ClaremontSerialKillings4



Evidence relating to Richard Edward Dorrough
That came out in the inquest of the murder/death/disappearance of Sarah-Lee Davy who disappeared, believed to have been murdered on around 3am on the 14th of January, 1997 in Broome, Western Australia.
Coroner's Inquest was heard before Coroner BP King on the 1st September, 2016

It is also noted that apparently Sara-Lee Davey had previously drunk at the Continental Hotel in Broome.

 Sarah Spiers could have previously to the Australia Day long weekend met Richard Edward Dorrough, dinking at the  Hotels in Cottesloe or Claremont.

Richard Edward Dorrough joined the Royal Australian Navy in Perth in May 1996 which is after the disappearance of Sarah Spiers on the 27th of January, 1996.
It is understood that Richard Edward Dorrough was still based in Perth in June/July, 1996 when Jane Rimmer was abducted and murdered from Claremont area.

Evidence from a Navy workmate at the Sara-Lee Davey coroner's inquiry in 2016 states that Richard Edward Dorrough joined the Royal Australian Navy after a broken relationship with a girlfriend who was pregnant and an alleged break in of a house in Cockatoo Island along with well established drug and alcohol issues and abuse. 



Dorrough looks like the Mystery Man in the Jane Rimmer video. Even his build and hair and apparent good looks in the Jane Rimmer video, look like Richard Edward Dorrough.
On the 14th of January, 1997 Richard Edward Dorrough was 19 years old. His date of birth is 27th March, 1977.
He was an able bodied Marine Technician but he had serious problems with alcohol and drugs. He became unreliable at work and thus required constant supervision while on duty.
He was declared immature and a compulsory liar.
Philip Edward Dorrough while in Darwin, after leaving Broome in January, 1997 was relived from sea duty due to his unfitness and was referred to a psychologist for assessment. Dorrough was diagnosed as having a serious psychological disorder and condition as well scored high on amorality. Dorrough was diagnosed as having an anti social attitude as well as an attitude to get around the law as well as being selfish, opportunistic and dishonest and considered everyone else he met was the same and used that belief and attitude to treat others he met in any way he wanted.
Dorrough has the profile and could have easily been in Perth on the dates Sarah, Jane and Ciara disappeared.
Also the apparent damages to the victims fits Dorrough's modus operandi.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?318778-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-6/page5

 

Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia #6. P.5

 

13-10-2015

 

Evidence relating to Richard Edward Dorrough

That came out in the inquest of the murder/death/disappearance of Sarah-Lee Davy who disappeared, believed to have been murdered on around 3am on the 14th of January, 1997 in Broome, Western Australia.

Coroner's Inquest was heard before Coroner BP King on the 1st September, 2016

It is also noted that apparently Sarah Spiers had previously drunk at the Continental Hotel in Broome. If that is the case, then Sarah Spiers could have previously to the Australia Day long weekend met Richard Edward Dorrough in Broome.

Richard Edward Dorrough looks like the Mystery Man in the Jane Rimmer video. Even his build and hair and apparent good looks in the Jane Rimmer video, look like Richard Edward Dorrough.

On the 14th of January, 1997 Richard Edward Dorrough was 19 years old. His date of birth is 27th March, 1977.
He was an able bodied Marine Technician but he had serious problems with alcohol and drugs. He became unreliable at work and thus required constant supervision while on duty.
He was declared immature and a compulsory liar.

Philip Edward Dorrough while in Darwin, after leaving Broome in January, 1997 was relived from sea duty due to his unfitness and was referred to a psychologist for assessment. Dorrough was diagnosed as having a serious psychological disorder and condition as well scored high on amorality. Dorrough was diagnosed as having an anti social attitude as well as an attitude to get around the law as well as being selfish, opportunistic and dishonest and considered everyone else he met was the same and used that belief and attitude to treat others he met in any way he wanted.

Dorrough has the profile and could have easily been in Perth on the date
s Sarah, Jane and Ciara disappeared.

Also the apparent damages to the victims fits Dorrough's modus operandi.



http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?318778-Australia-Claremont-Serial-Killer-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-6/page5

 

13-10-2016 elastic 

I think the only way WAPOL will ever repair their reputation is to actually solve this case, or atleast get it to the courts. The damage this case has done to WAPOL is on a level i dont think has ever been seen elsewhere. The whole operation just built a powerful image that the WA Police force is just a bunch of keystone cops, and this has stuck. They have a massive inability to solve major crime or major murder/missing person cases. The federal police dont seem too interested to get involved in any cases at a state level and there doesnt seem to be an avenue of accountability for any of these police forces which is sad for the victims and their families that they will never be able to confirm they got a fair honest hard working investigation into their loved ones death.

Two open cases come to light and they would probably be considered WA's two most high profile murder mysterys The CSK and Gerard Ross. Why these two are so secretive is a mystery. But usually it implies something went horribly wrong.
I also wonder if the DNA is contaminated like in the Steven Avery case and cant be compared legally. If the sample was tiny did it get damaged whilst trying to build a partial profile eg. Like in the Steven Avery trial?
Something went wrong and we need a department here that oversees and reviews cases that the police have had for over 10 years to ensure the handling of the case has been proper, or then gwts automatically handed to our federal police to take over and review. Or maybe a federal department reviews the handling of cases police are struggling to solve to ensure nothing untoward is happening. Its a shame but WA is so backward it would never happen.

