. The problem is that it is a slow process to adopt the new techniques and technology. For many farmers, it may be too late. For example the adoption of minimum till cropping operations involves greater use of chemicals and less continuous working of the ground with scarifying and working back. We no longer do the sort of damage to our farms, land and soils as occurred in the past. Some positive changes have resulted to some degree from the downturn. The other good thing I see in the rural industries is the calibre and standard of some of the young people in the farming industry running and operating farms. We have a generation of young farmers who are highly educated, highly skilled and extremely innovative, who are making significant improvements and changes to our farming industry. Ms MacTiernan: Are you saying that we might soon see a National Party member who is younger than 50 years? Mr WIESE: I am sure the member will see that. Mr Cowan: We have a couple now.

Mr WIESE: A few National Party members in here would still be at that age. Mr Cowan: I regret that I am not one of them. Mr WIESE: There are a few who have moved a little beyond that age also! We have a good mixture of ages and experiences in the National Party. I am sure it will continue with good members in the future. I touch briefly now on contracting and regional preferences. I have recently had three or four experiences in my electorate with contractors. I am sure mine is not the only country electorate in which these situations have arisen. Contracts have been let by departments and authorities, in some cases, in total ignorance of the contracting out requirements. Two of them related to hospitals and contracts being let and handled by local hospital boards. Ms MacTiernan interjected. Mr WIESE: It is not a criticism of the policy; that is terrific. Problems have occurred in the implementation of the policy in two cases by hospital boards and in other cases by government departments or agencies. Expressions of interest are called and tenders then submitted from which the successful contractor is selected. The contract is then let for a service, whether it be for painting of a hospital or installation of airconditioning. In a couple of cases the tenders have been let to contractors who are outside the 200 kilometre regional-preference area, which is a criterion that must be taken into account. However, by the time people become aware that regional preference has not been applied, it is too late to do anything about it. In one case we became aware that a contract was about to be let to a person who had applied for regional preference because he was based in the country, but whose business was located outside the 200 kilometre radius; therefore, he was ineligible to receive regional preference. He had sought regional preference and on assessment of the tenders he had been given it. We raised the matter with the department and were able to have the process stopped before the successful tenderer was notified. The department was then able to reassess the tender and allocate regional preferences as it should have done. As a result, people in the local area were awarded the contract. In two or three of the other cases in which regional preferences should have been granted but were not although the contractors were eligible, by the time we became aware of it, the successful tenderer had been notified and it was too late to have the process and decision reversed. I am seeking a reassessment of the way in which this tendering process is undertaken. For example, it should be spelt out by virtue of certain criteria, which should be clearly detailed and outline the reasons for it, that regional contractors seeking a contract with the Government are entitled to regional preference which is assessed when tenders are being processed. Mr Board: The State Supply Commission is reviewing exactly that principle. Mr WIESE: I am aware of that and I am pleased it is happening. All government departments should be made aware that when assessing tenders they must assess whether the contractors are locally based and are eligible for regional preferences. Debate adjourned, on motion by Ms MacTiernan.

House adjourned at 10.05 pm



The Courage of our Convictions - The Claremont Serial Killer-ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/the-courage-of-our-convictions---the-claremont/3473202#transcript

 

Sunday 25 June 2000 9:00AM

Several young Perth women have disappeared, and two bodies found dumped in the desert. Stricken families and police want to try everything to get the killer...DNA tests on all taxi drivers, American style profiling, lie detectors, and finely judged leaks to the media - all to build the pressure. It's the biggest murder hunt in our history - but what if it's not fair?

Transcript

Announcer: Ciara Glennon disappeared from Claremont in the early hours of March 15. On the 3rd April, her body was found at Edlington, north of Perth.

 

Redrock Hotel (formerly the Continental on Bayview Terrace, Claremont. Both Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon were drinking there with friends before they were abducted and murdered. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

Gerald Tooth: What is the right thing to do when confronted with absolute evil? How important is it to be fair, to maintain the rules of our society as we struggle to overcome terror?

How do we give people peace of mind when there is no protection from what we fear most: a killer in our midst, a killer who's addicted to killing for the sake of it and has found a way to get away with it time and time again? What do we do and how do we do it?

Do we single out those under suspicion and speak their names before we have the evidence to support those suspicions?

I'm Gerald Tooth and you're listening to Background Briefing.

 

NIGHT CLUB ATMOSPHERE

Gerald Tooth: We're on a footpath outside a Perth nightclub in the affluent suburb of Claremont. Until recently it was called the Continental Hotel.

From this corner there are a string of cafes, restaurants and shops that run two short blocks to the four-lane Stirling Highway. On a busy street about 150 metres away is the area's only other nightspot, The Club Bayview.

 

In this part of Perth shoe shops outnumber nightclubs by at least two to one, but it's the nightclubs that have made Claremont notorious. Between January 1996 and March 1997 three women disappeared from these streets at the end of a night out with friends.

 

Announcer: Sarah Spiers was last seen here at the Club Bayview about 2am last Saturday morning. She told her friend she was tired and was going to get a taxi home.

 

Gerald Tooth: The first, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers, has never been seen again.

 

St Quentin Avernue, Claremont, W.A. Halfway down is the Club Bayview. Sarah Spiers walked from there to the far end of the street to call a cab. She hasn't been seen since.

 

Announcer: The missing woman, Jane Louise Rimmer, spent most of Saturday night drinking with friends at the Continental Hotel in Claremont. Police say she declined her friend's offer to share a taxi home when the pub closed at midnight.

 

Gerald Tooth: 23-year-old Jane Rimmer went missing on June 9, 1996. Her body was found in bushland south of Perth almost eight weeks later.

 

Announcer: Ciara Ailish Glennon was celebrating St Patrick's Day with friends at the popular Continental Hotel. She left alone, just after midnight, telling friends she was heading straight home, police presume, by taxi.

 

Gerald Tooth: 27-year-old Ciara Glennon's body was found in bushland north of Perth three weeks after she was last seen alive.

 

West Australian Police are convinced the crimes were all committed by one individual, a serial killer.

 

A police map of the movements of people at Calremont on the night Ciara Glennon was abducted. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

 

They have also told Background Briefing that they believe that another disappearance, that of 22-year-old Julie Cutler almost a decade earlier, in 1988, is connected.

 

No charges have been laid in relation to the crimes.

 

While there are a million rumours, very little is really known about what actually happened at Claremont. We don't know how the women were killed, or anything about how they were lured to their deaths.

The ongoing police investigation is characterised by secrecy.

Announcer: A mother and her children picking flowers in bushland south of Perth found the body of Jane Rimmer on the weekend. Police quickly threw a cordon around the area and began a painstaking search for clues. Details of how the 23-year-old died are now a closely guarded secret. All the police will say is they've gained vital clues from the scene.

 

Signs outside the Club Bayview, Claremont. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

Gerald Tooth: Those details remained a secret, as they did when Ciara Glennon was found. Police have good reason to keep facts like that to themselves, and there is no argument with that. But things have been very different when it comes to details about Lance, their chief suspect.

 

At this point it must be pointed out that this man is presumed innocent of these horrible crimes. He has not been charged or found guilty of anything.

Lance, who is in his 40s, lives with his parents in a neighbouring suburb to Claremont. Police stopped and detained him on the streets of Claremont at 3am on the 8th April, 1998. They moved in after an intense surveillance operation over some months had observed him in his car regularly following women as they left nightclubs.

On the night he was taken in, detectives questioned Lance for several hours, then released him. Since then, police have searched his flat and his parents' home, twice. They subjected his car to forensic testing. With his consent, they took DNA samples.

At his request he was subjected to a lie detector test and, at a later date, he consented to a day-and-a-half of psychological analysis.

They openly followed his every move 24 hours a day for over a year, until October 1999, sitting outside his house in an unmarked car, following him to work and home again. It got to the stage that Lance would ring the police to let them know when he was doing anything that wasn't routine, like going to a workmate's farewell party.

Bayview Terrace, Claremont (Redrock Hotel formerly the Continental Hotel) Photo by Gerald Tooth.

During the time of surveillance, and since, no other women have gone missing in Claremont. Four others have disappeared without trace in Western Australia, but police are adamant that those cases are not related.

Background Briefing is not suggesting that this man is responsible for any of these crimes.

This is a story about how an investigation proceeded, an investigation hunting for a multiple murderer who is terrorising a city. And about whether the tactics employed are legitimate.

Someone who thinks they're not is President of the Australian Council for Civil Liberties, Terry O'Gorman. He describes long-term overt surveillance as outright harassment.

Terry O'Gorman: It's not only illegitimate, but it is something that I would hope that the Conference of Australian Police Commissioners would outlaw. One of the conclusions that I hope will come from this case eventually, is that this particular tactic of exerting overt and very public psychological pressure will be outlawed forever. If this is going to be used, then we are very little different from other totalitarian countries that we quite readily criticise, whose police use similar tactics. They have no place in a so-called democracy. It is the first time I have seen this tactic used, I hope it's the last time.

Gerald Tooth: The West Australian Police refused to make comment about the specifics of overt surveillance used in relation to this case, making instead the general statement that overt surveillance was a legitimate and effective technique for monitoring a person's activities.

The West Australian Government also declined to make comment.

Police Minister, Kevin Prince, refused to be interviewed for this program, saying he would not speak about an ongoing police investigation.

Sign outside the Club Bayview, Claremont. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

It's almost two years since it became public knowledge that the police had a prime suspect in the case. Since then there are only two things the police haven't done in their efforts to solve the crime: charge him with anything; or clear him of suspicion.

This lack of decisive action follows the largest, the most sophisticated and the most expensive murder inquiry Australia has ever seen. It's also the most well resourced because of a funding arrangement unique in Australian policing.

Announcer: Neil Ferris and other business leaders in Perth are so concerned by the disappearances and murders, they've set up a special fund to help support the police. They've so far committed a quarter-of-a-million dollars to the campaign.

Gerald Tooth: Private funds have significantly boosted the investigative options open to police in the hunt for the Claremont serial killer. Associates of Denis Glennon, the father of Ciara Glennon, set up The Secure Community Foundation, after she was found murdered. The initial $250,000 grew rapidly. No-one will say exactly how much has been raised so far, but figures from between $600,000 to $900,000 have been quoted to Background Briefing.

Denis Glennon, who is not formally part of the foundation, explains the initial reason it was set up.

Dennis Glennon: Its purpose was initially to provide additional resources to the W.A. Police for a very substantial public campaign to research and gather and seek any information that could help the police in identifying what happened to Ciara, and the two girls before her.

Gerald Tooth: The result was that nine months after being set up in the wake of the first two disappearances, Macro, the name the police gave the task force hunting the serial killer, had extra money to spend.

Already a massive operation with up to 80 police working on the case at any one time, it now had the wherewithal to launch a sophisticated media campaign.

Announcer: Did you see anything that might help trace Ciara's footsteps?

Gerald Tooth: The initial media campaign brought in more than 10,000 individual pieces of information. The Macro task force was also taking proactive steps as it made the most of the Secure Community Foundation funds to import a range of investigative techniques from overseas.

Some of them had been seen here before, but they had never been used in Australia as part of a formal investigation. For example, lie detector tests, carried out on a machine known as a polygraph.

Macro head, Detective Superintendent David Caporn, welcomed the influence of private funds on his investigation.

Detective Superintendent, David Caporn, head of the Macro Task Force that's investigating the murders. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

David Caporn: Now here is where we go into the non-traditional lines that have been covered, and when I say non-traditional, certainly non-traditional in Australia. Some of the things that we've done are very traditional in other parts of the world. One example being polygraph. Now we employed the polygraph, we've employed it on two occasions. On the first occasion it was to basically look at a group of in excessive of 50 individuals that weren't suspects in the crime but had got to the stage where we'd done as much as we could do on these people and we couldn't eliminate them. So we used it as a screening tool, nothing more, nothing less. There was a lot of conjecture that we were just sitting there waiting for someone to fail it so we could say, 'Well ha-ha, we've got the person that committed these crimes.' Nothing further from the truth.

Gerald Tooth: Later someone did fail and as you will hear the use of the lie detector test has now raised more questions than it's found answers for the Macro task force.

The police couldn't have used it in the first place unless the Secure Community Foundation had agreed to pay for an FBI trained expert to come out from the United States with his polygraph machine, not once but twice.

The first trip was, as David Caporn just said, to test over 50 'persons of interest', as the police call them. The next trip, months later, was to give an exam for one, Lance, the chief suspect.

Terry O'Gorman says Macro should never have gone down that path.

Terry O'Gorman: It certainly is in the interest of the Perth community to have this matter investigated as thoroughly as possible, but what is occurring as a result of this glut of private money available, is that police are using dubious, almost Mickey Mouse investigation techniques such as the bringing over of the lie detector expert, which no police administrator would allow money to be spent on because it's full well known that the results of the lie detector test are not admissible in any criminal court in the USA or Australia.

Gerald Tooth: It's Terry O'Gorman's view that private funding has dangerously skewed the Claremont Serial Killer investigation through the use of policing methods that have the capacity to undermine some of the fundamental underpinnings of our judicial system, such as the presumption of innocence which must be afforded every individual up until the time they are found guilty of a crime by a jury of their peers.

He says private funding is a slippery slope that sees police beholden to their benefactors in more ways than one.

For example, in asking the Secure Community Foundation for funding for certain investigative tools, private citizens on the Foundation's board are made aware of details of the investigation, a situation Terry O'Gorman argues is untenable.

Terry O'Gorman: Now it's that sort of worrying implications for fairness in the criminal justice system that I see arising from private funding of criminal investigations. Of course, if we want to get a conviction at any cost, if we want to get a conviction notwithstanding the possibility of a miscarriage of justice, fine. But if we want a fair trial, if we want a balanced trial, then private community funding of police in particular investigations is a major worry.

Gerald Tooth: For the families of the victims though, there are no such concerns. All they want to see is the killer caught.

Denis Glennon argues that the police investigation is more effective because of the community involvement and that it has created a co-operative approach that's about far more than money. He says it's immaterial whether an investigative tool is made available through private funds or not.

Denis Glennon applauds the way the West Australian Police took up techniques never used in Australia before in their pursuit of his daughter's murderer.

Denis Glennon: They were seen as genuine attempts by the police in Western Australia to resolve the killing of two girls, possibly three, possibly four. So no, I wouldn't see them as being controversial.

Gerald Tooth: There is no question though that Polygraph tests are controversial. In the scientific world Polygraphs are the cause of much division and gnashing of teeth. There is a wealth of research literature arguing that they are unreliable. It's been documented that simple tricks like the self-inflicted pain from pressing down on a thumb tack inside a shoe will fool the machine into giving a false reading. There are books and websites on how to beat the Polygraph.

The unresolved scientific debate is largely the reason that polygraph results are not recognised by any Australian courts.

So, in August, 1998, when it became public that Lance had been given and failed a Polygraph test paid for by the Secure Community Foundation, a storm of controversy broke. The West Australian Police are still vehemently arguing that they had nothing to do with the release of the information.

Macro head, David Caporn.

David Caporn: It was certainly not in our interests, either for tactic or judicially sound, or ethically sound, for us to do that, and there was no win in it for us. I mean I think when you put the facts on the table, no-one could legitimately make a case as to why we would do that.

Gerald Tooth: One person who can think of a few reasons is Terry O'Gorman. Building further pressure on the suspect to make a confession for a start, or further down the track priming potential jurors with information that could help towards a conviction should Lance ever be charged.

Terry O'Gorman: That is a significant piece of highly prejudicial information, which particularly in a small city like Perth where the potential jury pool is quite small, and where this particular series of murders have been understandably very much a community issue, I can't see how any juror who has been living in Perth during the time of this publicity can be expected to forget that fact. Most jurors are brought up on a diet of US television, and US television police shows promote the view that lie detector tests are almost completely definitive.

Gerald Tooth: And it's not just civil libertarian defence lawyers who hold grave concerns about the police use of Polygraphs and the subsequent release of results. West Australian Director of Public Prosecutions, Robert Cock, is also unimpressed at police leaking of such juror-sensitive information.

Robert Cock: I can't imagine a situation in which the results of a test which itself is not admissible in proceedings, could ever be justified.

Gerald Tooth: Would the actions that they took in this instance jeopardise their whole investigation?

Robert Cock: It's not a question of jeopardising the investigation of course, the investigation is probably facilitated I suppose, having regard to their methodology by any pressure put on the particular suspect. My anxiety is the risk that the trial will itself be in jeopardy, and of course that's a different level. But again, my concern is that the investigative techniques must be reasonably fair so as to ensure no jeopardy to any ultimate trial.

Gerald Tooth: In your view, were they fair in this instance?

Robert Cock: I've already explained that I don't see any basis upon which one could possibly justify the release of information which in some countries is available to implicate an accused person; In Western Australia where that information is simply not available and not properly ever able to be put before a jury.

Gerald Tooth: It's criticism that has Detective Superintendent David Caporn bristling.

David Caporn: If Mr Cock said that, he'd be acting in a void, because we have never released the results of the Polygraph test of the individual we're talking about it, and I know that there's been a lot of discussion between the family of that person and the media, some of which I've seen myself on news reports. The fact that we continue to pursue the particular person and continue to pursue the particular person since the test, there's been a lot of speculation about that, and in an investigation that it is subject to the intense media that this investigation's been subject to, it's very very hard to conceal the fact that inquiries were ongoing about this person. We have never released that result, never would release that result. But we can't walk away from the fact that we're still investigating the person. Now the media are putting two and two together. I mean we can't do anything about that.