 

13-10-2016Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by elastic 

They were not rare. I hung around claremont alot. I dont come from the area but used there pubs all the time. Steves in nedlands and also the conti etc. You claim is was a quite insular scene but to my group of friends we use to roll in frequently from outside the western suburbs.
I am a surfer. I Know alot of people with panel vans.. thats not to say they owned them at the time of karrakatta but i know of atleast 2 people who did and i have been in atleast one of the vehicles owned around the time of karrakatta. We use to take his car down the beach all the time. I use to swag it whilst he slept in the van when we camped down near busselton lates 80s early 90s. Anyways he is not a suspect. Or atleast not aware of being one.
The police were very vague asked where he was during the week karrakatta occured. He couldnt remember. They said it was an investigation into a cold case and they were taking all samples for a historical rape that occured. He gave up a sample and they left. No mention of CSK.
You often claim you know the area all too well. But i can assure you alot of what you say isnt entirely accurate eg. Only locals used claremont pubs. Well i was there too all throughout the 90s, my mates were there, and i live around 25km away.
I heard off an old friend i fell out with and just recently spoke to at a pub i was at near claremont ironically (cottosloe) that he too was interviewed but there was a year gap between the two. We had a laugh because i told him that my other mate got interviewed too. I dont speak with him but it was quite good to see him after a number of years unexpectedly.
I havent bothered to share because i dont post here anymore. This case is boring me now and i dont find it that facinating. It comes down to police incompetence and cases like that get a little disinteresting aftet a while. 
Im not here to argue. I didnt intend to make a habit of posting here because i am done with the whole CSK debacle.. the guy isnt even on the same league as a serial killer like the East Area Rapist so its lost alot of appeal.
This was purely to share. Take it as fact or fiction whether it helps or not. But to me it confirms the vehicle or atleast what the police think the vehicle is and i thought that would be good for this thread seeing i cant prove anything without revealing there actual identitys which i wont and even then it still not actual proof. It is facinating though.

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1. You're the person who claimed MLC guys were running a brothel in Claremont right? I rest my case as to who knows what when it comes to the western suburbs.
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13-10-2016 Nugget77 

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

1. You're the person who claimed MLC guys were running a brothel in Claremont right? I rest my case as to who knows what when it comes to the western suburbs.
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Methodist Ladies College?

 

13-10-216 Bartholemeus 

 Originally Posted by Nugget77 

Methodist Ladies College?

Yep. Not sure why I said guys. Should have been girls.

 

13-10-2161elastic 

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

1. You're the person who claimed MLC guys were running a brothel in Claremont right? I rest my case as to who knows what when it comes to the western suburbs.
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Haha umm no. I remember someone did post about a secret brothel run by some girls tho. unfortunately for you it was not me and anyone who can find the original post in thread 2 or 3 should be able to confirm that instantly. 

Please though rest your case.

 

13-10-2016 elastic 

Bart, the reality is you dont like me posting here because my theories fall more in line with what has been known in the media and these dont fall in line with what you think happened in this case. 

My first thoughts were that someone who was either a meth or speed addict waited in a dark spot with their car parked metres away in a secluded area and took the victims with a violent blitz attack, more than likely knocking the victim out using either strangulation or violent blunt force trauma from behind before tieing them up with washing line and throwing them into the back seat of the commodore and driving them to their kill spot and raping them, then killing them (because of the karrakatta witness being alive after being 'left for dead') and then dumpiing them where the victims were found weeks later. Whether one victim got in voluntarily i cannot rule out. But the victims were obviously blitz attacked before being abducted in a similar way to karrakatta, just in another car most likely than the panel van. Even the victim seen talking to the commodore was more than likely blitzed further down the road after the driver probably sussed her out.

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13-10-2016 alwaysquestion 

Coroner's Inquest report re disappeasrance of Sara Lee Davey contains very interesting info on Richard Dorrough. have a read. will be interested to see if people consider he may be the CSK. VERY INTERESTING PSYCH PROFILE and BACKGROUND OF DORROUGH INCLUDED. Sara had also been drinking at a hotel called The Continental in Broome.http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_...(Sara-Lee).pdf

 

13-10-2016 CSK? 

Quote Originally Posted by alwaysquestion View Post

Coroner's Inquest report re disappeasrance of Sara Lee Davey contains very interesting info on Richard Dorrough. have a read. will be interested to see if people consider he may be the CSK. VERY INTERESTING PSYCH PROFILE and BACKGROUND OF DORROUGH INCLUDED. Sara had also been drinking at a hotel called The Continental in Broome.http://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_...(Sara-Lee).pdf

 

Interesting read, thanks for the link, I believe papertrail had done some research to eliminate Richard Dorrough from being in and around perth at the time of the murders however, the way that woman was killed in Sydney would be strikingly similar to the CSK victims if in fact they did have neck wounds. not to mention mystery man certainly looked like a young Dorrough in appearance from what could be seen of the b/w image.
Is there anyway of finding the dates HMS Geelong was docked in or around Perth to see if these would coincide with the CSK abduction?
On the other hand though, if the Karrakatta rape is in fact linked then that would cut down the probability of Dorrough as he would have been around 15/16 at the time, I know there are plenty of young rapists but it makes it even more unlikely. 
Dorrough struggling to come to terms with the fact he killed 3 women after violent murders is a perfect example of what peterK was talking about in regards to why the CSK may have stopped though. I guess even violent psychopaths can have a concious.

 

13-10-2016 JWSleuth 

He fits perfectly and the profile looks like mystery man could karacutta explain why the victim survived? Not sure on the finer details of that to all the experts out there. They do have the Dna though so surely if rules him out.

 

13-10-2016  Bartholemeus 

 

Quote Originally Posted by elastic View Post

You often claim you know the area all too well. But i can assure you alot of what you say isnt entirely accurate eg. Only locals used claremont pubs. Well i was there too all throughout the 90s, my mates were there, and i live around 25km away.

 

There's only two of them - Conti and Club. They had a specific clientelle back then which would still exist today, although not to the same extent. It was the place to be seen and would be full of local ex-private school people. To suggest anyone and everyone was going there from all over Perth is laughable. This is not an area like Northbridge or Freo where there's a heap of pubs/clubs within walking distance. It's also not an area surrounded by a heap of different social demographics. It's not convenient to travel either. There's one pub there that closes at 12 and many of them then move onto CBV. With a specific crowd who at the time all wore the same sort of clothes. It's not like Steve's or the Swannie where most people fit in and feel comfortable. I grew up there but you seem to think you know better.

 

13-10-2016 Bartholemeus 

Quote Originally Posted by elastic View Post

Bart, the reality is you dont like me posting here because my theories fall more in line with what has been known in the media and these dont fall in line with what you think happened in this case. 