Gerald Tooth: You say it wasn't officially released; can you say that it wasn't leaked to the media by police? Because if that information didn't come from the police, where did it come from?

David Caporn: It was certainly not in our interest to release the information as to the results of that person's test, so we never did.

Gerald Tooth: David Caporn.

So how, out of all the tens of thousands of pieces of information being handled by Macro, did the lie detector test result of their chief suspect become public? The story was broken on ABC Television by journalist Sue Short. She told Background Briefing that police sources from outside the Macro Task Force led her to the scoop.

When Sue Short approached Macro to confirm the details, she was not discouraged from broadcasting them. As she was busy editing her exclusive piece for that night's bulletin, the police were equally busy doing their bit to spread the story.

Luke Morfesse was the senior police reporter at The West Australian newspaper at the time.

Luke Morfesse: It may have suited the task force, certainly some people in the task force, that the ABC-TV had broadcast that the suspect had failed a lie detector test, and indeed we were contacted, we were alerted the ABC was doing this story and it may be in our interest to pursue the story.

Gerald Tooth: Police alerted you that the ABC was about to broadcast that story?

Luke Morfesse: That's right, yes.

Gerald Tooth: Which would indicate that they knew that the ABC had been given that information.

Luke Morfesse: Well yes I can't really comment on that, but yes, obviously. I'm not sure how our understanding was how ABC-TV got the story, but they knew, and it suited them for it to have an audience beyond ABC-TV.

Gerald Tooth: So they came to you at The West Australian and said, 'This information is going out on the ABC this evening, we're giving you the same information so it will be in tomorrow's newspaper.'

Luke Morfesse: That's right, yes.

Gerald Tooth: And why do you think they did that?

Luke Morfesse: It's all part of that thing with putting pressure on a suspect.

Gerald Tooth: Journalist, Luke Morfesse.

As a way of ramping up the pressure, it worked. To this point the media in Perth had largely stood by an agreement with the police not to identify their main suspect. But the release of the test result changed all that.

Announcer: In an extraordinary move, the prime suspect in the Claremont serial murder case today publicly professed his innocence. He told waiting media he wasn't the killer.

Gerald Tooth: At this stage the suspect had been overt police surveillance for six months. Suddenly he had a whole new type of surveillance to deal with: a media pack in full cry.

ABC-TV had run the story on Friday, August 31, 1998. As he left work the following Monday, Lance was confronted with a wall of cameras and microphones and a barrage of questions led by Channel 9's crime reporter.

Reporter: Are you the serial killer?

Lance: No.

Reporter: Are you innocent?

Lance: Yes.

Reporter: How has this surveillance affected you?

Lance: It's been very distressing, on me and my family.

Reporter: And how does it make you feel? How long have you been aware that you've been followed?

Lance: Since about April.

Reporter: Lance, it appears now that you've failed the Polygraph test, can you tell us why?

Lance: Well that was a very disturbing thing to me, because I'm the one that suggested I take that test initially, because I'd heard that other people they were investigating had taken it last year, and you know, I had no reason not to take it.

Reporter: Lance, I'll ask you again, because it's what everyone will want to know: are you the serial killer?

Lance: No, I'm not. No. I mean I went in voluntarily to do a test at the police station. I mean I was under no obligation to. I just wanted to, because the police were parked over across from my parents' house on weekends and you know, sort of waiting for me at work and that, I just thought, " Well I'll just go in there, do the test", because I had nothing to hide, you know.

Gerald Tooth: The questions kept flowing until the journalists were spent. Then the issue of identification arose.

Reporter: Lance, are you happy to be identified? Are you happy to come out in public and say that you are the man that's being targeted, are you happy to mention your name?

Lance: Well see, this is something I was going to do when I went home to talk over with my parents. I mean I had no sort of indication earlier that this was going to happen. My parents said there was something on the news on Friday evening I think.

Reporter: If we just say that you had denied. What we're trying to say is that we want to be able to say that you have said you are innocent, that you're not responsible and you are not the serial killer. Are you comfortable with that?

Gerald Tooth: Despite his ambivalent answers, the story, with him in it, was run on every bulletin that night. Most reporters, after legal advice obscured his face with pixillation and did not fully identify him. Channel Ten did however, showing both his face and full name.

In making this program Background Briefing approached Lance on three occasions by phone. After lengthy conversations he declined to record an interview saying he decided to stop talking to the media because it hasn't helped him in the past, and he was sick of constant intrusion.

During the final conversation he became quite agitated, saying that after two years he'd had enough of the whole thing, and was so upset that he was at the point of getting the police to 'just shoot me'.

Terry O'Gorman.

Terry O'Gorman: I think one of the big challenges to the fair trial in Australia, particularly the controversial fair trial, is the amount of pre-charge leaking that goes on in a very organised way by police, through journalists who understandably want a scoop, and who are therefore prepared to be part of this process. I consider that a law change is necessary not only in W.A. but across the country, to make it an offence for any media outlet to publicly identify someone as being under investigation until such time as they are charged. If that proposed law change were brought in, then the particular target in the W.A. Claremont serial killings could not have been publicly known and therefore it wouldn't have been possible for the police to so cynically and deliberately plant information via compliant journalists which the police full well knew that they themselves could not speak about in the public domain.

Gerald Tooth: It seems it would take such a law change before there is any reassessment of the current state of play between the media, the police and their suspects in high profile investigations.

Terry O'Gorman says the current laws relating to prejudicing the fair trial of an individual through adverse media coverage may be very clear, but in practice they are never applied.

Terry O'Gorman: The problem is the High Court, in a series of cases, particularly the Anita Cobby case, where a nurse was very brutally murdered, has essentially said in similar circumstances, 'Look, we're not going to stay a prosecution because of highly prejudicial pre-trial publicity, we will simply defer it in the hope that that highly prejudicial publicity will recede in the minds of potential jurors.' So let me make it quite clear, the law in Australia is that if this particular target is charged, he has very little, if any, prospect of getting the criminal proceedings stayed.

Gerald Tooth: Another high profile policing technique used in the Claremont serial killer investigation was criminal profiling. It's a discipline that was pioneered by the FBI in the United States.

At its simplest, profiling is the use of crime scene facts combined with the known behaviour of convicted serial killers to draw a personality picture of the unknown killer.

For instance, 75% of murders are committed by white males; we have a murder, therefore the offender is likely to be a white male.

Announcer: Claude Minisini has been trained by the FBI. He's also a former colleague of Police Commissioner Bob Falconer, who's used his services before. Yesterday he was flown into Perth after the first major breakthrough in the Rimmer Spears case. The discovery of Jane Rimmer's body in a shallow grave at Wellard, south of Perth, has finally given police a crime scene, and perhaps with Mr Minisini's training and help, a better insight into the mind of the killer.

Gerald Tooth: The Melbourne-based criminal profiler carefully examined the site where Jane Rimmer's body was found and did provide police with a profile of the killer.

His FBI training let Mr Minisini to the conclusion that the man was what is called an organised killer, someone who planned his crimes and carried them out in a very controlled fashion. The other profile option, a disorganised killer, is someone who acts on the spur of the moment.

Armed with the profile, the police called a press conference, where the then head of Macro, Paul Ferguson, told the public what sort of person they were looking for. He then asked the people of Perth to look out for signs that their work colleagues may be having a guilt-ridden response to the discovery of Jane Rimmer's body.

Paul Ferguson: These signs include absence from work, an inability to remain at work for the entire day, a sudden deterioration in work performance, an inability to concentrate, experiencing headaches, sudden changes in plans -

Gerald Tooth: Other details about the killer provided by the profile included that he would have a job, drive a late model car and be meticulous about cleaning it. There was more the police didn't release. From then on though, profiling became the public face of their investigation.

Profiling provided the basis for ads, using Blue Heelers actor John Wood and singer Kate Ceberano.

Kate Ceberano: Like Sarah's family and friends you're agonising over the events of that weekend, because you think someone close to you may be involved in her disappearance. You're worried because you've noticed a change in their routine or behaviour. Whatever it was, ease your mind.

Gerald Tooth: The ads were designed to generate fresh leads, and they did, prompting a flood of phone calls. Police are still sifting through some of that information.

As time goes on without a result though, some people are questioning the worth of Claude Minisini's FBI-based approach to profiling.

Bond University criminologist, Paul Wilson, says the technique extrapolates a lot from a little and that can hinder police more than help them. He also points to the fact that the US Senate halved the bureau's funds for profiling after ruling it lacked a scientific basis.

In academic circles at least, the approach of David Cantor from Scotland Yard is now considered the most effective form of criminal profiling.

Paul Wilson.

Paul Wilson: Well the FBI were excellent in terms of developing profiling, and essentially they developed it based on what they found with convicted serial killers. But Cantor I think has used scientific psychology to be able to make statistical predictions with more accuracy in my opinion than perhaps the FBI are able to do now. The thing about the FBI techniques is that they have not moved on very far from when they were formed in 1980.

Gerald Tooth: Paul Wilson says the FBI approach produces very shallow, general profiles that do little to establish discriminating characteristics that will separate a serial killer from others in the community.

Paul Wilson: I think people who are nervous at work or show nervousness and who wash their car regularly account for a huge proportion of the Australian population, and I think the generality of the profile would do very little except generate lots of leads which would waste police time and resources.

Gerald Tooth: On the phone from his profiling company in Melbourne, called Forensic Behavioural Investigative Services, F.B.I.S., Claude Minisini says it's Paul Wilson's analysis that's shallow and lacking a sound factual base.

Claude Minisini: Paul can sit back and say "Well they were general comments that perhaps distracted the investigation". I was part of the investigation and nothing could be further from the truth. I think that what people forget is that the individuals most cynical about the process of criminal investigative analysis or any other new process that's introduced in an investigative environment, are the investigators themselves. And if they find that what you're saying is very shallow, that it is not helpful, not useful, doesn't provide them with any additional value, they're the first ones to dismiss you and not want to involve you any further.

Gerald Tooth: The proof is in the pudding, in other words. But this pudding is actually about forcing someone to do porridge, and so far no-one has been arrested, let alone sentenced to jail.

Back on the Gold Coast at Bond University, Paul Wilson's colleague, criminologist Wayne Petherick, provides an insight into the FBI profiling philosophy.

He's reading from the FBI textbook definition of an organised killer, which closely reflects the profile details publicised by the West Australian police in the Claremont case.

Wayne Petherick: The determination of an organised crime scene is made based on the fact the offence is usually pre-planned, the victim is a targeted stranger, they tend to personalise the victim, they use controlled conversation, the crime scene reflects an overall theme of control or organisation; they demand a submissive victim, they use restraints, there's aggressive acts prior to death, the body is hidden, the weapon or evidence is absent and they usually transport the victim or body, so what that would imply is that there's usually a primary crime scene, followed up by some either secondary or peripheral crime scenes, or perhaps dump sites.

Gerald Tooth: And then what assumptions are made about what type of person would commit a crime like that?

Wayne Petherick: OK, well once the determination of the crime scene is made, generally they will go across to the offender characteristics. It would then be assumed that the offender has average to above-average intelligence, they are socially competent, they prefer skilled work, they're sexually competent, they have higher birth order, their father's work is stable though they had some inconsistent childhood discipline, they have a controlled mood during the crime, they may use alcohol or drugs with the crime, they usually operate according to some precipitating situational stress, so that could be a fight with a partner, loss of a job, loss of some money gambling, they generally live with a partner, they have a mobility, generally speaking a car that's kept in good condition, and they will follow the crime in the news and the media, and they may change jobs or leave town.

Gerald Tooth: With that last characteristic, can you explain how that has been significant in the Claremont investigation?

Wayne Petherick: It would appear that the media has been used in a certain way, whether it be to goad the offender, try to bring the offender out, try to initiate some kind of behaviour on the part of the offender, through using the media, because it is assumed that the organised offender will follow the crime in the news and media. So what they are hoping is that he is following what they're saying, and may act or react in some way to the information they're giving.

Gerald Tooth: Criminologist, Wayne Petherick.

So there it is, straight from the FBI handbook on profiling: organised offenders follow their crimes through the media. Which is why the FBI use media leaks in an attempt to influence the behaviour of suspects in serial killer cases.

Claude Minisini would have educated the West Australian Police about this approach. But to say that Superintendent Caporn and his associates applied the lesson in Claremont, would of course be mere conjecture.

Claude Minisini.

Claude Minisini: The Macro Task Force investigation was one of the most extensive, intensive and meticulous that I have ever seen both personally or objectively, and been told about. And all models and considerations were taken into account and looked at by the Task Force.

Gerald Tooth: Does the suspect that they have fit the profile that you came up with?

Claude Minisini: Yes, he does.

Gerald Tooth: In what ways?

Claude Minisini: In a number of aspects, and certainly all the aspects that were released to the public, and in the majority of aspects that have not been released to the public.

Gerald Tooth: Whatever the strengths of matching FBI profile characteristics, the police never use them as a basis for making an arrest. Charges are only ever laid on a foundation of hard evidence, and again until charges are laid and proved in court, an individual should be presumed innocent.

There is another school of thought as to why the Claude Minisini profile was apparently so general, and that is because there was simply so little evidence left behind by the killer.

Don Thomson was a criminologist at Perth's Edith Cowan University at the time of the murders.

Don Thomson: In the Claremont abductions and killings, we did not know exactly where the abductions took place. We knew that they took place in the Claremont vicinity, we knew that they took place in the darkness in the early hours of the morning. Bodies were found some weeks later, and the bodies had, over that period of time, deteriorated quite considerably. And so the sorts of clues that one often gets in relation to the victims, or the crime scene, were absent. And that then meant, together with the fact that there were no witnesses or anyone who could shed any light about what might have occurred, gave limited details to build up any sort of profile that one might find useful in assisting the police or in fact assisting the public to try and identify who the offender might be.

Now the difficulty that occurred in the West Australian inquiry was that this profiling had high visibility and the public were led to believe that this profiling would result in an early arrest. That wasn't the case, it wasn't going to be the case, and what it meant was that much of the resources that were put in the profiling were largely ill-directed, and the expectations that were built up within the public were ill-founded.

Gerald Tooth: Not true, says Claude Minisini.

Claude Minisini: We did find sufficient behavioural evidence to be able to make some very strong and incisive conclusions.

Gerald Tooth: And can you go further as to say what they were?

Claude Minisini: No, and I apologise for that. I'm not in a position to - the things that we found at the body disposal sites and what those items and aspects provided us in a profile that has a validity, I'm not in a position to go to it. It's one of the things that in the end will help the police in discriminating against somebody that's providing a false confession and a true confession.

Gerald Tooth: Claude Minisini.

Where profiling is based in the murky science of the mind, DNA testing is based on the much more sure-footed science of biology. The Claremont serial killer investigation saw the first mass DNA testing in Australia.

Path Centre (Perth). Checking the clothing from a crime scene for DNA samples. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

Most of Perth's 3500 cab drivers provided mouth swab samples over Easter 1997, just after Ciara Glennon's body was found. Police strongly suspected a cab driver was responsible for the murders, and repeatedly said so.

Faced with a massive decline in business and the odium that they were harbouring a serial killer in their midst, cab drivers were desperate for a way to restore confidence in their industry. DNA screening seemed to be the answer.

But two years later, if you hail virtually any cab in Perth and ask the driver what he thinks of DNA testing, there's little faith in the process.

CAB DOOR SHUTS

Gerald Tooth: I'm in a cab in central Perth with driver Hugh Maclennon who's the spokesperson for an organisation called Cabbies Against Crime. You ended up taking the extraordinary step, you say, of all cabbies going in for DNA testing. Firstly, was that done at your own suggestion, the cab industry's own suggestion?

Hugh Maclennon: Yes, the cab industry came forward and suggested that we thought it would be good PR for the industry. Sadly it wasn't, it backlashed on us. And the police were quite happy to do it. We had to get certain undertakings from the police before we could get full support from the industry, and that mainly was that the DNA would be used purely for this investigation, and when the industry was no longer considered to be, or someone from the industry considered to be a prime suspect, they would destroy that DNA. So we're still waiting for that to be destroyed and I'm still a little bit concerned as to whether we will finish up having that go into the national database or not.

Gerald Tooth: The National Database that Hugh Maclennon is referring to is called Crimtrac, a joint Federal-State initiative. It's currently being set up.

The Path Centre (Perth). Loading a DNA sample into the genetic analyzer bought by the Secure Community Foundation. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

In anticipation, State governments across the country are currently introducing legislation that will allow for the compulsory collection of DNA samples from both suspected and convicted offenders.

In the public mind, DNA, the blueprint of life, enjoys the status of both truth serum and Delphic Oracle, judge and jury, architect and master builder. It's like the hand of God, present in all things living, and in questions of identification, it brooks no argument.

So why hasn't DNA provided the answer in Claremont?

Belying its reputation as a biological fingerprint that leaves an incriminating stain that lasts for decades, DNA evidence is in fact very fragile. It can be destroyed or contaminated very, very easily.

Leo Freeney is the Chief Forensic Scientist at the John Tonge Centre in Brisbane. He says DNA must be in perfect condition before it is of any real use in a criminal investigation.