My first thoughts were that someone who was either a meth or speed addict waited in a dark spot with their car parked metres away in a secluded area and took the victims with a violent blitz attack, more than likely knocking the victim out using either strangulation or violent blunt force trauma from behind before tieing them up with washing line and throwing them into the back seat of the commodore and driving them to their kill spot and raping them, then killing them (because of the karrakatta witness being alive after being 'left for dead') and then dumpiing them where the victims were found weeks later. Whether one victim got in voluntarily i cannot rule out. But the victims were obviously blitz attacked before being abducted in a similar way to karrakatta, just in another car most likely than the panel van. Even the victim seen talking to the commodore was more than likely blitzed further down the road after the driver probably sussed her out.

 

I don't have a problem with you posting here. I don't have a problem with your theories (unless the MLC is yours which I've been unable to check so far because the search engine on this platform is poor). As for your theories aligning with the media (it's one guy rather than the media by and large), I've never seen one that assumes the CSK was a speed addict, strangulation, blunt force trauma, or that they were tied up, or anything recent that assumes a panel van was used.
As for your panel van DNA testing story, I'm not definitely discounting it but you have to admit there are some serious flaws in it. Perhaps you can explain why you have only now decided to bring this to the table? It's not as if it hasn't been talked about.

 

 

 

13-10-2016 crabstick 

I know several people that were in the pub, interviewed by police. They were not from 'the area' wearing specific clothes.

 Originally Posted by Bartholemeus 

There's only two of them - Conti and Club. They had a specific clientelle back then which would still exist today, although not to the same extent. It was the place to be seen and would be full of local ex-private school people. To suggest anyone and everyone was going there from all over Perth is laughable. This is not an area like Northbridge or Freo where there's a heap of pubs/clubs within walking distance. It's also not an area surrounded by a heap of different social demographics. It's not convenient to travel either. There's one pub there that closes at 12 and many of them then move onto CBV. With a specific crowd who at the time all wore the same sort of clothes. It's not like Steve's or the Swannie where most people fit in and feel comfortable. I grew up there but you seem to think you know better.

I think they left them to be discovered in positions that in the event of discovery police could connect the dots so to speak by the very fact that the bodies intersect the Claremont hotel. 
Speaking to several people of reputable source, whoever it was, had been playing a game with police. That cocky Im smarter than police game someone made note of, a couple of threads back. It is said police have more than a few clues the crimes are connected.

Interestingly enough, Cutler body is not found, Sarahs body not found, then all of a sudden the bodies start appearing out in the open roadside. Had someone gained confidence enough to think he was infallible?
Im hoping the dump sites relate to something. That remains of Sarah, and Julie for that matter are recovered in some form, if not just for the relatives. Police have a lot of information recovered from the sites they have not realised. Some it I dare say to make sure they have the right person, and not some wannabe, which does happen apparently.
It was a game with police apparently, and that game has 'stopped'. Site attributes connected the crimes. What does that say?

 Originally Posted by Psi 

If the offender is remorseful after the crime, then perhaps he wants the girls returned to their family. It doesn't look like he went to much effort to hide the girls, more like was trying to conceal his activity at the site (in case someone drives past). Perhaps something was left at the site to indicate his regret? Maybe the straight line is a clue to Sarah's location without putting himself at risk of detection. Perhaps he is surprised that she hasn't been located.

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13-10-2016 crabstick 

Im just amazed at the people who claimed to have 'lived in the area' have little to no information. 
I didn't live in the area and without bringing the topic up, people gave me more info than has been gleaned in this thread. Most the info I take with a grain of salt, but when it is second hand, some first hand info from upper echelon police, it holds some weight. Certainly way more detail than reported here, and newspapers for that matter.
I dare say journalists know a truck load more than they have reported.

Ill have to check, but scanning through the pages, users mention how the killer had felt remorse for the victims? Where did that come from? Fabricated romance?

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13-10-2016 Bartholemeus 

Quote Originally Posted by crabstick View Post

Im just amazed at the people who claimed to have 'lived in the area' have little to no information.

Can you provide some specific examples?

13-10-2016 MyLeftFoot 

I found this to be an exceptionally good read, I hope others do too!

The Psychology of Serial Killer Investigations: The Grisly Business Unit

https://books.google.com.au/books?id...uCP4Q6AEIMjAE#





Former Australian Navy mechanic Richard Dorrough confesses to three murders before death
 
KATE CAMPBELL, PerthNow - October 10, 2015


http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/former-australian-navy-mechanic-richard-dorrough-confesses-to-three-murders-before-death/news-story/5db2ff7d9fb88ad450c7711d90050452

Former Australian Navy mechanic Richard Dorrough confesses to three murders before death  KATE CAMPBELL, PerthNow - October 10, 2015
THE former head of the WA Police homicide squad which investigated a navy sailor – now linked to three killings – has admitted his “strong suspicions”.

Former detective Paul Ferguson, whose team investigated the disappearance of a Broome woman 20 years ago, said there was insufficient evidence to prosecute Richard Edward Dorrough. Explosive allegations have now emerged that Dorrough, 37, confessed in a suicide note to killing three unnamed people, believed to be 21-year-old Broome woman Sara-Lee Davey, an unknown victim, and Sydney prostitute Rachael Campbell, 29 – the murder case Dorrough stood trial over but was acquitted.

Dorrough, originally from Queensland, killed himself at Belmont’s Lone Ranges Shooting Gallery in August last year. Ms Davey disappeared on January 14, 1997 after it’s believed she met Dorrough, a navy mechanic on shore leave from the HMAS Geelong, at a Broome night spot. Mr Ferguson yesterday stood by his homicide squad’s “thorough” investigation. State Crime Assistant Commissioner Michelle Fyfe said the investigation was “in line with policy and practice for 1997” and was directed by four witness statements from people known to Ms Davey and her family claiming they saw her after January 14.

Mr Ferguson sent two detectives to Darwin to interview Dorrough a few months later, but couldn’t strengthen their case against him.

“We were relatively confident that he was the killer, but you don’t convict people on gut feelings, you convict them on evidence,” he said.

“In that particular case, there was no body, there was no admissions and you had not strangers, but members of (Ms Davey’s) family saying they’d seen her after the time of the incident. “I was satisfied with the calibre of the investigation and I’d be more than satisfied to go before the coroner and answer any questions relating to what was done and why it was done at that particular point in time.” A coronial inquest into Ms Davey’s disappearance will be held in Broome in April next year. WA Police have reviewed all cold cases and continue to work with other jurisdictions cross-matching Dorrough’s known whereabouts with unsolved crime files. “We are unable to find any link with any unsolved serious crimes that we’re aware of,” Ms Fyfe said, adding any connection with the Claremont serial killer case had been ruled out as Dorrough was not living in Perth at the time. “There are members of the public who knew Mr Dorrough, who associated with him or who may very well recognise him. They may hold the key to us solving an unsolved crime.” Dorrough’s criminal history includes being charged with attempted murder after he deliberately ran down a pedestrian in Queensland in 2000. He was convicted of a lesser charge and sentenced to five years, serving just a year. NSW Police yesterday said its unsolved homicide team would “continue to review new evidentiary information”.

 


 Sarah Spiers disappeared about 2am on 27th January 1996, the Australia Day weekend

It is also noted that apparently  Richard Edward Dorrough
had previously drunk at the Continental Hotel in Broome.
 If that is the case, then Sarah Spiers could have previously to the Australia Day long weekend on the 26/27th January, 1996 
met Richard Edward Dorrough on one of the hotels in Cottesloe or Claremont.

Richard Edward Dorrough joined the Australian Navy in Perth, Western Australian in May, 1996 after a failed relationship with a girl whom be made pregnant. 

 There is a witness that has  
stated that other powerful well connected people were involved with the actual person that lured Sarah Spiers from the Continental Hotel in Bayview Terrace, Claremont, or near the continental Hotel into a car .... which ended up with the complete disappearance of Sarah Spiers .....
former Western Australian Assistant Police Commissioner, David Caporn, should be put under a lie detector test to see if he was serious about tying to find all those involved with the disappearance of Sarah Spiers, and the disappearance and murder of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.

 The question is...
 was former Western Australian Assistant Police Commissioner, David Caporn put in charge of the Macro Task Force to make sure Macro Task Force was looking at the whole people for 5 to 10 years, as the main people of interest, so that the massive and almost unlimited Macro Task Force resources were not used to be point in the right direction, which may ended up pointing to very powerful people on top of the food chain in Perth, and in particular, in the Claremont, Nedlands, Dalkeith, Peppermint Grove, Mosman Park and Cottesloe area... 


 The information the AWN.bz investigation team is heading in the direction, is that the person who was responsible for the murder of Mosman Park jeweller Pamela Lawrence, had high powered connections in the Western Australian Police Force, to make sure the David Caporn was appointed in charge of the Pamela Lawrence murder case and that the wrong person was set up and convicted of the murder of Pamela Lawrence, to keep the heat away from the real murderer on Pamela Lawrence.
Then that same person may well have then made sure that an honest and genuine police officer, Paul Ferguson, was  removed as head of the Macro Task Force and that David Caporn was put in charge of the Macro Task Force, so that again the guilty finger could be pointed or many years in the wrong people ... as a way 0f keeping the heat off the real person or people involved in the abduction of Sarah Spiers, and abduction and murder of Jenny Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.

Former Western Australian Assistant Police Commissioner, David Caporn, was also involved in the original in the original investigation of the Karrakatta Rape in 1995, and it seems that former Western Australian Assistant Police Commissioner did not try to find the real person or people involved in the Karrakatta Rape in 1995, and thus appeared to have protected the real people involved committed the Karrakatta Rape in 1995.Now the Western Australian Police  seem determined to claim and prove that who ever was involved in the Karrakatta Rape in 1995, was also involved in  abduction and murder of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.

While Richard Edward Dorrough was living in Osborne Park, Perth, Western Australia, Richard Edward Dorrough was charged in 2009 for the murder or girl in Sydney. As usual Richard Edward Dorrough was aquitted of ther murder of the Sydney girl. 





Ciara Glennon, Sarah Spiers and Jenny Glennon

https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/murder-victims-daughter-breaks-silence-on-mallard-injustice-ng-ya-197224

Murder victim's daughter breaks silence on Mallard injustice

ANGELA POWNALL

Sunday, September 26, 2010

The daughter of murdered Mosman Park jeweller Pamela Lawrence has spoken for the first time about her mother's death and the man wrongfully convicted of the crime.

Katie Kingdon told the ABC's Australian Story that police and prosecutors reassured her grieving family of their confidence that Andrew Mallard, whose conviction for murder was quashed by the High Court, was Mrs Lawrence's killer.

Mrs Kingdon said she and her family had still believed Mr Mallard was guilty of Mrs Lawrence's murder when he was released in 2006 after 12 years in jail and it did not occur to them that WA's justice system could fail so dismally.

"I have enormous regrets at how long it took me to realise that Andrew was innocent," she said. "I really want people to know that my family believe Andrew's innocent, 100 per cent, and we have nothing but regret for what he's been put through."

Mrs Kingdon said she was never angry towards Mr Mallard's family, but she could not understand his supporters' battle to see him exonerated.

"When there seemed to be this team around him of quite senior and important people working for his side, we were - we felt as though they were fighting to get Mum's killer out of jail," she said. "We felt as though no one cared what we'd been through and that he'd somehow convinced them of his innocence. At the time, it didn't occur to us that the justice system could have failed so dismally."

Mrs Lawrence was bludgeoned to death in her jewellery shop in 1994.

She was found by her husband Peter, who stopped his daughter from seeing the bloody horror of the attack.

"I couldn't see what was happening in there and (Dad) told me that Mum had been attacked," Mrs Kingdon said.

"Dad looked like he'd seen a ghost. He had no colour in him, but I still didn't think that it could be anywhere near as serious as it was."