Leo Freeney: Well first of all, we start off with the perfect sample, and I'll state that say a bloodstain was shed on a handkerchief, and the handkerchief was kept in a cupboard, out of sunlight and it was dry, the DNA in that sample would be viable for thousands of years, and you'd be able to get a full profile from it.

If that handkerchief was left exposed to sunlight for a day or so, the DNA would be more than likely inactivated, and that's because of the action of the UV light in sunlight. One of the ways we decontaminate our cabinets is by the use of UV light. We turn it on overnight when we're not using it, and that gets rid of all extraneous DNA. So UV light can burn your skin, it can burn DNA.

Now when you get other circumstances such as rain, rain will wash it away obviously. If it's exposed to the elements; if you've got a human body and tropical weather, any surface DNA that's present from say a perpetrator, would quickly degenerate in sunlight, and would also degenerate under the influence of bacteria which feed on protein, which feed on DNA.

If there was semen in the vagina of the dead body, it would tend to last longer than anything that was left on the skin, that was exposed to the elements, but would eventually succumb to the bacterial degradation.

The Path Centre (Perth). Testing for blood on a hockey stick used in a crime. Photo by Gerald Tooth.

Gerald Tooth: What sort of time line are you talking about in those sort of circumstances, a body left exposed to the elements? How long would DNA evidence left on that body or in that body, be viable for?

Leo Freeney: Now the DNA found on a body would probably not be viable for longer than a day I'd say, if it was blood; if it was semen, longer. Depending on the environmental conditions, it would depend on whether it was raining, it would depend on how hot it was. You can think of it in terms of this: if you can spoil food, the conditions which will spoil food and make it unsuitable for eating, will also spoil DNA, because DNA after all, is a biological entity and will degrade just the same as all other biogical entities. So if ever you freeze food, it will last a very long time; if you dry food it will last for a very long time, and that's exactly the same for DNA.

Gerald Tooth: Leo Freeney.

In Perth there were no fresh crime scene samples to be snap frozen in the forensic laboratory.

Both bodies in this case were left exposed to the elements for long periods of time. Nearly eight weeks in Jane Rimmer's case and nearly three in Ciara Glennon's. During both those times it had rained heavily.

The police were not left with much. David Caporn is still putting his faith in DNA, though.

David Caporn: What I can say is that the DNA impact on Macro has been not as significant as it would be in other cases. Now I'm not going to give any more detail than that. I will tell you this, that DNA is certainly the way forward for investigation of this and many other crimes in this part and other parts of the world, this is the way forward, there's no doubt about it.

Gerald Tooth: Did you collect DNA evidence from the crime scenes that could be used to identify the killer?

David Caporn: Obviously I can't go down that path. I've never said what we did or didn't obtain from the crime scenes. What I have said, and I'll confirm it now, is that they weren't the most prolific crime scenes as far as evidence goes. That's about as much as I'm going to say.

Gerald Tooth: Why did you take DNA material from your prime suspect and from Perth cabdrivers if you had nothing to test against?

David Caporn: I've never said we had nothing to test against, and I've also never said that we had. Look, I mean the bottom line is that we're not trying to be cute, the fact is that when we go down the path of investigating a serial crime we're not only dealing with crimes in the past, but the possibility of crimes in the future. When you're dealing with a serial case, it's a little different from a case where you've got a one hour investigation, it's a live happening thing, and you've not only got to prepare yourself for what's happening behind you, but what might happen in front of you.

Gerald Tooth: In other words, the West Australian Police, having obtained DNA profiles from those who volunteered samples for the purpose of clearing their names, are holding on to them for an entirely different purpose. That is, for identification in any future murder.

Meanwhile the cab drivers and Lance wait in anticipation that their names will be cleared. Unless there is another murder it could be a long wait.

Terry O'Gorman again.

Terry O'Gorman: On the information that's been publicly revealed, there's a very strong suspicion that there is no scene DNA, that is, there's no DNA left at the scene of the crime, against which samples that are collected from the target or from various cabbies, can be tested. Now if that's the case, then the whole DNA-gathering exercise has no criminal investigation value, and again, is an exercise in hype and is an exercise in hype whose end result again causes significant difficulties either for the particular target who has been the subject of extraordinary police dubious practices, or for some other person who's eventually charged.

Gerald Tooth: Terry O'Gorman.

In Perth, Dennis Glennon, a scientist himself, would like nothing more than some scientific certainty in the hunt for his daughter's killer. He though, after careful examination of the process, has come to his own conclusions about the perceived certainties of DNA testing.

Dennis Glennon: I think that it can be a very powerful tool if used correctly. And that is the essence of it, if it's used correctly. Now there may be a perception in some parts of the Australian public or community, that DNA is going to be the 21st century tool that'll solve all crimes, that perception of it is there. It's clearly misplaced. It's incorrect.

Gerald Tooth: Again, the Secure Community Foundation played a role in this aspect of the investigation. The Foundation spent around a quarter of a million dollars upgrading Perth's Forensic Laboratory, the Path Centre, where DNA profiling is done. Most of that money was spent on two state-of-the-art genetic analysers.

It's four years since the Macro task force was set up. The task force that investigated the backpacker murders arrested Ivan Milat after eight months.

Macro, with no arrest, is being steadily wound down. From a peak of around 80 there are currently just eight officers working on the case full-time.

Superintendent David Caporn stresses that the investigation itself will never end until there is a conviction.
Lance meanwhile continues to go to work each day, but says he never goes out at night any more. He says he hasn't spoken with police in the last six months and that he's glad the overt surveillance has stopped.

Dennis Glennon continues his work as a high profile environmental scientist and in his own time helps others who have had to confront major traumas in their lives.

Dennis Glennon: If this is successful and indeed whether it is or is not successful, by that I mean a successful outcome to the murders, then I would see the model of the Foundation that's been used here as one that could be beneficial for use in other States in Australia. Now that's all good. I know you would probably return that it hasn't produced results. My answer to that is, yet.... yet.

THEME

Gerald Tooth: Co-ordinating Producer, Linda Mcginness; Research, Sue Short; Technical Producer, Colin Preston; Executive Producer, Kirsten Garrett; I'm Gerald Tooth, and you've been listening to Background Briefing.

Further Information

Search for Serial Killer Going Nowhere

article in The Age newspaper, March 2000

National Institute for Forensic Science

Western Australian Police Service

The Law Report - story on polygraph tests

Credits

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Tuesday, June 05, 2007

Is A Serial Killer Posting Comments About A Murder Investigation On An Australian Crime Blog?

By Darryl Mason

http://theorstrahyun.blogspot.ie/2007/06/is-serial-killer-posting-comments-about.html?m=1

 

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Tuesday, June 05, 2007

Is A Serial Killer Posting Comments About A Murder Investigation On An Australian Crime Blog?

By Darryl Mason

This is pretty weird. Gary Hughes writes an excellent crime blog for 'The Australian' newspaper. He has written a number of stories about the 'Claremont Murders', a series of unsolved slayings of young women, back in 1996 and 1997, that are believed to be the work of a serial killer.

Somebody calling themselves 'Dr Phibes' has been posting comments about the case on Hughes' blog, and the person appears to be either providing clues as to where the bodies of two other missing girls can be found, or trying to taunt the apparently baffled Perth police 'Zodiac' style.

Gary Hughes explains :

Has WA’s Claremont serial killer been contributing to this blog while police continue their unsuccessful hunt for him? According to a new book on the long-running saga by crime author Debi Marshall, it’s possible. She quotes Robin Napper, a lecturer at Perth’s Centre for Forensic Science and a former police detective, as describing the contributions to Gotcha from a mysterious figure using the name “Dr Phibes” as “seriously spooky”. “Whoever this blogger is, he has more than a passing interest in the subject and is teasing us with his knowledge of all three victims,” says Mr Napper.

Dr Phibes started contributing his detailed knowledge about the Claremont killings after we posted on the saga in October last year. In one comment he revealed how he had met one of the victims, Sarah McMahon, and claimed police had bugged his phone and flown a helicopter over his property with heat-seeking ground radar in the search for her body.

Dr Phibes has continued contributing to the blog, along with others for the past eight months. His most recent comment was just 10 days ago.

'Dr Phibes' also appears to have a deep interest in what he calls the "satanic" involvement and influence of Freemasonry in Perth, and the various pyramids that can be found in the city :

There is a recurring theme with Compass bearings etc with the bodies etc. Sarah Mc Mahon, Claremont girls, Freemasons involvement & satanic circles reaching into High Govt. in Western Australia. You can see that by the Pyramid shaped water feature at perth`s Belltower, as well as the Pyramid conservatory nearby. Even a former Perth premier has been involved in the Satanic,lay lines/come Secret circle Buildings about the place.

'Dr Phibes' is, probably, just be a true-crime enthusiast who pretends to know more about the case than he/she actually does.

In any event, and as numerous commenters to Gary Hughes' blog have pointed, there is something uniquely creepy and unnerving about the comments 'Dr Phibes' is leaving.

'Dr Phibes' also has the curious ability to be able to post comments in completely different writing styles, as though there were more than one person leaving comments under this moniker (see quotes below).

And this person is not just posting comments at Hughes' blog. A 'Dr Phibes' has been posting cryptic comments all over Australian news websites when the 'Claremont Murders' case comes up for discussion.

Some examples of 'Dr Phibes' comments at Gary Hughes' blog :

I believe Sarah Spiers is in water either in Ankatel (south)or north of Wanneroo.And Sarah Mc Mahon is near Mundaring Wier.Just a feeling i get.

I met Sarah Mc Mahon in early nov 2000. She came to my place for a visit with 2 friends on a Friday.I saw her on the Sunday afterwards. She disappeared on the day after Melbourne Cup in Nov 2000. The Police flew their chopper (Polair 61) over my 1/2 acre place near the Swan Valley, as cause i had met her. They bugged my phone for a while. I have had a woman giving me probs for ages. Don`t ya hate that, ppl accusing ya of bopping sum 1 off then annoying ya to hell thinking they can do that & sleep ok

Some more comments at PerthNow by somebody posting as 'Dr Phibes' :

you said Julie Cutler`s car was found in Swan View,It wasn`t !!; it was found in cottesloe in the surf. Sarah Mc Mahons car was found in Swan Districts Hosp near here. I met her twice in the w.end b4 she disappeared.I know the aunt of Deborah Anderson. I have been working on both cases albeit coincidental linkages re myself in both cases...

this lance character is way too stupid to be the Claremont Serial Killer. Any 1 who drives past a woman 20 to 30 times is definately asking to be caught. He needs some excitement in his life. The young woman attacked in Karrakatta Cemetry, the woman attacked at coles loading dock, another in Davies Rd on the other side of the Railway stn... these could all be by the same person.

And another one here :

The Claremont Serial Killer is not able to abduct women for some time due to illness. The position of the bodies was deliberate to within 10 to 15 metres.They indicate to where Sarah Spiers can be found.

The lovers of crime fiction would naturally conclude that as 'Claremont Murders' took place in 1996 and 1997, the uncaught killer would be both bored and surprised to find the police still can't track him/her down, and would presume that this 'Dr Phibes' is the person responsible and is now trying to revive interest in the case, and themselves, by coming over all cryptic and mysterious.

Or 'Dr Phibes' could be a private investigator or undercover detective trying to flush out some more facts from the public by purposely stirring up comment.

Anyway, the WA police claim they are still investigating the murders, and plenty of Perth locals cry out "what investigation", while other locals say they have tried to give police information that might be helpful and gotten no response at all.

The 'Claremont Murders' remains unsolved a decade later, and police still refuse to release information about how two of the victims were killed.

Note : A 'Dr Phibes' showed up in May on a Vogue discussion board, under the topic 'Perth Girls : Where Do You Go Out?' That Dr Phibes provided some advice to Perth women about how to get into a nightclub for free, and appears to have an interest in women's jewelry.

Interview With The Author Of A New Book On The Claremont Murders

Darryl Mason is the author of the free, online novel ED Day : Dead Sydney. You can read it here



Claremont serial killer investigation: Ciara Glennon's murderer linked to unsolved rape

By Graeme Powell 17 Oct 2015

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-16/reports-of-breakthrough-in-claremont-serial-killer-investigation/6859620

Police in Perth have reportedly made a breakthrough in the Claremont serial killings, one of the nation's longest running investigations.

The Post newspaper has reported that police believe the person responsible for killing three women last seen in Claremont in the 1990s also raped a teenage girl in the year before the first murder.

The newspaper said police had established a forensic link showing that whoever killed Ciara Glennon in March 1997 also abducted the 17-year-old from a Claremont street in February 1995 before sexually assaulting her in Karrakatta Cemetery.

The teenager survived.

Almost one year after the sexual assault, in January 1996, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers was abducted after leaving Club Bayview in Claremont.

Ms Spiers told her friends she was tired and was going to get a taxi home, and has never been seen since.

Five months later, Jane Rimmer, 23, vanished after drinking at the Continental Hotel in Claremont.

Ms Rimmer's body was found in August 1996 in bush at Wellard, south of Perth.

Ms Glennon, 27, was the killer's third victim.

She disappeared from the Claremont area in March 1997, having also visited the Continental Hotel.

Her body was found in April of that year in bush at Eglington, north of Perth.

Police decline to comment on 'breakthrough'

Approached by the ABC, police released a statement saying they would not respond to the reported breakthrough.

"For operational reasons the Macro Taskforce has not commented on similar media reports about possible links to other crimes," a police spokesman said.

"Maintaining the operational integrity of this investigation is paramount if we are to bring the offender, or offenders, to justice, therefore operational outcomes must be prioritised over media and public interest.

"Media reports on an active investigation can seriously jeopardise the investigation and negatively impact future prosecutions."

Acting Assistant Commissioner Pryce Scanlan later read the prepared statement to reporters and media cameras, but would not answer questions about the case.

Premier Colin Barnett said he hoped it was the breakthrough police and the victims' families had been waiting for.

"The police have persisted in this, I don't know any more details, but I hope this does lead to further lines of investigation, because this has been a long time, 20 years now since those young girls disappeared," he said.

Post editor Bret Christian said the link would not come as a surprise.

"When the Claremont series began, we went to an ex-FBI profiler in the United States and put the four crimes to him," he told Fairfax Radio.

"And he said, 'I would be looking thoroughly at that first sexual assault. I think that's your bloke.'

"I published this and we got criticised roundly for it and publicly for publishing this opinion, which turned out to be right."

Mr Christian said as far as he knew, police had not identified the man responsible for the 1995 rape, but had re-interviewed thousands of people since originally making the link a number of years ago.

"What's really chilling is that when they [the police] began a cold-case review of the serial killings in 2004 ... they announced they would be examining the disappearance of 16 women," he said.

"So who knows how active and for how long this guy has been before this."

Investigation spans two decades

The Claremont serial killings paralysed Perth and sparked one of the biggest murder investigations in Australia's history.

The Macro task force was established by police early on in an attempt to solve the mystery.

Senior officers leading the task force publicly focussed their attention on a handful of suspects, including a middle-aged public servant who lived with his parents in Cottesloe.

There have been more than 10 independent reviews of the Claremont investigation by expert crime fighters from the eastern states and around the world.

In 2008, police released previously unseen video footage of a man seen with Ms Rimmer just minutes before she disappeared.

The CCTV vision showed Ms Rimmer standing outside the Continental Hotel when a man approached her and engaged in a brief discussion.

Police said the man was the only one in the footage they had not been able to identify, but described him as a person of interest, not a suspect.

Senior officers also said in 2008 that up to 3,000 people had been investigated as part of the Macro probe.

The Macro task force remains active, two decades after Sarah Spiers disappeared.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-16/jane-rimmer/6859896



 

Claremont serial killer case: WA Police investigate 1995 rape lead

Emma Young -OCTOBER 16 2015

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/claremont-serial-killer-case-wa-police-investigate-1995-rape-lead-20151016-gkaq8i.html

Police have reportedly linked the Claremont serial killer case to an unsolved rape in 1995.

Ciara Glennon, Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer.  The Post has reported police have forensic evidence linking Ciara Glennon's killer with a rapist who abducted a 17-year-old woman from a Claremont street then raped her in Karrakatta Cemetery in 1995.

The young woman had left Club Bay View shortly after midnight and was walking to a friend's house when she was abducted, taken to the cemetery, raped and released, The Post reported.

Sarah Spiers disappeared the following year and her body was never found. Jane Rimmer then Ms Glennon disappeared in turn and their bodies were later found in Perth. The Post reported that police, who said at the time the Karrakatta attack was not linked, had now changed their view after finding a forensic link in 2009 and a 12-member squad was working on the case

There was a "definite forensic link" found between the rape and the murder of Ms Glennon, editor Bret Christian told Radio 6PR on Friday. "The young woman, the 17-year-old, she was walking to a friend's place in Gugeri Street near the Claremont Showgrounds and she never made it," he said.

"She made it as far as the Showgrounds subway and a man grabbed her, put something over her head, tied her, up - she said with telephone cable - and bundled her into the back of what she said was a commercial vehicle, and drove her deep into the cemetery, where she was sexually assaulted. "She told police she didn't see the man, didn't have a description of him and was let go, with no clothes, and ran to Hollywood Hospital, which was on the other side of the cemetery.