Mrs Kingdon said police and prosecutors always made Mrs Lawrence's family feel "quite comfortable that they were doing everything they could to make sure Andrew stayed in jail".

A subsequent cold case review discovered a previously unidentified palm print left at the scene belonged to Simon Rochford, who was already behind bars for killing his girlfriend. Rochford committed suicide hours after learning he was a suspect in Mrs Lawrence's murder.

"I think I was just in shock. I just never expected this to happen. I really did have faith in the justice system until all this happened," Mrs Kingdon said.

Australian Story's two-part program The Wronged Man, will be broadcast on ABC1 tonight and next Monday at 8pm. The program also features interviews with Mr Mallard and two supporters who worked for his release, _The West Australian _journalist Colleen Egan and MP John Quigley.




He Who Waits  ABC Program Transcript: Monday, 9th February, 2004

http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2003/s1042100.htm#

CAROLINE JONES: Hello, I'm Caroline Jones. Tonight's story takes us inside Australia's longest-running and most expensive murder investigation. Eight years ago, three young women went missing from the wealthy Perth suburb of Claremont. Two of the girls were found murdered. The body of the third has never been discovered. Now some are suggesting that the subsequent disappearance of other young women from different areas of Perth could possibly be linked, an idea strongly rejected by the Claremont investigators. What's not in dispute is that the heartache and controversy surrounding the Claremont killings has not faded with time. Now pressure is building for a fresh approach.

ROBIN NAPPER – FORENSIC SCIENCE UNIT: People have to realise that serial killers don't walk around with horns sticking out of their head. They look like normal people. They look like your neighbour. But by night, that's when the really evil side comes out and they go off hunting and prowling for victims. And they simply just can't stop. They have to keep on and on. It's like food and water, to us.

So, there is this compulsion to kill and to keep on killing and to get better and better each time that they do it. They can't take victims unless they can actually get close to victims and be friendly and actually lure them into cars or take them away. So, the persona they will present to the world is one of a very friendly - maybe a little bit offbeat, maybe a little bit strange, but nevertheless a non-dangerous person.

BRET CHRISTIAN – EDITOR, POST NEWSPAPERS: Claremont was never looked on as a dangerous place. Claremont's a well-heeled area which has something of an entertainment centre. There's a nightclub and a hotel there. In the mid-1990s, three girls in a fairly short space of time went missing after visiting those nightspots.

Well, it totally traumatised our backyard. The girls had been there probably as kids shopping with their mothers, and then at night they would go there, you know, for fun, to have a few drinks, meet some friends, and suddenly it became a hellhole, somewhere where people disappeared from.

DON SPIERS: Sarah had been at Club Bayview in Claremont with friends of hers. When she left, her friends weren't ready to go, so she left early to make a phone call for a taxi. When the taxi-driver arrived she was not there. It was probably only three minutes after the appointment. Well, initially you like to presume that there's something minor wrong and that, you know, everything will work out - that maybe she's gone with friends somewhere and hasn't been able to return. But we knew that there was something serious wrong because Sarah just simply would not fail to communicate with us under any circumstances. You know, our love was so strong that she wouldn't do that to us, you know?

CAPTION: Sarah Spiers disappeared about 2am on 27th January 1996. She has never been found.

DON SPIEARS: People ask me, "How do you cope?" And you don't "cope" - you learn to preoccupy yourself. I mean, I keep myself so busy that my mind's occupied all the time. I only have to have two or three hours off and I start to, you know, become a bit depressed. My day starts at 5:00 in the morning and I very rarely knock off before 8:00 in the evening. I admit now - I've always sort of probably been accepted as a fairly...fairly strong and rugged sort of a character, but, um, you know, I confess I cried myself to sleep for over 12 months in the initial... in the initial journey. And, you know, I'm not ashamed. Not ashamed of that at all.

CAPTION: On 9th June 1996, four months after Sarah Spiers vanished, Jane Rimmer disappeared in similar circumstances. Believing there was a connection, the next day police set up the MACRO Task Force.

TREVOR RIMMER: The police came round and they told me that, um... .that they'd found Jane's body. And, um... .that was the... the end of the night. That just... Everything broke down. That was just so hard. Because at that time, I guess, we were still hoping against hope, in our hearts... .that she was still alive...even though we knew in our heads that the odds were very much against it.

JENNY RIMMER: You wonder when it happens, "Why was it my daughter that night?" I mean, which is not a very nice thing to say, but you naturally think that. And I think she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. You know, it could've been anyone. I just couldn't believe it.

CAPTION: Two months later, Jane Rimmer’s body was found.

POLICE RE-CREATION: On 14 March, just over a week ago, was a night just like this. Ciara Glennon left the hotel that's just behind me and hasn't been seen since. She's the third young woman that this has occurred to in 14 months in this area.

DENIS GLENNON – PRESS CONFERENCE: Only now do I even begin to understand, um, the terrible trauma that the parents of Jane and Sarah went through, and...and the degree of empathy that I have with them now is just enormous. No parent who loves their child, even a child of 28 like Ciara was, can even begin to comprehend the devastating thing that this is in any family.

CAPTION: Nine months later, in march 1997, a third girl, Ciara Glennon went missing from Claremont.

NEWS REPORT: We want to move quickly to see if we can get information while it is fresh in people's minds. 

NEWS GRAB: We certainly have fears that there is a serial killer at loose in Perth. 

NEWS REPORTER: Police are collecting body specimens from potential suspects. NEWS GRAB: It wasn't, like, a prostitute or anything - just a normal family girl. It's really quite terrifying.

DET. SGT PAUL COOMBES – MACRO TASK LEADER: The State of Western Australia, I believe, was in a state of shock upon the disappearance of Ciara Glennon. For three people to disappear from relatively safe streets without a trace was very disturbing.

The investigation has continued full-time for over seven years, and that in itself is very unique. It is the biggest ever in this State and in the history of WA policing, and possibly the largest investigation ever conducted in Australia.

DAVID CAPORN – HEAD MACRO TASK FORCE: I think one of the very tangible ways that this crime could be solved is in the tracing of the particularly significant items of jewellery that are missing in relation to this case.

DET. SGT LEE: What I'm showing you now is replicas of the clothing worn by all of the girls on the night of their disappearance, firstly starting with Sarah's clothing. And in particular we'd like to locate a key ring, a sunflower key ring. Um, most notable with Jane's clothing and property is the small bag. And with Ciara's clothing, the most notable is the small brooch.

DAVID CAPRON: Those are the sort of pieces of information that could assist the task force to resolve this matter.

NEWS REPORTER: Amid growing fears the killer would strike again soon, a breakthrough - MACRO Task Force detectives swooping on a suspect at 3 o'clock Sunday morning as he prowled around Claremont streets in his car.

BRET CHRISTIAN: There is a man that the police have been watching from very early on in the investigation, and he appears to be a prime suspect. Vast amounts of resources have gone into watching his every movement, to following him, to surveilling him in all sorts of different ways.

JENNY RIMMER: Well, the only thing I can say is that if he had nothing to do with it, I feel really sorry for him. If they're so confident, I can't understand why he hasn't been charged. There's obviously something lacking after, like, seven years. They still can't put their finger on it, so it's very hard to comprehend.

BRET CHRISTIAN: I think our community's been lulled into a false sense of security by the - sort of the sly nod and the wink that, "Look, we really know who's done this. We've been watching him. "And since we've been watching him there's been no other murders." That's actually wrong. There HAVE been other murders - just not any more in Claremont.

DAVID CAPORN: We can't eliminate the possibility that there is another crime that's been committed that's linked to the Claremont crime, but there is no indication of any significance that we have had a linked one since Ciara Glennon's disappearance and, ultimately, her murder. Certainly, there have been times when the media have led the community to believe that we're only interested in one person. I can assure you that we've looked far and wide, and that as every year goes by, several people are looked at very closely.

JENNY RIMMER: I don't think it'll be solved. I think too much time has gone past. They should have caught the person by now. We know there are other girls that have gone missing, and... .I mean, I haven't heard much about a lot of those other girls.

ROBIN NAPPER: You cannot divorce the three missing girls from Claremont with all the other missing people, because it's unsolved. He's still out there.

CAPTION: At 5pm on November 8 2000, Sarah McMahon left her workplace in Claremont. She said she was going to meet a friend. She vanished without a trace. Ten days later her car was found at the Swan District Hospital.

TRISH MCMAHON: The police said no, it had nothing to do with the Claremont girls missing. We just didn't have to even think about that. It was nothing to do with that at all. But they said because of the circumstances of Sarah's disappearance, that it was highly likely that Sarah had been murdered or that she was dead. I took it the only way I could - I don't believe it. I want facts.

I don't want to have to deal with what the police THINK. I want to be able to have tangible facts. People say, "Well, you know, it's been three years, you know. "You have to get on with your life." How can we? How can we? There are so many unanswered questions.

DON SPIERS: You know, people that perpetrate these sort of activities have no...no grasp of the torment and pain that they put families through. If they could just have a bit of an insight as to what they've done to numerous people... It's not just the families - like, the brothers, sisters and parents - but there's the uncles, the cousins, the aunties, the grandparents.

JENNY RIMMER: But it's also impacted on a lot of our friends and our relations. 
We pour three glasses of champagne and an extra one for Janie, and we drink ours and enjoy it, and then we pour hers on the plaque. My girlfriends and I do that quite often, actually, on her birthday - go down there with the Blush champagne, which was her favourite. 
We...that makes you feel really good. I think, anyway. Mmm.

DON SPIERS: Our situation's a little bit different to the Glennons' and the Rimmers', because their two girls have been found. We still haven't had either of the questions answered as to where Sarah is and what's actually happened to her. Another big problem that we've had has been clairvoyants. They have been a huge torment to myself and my family in giving cryptic clues as to where Sarah might be. I remember one night early days I was down Salter Point, you know, thrashing around the swampy areas down there at 11 o'clock at night. Um...probably walking around bawling my eyes out and getting nowhere. I mean, a lot of times I've known I shouldn't have listened, but I've always thought that maybe they're using that excuse of being a clairvoyant to give me some honest facts.

TRISH MCMAHON: I've been to Melbourne, put up posters in Melbourne. I've been to Sydney, going out with the soup van. My son's travelled up the coast putting up posters. We've done as much as we can. I don't know what else to do... ..you know? I haven't got the resources. I just haven't got the resources. I...I want to be out there now.

BRET CHRISTIAN: There are about 16 murders or disappearances of women since the late 1980s that remain unsolved in Perth. That's something that hasn't really registered in the public mind - that the 16 disappearances, or a large proportion of those, could be the work of one person. I think MACRO should live up to its name and go and look at the really big picture again and try and connect the dots.

ROBIN NAPPER: The UK police service learnt a very painful lesson in the 1970s with the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe. He was found almost by accident. Because of information overload, they'd been chasing other leads down the wrong path and they'd missed him, and lives could have been saved. As a result of that, one of the recommendations was the creation of the National Crime Faculty, who would do independent case reviews, so in the future when complex murder investigations occurred, an independent team would come in and look at the whole case independently to get another perspective on the investigation.

An independent case review will bring in experts from all the different fields - geographic profilers, forensic profilers, different pathologists, different investigators. And the host force gives them the material, then they literally stand back and leave them to it to do the whole review. This Claremont case has now remained unsolved for eight years, and in my view it's almost crying out for a full, comprehensive case review where we get experts from round the world, we look at world's best practice, and we adopt it to this case to try and solve it once and for all.

DAVID CAPORN: I don't know of any other investigation that has been audited and reviewed as much as the MACRO investigation. We have employed people in this State and also people in other parts of Australia with significant homicide investigation background, particularly in relation to serial crime, to conduct comprehensive reviews of the inquiry. Other things that we've done is to employ investigators within this State to review particular streams of evidence, so rather than give them the whole investigation review, we'll give them bite-sized pieces. We've also sent our case file to numerous experts throughout the world - United Kingdom, United States - allowing those people full access to our information to get opinions, views.