"They now know that the person who committed that sexual assault is the Claremont serial killer and if they solve that earlier crime, they will have solved the other three."

"I understand they don't know [who it is yet] but they've looked damn hard and long and they've re-tested, re-interviewed literally thousands of people since they made that link and of course gone into databases and turned over every rock they can think of. "When they began this cold case review in 2004 they announced they would be examining 16 disappearances of women so who knows how active and for how long this guy has been before this, or [how he] escalated behaviour afterwards. And of course if they'd caught him at the time of the first sexual assault the rest would never have happened.

"I think they really thoroughly investigated it, but maybe with what is known today, or maybe if they'd thrown the resources into that that they'd thrown into the other three disappearances they may have come up with a different result at the time before everything went cold. "When the Claremont series began we went to an FBI profiler in the states and put the four crimes to him and he said 'I would be looking thoroughly at that first sexual assault, because I think that's your bloke.'

"And we got criticised roundly and publicly for publishing this opinion which turns out to be right."

Perth lawyer Terry Dobson, once a detective who had worked on the Claremont cases, told Radio 6PR the revelation was not a surprise. He said the Karrakatta matter was looked at "very early on" when a local Claremont detective, an experienced officer, had called in and nominated that crime as being worthy of following up. "A number of officers" had shared his opinion that Karrakatta was "the start of it". "That wasn't unusual," he said.

"It was happening a lot, experienced detectives and officers nominating similar crimes and suspects."

In fairness, he said, investigative techniques were now different and police had much better technology and scientific knowledge to work with and it was just as well because this lead could be "incredibly important". "I would be surprised if they weren't throwing the kitchen sink at this," he said.

"There are brand new investigators in ... [and] they won't rest until they solve this, or they certainly won't stop trying. They will never stop trying to solve this one."

On the relative lack of forensic evidence, he said it could be the case that the killer had gone beyond the stage of leaving evidence behind before his crimes escalated to murder.

"Often serial killers will start off with an interest in hurting animals, they like to light fires, they like to watch fires," he said.

"Usually there is some sort of deviant behaviour leading up to it before they get the attention of the police. It may be that whatever he did the relevant samples weren't taken prior to this. It could be that he's just left stuff at a crime scene as opposed to having it taken from him by investigators or in the alternative, he's from another jurisdiction in Australia, or [even] from outside Australia.

"That's something that's always bothered me. If you look at the way the three murders were committed you've got a killing machine. You've got a superb killer. They don't just fall out of the sky. They develop. They learn their craft. [And they don't stop]. He's either dead or he's in another jurisdiction."

WA Police has issued a statement in response to the report.

"For operational reasons the macro taskforce is not commented on similar media reports about possible links to other crimes," a spokesperson said.

"Maintaining the operational integrity of this investigation is paramount if we are to bring the offender or offenders to justice. Therefore operational outcomes must be prioritised over media reports or public interest. Media reports on an active investigation can seriously jeopardise an investigation or negatively impact future prosecutions."

Ms Spiers went missing from outside a Claremont nightclub in January 1996.

Ms Rimmer, 23, was abducted from Claremont in June 1996 and her body found in bushland south of Perth that August.

Ms Glennon, 27, disappeared in March 1997. Her body was found in bushland north of Perth 19 days after she was last seen in Claremont.

Task Force Macro is Australia's longest-running and most expensive murder investigation.

It has investigated well over 3000 people and interviewed more than 500 people who were in Claremont on the night Ms Rimmer disappeared.

In 2008, detectives released previously unseen CCTV footage to media showing Ms Rimmer exchanging a greeting with an unidentified man outside the Continental Hotel in Claremont at midnight on June 9, the night she disappeared.

The hotel has closed and as Ms Rimmer leans against a pole a man approaches her, and she appears to acknowledge him. He then walks out of view, the grainy footage showing only his back.

She remains on the footpath for many minutes after that, with many people milling around her. The rotating camera pans away from Ms Rimmer and when it returns, she is gone.

The poor quality footage had been sent to US space agency NASA for enhancement years before its release but NASA had been unable to improve it.

Police at the same time revealed more information about Ms Spiers and Ms Glennon.

Ms Spiers had called a taxi on January 27, 1996 after 2am, when she left Club Bayview. A witness reported seeing headlights nearby on Stirling Road, where Ms Spiers was reportedly waiting for the taxi. But the witness had lost sight of the headlights after turning onto Stirling Highway.

Witnesses had described seeing Ms Glennon talking to the occupant or occupants of a light-coloured vehicle that stopped on Stirling Highway before she disappeared on March 15, 1997.

 

They saw her leaning over with her hands on her knees by witnesses. They said when they looked back, the car and her were both gone and other potential sightings of her on the highway that day made it impossible to determine if she had got into the car or not.

Rumours swelled in 2014 that detectives in Perth were close to an arrest but police swiftly quashed these.

Police deny talk of Claremont arrest

JANUARY 22 2014

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/police-deny-talk-of-claremont-arrest-20140122-31909.html

Detectives in Perth have taken the unusual step of denying rumours that they are close to an arrest in the notorious unsolved Claremont serial killings. Police are still hunting for the killer of Jane Rimmer, 23, Ciara Glennon, 27, abducted from the well-to-do western suburb of Claremont and murdered in 1996 and 1997. Sarah Spiers, 18, disappeared from the suburb in 1996.

Ciara Glennon, Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer.

The former two women were found dead, but no trace has been found of Ms Spiers.

On Wednesday, a statement from police said rumours that a significant announcement was pending in relation to the investigation were not correct. Detective Superintendent Anthony Lee of the Major Crime Division said there was no substance to the rumours suggesting an arrest was imminent or that a significant announcement regarding the investigation was to be made.

"This type of rumour does not serve to assist the investigation and causes unnecessary distress to the families," Det Supt Lee said. "We know the investigation generates significant interest and for this reason WA Police are clarifying the situation with the public."

Task Force Macro, set up to probe the killings, is Australia's longest-running and most expensive murder investigation. Ms Spiers went missing from outside a Claremont nightclub in January 1996. She is presumed dead.

Ms Rimmer's body was found in bushland south of Perth in August 1996. Ms Glennon was found murdered on April 3, 1997 - 19 days after she was last seen in Claremont.

AAP

New footage of Claremont victim Jane Rimmer released

Andrea Hayward and Chris Thomson

AUGUST 28 2008

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/new-footage-of-claremont-victim-jane-rimmer-released-20080828-44it.html

Haunting footage of one of the victims of Perth's most notorious serial killer has been released by the WA Police.

The footage shows Jane Rimmer outside the Continental Hotel just after midnight on June 9, 1996 - the night she disappeared.

WA Police originally released the footage to local media this morning, only to re-release a better quality version of the CCTV footage late this afternoon, ahead of it screening on Foxtel at 5.30pm.

Ms Rimmer was one of three women who fell victim to the Claremont serial killer in 1996 and 1997. The VHS CCTV footage released today shows a brief interaction between Ms Rimmer and an unidentified man, who police hope to identify. The rotating camera shows Ms Rimmer waiting near a pole outside the popular nightspot. She acknowledges the man, before the camera pans away. When it returns, she is gone.

What to look for in the footage - click here

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Detective Superintendent Jeff Byleveld from the major crime division also revealed information about the killer's other victims - Sarah Spiers and Ciara Glennon - during a police briefing today. The bodies of Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon were found in bushland on Perth's outskirts shortly after they went missing, but Ms Spiers has never been found.

Superintendent Byleveld said it was difficult to tell if Ms Rimmer was acquainted with the man seen in the video that was released today. More than 700 people were shown the footage at the time and have been identified. "We want to close that line of inquiry," Superintendent Byleveld said. He said there were sightings of the third victim, Ciara Glennon, on Stirling Highway before she disappeared on Saturday March 15, 1997.

Witnesses described seeing Ms Glennon talking to the occupant or occupants of a vehicle that stopped on the highway. "The only certainty is that the vehicle was light-coloured and the make and model can't be confirmed from witness accounts," Superintendent Byleveld said. Ms Glennon was seen leaning over with her hands on her knees by witnesses. They said when they looked back, the car and her were both gone. "There are other possible sightings of Ciara further along Stirling Highway, so it can't be confirmed if she did, or did not, get into this vehicle."

Ms Spiers had called a taxi on January 27, 1996 after 2am, when she left Club Bayview.

A witness reported seeing headlights nearby on Stirling Road, where Ms Spiers was reportedly waiting for the taxi. But the witness had lost sight of the headlights after turning onto Stirling Highway, Superintendent Byleveld said.

 

The Macro taskforce at the centre Australia's longest and most expensive murder investigation was the most scrutinised of any investigation team, Superintendent Byleveld said.

Investigators today defended their decision not to release the 12-year-old footage.

"They stood by that decision - they still do," Superintendent Byleveld said.

A cold case review of the three murders had made no recommendation on whether or not the footage should have been released.

The original footage was "underwhelming" and the enhanced footage distorted height and colour, Superintendent Byleveld said.

He said investigators did not want to risk narrowing the focus of the investigation by releasing the grainy footage at the time, in a town where one whisper could change public perceptions.

The new footage was first released to a pay TV documentary series, which enhanced the original material, but not to the general media.

Superintendent Byleveld said police had used the pay TV documentary as a vehicle for national coverage and hoped the coverage could help them solve the mystery of the Claremont serial killings.

"That's what we hold in our heart - that we can do that," Superintendent Byleveld said.

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What to look for in the footage by Andrea Hayward

AUGUST 28 2008

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/what-to-look-for-in-the-footage-20080828-44l4.html

Mystery ... police want to identify the man talking to Jane Rimmer.

Jane Rimmer is shown in the bottom left hand corner of the screen outside the Continental Hotel on Bayview Terrace, just after midnight on Sunday June 9, 1996.

Ms Rimmer is leaning against the pole where she is seen to be waiting.

Police are trying to identify the man who walks into the frame at the 17-second mark of the footage.

The rotating footage then pans away to another angle.

New footage of Claremont victim Jane Rimmer released

Andrea Hayward and Chris Thomson

AUGUST 28 2008

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/new-footage-of-claremont-victim-jane-rimmer-released-20080828-44it.html

Haunting footage of one of the victims of Perth's most notorious serial killer has been released by the WA Police. The footage shows Jane Rimmer outside the Continental Hotel just after midnight on June 9, 1996 - the night she disappeared.

WA Police originally released the footage to local media this morning, only to re-release a better quality version of the CCTV footage late this afternoon, ahead of it screening on Foxtel at 5.30pm.

Ms Rimmer was one of three women who fell victim to the Claremont serial killer in 1996 and 1997. The VHS CCTV footage released today shows a brief interaction between Ms Rimmer and an unidentified man, who police hope to identify. The rotating camera shows Ms Rimmer waiting near a pole outside the popular nightspot. She acknowledges the man, before the camera pans away.

When it returns, she is gone. Detective Superintendent Jeff Byleveld from the major crime division also revealed information about the killer's other victims - Sarah Spiers and Ciara Glennon - during a police briefing today.

The bodies of Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon were found in bushland on Perth's outskirts shortly after they went missing, but Ms Spiers has never been found. Superintendent Byleveld said it was difficult to tell if Ms Rimmer was acquainted with the man seen in the video that was released today.

More than 700 people were shown the footage at the time and have been identified. "We want to close that line of inquiry," Superintendent Byleveld said.

He said there were sightings of the third victim, Ciara Glennon, on Stirling Highway before she disappeared on Saturday March 15, 1997.

Witnesses described seeing Ms Glennon talking to the occupant or occupants of a vehicle that stopped on the highway. "The only certainty is that the vehicle was light-coloured and the make and model can't be confirmed from witness accounts," Superintendent Byleveld said. Ms Glennon was seen leaning over with her hands on her knees by witnesses. They said when they looked back, the car and her were both gone.

"There are other possible sightings of Ciara further along Stirling Highway, so it can't be confirmed if she did, or did not, get into this vehicle." Ms Spiers had called a taxi on January 27, 1996 after 2am, when she left Club Bayview. A witness reported seeing headlights nearby on Stirling Road, where Ms Spiers was reportedly waiting for the taxi. But the witness had lost sight of the headlights after turning onto Stirling Highway, Superintendent Byleveld said.

The Macro taskforce at the centre Australia's longest and most expensive murder investigation was the most scrutinised of any investigation team, Superintendent Byleveld said. Investigators today defended their decision not to release the 12-year-old footage.

"They stood by that decision - they still do," Superintendent Byleveld said. A cold case review of the three murders had made no recommendation on whether or not the footage should have been released. The original footage was "underwhelming" and the enhanced footage distorted height and colour, Superintendent Byleveld said. He said investigators did not want to risk narrowing the focus of the investigation by releasing the grainy footage at the time, in a town where one whisper could change public perceptions.

The new footage was first released to a pay TV documentary series, which enhanced the original material, but not to the general media. Superintendent Byleveld said police had used the pay TV documentary as a vehicle for national coverage and hoped the coverage could help them solve the mystery of the Claremont serial killings. "That's what we hold in our heart - that we can do that," Superintendent Byleveld said.

Police bungle as wrong Claremont footage released

The police badly bungled when the wrong footage of Claremont serial killer victim Jane Rimmer was released yesterday,

writes Andrea Hayward.

AUGUST 30 2008

http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/police-bungle-as-wrong-claremont-footage-released-20080828-4569.html

A police bungle which saw nationwide media outlets receive and release the wrong footage of a potential serial killer talking to his victim yesterday smacks of keystone cops behaviour.

Local media outlets were narky when news broke that the footage had been released by police for a pay-TV documentary. That is neither here nor there. There are lots of egos in the media and they don't deserve the God-given right to be spoon-fed when the police can get more attention by releasing the footage nationally - but I digress because that's another story...

After the news of the unseen footage broke a couple of weeks ago Deputy Commissioner of Police Chris Dawson said the enhanced version would be released to local media before the documentary aired. That ended up being yesterday morning and as the footage was played to journalists anxious to see the vision at police headquarters it was, as Mr Dawson and Detective Superintendent Jeff Byleveld observed, "underwhelming."

It was haunting seeing what was almost certainly the last time Jane Rimmer was seen alive by anyone other than her killer who remains at large. But the footage was grainy, jumpy and perhaps distorted in terms of height, weight and its depiction of colours, according to police. The question was asked whether the vision played at the police press conference was the original. Superintendent Byleveld said it was the enhanced vision. In fact it was not. So Police Media busily set about distributing the footage everyone thought they had delivered yesterday morning, late yesterday afternoon. It had already appeared on Fairfax Digital websites in WA, Victoria and Queensland.

Police media's head honcho assures us there were no swifties being pulled, but a mistake could have been made and the wrong video dubbed and distributed to media. If this is the case then it is a poor reflection on the organisation. The enhanced footage may not yield any clues to the identity of the man seen to approach Jane Rimmer before the footage cuts to another angle.

Whether it would have 12 years ago, if released to the public, we will never know. But the reaction on Ms Rimmer's face when she was approached by the man seems to tell another story. It would be misguided to suggest she knew the man or that it was the Claremont serial killer himself. But the fact the wrong footage has been viewed by thousands of online media viewers nationwide is a stuff-up and it is of concern that the police could bungle such a simple task.

The only other explanation is that the police bowed to the documentary makers and purposefully did not release the right footage to give the pay-TV channel on which it aired exclusivity right to the end.  Mr Dawson and senior officers in charge of the investigation have admitted the footage was being stage managed for maximum impact. But any move to deliberately bungle the release of the footage would shoot the police in the foot because tens of thousands of people in the prime time online medium have viewed the wrong footage on their PCs and are unlikely to revisit it again.

Don't even start an already cynical journo down that path...

But either way - keystone cops or stage management orchestrated to perfection - it was imperative the police maintain their credibility

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New footage of Claremont victim Jane Rimmer released

The camera returns to the spot where Ms Rimmer was standing and she has simply vanished.

Assumptions aplenty in new Claremont footage

Police bungle as wrong Claremont footage released

Claremont serial killings suspect cleared

NOVEMBER 26 2008

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/claremont-serial-killings-suspect-cleared-20081126-6iui.html

The prime suspect in the Claremont serial killings has reportedly been eliminated from the police probe. Channel 9 last night reported the Cottesloe public servant’s family had been informed by detectives he was no longer a person of interest.

(from left) Ciara Glennon, Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer.

The middle-aged man had been subjected to surveillance by detectives on the case for almost seven years. Police are still investigating the unsolved murders of Sarah Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon in 1996 and 1997 in what has become Australia’s longest-running active police investigation.

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Police bungle as wrong Claremont footage released

Assumptions aplenty in new Claremont footage

The Cottesloe man lived with his parents at the time and came to police attention after he was caught driving around Claremont late at night. He had always maintained his innocence and claimed he was driving through the area because he was concerned for the welfare of women at the time. Covert surveillance of the suspect became public after a series of police bungles while tracking the man. At one stage, the ceiling above his desk at work caved in under the weight of surveillance equipment. A major documentary on the murders that features much-publicised CCTV footage of Ms Rimmer outside the Claremont Hotel screens tonight. Police said they wished to distance themselves from the television report and had no further comment.

Assumptions aplenty in new Claremont footage

Andrea Hayward - AUGUST 28 2008

http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/assumptions-aplenty-in-new-claremont-footage-20080828-44mt.html

Police say it is dangerous to draw assumptions from the newly released footage of Claremont serial killer victim Jane Rimmer talking with an unidentified man shortly before her disappearance. But it is difficult not to.