ROBIN NAPPER: It's how you look at the word "review". A complex investigation is like a huge jigsaw puzzle, and you cannot solve that by sending one piece of the jigsaw puzzle off to an expert overseas and asking him to tell you what the picture is. The whole point of an independent review is, you get everyone together at the same time and at the same place with the same material. That's the synergy that's solved some of the most complex murders since the Yorkshire Ripper case.

COMMANDER ANDY BAKER – HEAD HOMICIDE: Sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees. You're so close to it, you may have tunnel vision. So, you need someone to come in and say, "Step back." We have found it's been difficult for other offices, whether in the UK or across the world, to accept others coming in, but the parameters are that this is a search for truth every single time. It may hurt someone, but it's got to be a search for the truth, 'cause the truth will come out.

ROBIN NAPPER: There is so much help in there, like the National Crime Faculty in the UK, who are experts and skilled in these case reviews, who, without a doubt, would come and help in this case review.

DAVE BARCLAY: We're certainly supporting MACRO here at National Crime Faculty, but with some specific things that we have that other people don't, like the injuries database. It would be fair to say that we have not made an effective contribution to MACRO. I've had a go at it. A colleague of mine who's a specialist advisor has had a go too. We just don't have enough information at this distance.

PAUL COOMBES – MACRO TASK FORCE: I believe that the investigation team itself are still very well positioned to be able to resolve the matters. We're very confident in the advances in forensic technology, and that is one of the reasons why we have instigated a forensic review to go back to the beginning and look at what we do hold on this case. We believe that that may, with what we hold, open the case up to enable us to get to a stage where we can prosecute.

DAVE BARCLAY – NATIONAL CRIME FACULTY: Most opportunities arise from lack of thought, not lack of technology. When you look at it, it isn't DNA that solves these crimes. It's basic reassessment of the crime scene by somebody else. Helps a lot.

COMMANDER ANDY BAKER: I think if the Claremont case had been investigated in the UK, I'm not confident that it would've been detected in the UK, either. Now, from what we've seen of what's been done, it's been pretty good and pretty extensive. The thing that HASN'T been done, I think, is this giant workshop where we all get together.

The review system certainly has brought success around locking up the guilty. And more importantly, there's families that have had unanswered questions. At least we've answered some of those questions, and I've actually seen some families and communities, a weight removed from them. And as time goes on, they're a bit more at peace with what happened to their loved one.

DON SPIERS: The police that have been involved with us have been absolutely outstanding in the way that they've conducted themselves and gone out of their way to assist us. You know, even the guys that are still on the case today are always right behind us. I mean, there's no question that doesn't get answered. If I've got a problem, I tell them what it is and they make sure that I've got an answer. They're...they've been remarkable.

PAUL COOMBES: On a personal level, I suppose it is with you the whole time. I've got to know Don, in particular, fairly well and I do feel very close to him. At times it is very frustrating for me not being able to...talk to Don about where Sarah is. And we've spoken a number of times about that day, should and when we do locate Sarah - you know, how we would deal with it.

BRET CHRISTIAN: I think it's more like the Eric Cooke saga than people believe, and I think we'll find out one day that it very closely approximates that dreadful period of serial killings through the same residential area that happened in the 1960s. The women who were killed and injured by Eric Cooke - at the time that they happened, the police made public statements saying, "It's not the work of the same person." Later on, it was discovered that he was using all sorts of different methods of locating and murdering the women. He was running them down with cars, he was stabbing them, he was attacking them with axes and he was shooting people. So, there seems to be a Hollywood myth that serial killers use only one method, they operate in only one area, and that stamps them as that particular killer.

DAVID CAPORN: We can only do everything within our power to complete the investigation and hopefully have a successful resolution. It's not crystal ball stuff. It's not about a 1-hour television program where the crime occurs, you put your resources in and at the end of the show it's solved - it's just not as simple as that. But it's a matter of history that all over the world there will be crimes that are not resolved.

JENNY RIMMER: I don't feel revenge. I don't think that does any good. But I'd just like to know...you know, maybe how it all happened and who it was and...save some other poor young girl from going through the same thing.

DON SPIERS: There's probably not an hour of any day that passes that I don't think of Sarah. Until the day that she is found, there'll never be closure. No matter what the circumstances, I would like to have someone come forward. I don't want clairvoyants, but if there's someone out there that knows where our Sarah is, for them to come forward and tell me...somehow.

CAPTION: W.A. Police say there have been 10 independent reviews of ‘MACRO’, including one in the UK and four in the USA. Later this year after the current forensic review, police will ask overseas experts to conduct another comprehensive review.

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Former Macro Take Force Boss Paul Ferguson was in about 1997 removed by the the then Western Australian Police Commissioner Robert Falconer, who was the former head of the well known to be corrupt Victorian Drug Squad, from being the Macro Take Force Boss and replaced by Inspector David Caporn, who was later made Assistant Commissioner, until David Caporn had to resign from the Western Australian Police Force be cause of a ruling of the High Court of Australia that set aside the murder conviction of Andrew Mallard, because the High Court stated that the evidence that Inspector David Caporn
 put together to that was the basis of Andrew Mallard's murder conviction was false and manufactured evidence
                                        
   Former Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn, who had been named in Western Australian Parliament as being corrupt. and serious questions have been asked as to whether  former Assistant Commissioner,  David Caporn was seriously trying to catch and arrest the real Claremont Serial Killer or Killers.... 
......one would expect there to be more than one person involved in the 
Claremont Serial Killings....




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'Don't worry about it, we've got our man': Is this the moment police let the Claremont Killer

walk free because they were too focused on tying another man to the crime?

  • The Claremont Killer serial murders is a notorious Australian cold case
  • Three women were abducted in 1996 and 1997 from the Perth suburb
  • The cases were all strikingly similar, yet the killer has never been found
  • A former detective speaks out about a potential suspect who walked
  • Says investigators were fixed on one man, rejected all other possibilities
  • Con Bayens recalls a chilling incident which set off alarm bells
  • Case is Australia's longest running and most expensive investigation 

The Claremont killer, who abducted and murdered three young blonde women, was never captured and could still be walking the streets almost 20 years on – and it's suggested police may have let the culprit go.