The grainy CCTV vision that shows Ms Rimmer outside the Continental Hotel in the well-heeled western suburb of Claremont on the night of her disappearance is haunting. But more chilling is what the footage does not show. Police showed journalists an extended form of the footage today, which shows Ms Rimmer waiting near a pole outside the Conti, as it was known back then.

Unfortunately the footage pans away just after the man approaches her, robbing police of vital clues it could have proffered in their long running investigation. When the footage cuts back to the spot where Ms Rimmer was standing, she is simply gone.

It was the last time she was seen before her body was discovered in a lonely stretch of bushland on Perth's outskirts. The extended footage sends goose bumps down your spine and must haunt the team investigating the murders of Ms Rimmer and the other Claremont victims, Sarah Spiers and Ciara Glennon. Detective Superintendent Jeff Byleveld of the Major Crime Squad said today the footage was no secret and was shown to 700 people during exhaustive investigations to identify people inside and outside of the hotel that night. Everyone in the footage, except for the man who interacts with Ms Rimmer, had been identified. It begs the question - why hasn't that man come forward if he has nothing to hide? What was exchanged in that interaction between Ms Rimmer and the unidentified man we may never know. But is difficult not to assume Ms Rimmer is waiting for someone at that spot outside the Conti. She is seen facing the direction from which the man enters the frame, and later in the footage she is seen to be looking in the direction of the oncoming traffic on that side of the road. Police say they did not want to narrow the focus of the investigation on this man in the early stages, but have released the footage now to close off this line of inquiry. The question of why the footage was not released earlier and the police's justification that it was of poor quality really doesn't matter at this point. What's been done has been done. Let's just hope it leads the police closer to the culprit of these crimes, which struck fear into the community and has left three families with a lifetime of grief.

 


 

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #11

 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?326587-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-11/page23

 

11-01-2017  PrimeSuspect 

Originally Posted by bintang28

Grok I can't find anything on her either but I found this post from the gary hughes blogs 26/07/07 ...

Christine Michelle Schipp 18/03/02 from Northbridge 

Judy Maringu 01/05/03 also Northbrige

Phantom 62 
Does your murder line incorporate Karrinyup where the latest women to go missing is Ann Patricia Ranoldi 27/06/07 posted on the 3/07/07 http://www.police.wa.gov.au 

Also another person went missing in Collie in 1987 

Lisa Joyce Scultz (blonde) 

Pauline Walter went missing 1980, found in 1986 
Her headless skeletal remains in a ditch at Forrestdale after missing from a backpackers hostel in Perth. Her remains were identified in 1995 with new DNA technology.

Hatice Gurbuz 18 year old went missing from Maddington 
missing since: january 15, 2004

Add to this -

Kerry Turner, 18, disappeared from Victoria Park on June 30, 1991, after a night out with friends. Her body was found in bush near Canning Dam a month later.

Julie Cutler, 22, disappeared after a staff party at the Parmelia Hilton in 1988 and her car was found overturned in the ocean about 50m off Cottesloe beach two days later.


http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...fab42344cef211

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #11

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?326587-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-11/page63

13-01-2017 rhythymz 

Originally Posted by GreenE

So are you suggesting a WCE defeat is a trigger for an unplanned rape and murder or was there a plan? Did WCE play in Jan when SS disappeared?

15 February 1988 final days play in Aust v Sri Lanka test match at the WACA - Aust won by an innings and 108 runs

Same day

February 15, 1988 - 18-year-old woman indecently assaulted in her sleep during break-in at a Gay Street, Huntingdale home

19 June 1988, Sydney 14.20 (104) d West Coast 8.13 (61) SCG

Early the next morning

Julie Cutler last seen 12:30am 20 June 1988

30 June 1991, West Coast 21.11 (137) d St Kilda 14.9 (93), Subiaco Oval

Same day

Kerry Turner last seen 5am June 30 1991 – BRE’s father’s birthday

New Year Eve

Same day

Saturday January 1 Claremont Subway Attack

February 12 1995 scratch match West Coast v Sydney, Leederville Oval

Same day

Sunday February 12 1995 Karrakatta attack.

Australia Day fireworks, 26 January 1996

Early next morning

Sarah Spiers (18) called taxi 2:06am Sat Jan 27 1996

AFL Pre-season DERBY, West Coast 10.11 (71) d Fremantle 7.15 (57) Sunday, 25 Feb 1996, Darwin

Tenuous connection - five days later

Church Lane - Women bashed and indecently assaulted Sunday March 3 1996 at 2:00am

9 June 1996, West Coast 19.16 (130) d Adelaide 11.10 (76), Football Park

A few hours before the game

Jane Rimmer last seen Sunday June 9 1996 12:04am

15 March 1997 scratch match West Coast 19.8 (122) d Brisbane 7.6 (48), Waverley Park

A few hours before the game

Ciara Glennon last seen 00:15am Saturday March 15, 1997

4 July, 1997 Adelaide 16.10 (106) d West Coast 4.7 (31), Football Park

A few hours before the game

Corinna Marr murdered in Adelaide at approximately 3:30 pm 4 July 1997

16 March, 2002 scratch match West Coast v Kangaroos, Subiaco Oval

Day and a half later

18 March 2002, Christine Michelle Schipp last seen Northbridge

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13-01-2017 Mazfrank

Originally Posted by Sutton 

Thanks for coming off that secret information. Where was it on the drawing? (I mean, it's not on the drawing, but where should it be in there?) And can you tell us how you know (you worked there, your gf worked there, etc.)?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...9#post12179799

Sorry I was away and missed this message. Your map is wrong, but if you pull up google maps you'll get the roof view and the small car park behind. There was access out the back of the hotel.
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13-01-2017 ShellyGale 

Not so sure she's close to home either. Either a coincidence or a pattern formed that Jane and Ciara were found nearly exactly 19kms (give or take 1 or 2 that I can figure) from the furtherest Telstra Exchange north and south of Claremont. So maybe, just maybe Sarah will be somewhere 19 kms give or take off the Great Eastern Highway east of Mundaring - along the Powerline Run looks like a pretty good spot actually. The chances are virtually zero of me stumbling over anything I realise that but heading that way anyway so if I don't at least have a quick look, will probably regret it. If my daughter was missing, I would hope that people would keep looking for her regardless of how silly their calculations might seem. 

 

 Originally Posted by TheSecondLaw

I didn't see anyone else ask this yet, but would you like to divulge the location you are interested in checking out ShellyGale?

Regarding the speculation that SS may be close to home for BRE as per 1996, anything is possible but I'm not so sure. If the MO was the same as with JR and CG (i.e. dumped in bushes very close to isolated, low-traffic roads), then it's almost guaranteed that SS would have been found by now. Bushland close to residential developments is far more likely to be frequented (for one thing) by explorative kids in the neighbourhood, making 'hideouts' using branches and that kind of thing.

If it's the same BRE who was playing indoor cricket at Canning Vale back in the mid 90's, I wonder how familiar he was with the area between that and his line of work? Just past the industrial zone, Canning Vale was still largely bushland, hobby farms and nurseries back then. Jandakot however still retains a lot of undeveloped land over the water mound, and in semi-rural areas such as the kennel zones.

On the other hand, if SS was dumped in a similarly isolated location as with JR / CG, she would be within meters of a road, whether semi-rural or in one of the nearby national parks. How likely is it that an unburied body, covered by foliage could remain undiscovered so close to a road for two decades and counting? Could natural processes such as growing foliage, moving topsoil and animal activity have long since ruined any chance of stumbling across any bones or clothing fragments after all this time?

13-01-2017 DingDing7

 Originally Posted by Chicaletta 

Softball was Langford and cricket was canningvale

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Chicaletta - what years for Softball-Langford and Cricket-Canningvale?

13-01-2017 ShellyGale

I have him pegged as a cross dresser actually, wearing the womens lingerie he steals off clotheslines.

Originally Posted by BReVeTTe

The first proper photo I saw of the alleged was the one taken with CGE.
What struck me most - aside from his huge frame - was the feminine appearance of his cheeks and that innocent-looking, butter wouldn't melt in its mouth, pouty little smile.

The term "insipid' came to mind.

13-01-2017 DingDing7

Originally Posted by BReVeTTe View Post

The first proper photo I saw of the alleged was the one taken with CGE.

I thought, "I wonder if he's the killer - can't really form an opinion until/unless I talk to him" LOL

Then I wondered if he seemed like any of the other killers I've met! Surprisingly enough the one he reminded me of the most (at the time) was that MaCartney fellah from Northampton.

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13-01-2017  Ellwood

Originally Posted by jessicalouise View Post

I find it so interesting that on one hand he appeared very average and suburban with his LA involvement and recreational community sport playing and on the other he seemed to be very into goth stuff, gaming, dark music. Not that the two are mutually exclusive but it's almost as though there's an image he's trying to portray and the other is a deeper look into his soul and what's going on in his head. It is not a stretch to imagine him leading two lives.

Long time lurker, first time poster...I've seen this reference to goth music or dark music before, and after looking at his music likes I had a little laugh as some of it is not so different to my own. I grew up in the western suburbs, went to school in the western suburbs, partied in the western suburbs.. cott, OBH, cagneys (as the conti was called in my underage drinking days), club bay view, the swannie, Steve's, silver slipper, uwa tavern and on and on the list goes... I am the same vintage as BRE... and I can tell you that bands like the Cure were highly popular and not really considered gothic (they actually started in the late 70s punk era), often were played at the venues listed. The Cure actually made it into the Top 20 in Australia in the 80s, so I would actually call them mainstream.. and they were... not enough goths in Australia to get any band into the Top 20! I think you are looking for things in his music taste that just aren't there... they were very much part of popular culture and very much a part of popular culture in the western suburbs and beyond. The only one that stands out to me is Simply Red lol... To be honest, I've never understood the view that anything "goth" was suspicious... I was never a goth by any means, but they were always part of the alternative/indy music scene and on the periphery of many of my circles of friends. Like all subcultures, goths were often considered a little strange, and there were probably 1 or 2 bad eggs just like within any group but I don't think being a goth or liking goth music really means anything about an individual's propensity to commit horrific acts

 

 

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11-01-2017 ShellyGale

Nobody's suggeting that BE is taking steroids NOW. The pertinent time frame is when he was sexually motivated to hunt and kill young women It's a fit

 Originally Posted by SN76

Agreeee

11-01-2017 lsdmongre 

 Originally Posted by Ringos

Definitely both have the widows peak hair at the front and same fullness of hair. 

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Can't see clearly buthis collar doesn't seem up like mm. Isn't it weird as well his face has no features could this have been deliberately blanked or erased or is that just the quality of film / lack of pixels.
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11-01-2017 firestarter #

Can someone enlighten me on the relevance of discussing 
Man Boobs, bags ,MM , Steroids and all the other irrelevant posts. 
Surely our focus should be on his living arrangements at the time SS went missing and the possible scenarios on her whereabouts. 
He has been charged with wilful Murder on 2 counts. 
It's now up to the police to prove those facts. 
Our sleuthing should IMHO be on locating SS. 

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Can someone enlighten me on the relevance of discussing 
Man Boobs, bags ,MM , Steroids and all the other irrelevant posts. 
Surely our focus should be on his living arrangements at the time SS went missing and the possible scenarios on her whereabouts. 
He has been charged with wilful Murder on 2 counts. 
It's now up to the police to prove those facts. 
Our sleuthing should IMHO be on locating SS. 


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Originally Posted by meticulously 

Some recent posts got deleted ? 

Yes, I think that's because we had a very nasty poster so all posts removed to do with that "person"

11-01-2017 CuriousChum 

Ok I have an out there theory...doubt I even believe it but its an idea.

What if there were 2 csk's corresponding discreetly and either competing or working together to get their victims. 
The police were extremely positive about LW the other suspect. ..what if when the cops got onto him....BRE shut down. Does this fit timeline? Probably rediculous on my part.

11-01-2017 lsdmongre

Originally Posted by DaisyGirl66 

Found this pic of BE from 2006 on the Kewdale LAC website a couple of days ago (via Internet Archive Wayback Machine). He was part of a winning parent 4 x 100m relay team at some athletics meet. Looks pretty fit here and could obviously run a bit. His ex-wife CGE was in the team too (other faces / names blocked for privacy reasons). Also, I can't get back into that webpage now on the Wayback Machine (blockages in place?) and didn't screen shot the homepage but for what it's worth I noticed the club's website at that time (2006) was designed by 'Metamorphosis Design'. Was BE the website designer at that time? Interesting choice of name perhaps? (MOO)
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I think it was just a free template site for websites check link below sorry if this has already been posted still catching up on the last 24 hours of posts ��.

http://www.metamorphozis.com/

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11-01-2017  PrimeSuspect 

Originally Posted by bintang28

Grok I can't find anything on her either but I found this post from the gary hughes blogs 26/07/07 ...

Christine Michelle Schipp 18/03/02 from Northbridge 

Judy Maringu 01/05/03 also Northbrige

Phantom 62 
Does your murder line incorporate Karrinyup where the latest women to go missing is Ann Patricia Ranoldi 27/06/07 posted on the 3/07/07 http://www.police.wa.gov.au 

Also another person went missing in Collie in 1987 

Lisa Joyce Scultz (blonde) 

Pauline Walter went missing 1980, found in 1986 
Her headless skeletal remains in a ditch at Forrestdale after missing from a backpackers hostel in Perth. Her remains were identified in 1995 with new DNA technology.

Hatice Gurbuz 18 year old went missing from Maddington 
missing since: january 15, 2004

Add to this -

Kerry Turner, 18, disappeared from Victoria Park on June 30, 1991, after a night out with friends. Her body was found in bush near Canning Dam a month later.

Julie Cutler, 22, disappeared after a staff party at the Parmelia Hilton in 1988 and her car was found overturned in the ocean about 50m off Cottesloe beach two days later.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...fab42344cef211

 

 

Donald Morey

Donal Morey is a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle, a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003

Violent attacker is suspect in murders

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/violent-attacker-is-suspect-in-murders-ng-ya-141907

Violent attacker is suspect in murders

LUKE ELIOT

Monday, November 07, 2011


Donald Morey

A street prostitute who narrowly survived a brutal bashing at the hands of a sexual deviant who is suspected of being involved in two unsolved suspected murders says she is still haunted by the chilling attack and believes her assailant may have killed other women.

In her first media interview since the December 2003 attack, the woman, who did not want her name published, described crawling through a swamp and scaling a 2.4m high concrete wall in a bid to escape.

"I know there are other girls who aren't as lucky as I was," the woman said.

In September 2005, career criminal Donald Victor Morey was convicted after trial of attempted murder.

In handing down a 13-year jail term, Supreme Court Justice Geoffrey Miller accepted the prosecutor's submission that there was no sexual motive to Morey's crime as he was impotent at the time.

"This woman was a random target and . . . it was predatory conduct on your part," Justice Miller said. "It was a premeditated offence, that you planned to take her to a remote area and it was not the case that you voluntarily desisted from what you were doing."

Morey's appeals were dismissed and he remains behind bars.

He is a suspect in the murder of Darylyn Meridith Ugle, a prostitute who was last seen alive while soliciting for sex in March 2003, and to the disappearance of Sarah McMahon, a 20-year-old Parkerville woman who has not been seen leaving her Claremont workplace exactly 11 years ago today. Her vehicle was found at Swan District Hospital. Morey denies involvement in both cases but admits he knew Ms McMahon.

Ms Ugle's body was found in April 2003 near Mundaring Weir - a short distance from Morey's Chidlow home and from the Helena Valley street where he took his December 2003 victim. The two prostitutes knew each other.

"We don't think it is going to happen to us but I didn't put two and two together," the prostitute who escaped said.

"I'm not a dumb girl. I have good instincts and he was good enough to make me go against my instincts."

She said she felt uneasy getting into Morey's car that night in December 2003 but accepted $900 to have sex with him.

"I think he might have panicked because I realised he was going around in circles," she said.

"He calmly pulled his car over to the side of the road and he already had rope wrapped around his hand when he turned his car off."

Morey tried to place the rope over the woman's neck but she put her back against the passenger door and repeatedly kicked him.

"I fell out backwards and hit the kerb with my back," she said.

"He dived out over the top of me and I got him in the face with my feet. I think that dazed him a little bit. I crawled to the back of the car and he followed me.

"He was punching into me for about 15 minutes and I was screaming. I climbed on to the back of his car . . . to try not to let him get me back into the car again."

The woman managed to climb a high wall and stumble through a swampy area.

"I was screaming," she said. Morey eventually got back in his car and drove off.

The woman said the attack changed her life.

"I couldn't walk out in the street at night," she said.

"If I see someone who looks like him I jump a little, even though I know he is in jail."


Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #8 ARREST*

Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #8 ARREST*

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?325088-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-8-ARREST*/page27

25-12-2015 Naccipear 

 Originally Posted by mandy.maree 

Did she actually say they weren't sexually assaulted or that there was no evidence of sexual assault? 
Because the latter I understand. The former I doubt could be proven for fact considering some time had passed before they were found.
 
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Page 35 (last paragraph) & page 36 (first paragraph). It wasn't the author that stated it didn't appear Jane was sexually assaulted but the Police. "As far as they can tell" which would be difficult given the state that the author described the body being in. 
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25-12-2015  YoureNicked 

 Originally Posted by hateyrgutsloveyrface 

Yeah I don't think he would have tapped a phone box. 
I haven't heard about the Lakeway Drive-In attack, do you have a link or more information you can PM me?

See this article from the Post newspaper: https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831...-November-2015

25-12-2015  Alessi 

Well that certainly is curious. Another person is still serving time for the murder of Victoria Clark. That particular perpetrator also killed another woman in another state.

I wonder if the newspaper mixed it up or perhaps the poor woman was attacked on two occasions by two different perpetrators.

 Originally Posted by Dragun 

So back to the kimono - I went and got the paper out of the bin and used a magnifying glass to read the newspaper cutting in this picture

The text says :
"The West Australian, Perth Wednesday Feruary 17 1988
Kimono clue to a brutal killing by Cyril Ayris
This kimono may be the clue that helps
  solve the brutal killing of Victoria Heather
Clark, 30, in Victoria Park last September.
It was dropped by a man that walked into a Huntingdale house early on Monday morning and lay on top of a sleeping 18-year-old girl...
The kimono is the first good clue the police have been given in recent sex attacks in the area.
Det-Sgt Max Kiernan said the man
  apparently walked into the house..."
I still don't see what the link is??

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25-12-2015  meticulously 

 Originally Posted by Alessi View Post

Well that certainly is curious. Another person is still serving time for the murder of Victoria Clark. That particular perpetrator also killed another woman in another state.
I wonder if the newspaper mixed it up or perhaps the poor woman was attacked on two occasions by two different perpetrators.
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There’s nothing to be confused about though 

25-12-2015   The Hobo

 Originally Posted by YoureNicked 

I just asked my father about Telstra in the 90's and he said that exchanges, even the small, suburban ones were only accessible to staff who worked there. Most exchanges only had a few staff. Most technicians never went to an exchange - they received their jobs via a remote office.

For those few staff authorised to access an exchange, access was via keypad and all entrances were logged electronically at a central base. I didn't get to ask whether there were cameras installed at these exchanges as Mum didn't want talk of such dark things on Christmas Day but I would doubt there were cameras in those days.


There are plenty of exchanges that are still key locked. No electronic logging etc. 
I don't recall ever seeing keypads, but the majority are via eacs now, such is just an rfid card swiped on a card reader. 
Most exchanges in the mid 90s were key. 
I'm not sure the exchanges come into it, the proximity is a coincidence in my mind. There's so many exchanges out there, most crimes will be near one.

25-12-2015   The Hobo 

 Originally Posted by mandy.maree 

Maybe the girls were wary of taxi drivers. I'm thinking if I was in the area at the time and police are interviewing taxi drivers in relation to disappearances...maybe a stranger offering a lift in a non taxi vehicle could seem a safer option!
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Maybe for CG, but for JR and especially SS, there was no known danger of taxis.

25-12-2015    meticulously 

 Originally Posted by Frankie1972 

if a car stop that night we would of seen that

Frankie72 has that always been the story you've told?
What do you think now that the perpetrator has been caught ? http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji319.png 

25-12-2015     hateyrgutsloveyrface 

 Originally Posted by YoureNicked 

See this article from the Post newspaper: https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831...-November-2015

I don't think this is BE. The description doesn't seem to match as at the time of this occurring (1989), he would have been 19-21.

25-12-2015     Sutton 

 Originally Posted by mandy.maree 

I'm really curious about the other peoples clothes found with Claremont victims.
Were they off other victims of his also?? Sure seems to be headed that way.
Maybe he covered his face with them..or maybe he left them as smart ass clues about the others for police
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Hi, mandy.maree. Can you link your source(s) for this? Thank you.

25-12-2015     Sutton 

 Originally Posted by Misticaldees 

Where is papertrail at? His posts look sooooo sus now.

Papertrail has posted since the arrest. If you click his or her user name you can read their latest posts.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831/POST-Newspaper-for-14th-of-November-2015

YoureNicked 

 Originally Posted by hateyrgutsloveyrface 

I don't think this is BE. The description doesn't seem to match as at the time of this occurring (1989), he would have been 19-21.

Yes, good point. I had forgotten the victim said her attacker seemed older 'at least thirty' due to his hard whiskers, which would make him too old to have been BE.

YoureNicked 

 Originally Posted by hateyrgutsloveyrface 

I don't think this is BE. The description doesn't seem to match as at the time of this occurring (1989), he would have been 19-21.

Yes, good point. I had forgotten the victim said her attacker seemed older 'at least thirty' due to his hard whiskers, which would make him too old to have been BE.

Originally Posted by meticulously 

articles of clothing found at the crime scene of jane rimers body
News article that mentions miscellaneous clothing at wellard
 

https://www.scribd.com/doc/289515831/POST-Newspaper-for-14th-of-November-2015

Documents similar to POST Newspaper for 14th of November, 2015

POST Newspaper for 17th of October, 2015 by POST Newspapershttps://www.scribd.com/doc/285268021/POST-Newspaper-for-17th-of-October-2015https://www.scribd.com/doc/285268021/POST-Newspaper-for-17th-of-October-2015

FourthSerial Victim

By Bret Christian

Police have made a positive link between an unknown rapist and the murderer of the infamous Claremont Serial Killer. The forensic link shows that the man who abducted a woman from a Claremont street late at night and sexually assaulted her in Karrakatta Cemetery in 1995 is the same man who murdered Ciara Glennon. Police hope the breakthrough will lead to the arrest of the man who prayed on and murdered young women whp had been partying in central Claremont in the mid 1990’s. Police have long linked three crimes, all assumed to be murders. But it is now known that there is a link between at least one of the murders and an abduction and sexual assault where he victim survived. Ms Glennon, a 27 year-old lawyer, was the last known victim in 1997 of the unknown man who became notorious Australia-wide as the Claremont Serial Killer. She was last seen after leaving the Claremont Hotel around midnight on March the 17th, 1997. Ciara Glennon was talking to someone in a white station wagon stopped on Stirling Highway, opposite Hungry Jacks. The attacks by the same person are now known to span at least three years. When the Claremont cold case investigation uncovered the vital clue began in 2004, police announced that the cases of 16 missing women would be included. The Special Crime Squad is actively investigating the mystery that began nearly 20 years ago with the disappearance of secretary Sarah Spiers (18) from Stirling Road in Claremont after she has left Club Bay View around 2 am in January, 1996.

On February 12, 1995, a year before the abduction of the first known ‘serial killer’victim, Sarah Spiers. The 17-year-ols rape victim left Club Bay View after midnight and was walking to a friend’s house in Gugeri Street, opposite the Claremont Showgrounds arena/ But she did not arrive. As she walked past Rowe Park opposite the Claremont subway, a man abducted her and forced her into what was described at the time as van. He tied her wrists with what was described as telephone cable, and her head was covered. She later told police she did not see her attacker’s face. She was driven into darkness of a remote part of Karrakatta Cemetery, stripped and sexually assaulted then released.  She ran to the nearest visible light, the administration section of the Hollywood Hospital in nearly Monash Avenue, Nedlands, in the other side of the cemetery from Gugeri Street. A few months after Sarah Spiers disappeared, local child-care worker Jane Rimmer, who had been at the Claremont Hotel, disappeared. She was thought to have been abducted walking east in Stirling Highway. Her body was found south of Perth. Ms Ciara Gellens body was found north of Perth and Sarah Spiers’s body had never been found. That crime remains unsolved. A 12-man squad has been working almost full time on the Claremont serial killer case since the forensic link was made, with the help of advances in forensic science in 2009. Detectives are also keen to re-investigate any other attacks, sexual crimes, attempted abductions or even home invasions in the 1990’s in case the same culprit was involved. This could provide small but important links to the killer police seek. Since then, detectives have interviewed and re-interviewed thousands of people in the hope of completing the link, so far without success. The breakthrough forensic link has led police to abandon their focus on a Cottesloe public servant, where they had focused most of their resources for many years. Perth metropolitan media at the time freely referred to him as the chief suspect. The cols case squad has also eliminated former  Claremont mayor Peter Waygers, whose home was raided in 2004 after a tip from a clairvoyant. When, in 1997, the POST published the opinion of a US crime expert that the first place to start looking for the culprit was the cemetery attacker, WA police issued press statements asking the media not to publish the views of outside experts. Detectives at the time said the cemetery and Claremont serial killer attacks were not linked. The WA Police have now totally changed their view. The WA Police now believe that all four crimes, all blitz attacks, were sexually motivated and linked to the same man.

February 15, 1988 - 18-year-old woman indecently assaulted in her sleep during break-in at a Gay Street, Huntingdale home

Julie Cutler last seen 12:30am 20 June 1988

1991 Cottesloe Hotel/Lakeway Drive-in (opportunistic) - 

- opportunistic attempted rape. Passed out girl in car at the Cottesloe Hotel ..
 the girl says she remembers that  the man had whiskers and not like the younger boys she had previously been kissing by

1993 -two rapes in Princes Rd/Bayview Tce attack - taxi pick up (2 dudes)

and Lakeway golf course attack - taxi pick up (1 dude) ...


Kerry Turner last seen 5am June 30 1991 – BRE’s father’s birthday

Saturday January 1, 1994 Claremont Subway Attack

1994 Jan 1 woman driving home from Club Bay View fights off man who dragged her from her car and tried to rape her near the Claremont subway 

1994 May 23 Pamela Lawrence is murdered at her shop in Mosman Park. Andrew Mark Mallard is wrongfully convicted of her murder in 1995. 
He is ultimately cleared... some 12 years later

1994 Oct A 31-year-old woman breaks her ankle when she leaps from a speeding taxi on Princess Road after the driver and another man try to attack her. 

Sunday February 12 1995 Karrakatta attack.

1995 Feb 12 Teenager abducted in Rowe Park, tied with electrical flex and raped at Karrakatta Cemetery

1996 Jan 27 Sarah Spiers 18, spends the evening with friends at Club Bay View. At 2.06am, she calls taxi from a Claremont phone box. When the taxi arrives she has gone and is not seen again. Sarah Spiers (18) called taxi 2:06am Sat Jan 27 1996

1996 Feb Police confirm they have received reports of bogus taxis in Perth. 

Church Lane - Women bashed and indecently assaulted Sunday March 3 1996 at 2:00am

1996 Mar 3 A 21-year-old woman is bashed and indecently assaulted in Church Lane behind Club Bay View. 

1996 Car park behind Club Bay View - blitz attack

Jane Rimmer last seen Sunday June 9 1996 12:04am

Ciara Glennon last seen 00:15am Saturday March 15, 1997

Corinna Marr murdered in Adelaide at approximately 3:30 pm 4 July 1997


Nov. 1998 - Lisa Brown, missing (sex worker, last seen on Palmerston St.)

Nov. 2000 - Sarah McMahon, missing (last seen in Claremont, knew Morey)

Apr. 2002 - Survivor (attacked on Palmerston St.)

18 March 2002, Christine Michelle Schipp last seen Northbridge

Mar. 2003 - Darylyn Ugle, murdered (sex worker, body found near Mundaring Weir)

Dec. 2003 - Survivor (sex worker, escaped near Mundaring Weir)

 8th August, 2005 - Robyn Santen went Missing in Leederville- Cottesloe area, and has never been found.


Teen lured into Claremont car 
Subiaco Post December, 22, 2015
" What the hell are you doing?" said teen ..



Claremont Serial Killings

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-110

Discussion in 'Crime' started by bunsen burner, Dec 6, 2012

If we are to believe the new hype, Dixie looks likely!

A Thai woman, now aged 30, was a 19-year-old economics student in Perth when a man wearing a stocking mask broke into her home and attacked her. She was stabbed eight times and raped while unconscious — an attack identical in many ways to the killing of Ms Bowman.
Dixie's DNA was found on the woman's underwear, but he has not been charged.
The British detective who investigated Ms Bowman's murder is convinced Dixie has left a string of victims in Australia. "I can't believe Sally Anne's murder was Dixie's first because of the way in which it was carried out," Detective Superintendent Stuart Cundy said outside London's Old Bailey court.
"I am still convinced he has done something somewhere in Australia. If he has committed another shocking murder … it is in Australia."
He appealed for women in Australia and Britain to study Dixie's photograph and to come forward if they had been attacked by him.
While Dixie was cleared by WA police in December 2006 of any involvement in the Claremont killings, a police source told The Sunday Age yesterday that detectives would now review that decision following his murder conviction.

 

oldsod, Mar 21, 2015

oldsod said:

f we are to believe the new hype, Dixie looks likely!

A Thai woman, now aged 30, was a 19-year-old economics student in Perth when a man wearing a stocking mask broke into her home and attacked her. She was stabbed eight times and raped while unconscious — an attack identical in many ways to the killing of Ms Bowman.
Dixie's DNA was found on the woman's underwear, but he has not been charged.
The British detective who investigated Ms Bowman's murder is convinced Dixie has left a string of victims in Australia. "I can't believe Sally Anne's murder was Dixie's first because of the way in which it was carried out," Detective Superintendent Stuart Cundy said outside London's Old Bailey court.
"I am still convinced he has done something somewhere in Australia. If he has committed another shocking murder … it is in Australia."
He appealed for women in Australia and Britain to study Dixie's photograph and to come forward if they had been attacked by him.
While Dixie was cleared by WA police in December 2006 of any involvement in the Claremont killings, a police source told The Sunday Age yesterday that detectives would now review that decision following his murder conviction.

Agree. 
I recall reading somewhere that Dixie was a chef at the conti during the time of the murders - though have never seen/heard this since.

88mph, Mar 21, 2015

Not Dixie. 

Why would they be doing a familial DNA search if he is the guy? They have his DNA

billywhizz said

Well that ends that theory! You and your logic..lol!

oldsod, Mar 21, 2015

88mph said:

B

There are many questions we want Ex to answer but they won't.

Most suss person on here I reckon. Definitely likes playing silly buggers.;)

AAACockburn, Mar 21, 2015

I wonder if they are doing familial testing in order to try and strike it lucky with a fluke match found by the new software
Or merely as a formality because someone is refusing to provide DNA
Article is suggesting it's one person who is responsible for all three and detectives also seem more confident they know the exact method
Also a time given as to when new developments can be expected

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billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015

This off Missing and Murdered WA -

AnonymousNovember 29, 2014 at 10:00 PM
I was approached by a wa detective on the 22nd of nov,14 , in act. They came to my house and said they're investigating a cold murder case.I was really shocked and still am.because I don't have a criminal record and to top it all off the crime was committed in 1979, when I was13 years old.and lived in qld back then.I have never been to wa.he took a dna sample from my mouth as well.so I must be a really young murderer.can someone please shed some light on this harrasment by the police!
November 29, 2014 at 11:50 PM
Do you have a relative that was in WA at the time of the murder? The police may be using DNA to identify a family then track back to the suspect.
AnonymousDecember 4, 2014 at 1:14 AM
Not that I know of.I have an older cousin, he might have visited wa then.he would have been 19,20 at the time of the crime

oldsod, Mar 21, 2015

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Does anybody believe this news article is spot on or is it a piece of bait in attempt to trip up the CSK?

the dark knight, Mar 21, 2015

88mph said: 

This new revelation from the Post just doesn't make sense to me.

It's unimaginable to think 3 women were forcibly taken from the streets of Claremont with not a single witness to the attack. And a single person carrying out this attack seems even more unimaginable.

I agree. From the time SS called a taxi to the time she was passed by witnesses is 2-3 minutes. If CSK banked on getting out and abducting her - he'd be banking on too many variables IMO, it would extremely risky. Going off the stories in this thread, I don't think these girls were forced.
Glennon was seen talking to a car by witnesses, then disappeared. That didn't sound like she was forced. And of all of them, If Rimmer was forced, she was outside a nightclub? I think someone would've heard her scream. I don't buy the latest story.
But I am glad they are looking into other crimes, because surely the CSK built up to this. IMO there would be a trial of crime leading up to it.
These investigators seem to of overlooked a lot. There must be a lot we don't know if they think it is brazen and the victims were forced.

I am Jack, Mar 21, 2015

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excaliburx, billywhizz and Shadowboxer70 like this.

why would the 2 posts I shared last night have been deleted???????

Fishyfish, Mar 21, 2015

Toolong said:

Yes indeed it was.
Billy and I were at odds with each other.
I couldn't work out what he was asking, and he couldn't work out what I was saying. All because of the two versions of footage!
In the end, because it was the wee hours, I just gave up and went to bed.

I also seen the earlier footage that the police removed after one day when it was first released. Is this the footage you speak of?

Shadowboxer70, Mar 21, 2015

Shadowboxer70 said: 

I also seen the earlier footage that the police removed after one day when it was first released. Is this the footage you speak of?

Fishyfish, Mar 21, 2015

sorry new to this,don't really know how this works,but no I saw no footage was curious as to why my theory of OBH etc deleted!

Fishyfish, Mar 21, 2015

Fishyfish said:

Ok new to this but have read everything and want to throw some things out there!!!
.having grown up in Claremont and frequenting the 3 night spots also working at night in Cottesloe at the time I have some thoughts!