Taskforce Macro have been investigaing the Perth serial murders in what has become Australia's longest running and most expensive active man hunt

The FBI, Nassar and a former Mossad agent have been called on to assist - yet the person or people responsible remain at large.

The bodies of Jane Rimmer, 23, and Ciara Glennon, 27, were found dumped in bushland in 1996 and 1997 respectively.

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Despite ongoing investigation Taskforce Macro the mass murderer who killed three women in affluent Perth suburb Claremont hasn't been found

Despite ongoing investigation Taskforce Macro the mass murderer who killed three women in affluent Perth suburb Claremont hasn't been found


Jane Rimmer's (left) body was found in 1996 two months after she disappared, Ciara Glennon's (right) was found just under three weeks after her 1997 disappearance



However, the body of the first victim, 18-year-old Sarah Spiers is yet to be found after she disappeared from a pub in the affluent Perth suburb of Claremont on Australia Day in 1996.

Police officers have now spoken out to allege the investigations were bungled, with potential suspects allowed to walk and key pieces of evidence disregarded.

A terrifying encounter with a sinister man in a car equipped with 'abduction tools' has been pinpointed as a potential moment the police allowed a prime suspect to walk away without inquiry, as they were too focused on a man they believed to be the killer.

'It seems to me the Macro taskforce was a situation where the cops really mucked up and now we've got a cover up. And that's the saddest part, that they've never said 'we made a mistake', said former West Australian officer Con Bayens.




Sarah Spiers and Jane Rimmer both disappeared after spending time at Bayview Terrace in Perth's Claremont (pictured). Ciara Glennon had been at another establishment in the precinct, just 200 metres away

The former head of WA's prostitution taskforce says police looking for the Claremont serial killer in the 1990s and 2000s were dismissive of a suspect because they were too focused on trying to tie another man to the crime.

In 2008 the man, public servant Lance Williams, was finally dismissed as a suspect after years of round-the-clock surveillance.

Mr Bayens fears investigators failed to adequately probe potential suspects he encountered while running his taskforce between July 2000 and August 2002.

One particularly harrowing night has 'haunted' him 'for years' and Mr Bayens is adamant the disturbing man he found was never properly investigated by the taskforce.

The former head of WA's prostitution taskforce Con Bayens believes the taskforce missed crucial opportunities to explore suspects - including a suspicious character he encountered in 2002

Mr Bayens recalls the chilling night he pulled over a man during an undercover operation in Highgate in 2002 - 11 kilometres away from Claremont.

The boot was lined with blue plastic and there was a pair of pliers and masking tape – disturbing equipment which he believed appeared to be for an abduction.

The driver was questioned but Mr Bayens does not know why he was cleared in inquiries by officers on Task Force Macro, which was set up to investigate the killings.

The boot was lined with blue plastic and there was a pair of pliers and masking tape – disturbing equipment which he believed appeared to be for an abduction

Mr Bayens said the head investigator into the killings had rejected his offer to pass on information from the undercover operation, which was uncovering people every night 'and every one of them had the potential to be the Claremont serial killer.'

However, his offer was rejected by the chief investigator, to his astonishment.

'He said, 'Don't worry about it, Con, we've got our man.' And those words will stick with me forever,' he said.

'That just hit about 10 on my weird s***-o-meter.'

WA Police insist they looked into the sinister man Mr Bayens encountered, but the former constable insists the enquiry never took place.


12 years after her disappearance, CCTV footage of Jane Rimmer outside Claremont's Continental Hotel was finally released. She ran into a man she seemed to recgonise just minutes before she disappeared

'What happened? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I'd love to see the proof,' he said.

Police still believe they will find the killer, who abducted and murdered the women after they partied at nightspots in the affluent suburb of Claremont.

The three disappearances were extremely similar – as former Ferguson puts it 'they each got into the wrong car and it cost them their lives.'

Investigators believe the women trusted the drivers of the vehicles so focussed their attention on taxi drivers –taking DNA samples from thousands of registered cab drivers in the city.

The three disappearances were extremely similar – as former Ferguson puts it 'they each got into the wrong car and it cost them their lives' (the taskforce pictured in the 1990s)

The three disappearances were extremely similar – as former Ferguson puts it 'they each got into the wrong car and it cost them their lives' (the taskforce pictured in the 1990s)

The women disappeared in 1996 and 1997 in the ritzy western Perth suburb, Claremont in an area that was a hub of activity.

Sarah Spiers was just 18 years old when she became the first victim in the Claremont serial murders.

She left a nightclub in Claremont, Club Bayview, on Australia Day 1996 and called for a cab from a payphone at 2.06. By the time the taxi arrived at 2.14am, she had disappeared. Her body has never been found.

On June 6 of that year childcare worker Jane Rimmer, 23, disappeared from the same Claremont pub – Club Bayview after declining a lift with friends.

Her body was found two months later August 3 in dense bushland south of Perth. She was found naked, partially decomposed and covered with leaves and twigs.

The third incident occurred early the following year on March 15, 1997. Ciara Glennon, a 27-year-old lawyer, disappeared from Claremont's Continental Hotel, just 200 metres from Club Bayview in the same party precinct.

She wandered out onto the Sterling Highway, potentially in search of a taxi. A witness told police they saw her talking to someone in a car. When the witness looked back a moment later, Ciara and the car were both gone.


Sarah Spiers was just 18 years old when she became the first victim in the Claremont serial murders

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the police wil never and have never admitted that they make mistakes thats the main reson ppl dont trust them anymore they seem to think their infalable

I thought it was just Victoria Police that were useless!!!

The Police are bungling idiots. No wonder the culprit has never been caught. Caper Cops, I'd call it.

I lived in that area during that time and the cops really did stuff this whole thing up BIG TIME.

Typical police

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