The OBH angle seemed really overlooked!! Big crowds, country boys in mole skins and chambray shirts(MM) and being long weekends a LOT about!
Perhaps farm/station hand down from country!? Heaps of these country families used to and probably still do have property in and around Claremont! Their kids also board at many of the private schools including Iona!the Schools mingle regularly especially boarders!! So they get to know the boy boarders as well!
Anyhow ,say they know each other from private school days and chance catchup at OBH or CONTI,
With SS saw him earlier at OBH knew him at school he drives by offers lift would seem pretty legit!!!
Then JR. same scenario but tells her he needs to drop his girl/boy friend/s home then his free to hook up!!
With CR ran into him at Conti or club bay spew and same drive by!!
Re dump sites South and North 5 months apart could be different shearing contracts or the like drop of on the way out of Perth!.?

And there is no Wood st in Cottesloe it's in Swanbourne and always been residential, however Forrest st in Cottesloe does exist and an upholsterer used to be there!!(woods for the Forrest ???")

It's still there Fishy Fish!

oldsod, Mar 21, 2015

oldsod said:

This off Missing and Murdered WA -

Anonymous
November 29, 2014 at 10:00 PM
I was approached by a wa detective on the 22nd of nov,14 , in act. They came to my house and said they're investigating a cold murder case.I was really shocked and still am.because I don't have a criminal record and to top it all off the crime was committed in 1979, when I was13 years old.and lived in qld back then.I have never been to wa.he took a dna sample from my mouth as well.so I must be a really young murderer.can someone please shed some light on this harrasment by the police!

November 29, 2014 at 11:50 PM

Do you have a relative that was in WA at the time of the murder? The police may be using DNA to identify a family then track back to the suspect.


Anonymous
December 4, 2014 at 1:14 AM

Not that I know of.I have an older cousin, he might have visited wa then.he would have been 19,20 at the time of the crime

Interesting find oldsod. Here's the source http://missingandmurderedaustralia.blogspot.com.au/1979/12/kerryn-tate.html Poor person left shaken and full of questions. The police obviously didn't explain familial DNA testing to them and what they wanted the sample for. Protocol would dictate this as the relative may tip off the suspect.
It would seem the police must have a DNA sample of sorts. Yes if focuses on the Y chromosome as you said billy. It's controversial and has it limits. Not a lot of time to post but here's some interesting reading for those inclined:
"In situations where an unknown sample exists but a search of an existing DNA database returns no exact matches, it is possible to conduct a search to identify potential relatives of the alleged perpetrator. This process is called familial DNA testing. The actual process is a low-stringency search, which produces inexact matches. The search is based on the idea that those closely related to each other share more genetic data than those not closely related."
https://ncforensics.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/familial-dna-testing/


http://blog.eogn.com/2015/03/10/the-limitations-of-familial-dna-searching/
http://www.theneworleansadvocate.com/news/11707192-123/new-orleans-filmmaker-cleared-in

Calendular, Mar 21, 2015

excaliburx said: 

Ma Belle a bit younger. And spent some time based in Bondi on her east counts jaunts. Nice tats.

Ex seems to have lost his/her ability to edit posts - didn't even get a chance to correct spelling in his/her last above, which clearly should have been 'east coast jaunts'.
Certainly got some contacts Ex! "Bondi" "Nice tats" or are you leading us on?
If you come back and post, you'll have to be a man/woman of your word. Hopefully you won't.

Calendular, Mar 21, 2015

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I am Jack said:

I agree. From the time SS called a taxi to the time she was passed by witnesses is 2-3 minutes. If CSK banked on getting out and abducting her - he'd be banking on too many variables IMO, it would extremely risky. Going off the stories in this thread, I don't think these girls were forced.
Glennon was seen talking to a car by witnesses, then disappeared. That didn't sound like she was forced. And of all of them, If Rimmer was forced, she was outside a nightclub? I think someone would've heard her scream. I don't buy the latest story.
But I am glad they are looking into other crimes, because surely the CSK built up to this. IMO there would be a trial of crime leading up to it.
These investigators seem to of overlooked a lot. There must be a lot we don't know if they think it is brazen and the victims were forced.

Yeah. The 2-3 minutes is actually from the phone call to the time the taxi arrived. It was only in Eric St Cottesloe, very short distance away. So the witnesses passed her after she'd crossed the road, which leaves an even smaller window for the CSK to act. Maybe 2 mins?

Another variable to consider is if the CSK was in fact watching SS talking at the phonebox and then walking back across the road..

Then how did CSK know that a taxi was called? What if she had called her parents/sister and they had arrived 2-3 minutes later? Absolutely no chance they would drive off without looking for her. Police would have been notified almost immediately that she was missing if she was not there and ready to be picked up. Like you said, extremely risky. Especially if it was the car that came up behind the three men at the lights and was a single person. This would involve stopping the car, running out and then forcing someone into a car. 

If this blitz attack also occurred with JR then she must have obviously walked away from the nightclub. But why? She was front of the queue at the taxi rank.

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billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015

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How,s this from Missing Murdered????
AnonymousNovember 15, 2013 at 8:43 AM
was any of the victims the owner/s of black satin like material jacket, seiko watch, silver ring with rope pattern.

Fishyfish, Mar 21, 2015

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billywhizz said:

Spot on. IMO she either got in a taxi, or she knew CSK.
I'm not buying this new narrative being churned out in the past couple of days.

I am Jack, Mar 21, 2015

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PenfoldsFan, Shadowboxer70 and 88mph like this

thanks Oldsod just can,t see them!!!

Fishyfish, Mar 21, 2015

I am Jack said:

Spot on. IMO she either got in a taxi, or she knew CSK.
I'm not buying this new narrative being churned out in the past couple of days.

Yeah.

Honestly can't believe other attempted abductions/similar crimes connections were not focused on in detail until three years ago, people have spoken about it on the internet since at least 2006.
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billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015

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Fishyfish said: 

thanks Oldsod just can,t see them!!!

They are on page 109. If you still can't see them go to your profile and click on "postings" tab.

billywhizz, Mar 21, 201

It is odd that they can now all of a sudden narrow it down to a blitz attack and they are certain it is the same person.
This either means the remaining POI's have no connection to any of the girls, or they have one main suspect and they have some idea of his behavioral patterns and know for a fact the girls would not have got in a car with him.
UNLESS..

http://www.serialkey.com.au/serial-...-women-the-hunt-for-a-serial-killer-part-one/
Two months later, on 3 August, Jane's body was found alongside a dirt track beside a riding school at Wellard, 35 kilometres south of Perth. The body had decomposed, but The Age understands there were no gunshot or knife wounds and she may have been strangled. 

Her watch was found, giving police clues about which they refused to talk. But there is evidence Ms Rimmer was killed and dumped within hours of her abduction. The fact this happened in such a short time could indicate the murderer is in the early stages of a killing spree and is not yet confident enough to hold victims captive for long periods. 

Her watch was broken in the attack and it was within a certain amount of minutes of her standing outside the Claremont?

billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015

billywhizz said:

Yeah. The 2-3 minutes is actually from the phone call to the time the taxi arrived. It was only in Eric St Cottesloe, very short distance away. So the witnesses passed her after she'd crossed the road, which leaves an even smaller window for the CSK to act. Maybe 2 mins?
Another variable to consider is if the CSK was in fact watching SS talking at the phonebox and then walking back across the road..
Then how did CSK know that a taxi was called? What if she had called her parents/sister and they had arrived 2-3 minutes later? Absolutely no chance they would drive off without looking for her. Police would have been notified almost immediately that she was missing if she was not there and ready to be picked up. Like you said, extremely risky. Especially if it was the car that came up behind the three men at the lights and was a single person. This would involve stopping the car, running out and then forcing someone into a car. 
If this blitz attack also occurred with JR then she must have obviously walked away from the nightclub. But why? She was front of the queue at the taxi rank.

2 minutes is enough time i recon its risky but stil possible ,u can cook noodles in two minutes

serious3, Mar 21, 2015

But if he's all of a sudden rocked up in a car how does he know there is no one else walking down the street/about to walk around the corner etc.
He must have been staking them out.
But this contradicts with the occupants of the two vehicles that never came forward.
And if it's the two vehicles and they didn't get in voluntarily then this contradicts the profile of the CSK they were working off for the last 16 years. He was just lucky. No matter how much you've planned or how methodical you are, nothing can allow you to know whether a car/person is about to come around the corner while you're outside of your vehicle attacking someone.

Last edited: Mar 21, 2015 billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015 #2750Reply Shadowboxer70 and 88mph like this

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/claremont-serial-killings.985161/page-111

billywhizz said

It is odd that they can now all of a sudden narrow it down to a blitz attack and they are certain it is the same person.

This either means the remaining POI's have no connection to any of the girls, or they have one main suspect and they have some idea of his behavioral patterns and know for a fact the girls would not have got in a car with him.

UNLESS..

http://www.serialkey.com.au/serial-...-women-the-hunt-for-a-serial-killer-part-one/
Two months later, on 3 August, Jane's body was found alongside a dirt track beside a riding school at Wellard, 35 kilometres south of Perth. The body had decomposed, but The Age understands there were no gunshot or knife wounds and she may have been strangled. 

Her watch was found, giving police clues about which they refused to talk. But there is evidence Ms Rimmer was killed and dumped within hours of her abduction. The fact this happened in such a short time could indicate the murderer is in the early stages of a killing spree and is not yet confident enough to hold victims captive for long periods. 



Her watch was broken in the attack and it was within a certain amount of minutes of her standing outside the Claremont?

very good question billy serious3, Mar 21, 2015

Anonymous said:
Why Crimestoppers not interested in any info about possible suspects... 30's, lives with parents who own car detailing business, CB radio in bedroom, was a bouncer, live work in area etc. Not even interested in ruling him out! He knew what only the killer or mate of would have known.
June 17, 2014 at 10:13 PM

billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015 billywhizz said:

But if he's all of a sudden rocked up in a car how does he know there is no one else walking down the street/about to walk around the corner etc.
He must have been staking them out.
But this contradicts with the occupants of the two vehicles that never came forward.
And if it's the two vehicles and they didn't get in voluntarily then this contradicts the profile of the CSK they were working off for the last 16 years. He was just lucky. No planning can allow you to know whether a car/person is about to come around the corner while you're outside of your vehicle attacking someone.

staked them out then took a massive risk ,wasnt the kind to be worried of being caught adds to the thrill he gets

serious3, Mar 21, 2015

billywhizz said: 

But if he's all of a sudden rocked up in a car how does he know there is no one else walking down the street/about to walk around the corner etc.

He must have been staking them out.

But this contradicts with the occupants of the two vehicles that never came forward.

And if it's the two vehicles and they didn't get in voluntarily then this contradicts the profile of the CSK they were working off for the last 16 years. He was just lucky. No planning can allow you to know whether a car/person is about to come around the corner while you're outside of your vehicle attacking someone.

It doesn't make sense that he'd stake them out on foot. And it doesn't make sense he'd stake them out in a car - and risk being spotted doing so.
If he'd of staked them out, then I think he did so knowing them. I wish we had the full case in front of us with access to a data base.
This is frustrating now they've thrown us a bone.

I am Jack, Mar 21, 2015 serious3 said: 

staked them out then took a massive risk ,wasnt the kind to be worried of being caught adds to the thrill he gets

Also could have driven up and down prior to attack and decided it was quite enough now to stake out a victim makes sense really

serious3, Mar 21, 2015 serious3 said

staked them out then took a massive risk ,wasnt the kind to be worried of being caught adds to the thrill he gets

Nah, not buying that. Taken Rimmer without being noticed - in a busy place. Taken Spiers with a short time frame. Taken Glennon when witnesses spotted her around that time. He is either an extremely lucky opportunist - or a meticulous planner IMO.

I am Jack, Mar 21, 2015 #2756Reply Shadowboxer70 and excaliburx like this

I am Jack said

It doesn't make sense that he'd stake them out on foot. And it doesn't make sense he'd stake them out in a car - and risk being spotted doing so.
If he'd of staked them out, then I think he did so knowing them. I wish we had the full case in front of us with access to a data base.
This is frustrating now they've thrown us a bone.

It makes perfect sense that he staked them out minutes prior just long enough not to be seen bit like waiting for prey ,but not by foot in a car definitly gives him time to drive up quickly stop jump out nab them and take off quickly its the onky other theorie thats left then it has to be

serious3, Mar 21, 2015

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I am Jack said: 

Nah, not buying that. Taken Rimmer without being noticed - in a busy place. Taken Spiers with a short time frame. Taken Glennon when witnesses spotted her around that time. He is either an extremely lucky opportunist - or a meticulous planner IMO.

People get robbed in there own home whilst they are home all the time ,its a risk and yes u need luck on ur side but still plausable

serious3, Mar 21, 2015

serious3 said: 

People get robbed in there own home whilst they are home all the time ,its a risk and yes u need luck on ur side but still plausible.

Maticulas and luck roled into one i reckon

serious3, Mar 21, 2015 serious3 said:

It makes perfect sense that he staked them out minutes prior just long enough not to be seen bit like waiting for prey ,but not by foot in a car definitly gives him time to drive up quickly stop jump out nab them and take off quickly its the onky other theorie thats left then it has to be]

So he staked one out on Bayview Tce?
One out on Stirling Hwy? And one on Stirling Rd?
Two of these roads are mega busy. Each spot is an intersection as well. 4 possible ways that traffic could be coming from (three in case of Bayview Tce)
The method you wrote would also give the girls opportunity to scream.

billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015 #2760Reply I am Jack likes this

serious3 said: 

It makes perfect sense that he staked them out minutes prior just long enough not to be seen bit like waiting for prey ,but not by foot in a car definitly gives him time to drive up quickly stop jump out nab them and take off quickly its the onky other theorie thats left then it has to be.

Nah, unlikely IMO. It isn't the only theory that is left, there are numerous theories - and that doesn't fit the events IMO.
That scenario doesn't explain how Rimmer disappeared. Plus, if he stopped, got out the car, they'd run. The fact that could happen is a big variable for CSK, If he is a low impulse opportunistic type - then he would've continued his spree. The fact he stopped IMO suggests he is more cautious, careful and meticulous. I'm not buying this blitz attack bullsh*t being churned out. The most likely explanation for the recent divulgence of information regarding the CSK - is that they have nothing, and are trying to flush him out online.

 Last edited: Mar 22, 2015 I am Jack, Mar 21, 2015 #2761Reply

I am Jack said

Nah, unlikely IMO. It isn't the only theory that is left, there are numerous theories - and that doesn't fit the events IMO.
That scenario doesn't explain how Rimmer disappeared. Plus, if he stopped, got out the car, they'd run. The fact that could happen is a big variable for CSK, If he is a low impulse opportunistic type - then he would've continued his spree. The fact he stopped IMO suggests he is more cautious, careful and meticulous. I'm not buying this brazen attack bullsh*t being churned out. The most likely explanation for the recent divulgence of information regarding the CSK - is that they have nothing, and are trying to flush him out online.

Also, this method does not give 100% success rate.
The only person who has ever done it before (that I've heard of) is Dixie. But they eliminated him and there is no need for the DNA testing method they are using in order to see if it is him.

billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015

Calendular said:

Nah. They've already been mentioned elsewhere. And there's a million Michelles in the world.

Calendular said: ]

God yeah droc. I can't stand that either!

You definitely said 'groom' and there a HUGE difference. Groom is a subtle thing, happens over time and you don't quite know its happening. Can actually be quite traumatic when a person realises what it was all about, and that can be long after the person has gone from their life. Then you realise what the phrase 'mental and emotional landmine' means.

Toolong said:]

Not worried about WAPOL!
Bring on any charges you like! None of them will stick!

Toolong said:

LMAO!!!

88mph said: 

B

There are many questions we want Ex to answer but they won't.

Most suss person on here I reckon.

oldsod said

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're a dude 88mph!!!! Should have called you 200mph mate!

~Still laughin' at that!!!!~

Good to see 88 outing themselves at last - "so many questions we want Ex to answer.."

Toolong back as well - only three people here use that moronic expression LMAO!!! You, your new alias OldSod and Calendular.
Toolongs last post 12 March, OldSod joins on 15 March.
Calendular must have felt an idiot when that letter to TT was posted.

Keep trying to divert and keep laughing for now. You must find this all so amusing.

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Comment made by police in relation to the Post article -

WA Police wouldn’t respond to any of the points in the report, but issued a statement this afternoon.
“Police have always remained positive that the crimes will be solved,” it said. “The advent of new technology, investigative techniques and the potential for new evidence all enhance that possibility. 
Resolving all such matters for victims’ families is a priority for WA Police.”

If that is the official Police response...where did the Post get their information from for the article originally???

oldsod, Mar 21, 201 oldsod said

Comment made by police in relation to the Post article -

WA Police wouldn’t respond to any of the points in the report, but issued a statement this afternoon.

“Police have always remained positive that the crimes will be solved,” it said. “The advent of new technology, investigative techniques and the potential for new evidence all enhance that possibility. 
Resolving all such matters for victims’ families is a priority for WA Police.”


If that is the official Police response...where did the Post get their information from for the article originally???

They won't make a comment on the article to other papers.
But they gave the Post the information.
Yeah?

billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015

Dunno Billywhizz. Brett Christian is not exactly regarded as an ali by Macro.

oldsod, Mar 21, 2015

excaliburx said:

Toolong's account is cancelled. Where did they say 

"Not worried about WAPOL!
Bring on any charges you like! None of them will stick!"
in the thread?
I get no results for that exact text

billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015 #2767Reply excaliburx likes this

This sounds way too (police) orchestrated to me!

oldsod, Mar 21, 2015

billywhizz said

Toolong's account is cancelled. Where did they say

"Not worried about WAPOL!
Bring on any charges you like! None of them will stick!"


in the thread? I get no results for that exact text

Billy - 12 March post by Toolong as follows (click the link):

Toolong said: 

Not worried about WAPOL!
Bring on any charges you like! None of them will stick!

Wonder what that was all about?

excaliburx, Mar 21, 2015 #2769Reply billywhizz likes this

Then issue a statement saying
"Brett Christian is incorrect. We have no idea where he got that information."
Not hard. They put a call out for information/help with the crimes in 2008. If they are giving everyone the wrong info then that is just stupid and they will receive even more irrelevant leads.

billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015 billywhizz said

hen issue a statement saying

"Brett Christian is incorrect. We have no idea where he got that information."

Not hard.

They put a call out for information/help with the crimes in 2008. If they are giving everyone the wrong info then that is just stupid and they will receive even more irrelevant leads.

Agreed!!! So what would motivate Macro to release 'red herring' info???

oldsod, Mar 21, 2015 oldsod said

Agreed!!!
So what would motivate Macro to release 'red herring' info???

It's not Macro any more.
I would have though it perfectly obvious why they would release red herring info. The issue is whether or not it is a red herring.

billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015 #2772Reply ThePlanWas likes this

That does remain the question. It just seems to be such an about-face.
The taxi theory seems to hold far more weight!

oldsod, Mar 21, 2015 #2773Reply ThePlanWas and Shadowboxer70 like this

I know.
All that money spent DNA testing taxi driver.
But maybe that was the best way they could get a large enough sample set of DNA (to use in the future) without much outrage from civil liberties campaigners (I actually used this word, not the auto swear filter).
In this case taxi drivers would have been the most easily manipulated section of the population that would happily give DNA to solve this case. If CSK is a distant relative to any of them he will eventually be found.

 Last edited: Mar 21, 2015 billywhizz, Mar 21, 2015 #2774Reply ThePlanWas likes this.

billywhizz said

Yes. There have been recent arrests for other long standing crimes using their DNA database. For that reason, I myself have no argument with the gathering of samples. Some have suggested a compulsory sampling at birth but I can't see that getting across the line!

oldsod, Mar 21, 2015



 

Vital clues missed in hunt for Claremont serial killer

 

Sunday, January 01, 2017

The West Australian Newspapeer

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/vital-clues-missed-in-hunt-for-claremont-serial-killer-ng-b88342709z

The scene at the Continental Hotel in Claremont the Saturday night after Ciara Glennon went missing. Photo: Barry Baker, The West Australian.

The scene at the Continental Hotel in Claremont the Saturday night after Ciara Glennon went missing. Photo: Barry Baker, The West Australian.Picture: The West Australian

Detectives missed three early opportunities that could have led them to the Claremont serial killer in the 1990s, according to The Post newspaper.

The western suburbs paper, which has followed the case closely for 20 years, yesterday reported that the missed leads included clues left on the driver’s licence of a 17-year-old girl who was abducted and raped in 1995, a crime which police now believe was committed by the same offender.

They also included car upholstery samples recovered from the body of second murder victim Jane Rimmer sent to the wrong Chemistry Centre department in 1996 and lost, and a “critical item” overlooked from the body of third victim Ciara Glennon.

The 17-year-old was abducted from Rowe Park opposite the Claremont Showground subway in February 1995, and raped at Karrakatta Cemetery.

Post editor Bret Christian wrote that her attacker handled the victim’s driver’s licence, which was later found discarded by a young local girl.

He reported that detectives investigating the sex assault did not doorknock in the area. It was not until more than a year later when Macro task force investigators looking for the killer of Sarah Spiers and Ms Rimmer did, and obtained the licence.

The second reported missed opportunity was when car upholstery samples recovered from the body of Ms Rimmer were lost. They were found when the Chem Centre moved to Bentley in 2011. When tested, the samples revealed crucial clues.

The third reported missed opportunity was when a critical forensic item from the body of Ms Glennon, murdered in 1997, was overlooked. It was tested in Britain well after 2004 and revealed “the breakthrough clue”.

A WA Police spokeswoman said: “As this matter is now before the courts and there remains an ongoing investigation WA Police will not be making any further comment”.

Experts play down expectations in serial killer probe

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1239582.htm

PM - Tuesday, 9 November , 2004  18:30:48

Reporter: David Weber

MARK COLVIN: The panel of experts reviewing the case of a possible serial killer in Perth has warned that there may not be any breakthrough in the investigation.

Crime experts from the UK, the US, and interstate have come together to conduct a wide-ranging review of what's become known as the case of the "Claremont serial killer".

Three young women disappeared after going to nightspots in the Perth suburb of Claremont in 1996 and 1997. Two were found dead, the third's never been seen again.

No one's ever been charged, despite an eight-year investigation.

The experts appeared before the media today for the first time, and played down expectations.

As David Weber reports. 

DAVID WEBER: The panel has now started its review into the disappearance of Sarah Spiers and the murders of Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer.

Those on the panel can boast decades of experience in murder investigations around the world – forensic experts from the UK, a criminal profiler from the US and a detective from New South Wales.

Superintendent Paul Schramm is heading the inquiry. He led the investigation into the Snowtown murders. Superintendent Schramm says that sometimes a fresh pair of eyes is the greatest advantage.

PAUL SCHRAMM: None of us have any in-depth knowledge of it, and I think that's important, and that will unfold in a structured way over the next several weeks, and then we will set our own direction.

DAVID WEBER: Superintendent Schramm says the panel is not in Perth to correct the work of previous investigators or police. But he's also sought to lower expectations.

PAUL SCHRAMM: I think managing or being cognisant of expectations is a very important issue. As I said several times, we are under no misapprehension of the enormity of this task. Reviews in themselves don't necessarily mean that we will be successful. However, that's one of the exciting aspects of criminal investigation that you never know that the next caller that you go around may provide that breakthrough.

DAVID WEBER: Detective Inspector Russell Oxford is from the New South Wales Police Service. He's been a homicide investigator for 15 years. He's also worked with the FBI in the US.

He says dealing with expectations is one of the biggest challenges.

RUSSELL OXFORD: The perception that we're here to try and solve this, and on a personal point of view, that the challenge to us is the expectation of the family, is are we going to get closure – and we may not. That's certainly a challenge to us. First and foremost to me is the expectation that we're here, we're going to ride in on a white horse and then it's finished. And that's going to be difficult for us.

DAVID WEBER: David Barclay is the head of Physical Evidence at the National Crime and Operations Faculty in the UK. He'll work with forensic scientist Malcolm Boots from the same faculty. 

Mr Barclay says he's done more than two hundred reviews like this one and has a high success rate.

DAVID BARCLAY: We try and work together with physical evidence, pathology, finger marks – all as part of physical evidence, with psychological profilers and crime analysts. So that would be our normal pattern of working and we work to a senior investigator, and that's Paul in this case. 

So we're used to doing that and what we will be doing, Malcolm and myself, is going through every line of every report that's ever been written about this case to do with the physical evidence and then trying to set that in context with the lines of inquiry.

DAVID WEBER: Joel Kohout is from the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension in Minnesota. She's an expert in sexual homicide and in criminal profiling. Ms Kohout says she knows very little about the case.

JOEL KOHOUT: Initially I think that's a good way to look at it, to formulate some opinions. In this case, they've already been some profiles done, so I'll be looking at those to see what conclusions other people have come to. 

And I think it's important to point out that profiling is not an exact science. It's merely an investigative tool. Sometimes it's very useful, sometimes not so useful. I think we'll be proceeding more as an investigative body and that'll be one facet of this.

DAVID WEBER: While the review has been set down for four weeks, those on the panel can ask for more time if they think they need it.

MARK COLVIN: David Weber.


Claremont serial killer investigation ruined liveCls of persons of interest

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/claremont-serial-killer-investigation-ruined-lives-of-persons-of-interest/news-story/2ee1d8937ad7499c2ed91edb39af5a1a

DECEMBER 28, 2016

Claremont serial killer investigation ruined lives of persons of interest

THREE young blonde women mysteriously disappeared after leaving nightclubs around Perth and no one was charged over their deaths for two decades.

The cold case was known as the Claremont serial killings and over the past 20 years, police have been hunting the killer.

During the investigation, Western Australia Police gathered a list of persons of interest, and it seems like something from a game of Cluedo.

There were three main persons of interest — the former Claremont mayor, a taxi driver and a lonely junior public service officer. But even with DNA testing and lie detectors, police hit nothing but dead ends and none of the men were ever charged with an offence. Though an arrest has now been made in relation to the killings of two of the young women, the three men say being publicly linked to the case ruined their lives.

Police charged a man over the killings last week, a suspect who was not previously connected to the crimes. Bradley Robert Edwards, 48, was arrested in his home in Kewdale in Perth on December 23 and was charged with the murders of Jane Rimmer in June 1996 and Ciara Glennon in March 1997. Both were found dead after leaving nightclubs in the Claremont area. Edwards is also accused of abducting a 17-year-old girl in February 1995 as she walked through Rowe Park in Claremont, in Perth’s west, and indecently assaulting an 18-year-old woman during a break-in at a Huntingdale home in February 1988.

He was charged with two counts of wilful murder, two counts of deprivation of liberty, two counts of aggravated sexual penetration without consent, one count of breaking and entering, and one count of indecent assault.

An investigation into a third murder, that of Sarah Spiers, is ongoing and Edwards has not been charged in relation to her disappearance.

Jane Rimmer was killed in 1996


Ciara Glennon was killed in 1997.

The proprietor of The Post newspaper in Perth, Bret Christian, has been following the cold case for decades and has written a book on the deaths of Ms Rimmer and Ms Glennon.

He believed police spent too much time focusing on persons of interest who clearly could not have pulled off the murders.

One of the men that was under the police microscope was Lance Williams, a middle-aged WA junior public servant.

Mr Christian said he lived with his parents and was not in a relationship, and liked to drive around at night.

“He was one of the sad, lonely types,” Mr Christian told news.com.au.

Mr Williams was picked up by WA police in a sting operation, where female police officers would dress as party girls and wait to see if they would be offered a lift.

One night, in 1997, Mr Williams was stopped at traffic lights, and one of the undercover officers approached the window and asked him where the bus stop was.

“He told her ‘you’ll never get a bus this time of night’ and offered her a lift,” Mr Christian said.

“She was wired and Williams dropped her off three or four kilometres down the road and that was it, police thought ‘he’s the bloke picking girls up’ and they became more and more convinced he fit the profile of the killer, which turns out to be all complete bulls*** of course.”

Mr Christian said police kept a close eye on Mr Williams for two years, and was still interested in him for another 10 years after that.

“They never let up really, he was always on their radar,” Mr Christian said. “They just hounded him and ruined his life basically.

“Many senior officers were convinced they had the killer but this distracted them and stalled the investigation.”

True crime author and The Post newspaper proprietor Bret Christian.Source:News Corp Australia

Mr Williams was officially no longer a person of interest in 2008 but his mother said her son, 59, still suffered from anxiety brought on by the investigation and public scrutiny.

“He used to be in a terrible state. Even up to a few years ago he thought people were still following him around the place,” his mother told PerthNow.

She said their house was bugged, raided three times and their patio was dug up.

Mr Christian said police also turned their attention to two other men, the mayor and a taxi driver.

A complaint had been made by a passenger against taxi driver Steve Ross, which later turned out to be unjustified.

According to Mr Christian, Mr Ross was at his home with his former girlfriend, a Miss Australia runner-up, who was very ill in the 1990s.

“The cops went around because there’d been a complaint against him and they wanted to take him away but he said ‘you can’t, my girlfriend’s really sick, she might die’ but they took him to police headquarters and at that time his girlfriend died,” Mr Christian said.

“Then he started to get worried police were going to do him for the Claremont murders.”

Mr Ross went to see the then-mayor and president of the Council of Civil Liberties, Peter Weygers, who took on his case.

Taxi driver Steven Ross, who was a person of interest in the Claremont serial killings.

Taxi driver Steven Ross, who was a person of interest in the Claremont serial killings.Source:News Corp Australia

Mr Weygers, who was also a child psychologist, and Mr Ross became friends and Mr Weygers bought the taxi driver’s house.

Mr Christian said Mr Weygers owned about 20 houses and it wasn’t unusual.

Mr Weygers let Mr Ross stay on the property and Mr Christian said police started to believe a conspiracy theory in which the two men were working together to pull off the Claremont murders.

Mr Ross told Mr Weygers he had some information about Sarah Spiers, an 18-year-old who is believed to be the first victim connected to the Claremont killings.

Mr Christian said Mr Ross told Mr Weygers he picked up Ms Spiers and took her home the night before she disappeared.

“She got into a taxi with two strangers, one really drunk girl and a bloke, who hopped in at the last minute,” Mr Christian said.

“Ross was suspicious of this guy and wondered whether he came back the next night and did the same thing.

“He told Weygers he was going to tell the police but Weygers said Mr Ross would be blamed.”

But Mr Ross still went to the police and Mr Weygers set up an interview at his lawyer’s office.

“The next thing, the two of them were accused of murder,” Mr Christian said.

“Weygers was given a questionnaire and the first question was ‘did you murder Sarah Spiers?’.

“He’s a psychologist himself and the fact he refused to fill it in was leaked to the media and it ran all over the front page of the West Australian.

“Ross was accused by police of delivering girls for Weygers to murder, but that was impossible.”

In a statement from Mr Ross, seen by Mr Christian, the taxi driver encouraged police to look at the taxi company’s computer records, to show when he was getting fares and where the work was. Mr Christian said police then thought Mr Weygers knew where Mr Ross was dropping his passengers.

“They were the days before mobile phones, neither of them had one, it actually couldn’t have worked,” Mr Christian said.

Peter Weygers, the former mayor of Claremont.

Peter Weygers, the former mayor of Claremont.Source:News Limited

Police were given a false tip that Sarah Spiers’ body was buried behind the garage at his house.

Police later dug up the spot but found nothing but a chicken bone. Police deny they acted off that one tip and Mr Christian believes the woman who gave police the information may have had a grudge against Mr Weygers.

“Police seized Weygers off the street, took him to police headquarters and then drove him to his house in Claremont, an old home he inherited from his mum. Surprise, the world’s media was waiting for him and the police publicly searched his house, climbed on his roof, removed tiles and dug in the spot behind his garage,” Mr Christian said.

Mr Weygers then became known as the “million-dollar man” as he was no longer allowed to work as a psychologist with children. He was sidelined and stuck in an office with a computer and phone and wrote the odd report and occasionally reviewed psychology books for the education department.

“This is all because the effort focused on these people who were not remotely responsible,” Mr Christian said.

But Mr Christian commends the police for the recent arrest of Edwards.

“The police had a hard job, they never had anything like this before and it was really unprecedented,” he said.

“Full marks to them for keeping at it and finally getting an arrest.”

WA Police would not comment as the matter is before the courts.

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2. P11

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?284695-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-2/page11

Sutton said:08-07-2015 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Bartholemeus View Post

<modsnip> Even further, I wonder if they have keywords around sick fetishes to build a database of people who might commit extreme sexual crimes. I'd imagine a serial killer would start off entertaining his sexual desires on the internet and may not start with the knowledge how to use the dark web from the get go. You'd hope police have this capability.

<modsnip>

Good thought about searching for extremely sexually violent fantasies online, hope this is monitored.

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Sutton said:08-07-2015 12:31 AM

At one point in time a poster said he or she had seen a version of the CCTV recording that contained additional footage than the footage shown on CIA. Does anyone know if this available anywhere or if the details are posted on any forum? I am curious about the timestamps... I will post my "insight" but I want look at all info available first. 

P. S. Probably has been discussed many times, and dismissed for whatever reason, I just haven't seen it

Fence Sitter said:08-07-2015 06:16 AM

Something else that put judoman on top of my list was the criminal profile.
When the profiling was done the criminal was considered as smart, organised and controlled if i remember correctly. Along those lines anyway ill have to see if i can find it again. 
Martial arts is all about self discipline.
It was also stated that the criminal possibly had military training IIRC.
Will search later for links to that.

Sutton said:08-07-2015 07:41 AM

I have heard Julie Cutler's disappearance mentioned, but never seriously discussed as being related to the other three girls. Is this connection totally rejected by other posters? 

It's stated here that police told Backyard Briefing (a segment of ABC.net.au) that they believe Julie is connected (select Show Transcript):
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...202#transcript

Sutton said:08-07-2015 

ust saw some posts I missed near the end of thread one. They were in relation to the Sunday Evening program and the revelation that Con Bayens, the former head of the prostitution taskforce, stopped a man in an unmarked police car in Highgate. Apparently the man was not a police officer and had suspicious items in the boot of the vehicle. 
Con reported the Highgate man to the taskforce, but does not believe his report was given the proper consideration.
So they have to have this guy's name. Are they investigating further? This sounds like the best suspect yet!

Some of the information in the show can be found within this article: 
https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-nig...remont-killer/

I don't believe the show is available in the U.S.

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